2008-02-29 GnuCash IRC logs

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01:07:28 <guillaume> in synaptic I get 2.2.1ubuntu4, on the web site i've donwloaded 2.2.3
01:08:07 <guillaume> [...]in synaptic I get 2.2.1ubuntu4, on the web site i've donwloaded 2.2.3 and after removing the one from synaptic [...]
01:08:21 <guillaume> oupsss sorry...
01:08:34 <guillaume> ... guile does not appear to be installed correctly,
01:10:01 <guillaume> i need to install guile I guess
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09:01:18 <IanL> evenin'
09:02:48 <warlord> good morning, IanL
09:04:10 <IanL> you're up early ;)
09:04:22 <IanL> ah, it is a weekday,
09:06:16 <warlord> It is. and it's 9am
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09:11:21 <IanL> yah, not bad
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09:23:14 <guillaume> hi all
09:24:42 <guillaume> I have guile installed ( it was installed allready ) and when I try to re-install gnucash2.2.3 im getting: "checking for guile - 1.6.0 <= version < 99.99.99... no:
09:24:42 <guillaume> configure: WARNING: guile version check failed
09:24:42 <guillaume> "
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09:32:09 <IanL> guillaume: try looking at the config.log and see why guile failed to be detected.
09:32:47 <warlord> guillaume: apt-get build-dep gnucash
09:32:54 <IanL> I'm not sure much about the build process if you are on windows though.
09:33:06 <warlord> IanL: he's on ubuntu
09:33:11 <IanL> ok,
09:35:58 <IanL> probably needs to install the dev package so apt-get build-dep gnucash should do it.
09:36:05 <warlord> guillaume: whatever you do, do NOT try to install guile from source!
09:36:31 <warlord> (and when you try to install gnucash from source, use a --prefix to point it somewhere unique like /opt/gnucash)
09:36:38 <warlord> IanL: right
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10:54:59 <guillaume> lol, I've used the apt-get build-dep gnucash, then apt-get install gnucash... it installed 2.2.1 again :(
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10:58:08 <warlord> guillaume: of course it did.
11:02:32 <IanL> if you are going to install gnucash from source then don't do the apt-get install gnucash part
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11:02:53 <IanL> you need to do apt-get build-dep gnucash to get all the dependencies needed to build gnucash,
11:03:18 <IanL> then just build it yourself. doing the apt-get install gnucash defeats the purpose,
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11:36:06 <guillaume> I did this now.. im getting Install error 2.. :(
11:37:59 <warlord> pastebin the error (you'll need to go up a few more lines to show the ACTUAL build error)
11:39:14 <guillaume> ok
11:40:34 <guillaume> http://pastebin.ca/923506
11:46:57 <warlord> guillaume: Try: make distclean
11:47:01 <warlord> then rerun ./configure
11:47:04 <warlord> then re-run make
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12:06:58 <AlonzoTG> =\
12:07:03 <AlonzoTG> I'm having trouble buying silver.
12:08:00 <AlonzoTG> =(
12:08:05 <AlonzoTG> =(((
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12:10:55 <warlord> Maybe you're not offering enough for them to sell it to you?
12:11:43 <AlonzoTG> I'm trying to enter the transaction into the books.
12:12:30 <AlonzoTG> Whenever I try to tell it I bought 60 pieces, it multiplies it by the price I gave it, makes the price 1, and reports that I have 1100 coins. =(
12:13:10 <warlord> Eh? What account-type is this silver account?
12:13:36 <AlonzoTG> Yep...
12:13:42 <AlonzoTG> I'm in the account editor, type is XAG.
12:13:58 <AlonzoTG> So "shares" is 60, price should be 19.70 or something.
12:14:29 <warlord> no no no ... ACCOUNT TYPE. Not Account Commodity.
12:15:29 <AlonzoTG> I set up this account two years ago and it's configured with the optionas availabable when I created it.
12:16:26 <AlonzoTG> it's set up as a currency account.
12:16:30 <AlonzoTG> which is what silver is...
12:16:33 <AlonzoTG> an alternate currency.
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12:21:54 <warlord> Oh, you shouldn't use those.. Currency accounts are deprecated, and HAVE been deprecated since 2.0.
12:22:04 <warlord> I'm surprised they still even work.
12:22:18 <warlord> (actually, based on your problem... it probably doesn't work)
12:22:37 <AlonzoTG> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:23:07 <warlord> Change the account type to Asset
12:23:10 * AlonzoTG beats you up with an IBM soft touch keyboard, famous for it's cast-iron frame....
