2008-02-18 GnuCash IRC logs
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14:24:07 <Jannick> Hi, still having problems with the config.user in .gnucash. I am using GC v2.2.3 on WinXP. I tried the following in config.user:
14:24:09 <Jannick> (printf "Start config.user\n")
14:24:10 <Jannick> (define ibr-menu-created #f)
14:24:12 <Jannick> (load "C:\ibr-gnc-module.scm")
14:24:13 <Jannick> (printf "End config.user\n")
14:24:14 <Jannick> It should establish a new item in "tools". But it doesn't. I would like to try some command for line 2 and 3 such that something obvious should happen when GC is started in order to make sure that GC is aware of the config.user-file. Could you provide me with such an easy command, please? Or do you have some other suggestion?
14:24:59 <Jannick> My aim is to have a new entry in the tool menu. Maybe this can be easily realized by amending some file?
14:26:25 <jsled> I don't believe you can modify the tool menu from scheme, but I've not looked at that recently.
14:27:01 <jsled> Does printf even work in scheme like that? Do you see the messages on the console when you start?
14:27:10 <jsled> Do you see any error messages on the console when you start?
14:27:22 <jsled> What about if you run like `gnucash --logto stderr --log gnc.scm=debug` ?
14:27:33 <jsled> (you might need to modify gnucash.bat to pass the options)
14:28:45 <jsled> Instead of printf, you might try (gnc:debug ...) or (gnc:warn ...)
14:29:03 * jsled will be back in a bit.
14:36:05 <Jannick> jsled: I wasn't aware that there is a console. I will try to have a look at the .bat to see the console.
14:37:45 <jsled> There's not a gnucash-provided console ... just the command-line output as normal.
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14:54:25 <Jannick> jsled: Ok, everything is prompted to the command-line output. Here is what it says - sorry that it is a bit lengthy:
14:54:27 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>gnucash.bat
14:54:28 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>chcp 1252
14:54:30 <Jannick> Aktive Codepage: 1252.
14:54:31 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set PATH=C:\Programme\gnucash\bin;C:\Programme\gnucash\
14:54:33 <Jannick> lib;C:\Programme\gnucash\lib\gnucash;C:\Programme\gnucash\bin;C:\Programme\gnuca
14:54:35 <Jannick> sh\lib;C:\Programme\gnucash\lib\gnucash;C:\Programme\gnucash\bin;C:\Programme\gn
14:54:36 <Jannick> ucash\lib;C:\Programme\gnucash\lib\gnucash;C:\Programme\MiKTeX 2.7\miktex\bin;C:
14:54:37 <Jannick> \Programme\PC Connectivity Solution\;C:\Programme\Perl\bin;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C
14:54:39 <Jannick> :\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Programme\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Pan
14:54:40 <Jannick> el;C:\Programme\Intel\Wireless\Bin\;C:\Programme\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\B
14:54:42 <Jannick> inn\;C:\Programme\GNU\GnuPG;C:\Programme\GNU\gpgshell ;C:\Programme\Gemeinsame D
14:54:43 <Jannick> ateien\Teleca Shared;C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\user\.gnucash;;C:\PROGRA~1\GEMEIN~1\MUVEET~1\030625;C:\PROGRA~1\GEMEIN~1\MUVEET~1\030625;C:\PROGRA~1\GEMEIN~1\MUVEET~1\030625
14:54:45 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set GUILE_WARN_DEPRECATED=no
14:54:46 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set GNC_MODULE_PATH=C:\Programme\gnucash\lib\gnucash
14:54:48 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set GUILE_LOAD_PATH=C:\Programme\gnucash\share\gnucash\
14:54:50 <Jannick> guile-modules;C:\Programme\gnucash\share\gnucash\scm;C:\Programme\gnucash\share\
14:54:52 <Jannick> guile\1.6;C:\Programme\gnucash\share\gnucash\guile-modules;C:\Programme\gnucash\
14:54:54 <Jannick> share\gnucash\scm;C:\Programme\gnucash\share\guile\1.6;C:\Programme\gnucash\shar
14:54:56 <Jannick> e\gnucash\guile-modules;C:\Programme\gnucash\share\gnucash\scm;C:\Programme\gnuc
14:54:58 <Jannick> ash\share\guile\1.6;
14:55:00 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set LTDL_LIBRARY_PATH=C:\Programme\gnucash\lib
14:55:02 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set QOF_LIB_DIR=C:\Programme\gnucash\lib\gnucash
14:55:04 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set LANGUAGE=de_DE
14:55:06 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>set LANG=de_DE
14:55:08 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>start gnucash-bin
14:55:10 <Jannick> C:\Programme\gnucash\bin>
14:55:12 <Jannick> It seems to me that GC does NOT run through the config.user-file.
