accounting for stock trades

[Derek Atkins]

The bug (IMHO) is that gnucash is not tying the purchases to the sales
in order to compute the gain/loss.  I'm not _AS_ convinced that the
gain/loss MUST imply a split to an income/expense account.

-derek

"Phillip Shelton" <shelton@usq.edu.au> writes:

> Is it a bug then that the gain is currently un-balanceable?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derek Atkins [mailto:warlord@MIT.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 9:45 AM
> To: Phillip Shelton
> Cc: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: accounting for stock trades
> 
> 
> There is a big difference between gaining income by increasing your
> money, and gaining income via an "income account".  Currently it is
> possible to "gain income" through stocks WITHOUT using an income
> account.
> 
> -derek
> 
> "Phillip Shelton" <shelton@usq.edu.au> writes:
> 
> > It may not be an expense. But I hope to gain "income" from that Delta or I would not be in the market for shares.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Derek Atkins [mailto:warlord@MIT.EDU]
> > Sent: Friday, 3 January 2003 7:07 AM
> > To: David Hampton
> > Cc: Ed Warnicke; gnucash-devel@gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: accounting for stock trades
> > 
> > 
> > David Hampton <hampton@employees.org> writes:
> > 
> > > The problem is that gnucash is creating/destroying money in stock
> > > accounts.  For example, I transfer $100 from income into a stock account
> > > and buy 10 shares of CSCO at $10 each.  The next day I sell those shares
> > > at $11, and transfer $110 out of the stock account to a cash account.  I
> > > have a net $10 gain, but that gain is not posted to an income account
> > > and cannot be posted to an income account given the current state of
> > > gnucash. It has simply been created out of thin air.  Try this in a
> > > brand new account tree and you'll see that after two transactions, total
> > > income is $100 but total assets is $110.
> > 
> > Sure, but I could also buy $10 shares of CSCO at $10 each and then
> > sell them at 12EUR each..  So what?  Does that mean that every time we
> > have a multi-currency (or multi-commodity) transaction that we need to
> > supply an income/expense split as well?  That sounds rather, um,
> > unpleasant.
> > 
> > The gain/loss is due to the change in price (or change in exchange
> > rate) between the two commodities (in your example, USD and CSCO, in
> > my example USD, CSCO, and EUR).  Delta-Exchange-Rate is not an income
> > or an expense.
> > 
> > > David
> > 
> > -derek
> > 
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