12:23:29 <warlord> Don't beat ME up! You're the one using something you shouldn't.
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12:24:30 <AlonzoTG> it seems perefectly appropriate and looks exactly the same as the currently supported features, furthermore there was never any warning box saying "hey, this book uses depreciated features", so the beating is richly deserved.
12:24:44 <warlord> Fine.
12:24:51 <warlord> I'm going swimming.
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12:32:22 <IanL> heh,
12:35:31 <guillaume> http://pastebin.ca/923561
12:37:38 <jsled> guillaume: http://www.google.com/search?q=is+not+a+valid+libtool+archive+gnucash
12:38:50 <AlonzoTG> =\
12:38:59 <AlonzoTG> I'm still not getting this transaction right.
12:39:05 <AlonzoTG> Here's how all my old transactions worked:
12:39:12 <AlonzoTG> I enter silver in and the price.
12:39:43 <AlonzoTG> Then I adjust the credit ammount to what I actually paid, the remainder I put in account called "comodity premium".
12:40:52 <AlonzoTG> but this new version of gnucash doesn't seem to support that!!!
12:41:51 <AlonzoTG> In this case, the debit ammount is 60 pieces, the price is $19.70, the credit ammount is $1,449, so the debit to comodity premium is $280 something....
12:48:12 <jsled> AlonzoTG: Have you read <http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.0/C/gnucash-guide/chapter10.html>?
12:48:41 <jsled> I don't really know multi-currency support, but I believe those docs cover the case you want.
12:49:17 <AlonzoTG> Well, I had muddled through it in the past and had a system that worked in earlier versions.
12:50:04 <AlonzoTG> but this version only seems to support the X buys Y without regards to spot price and premiums... In all currency transactions there will be a transaction fee.
12:50:07 <jsled> Speifically, §10.7.1 has an example of a split for an exchange fee.
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12:51:18 <AlonzoTG> 1. Debit/deposit ammounts are ALWYS listed before credt/withdrawl ammounts.
12:51:21 <guillaume> jsled: i've read ubuntu forum
12:51:39 <guillaume> tell me to do something different from warlord
12:51:41 <guillaume> sudo apt-get install libgnutls11 libgsf-gnome-1-113 g-wrap guile-library libgwrap-runtime0-dev libgwrap-runtime0 guile-g-wrap guile-1.6-dev libffi4-dev libncurses5-dev libreadline5-dev
12:51:53 <AlonzoTG> 2, that's exactly what I was doing and gnucash wasn't letting me do, by the way it still has that NASTY formatting bug where trying to expand a colum causes it to become narrower!!!
12:54:17 <jsled> guillaume: AIUI, 'apt-get build-dep gnucash' should do that, but better.
12:54:35 <jsled> (as it will actaully look at what the package say it requires, rather than that list, which may be wrong.)
12:54:56 <jsled> AlonzoTG: re (1), I'm not sure what you mean. Are you referring to the docs, or gnucash, or...?
12:55:03 <AlonzoTG> the docs.
12:55:07 <AlonzoTG> gnucash itself does it right.
12:55:48 <AlonzoTG> gnucash doesn't let me do what 10.7.1 specifies.
12:55:57 <AlonzoTG> It used to.
12:56:25 <jsled> Why not? What can't you do?
12:56:28 <jsled> What happens?
12:59:24 <AlonzoTG> now it's just behaving strange.
12:59:36 <AlonzoTG> my old currency account is now an asset:currency:xag account.
12:59:58 <AlonzoTG> So I put in 60 new silver coins,
13:00:07 <AlonzoTG> and put the debit account to be my checking account...
13:00:15 <AlonzoTG> so it says 60 credit too.
13:00:23 <AlonzoTG> and from the checking account register, it's blank.
13:00:29 <AlonzoTG> that's the current situation.
13:00:42 <AlonzoTG> I put in temporary transactions so my balances are correct and the rest is imbalance...
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13:34:01 <guillaume> me again...
13:34:33 <guillaume> gnucash don't like me :(
13:35:12 <andi5> i suppose it rather hates the earth and every living being on it
13:35:30 <guillaume> lol
13:36:03 <guillaume> here what up now: http://pastebin.ca/923626
13:36:37 <jsled> guillaume: If you've already done apt-get build-deps gnucash, you shouldn't need to run any of that.