14:55:45 <jsled> Oh, please pastebin stuff like that.
14:56:35 <jsled> It is expected to run config.user. Why do you believe it does not?
14:56:56 <jsled> I don't quite understand the stuff you pasted. If you just run gnucash.bat, what's the output in the window?
14:57:20 <Jannick> Exactly what I posted.
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15:00:28 <jsled> did you modify the gnucash.bat to include the "--logto stderr" and other option?
15:00:44 <Jannick> Concerning pastebin: Does that mean that you would have liked me to make the command line output available for download? Sorry, but I am really new to all that.
15:00:48 <jsled> What happens when it gets to the start gnucash-bin part? Does the app come up? Or does it just exit immediately with no output.
15:01:04 <jsled> pastebin (like http://pastebin.ca/) is a service where you can dump text into it and get a url.
15:01:17 <jsled> Then you can just paste the url here, rather than flooding the channel with text.
15:01:46 <Jannick> Ok, I understand. Next time I will pastebin.
15:02:12 <Jannick> Now I am going to run GC with the settings in the .bat changed.
15:10:46 <Jannick> jsled: Result at http://pastebin.ca/908888 . Looks to me like nothing has been changed.
15:11:41 <jsled> Does the gnucash window come up at that point, or does anything happen, or?
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15:18:17 <Jannick> Sorry, I missed that. The GC window opens after some alert saying that the GC file was recently improperly closed such that there is no exclusive write permission (sorry for the translation from German, but I hope this alert is clear).
15:20:04 <jsled> no, that's fine.
15:20:53 <jsled> But there should be *some* output from gnucash. Maybe andi5 can comment on where the right place to add the command-line options is. Can you look for a file like gnucash.XXXXX.trace, where the 'XXXXXX' is a "random" string of letters and numbers.
15:20:59 <jsled> It should be in a temp directory.
15:21:16 <jsled> The "--logto stderr" is an attempt to have it print the trace/logging info to the terminal window, rather than the trace file.
15:21:36 <andi5> the latest pastebin looks great
15:21:47 <andi5> jsled: where do i need to start reading about this? :-)
15:21:55 <Jannick> Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I will go through my HD.
15:21:57 <jsled> andi5: oh, just above maybe an hour.
15:22:58 <andi5> Jannick: why that?
15:23:18 <jsled> (biab)
15:24:30 <Jannick> andi5: I am looking for the trace output. I am using GC v2.2.3/WinXP.
15:24:49 <andi5> Jannick: i suppose you know http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Error_messages ?
15:25:38 <andi5> C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen, in german ;-)
15:26:00 <Jannick> andi5: No, everything is quite new to me. Thanks for the translation.
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15:26:54 <Jannick> andi5: Basically I would like to extend the toolbox of GC as pointed out at http://www.ibrieger.de/misc/linux/gnucash/index.html (in German). It says that the file http://www.ibrieger.de/misc/linux/gnucash/config.user should be copied to the .gnucash-folder together with the scm in the archiv http://www.ibrieger.de/misc/linux/gnucash/ibr-gnc-module.scm.gz. Then it should look like in...
15:26:55 <Jannick> ...http://www.ibrieger.de/mis
15:27:12 <andi5> lemme see
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15:30:39 <andi5> i wonder why he used (build-path (getenv "HOME") ".gnucash/ibr-gnc-module.scm") instead of (build-path (getenv "HOME") ".gnucash" "ibr-gnc-module.scm") ... but well
15:33:43 <warlord> Who knows?
15:38:45 <andi5> Jannick: if you want to see gnucash out in your console window, check out http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Subsystems_and_exetype
15:38:58 <andi5> output instead of out, even
15:42:27 * jsled makes a mental note of that
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16:03:08 <Jannick> andi5: extype.pl is not properly running. syntax error in line 3. I will see what is in the gnucash.XXXX.trace files. Hope that helps ...
16:03:26 <andi5> huh?
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16:03:38 <foo> woohoo, gnucash 2.3 !
16:03:44 * foo ^5s all the devs
16:03:47 <andi5> did you execute in msys?
16:03:55 <Jannick> yes
16:03:57 * foo installs
16:04:06 <andi5> that is weird... really weird...
16:04:49 <Jannick> I tried to have python run it as well: same error alert. Really weird.
16:04:59 <andi5> Jannick: it is a perl script, not python
16:05:55 <Jannick> Yes, I found that out before I have installed MSYS.
16:05:58 <foo> If I was to make a .deb for gnucash 2.3, would you guys host/link to it?
16:06:11 <andi5> foo: there is no gnucash 2.3
16:06:21 <foo> uh.
16:06:23 <warlord> There is no 2.3, there is only zuel.
16:06:27 <foo> err, 2.2.3 :)
16:06:32 <foo> My bad
16:06:45 <andi5> what debian based distribution lacks such a deb?
16:07:12 <foo> Hm, not sure, but I'm building 2.2.3 from source right now... ubuntu 7.10 has 2.2-1
16:07:24 <foo> ~$ sudo apt-cache show gnucash|grep -i version
16:07:24 <foo> Version: 2.2.1-1ubuntu4
16:07:35 <Jannick> andi5: I said this only because there was the same error - MSYS and Python.
16:08:18 <andi5> Jannick: you say that you cannot start python from within msys? ... do you run cygwin as well?
16:09:15 <andi5> foo: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
16:09:28 <Jannick> No no: I wanted to say that starting exetype.pl with python or MSYS yields the same error. That's all. ;)
16:09:54 <andi5> Jannick: as i said... running python with the perl script is complete nonsense and will never work (hopefully) :-D
16:10:46 <andi5> Jannick: well, what perl do you use then?
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16:10:53 <Jannick> Well, I just wanted to say that the SAME error comes up. That's all. Sorry for the confusion.
16:11:27 <andi5> Jannick: *still confused* ok then :-)
16:12:30 <Jannick> andi5: Sorry again about that. But I would like to come back to the problem. Is is essential to check my perl version?
16:12:32 <litho> How am I able to use lowercase letters when changing the description field? I am able to do this with another account (checking) but not this imported cc account that had everything already in CAPS (via the bank export)
16:13:23 <warlord> litho, just type in lower-case.. it will autofill in caps, but if you type beyond (or differently from) the quickfill it will use whatever letter-case you type.
16:13:57 <andi5> Jannick: well, this is a pretty standard perl script, so i wonder that you see errors at all... what about "perl $FIRST_PATH\exetype.pl $SECOND_PATH\bin\gnucash-bin.exe console"?
16:14:17 <andi5> this should be executed in cmd.exe... maybe that helps
16:15:12 <litho> warlord, thx. the only problem now is that I have to have extra whitespace in order to differentiate it. ex: SPRINT becomes Sprint (with two whitespaces)
16:16:38 <litho> nvm, the workaround seems to be to add any diff. character and then backspace (although I believe I tried this in the windows version)
16:18:08 <Jannick> andi5: ok, still not working with the command line window. Here is what I did:
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16:18:38 <warlord> litho: yes, that is the woraround.