13:37:02 <guillaume> it's still not installed ...
13:37:06 <andi5> guillaume: that is right... and please do a "export LANG=C" in your working shell before :)
13:37:38 <andi5> what distro, btw? (i guess it is in the logs, lazy me)
13:37:56 <guillaume> ubuntu
13:38:03 <andi5> version?
13:38:17 <guillaume> latest gibon
13:38:54 <guillaume> normaly I read and learn everything by my self...
13:39:23 <andi5> is libgnutls11 in the build dependencies?
13:39:47 <guillaume> qbasic, turbo pascal, vb4, vb6, php, mysql all by myself.... but now... I'm in bussiness, and I realise that time is short.. lolll
13:40:37 <guillaume> and i was working on a simple thing and realised working on 2.2.1.. not 2.2.3
13:41:07 <guillaume> then uninstalled... now nothing want to work
13:41:22 * andi5 never wants to work
13:42:19 <andi5> guillaume: so why did list packages by yourself instead of using the command jsled told you?
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13:46:41 <warlord> AlonzoTG: it's empty because you're not supplying the exchange rate.
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13:50:40 <warlord> (rather, it's empty in the checking account)...
13:59:52 <warlord> guillaume: try: LANG=C make
14:00:08 <warlord> (indeed, you may even need to run configure with LANG=C)
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14:31:05 <AlonzoTG> now my comodity premium account is wrong. =(
14:32:26 <warlord> "commodity premium account"?
14:32:48 <AlonzoTG> yeah, it's where I put the difference between what I paid for some silver versus it's spot price.
14:32:49 <warlord> "is wrong" isn't a helpful error message.
14:32:52 <AlonzoTG> I treat it as an expense.
14:33:04 <andrewsw> andi5: is the find dialog fix going in 2.2.4?
14:33:15 <AlonzoTG> It's putting the equivalent value in silver in the account even though it is a USD account.
14:33:42 <mast_1> is here somebody who can help me with "aqHBCI"???
14:33:55 <warlord> AlonzoTG: What do you have as the exchange rate?
14:34:13 <AlonzoTG> equation: ammount on the check - #coins * spot price = commodity premium.
14:34:14 <warlord> mast_1: Maybe, if you ask your question.
14:34:26 <andi5> andrewsw: http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2008/02/2008-02-28.html#T15:29:59 and http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2008/02/2008-02-28.html#T17:31:19 ... you would do me a great favor if you could take a look at some of them :)
14:34:46 <andrewsw> I have a few minutes right now...
14:35:27 <mast_1> my problem is this: when i want to send a user-key to the bank i get a error message
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14:37:27 <warlord> umm.. and that error message would be...???
14:38:00 <andrewsw> andi5: 16914, the find dialog... my understanding is that there was some windows problem fixed by that hide_all/show_all stuff. I don't do windows so can't address that part, but I'd love to be able to find again. I say do it.
14:38:33 <mast_1> this is the message: " 9380- clientID isn't the same as the user-reference"
14:39:06 <andi5> andrewsw: hm? do not you mean the work-around for buggy window managers?
14:39:49 <warlord> mast_1: is this HBCI? OFX?
14:40:07 <mast_1> it'S HBCI 2.20
14:40:12 <andrewsw> andi5: yes. 16914 is that work-around that fixes buggy WM's. But I'm afraid of causing problems in the windows world with it.
14:40:35 <andi5> did someone mention something along that line? ... i ... do not remember :)
14:40:48 <andrewsw> andi5: the original reason *someone* (ahem) put that hide_all/show_all stuff in was to fix some win problem.
14:40:56 <warlord> mast_1: I'm afraid I dont know what to tell you. I suspect you'll have better luck asking on the gnucash-de mailing list.
14:40:57 <andrewsw> ;)
14:40:59 <andi5> ah, that was me ;-)
14:41:29 <andi5> ok, i will test it against windows tomorrow once again
14:41:43 <mast_1> warlord: ok thanks for your clue
14:41:52 <warlord> sorry i couldn't help more.
14:42:34 <andrewsw> Your commit log suggests that the problem is fixed because of guaranteed behavior in seach.glade and dialog-seach.c, so ..
14:42:37 <andi5> mast_1: please try to ask on the aqbanking-devel lists, they tend to give excellent help
14:43:00 <andi5> andrewsw: i will give my left-most hand for it :)
14:43:01 <andrewsw> andi5: if you approve it on win, I approve it for the rest. :)
14:44:18 <warlord> Oh? does it work on fvwm?
14:44:31 <andi5> it should now ... i think i have tested it, yes
14:47:10 <andrewsw> warlord: I haven't tested it on fvwm. In fact, I haven't tested the actual fix in svn at all, but the way I read it it should work.
14:47:22 <andrewsw> I tested a similar fix...
14:47:31 <andrewsw> maybe I should withdraw my approval...
14:47:46 <andi5> hm?
14:47:46 <andrewsw> andi5: 16884 == yes
14:51:45 <andrewsw> andi5: looking at the changeset for 16914, I tested the fix of removing line 853: gtk_widget_hide(sx->dialog) and that worked. You've done much more than that.
14:52:08 <andi5> sorry about that... :-)
14:52:18 <andrewsw> I have to go to class now, but will retest properly later on today... and then I'll confirm with you.
14:52:36 <andi5> thanks!
14:52:38 <guillaume> I did make with LANG=C
14:52:40 <andi5> see you
14:53:25 <guillaume> http://pastebin.ca/923707
14:53:39 <guillaume> now it's english so everyone here can understand
14:53:56 <andi5> did you run `make' as root before?
14:55:24 <andi5> you may want to run chown `id -u`.`id -g` . -R before :)
14:55:31 <andi5> with sudo
14:56:37 <andrewsw> andi5: see you. I'm building now...
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14:57:21 <andi5> guillaume: but maybe i did not read carefully enough... `make clean' might help as well :)
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15:03:11 <guillaume> maybe I don't understand something
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15:03:55 <andrewsw_in_class> andi5: 16935 == yes... heh heh
15:04:18 <andi5> andrewsw_in_class: sure about that risky one? ;-)
15:04:30 * andrewsw_in_class is sweatin'
15:04:38 <andi5> let us see whether it applies cleanly...
15:04:48 <andi5> oh no... conflict
15:05:08 <andrewsw_in_class> that's it. push 2.2.4 out to may...
15:05:16 <guillaume> http://pastebin.ca/923716
15:05:18 <andi5> puh... /me creates a merge branch
15:06:08 <andi5> guillaume: 'make clean' lets you start from near the beginning, so you will need to run 'make' once again
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15:12:46 <andrewsw_in_class> andi5: 16914 == yes. I don't know that it will fix fvwm, but it fixes my problem here.
15:13:03 <andi5> 'k
15:17:25 <guillaume> every time I do make i get that error
15:17:43 <andrewsw_in_class> andi5: 16939 == yes. (like how I pick all the easy ones?)
15:18:08 <andi5> no, i picked them :-D
15:18:31 <andrewsw_in_class> heh. 16940 == yes too...
15:18:59 <andrewsw_in_class> that;s it for me. gotta pay attention.
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15:37:08 <andi5> andrewsw-afk: great :-) only r16852, r16931, r16932 and r16934 are missing... your pending patch is ready too 8-)
16:23:25 <guillaume> :( http://pastebin.ca/923788
16:24:23 <andi5> oh... hehe... no i found it...
16:24:27 <andi5> s,no,now,
16:24:35 <andi5> see "/bin/sed: can't read folder/DOTBIZ/gnucash-2.2.3/lib/libqof/qof/libgnc-qof.la: No such file or directory"
16:24:49 <andi5> your directory "main folder" has been split in the middle :)
16:31:01 <guillaume> oo
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16:31:11 <guillaume> normaly, where the program are installed?
16:32:48 <andi5> hm? the problem is that you unpacked the tarball (i suppose) into a path containing a space.... create a directory "mainfolder" instead and try again... regarding installation, i suppose you want to add --prefix=/opt/gnucash to your line of configure parameters
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16:39:47 <bz> I'm having a problem with the "current assets pie chart" report in gnucash 1.8...
16:39:54 <bz> I realize that there is a newer release version, but I haven't been able to upgrade to it yet; long story.
16:40:09 <bz> The symptom is that the report seems to not pick up some accounts. In particular, if I set it to include accounts until level 3, it misses some assets for which level 3 has no transactions (is just a container account for other accounts)
16:40:18 <bz> The weird part is that there are other parts of the account tree that have the same structure that the report _does_ pick up.