16:18:40 <warlord> workaround even
16:19:26 <litho> I have a lot of entries to do, this may take a while
16:20:01 <litho> ah well, that's what I get for deciding to do my finances with a couple years of data :P
16:20:10 <litho> thanks warlord
16:20:47 <Jannick> I copied the exetype.pl into the folder containing the gnucash-bin.exe, then I changed the directory in the cmd.exe to that folder and I run
16:20:49 <Jannick> exetype.pl gnucash-bin.exe console
16:21:37 <Jannick> Result: Unterminated <> operator in ...\exetype.pl line 1 Hmm, again an error within the first lines ...
16:22:07 <andi5> Q: did you use the save functionality of your browser or did you paste the contents into your editor?
16:23:00 <andi5> or clicked http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/packaging/win32/exetype.pl?format=txt :-)
16:23:35 <Jannick> andi5: I used the save feature of FireFox.
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17:42:45 <foo> :/ there was a bug in 2.2.1 that wasn't fixed in 2.2.3. It's the bug where when you post something, you can't just post and select OK. I do that and it says "No Account selected. Please try again." A work around is to click in the "Post to account" text box and then click ok.
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21:52:25 <martin_meyer> hi all, i've got a build issue with gnucash and i'm hoping someone where might be able to help. anyone care to try?
21:53:46 <jsled> sure, with more detail. Please use a pastebin for more than a couple of lines of output.
21:54:11 <martin_meyer> ok, stand by
21:54:23 <martin_meyer> x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -shared .libs/gnc-backend-file.o -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib64/gnucash -L/var/tmp/portage/app-office/gnucash-2.2.3-r1/image//usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib64 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgconf-2 -lglib-2.0 -lxml2 -L/var/tmp/portage/app-office/gnucash-2.2.3-r1/image//usr/lib64/gnucash -L/usr/lib64/gnucash -lgncmod-engine -lgnc-core-utils -lgnc-backend-file-utils -lgnc-qof -lpopt -lm -p
21:54:23 <martin_meyer> thread -pthread -march=nocona -pthread -Wl,--export-dynamic -Wl,-soname -Wl,libgncmod-backend-file.so -o .libs/libgncmod-backend-file.so
21:54:34 <martin_meyer> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.2.3/../../../../x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lgnc-backend-file-utils
21:54:40 <martin_meyer> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
21:54:46 <martin_meyer> that's pretty much the end of it
21:55:17 <martin_meyer> this is on gentoo, as you might have guessed from the directory structure :-P
21:56:43 <jsled> which version?
21:57:08 <martin_meyer> of gnucash? 2.2.3
21:58:05 <jsled> Uh, do you have anything funny going on with your LD_FLAGS or something? The bit that gets me is the -L/var/tmp/[...]image//usr/lib64
21:58:08 <martin_meyer> they don't patch gnucash at all normally for this version, but i found i needed the patch from revision 16899 applied on my system
21:58:40 <martin_meyer> that path is gentoo-s sandbox system, everything is built in /var/tmp before they copy it to the live system
21:59:30 <jsled> Yes. I use gentoo, and wrote early drafts of the gnucash-2.x.y ebuilds. :)
21:59:44 <martin_meyer> ah, ok then :-)
22:00:00 <martin_meyer> my ldflags should be clean, let me grab them real quick...
22:00:35 <martin_meyer> i'm not even setting LD_FLAGS
22:00:59 <martin_meyer> this system is ~amd64, a core 2 quad processor
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22:01:30 <martin_meyer> fwiw, there are 0 hits on google for gnc-backend-file-utils
22:01:45 <martin_meyer> gnc-backend-file has some though
22:04:33 <jsled> yeah ... and there's no gnc-backend-file-utils* in my tree, here.
22:04:52 <jsled> though that's trunk ... /me looks at the 2.2 branch.
22:05:00 <jsled> Though I don't think i'm up to date, there.
22:06:08 <martin_meyer> i've got the ofx and quotes USE flags enabled, but i don't think this library name sounds related to either of those
22:06:15 <jsled> right, no.
22:06:42 <jsled> What directory is that in? src/backend/file/ ?
22:08:26 <jsled> Ah.