16:57:29 <guillaume> Thanks All
16:57:51 <guillaume> i'm finaly runing 2.2.3
16:58:03 <andi5> cool :)
16:58:17 <guillaume> and taxes are working great
16:58:39 <guillaume> ((it's was the reason for upgrading..
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18:10:20 <warlord> bz: there have been two major releases since 1.8.. 2.0 and 2.2
18:10:29 <warlord> I'm afraid nobody here has used 1.8 in years.
18:11:48 <warlord> Even the graphics library changed in 2.0
18:12:30 <warlord> umm.. IIRC (this has been YEARS since I've used 1.8)... I think that it limits the chart to the top half-dozen. And if you double-click on a pie piece it will break it apart into what it's composed of.
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18:26:51 <foo> Hm, say I have an invoice for a client.. it includes products that I marked up. Is there anyway I could somehow determine what is the actual cost of the good that I inquired and how much I marked it up?
18:28:24 <warlord> unfortunately right now there's no report to compute that. the information is available (assuming you used the vendor bill and customer chargeback)
18:29:48 <foo> I haven't used any bills... I'd just track it as an expense.
18:29:51 <foo> that's ok, right?
18:31:34 <warlord> Sure, but then there's no tie-in from the expense to the customer charge.
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18:35:34 <foo> So, a bill allows me to associate expenses with clients, correct?
18:35:44 <foo> Shoot, I didn't do that at all last year.
18:35:48 <foo> I don't know if I really need to, hm
18:38:19 <warlord> Well, a bill allows you to specify a charge-back customer, and then when you invoice the customer you can attach the chargeback items to the invoice. But.. there's a bug in that it incorrectly displays the chargeback items too much.
18:38:29 <warlord> I've been able to reproduce it, but not figure out why.
18:38:41 <foo> ah, I see
18:38:59 <foo> Hm, I mostly do service stuff. I don't how important that'd be to me
18:39:08 <foo> But cool, nonetheless :)
18:40:54 <warlord> right
18:41:34 <foo> Hm, I have no idea how to record this transaction. I suppose I could put the marketed up price and then have it go to cost of goods sold, but then that wouldn't be accurate
18:41:37 * foo looks at a bill
18:43:42 <warlord> I've gotta run
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18:43:46 <foo> warlord: ah, thanks
18:43:50 <foo> anywho
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18:46:59 * andi5 will be back tomorrow morning... please give me some input regarding the remaining backports, including r16983 :)
18:47:18 * foo waves by to andi5
18:47:24 * andi5 waves back
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18:54:31 <foo> warlord-afk: ping me when you're back in, thanks
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19:25:35 <warlord> foo: go.
19:26:21 <warlord> (before I have to leave again)
19:27:31 <foo> warlord: Hm, I was thinking... I'm making an invoice, say I put the product for client at $50... then I go into my sales register and I take $40 of that and have it go to Cost of Goods Sold ... that probably works, right?
19:28:00 <warlord> Sure.. so long as you don't change the total going into A/R
19:28:21 <warlord> ... but you might not be able to modify the transaction.
19:28:29 <foo> ah, yeah, I would post it... so I don't think I could
19:28:33 <foo> ah, yeah, I see what you're saying, though
19:28:57 <foo> Ok, I'll do that. hm, might need to go back to 2007 and do that for everything too. I was putting it under Reimbursed Expenses, and I don't think that's the proper way to do this
19:34:15 <warlord> Well, that's what I do.
19:34:35 <warlord> Then you can compare the Reimbursed Expenses to the Actual Expenses.
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19:37:01 <andrewsw> @tell andi5 16582 only makes sense to me. You're about the free() params anyway. closing the fd is a darn good idea.
19:37:01 <gncbot> andrewsw: The operation succeeded.
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19:39:36 <andrewsw-afk> @tell andi5 s/16582/16852/ :)
19:39:36 <gncbot> andrewsw-afk: The operation succeeded.
19:44:06 <warlord> sorry, gotta run.
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20:27:18 <foo> warlord-afk: ahh, I see. Thanks :) I'll do this from now on.
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22:28:12 <bz> warlord: are you still there?
22:28:24 <bz> doh
22:29:05 <bz> warlord-afk: the problem is that it's just completely leaving one of the slices out, and leaving those accounts out of the total
22:29:30 <bz> warlord-afk: and yes, I know that 1.8 is old; last I checked upgrading would involve an operating system upgrade, which is a huge pain...
22:29:39 <bz> warlord-afk: I guess I should just go read the report code...
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