22:09:16 <martin_meyer> ./src/backend/file/gnc-backend-file.[ch] exists, but no equivalent with -util in the name
22:09:27 <jsled> Take a look at Makefile.am in that dir.
22:09:41 <martin_meyer> in src/backend/file/ ?
22:10:03 <jsled> Yes.
22:10:24 <martin_meyer> what am i looking for?
22:10:37 <martin_meyer> i don't know how to read this file unfortunately :-(
22:10:46 <jsled> Well, that's where gnc-backend-file-utils is referenced, anyways.
22:11:19 <foo> :/ there was a bug in 2.2.1 that wasn't fixed in 2.2.3. It's the bug where when you post something, you can't just post and select OK. I do that and it says "No Account selected. Please try again. A work around is to click in the "Post to account" text box and then click ok. - you guys know about this? I thought I saw it logged
22:11:35 <jsled> foo: Have you found the bug on bugzilla.gnome.org ?
22:11:48 <jsled> Do you have reason to believe it was supposed to be fixed in 2.2.3?
22:12:36 <jsled> martin_meyer: unfortunately, my autotools-fu is weak. I'm not sure quite what the fix here is. :/
22:12:56 <martin_meyer> jsled: yeah on line 63, 68, 77, 103, the list goes on
22:13:28 <foo> jsled: Yes, I remember seeing it there a while back. No reason to believe it was supposed to be fixed, just surprised it's not. No biggie, just thought it was a minor thing that would have been fixed
22:13:52 <jsled> foo: well, check the status of that bug.
22:14:04 <foo> ok, thanks
22:14:08 <martin_meyer> jsled: there seem to be some variables being defined on 63 and 68, dependencies and la objects tyhe library requires maybe? then those vars are used later
22:14:12 <jsled> foo: we have bugs that are years old, so... :/
22:14:51 <jsled> martin_meyer: It may just be that one of the last references needs some qualification.
22:14:57 <foo> jsled: ah, I see
22:15:24 <jsled> In the "libgncmod_backend_file_la_LIBADD =" section, maybe adding a ${top_builddir}/src/backend/file/
22:18:58 <martin_meyer> i don't think i actually have a line that says that...
22:19:18 <martin_meyer> nm, just found it
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22:22:58 <martin_meyer> if i make this change, can i still use portage to do this build? I'm not sure how to prevent it from clearing out this chage short of applying another patch in the ebuild
22:24:00 <jsled> yes, I think its that latter option, at least for a while.
22:24:06 <jsled> But knowing if the change works is important.
22:24:13 <jsled> Cause then we can get it upstream for 2.2.4.
22:24:26 <martin_meyer> i'm also interested in why there are refs here to a library that doesn't seem to exist...
22:24:32 <jsled> In the mean time, you'll probably need to overlay your own gnucash-2.2.3
22:24:54 <martin_meyer> i'm already doing that b/c i needed another patch to make it work with my version of glib
22:25:20 <martin_meyer> it the patch from r 16899, dated jan 30 or something
22:25:39 <jsled> ah, right.
22:25:45 <jsled> Well, then, you're good! :)
22:25:49 <martin_meyer> wow, grammar cops beware on that sentence!
22:26:30 <jsled> heh. at least you can spell, and u use hol wrds, kthx.
22:26:52 <martin_meyer> wait - what if I just remove the regerence to libgnc-backend-file-utils.la from that libgncmod_backend_file_la_LIBADD variable?
22:27:27 <martin_meyer> it's the only thing in there that doesn't even have a path before it
22:27:37 <jsled> Hmm? There is a libgnc-backend-file-utils.la, and the associated libraries in .libs/, when built.
22:28:24 <jsled> (my earlier searches were incorrectly specified)
22:29:02 <martin_meyer> not sure how best to paste this, so let me give it a shot...
22:29:08 <martin_meyer> libgncmod_backend_file_la_LIBADD = \
22:29:13 <jsled> pastebin is your friend.
22:29:14 <martin_meyer> ${GLIB_LIBS} ${GCONF_LIBS} ${LIBXML2_LIBS} \
22:29:20 <martin_meyer> ${top_builddir}/src/engine/libgncmod-engine.la \
22:29:24 <martin_meyer> ${top_builddir}/src/core-utils/libgnc-core-utils.la \
22:29:29 <martin_meyer> libgnc-backend-file-utils.la \
22:29:34 <martin_meyer> ${QOF_LIBS}
22:29:46 <martin_meyer> shuldn't there be a path before that one lib file?
22:29:54 <jsled> Right. That's what I'm saying. :)
22:29:58 <martin_meyer> oh!
22:30:02 <martin_meyer> my mistake :-)
22:30:48 <jsled> (biab)
22:35:15 <martin_meyer> ok, doing a test build now, i'll let you know in about 10 mins i expect
22:35:37 <martin_meyer> do you happen to know why the ebuild forces the -j1 flag?
22:35:53 <martin_meyer> i've got quite a few cores here and i'd love to take advantage of them all ;-)
22:38:29 * jsled too.
22:38:39 <jsled> I've been under the impression that we don't build clean in parallel for a while.
22:38:54 <jsled> I've been trying to do -j3 builds regularly now to uncover problems, but they keep coming up clean.
22:39:19 <jsled> I've been thinking about suggesting removal of -j1 on gentoo, which would uncover any breakage pretty quickly, I think.
22:39:36 <jsled> But, breaking users is never good, so I'm hesitant.
22:40:00 <martin_meyer> yeah, i bet you'd get a lot of yelling for that :-)
22:40:18 <martin_meyer> but it'd probably end up with some useful bug reports from the people who aren't self-centered weenies
22:40:27 <jsled> True.
22:41:04 <martin_meyer> same problem :-(
22:42:24 <martin_meyer> i've confirmed that the the patch took, that makefile.in file reflects the change
22:43:36 <jsled> Well, I'm stumped. I suggest mailing to gnucash-devel.
22:43:38 <martin_meyer> ok, so that ${top_builddir}/src/backend/file/libgnc-backend-file-utils.la really doesn't exist, so there's not much hope of that having worked I suppose
22:44:02 <jsled> You can point to the log transcript here, if you like.
22:44:27 <martin_meyer> wow, nm, i'm teh stupid... i left on the leading /! what a n00b!
22:44:38 <jsled> Ah. Heh.
22:44:59 <martin_meyer> anyway, i'll give the list a shot
22:45:11 <martin_meyer> how do i capture a log of this session?
22:45:50 <jsled> Unfortunately, we can't ask the logger for the right pointer, but it's <http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2008/02/2008-02-18.html#T21:50:18>.
22:47:03 <martin_meyer> ok, thanks for the help!
22:47:54 <jsled> you're welcome. Though ...
22:48:07 <jsled> src/backend/file/libgnc-backend-file-utils.la should exist. It does here.
22:48:20 <jsled> And if you missed a '/', that might just do the trick.
22:49:09 <jsled> Also, if you haven't searched bugs.gentoo.org, that might uncover something x86-64 specific, or something.
22:49:28 <jsled> I'm still in x86 land, so I don't pay too close attention to x86-64 issues.
22:51:06 <martin_meyer> it doesn't feel like an arch issue to me, it says it just can't find the library
22:51:22 <martin_meyer> it's weird though that adding the missing path onto the thing didn't make the difference
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22:54:50 <jsled> It's not clear that it's missing.
22:55:14 <jsled> That part of the make should be done in the src/backend/file/ directory, where there's no clear need to qualify the path to the .la file.
22:55:30 <jsled> Whereas the other ones are in different dirs, and relative-paths aren't necessarily right.
22:55:48 <martin_meyer> true
23:00:26 <martin_meyer> i've just subscribed to the list and sent off a message with details, including the end of my build output from the console. Maybe the add'l info will help diagnose the issue.
23:00:35 <martin_meyer> again though, that's very much for the assistance
23:01:34 <jsled> :)
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