2008-04-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:06:15 <cast> alright, i'm going to start using gnucash
02:06:41 <cast> now i'm carrying on these accounts from the last person, and know fuck all about accouting
02:07:29 <cast> i think the hardest part will be starting, has i have to start two years ago, so...i have a balance sheet for the 30th, june, 2006.
02:07:54 <cast> would that serve as all i need to start? from there i can just put the right initial amounts in each account
02:08:10 <cast> then i can just go through the diary and bank statement and add in transactions
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04:32:58 <nbinont> is something up with the mailing lists? Last message I got was on the 6th
04:33:25 <nbinont> I'm also getting TEMP_FAILURE: 451 when I try to send messages.
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08:58:29 <warlord> cast: yes, that would work.
08:58:51 <warlord> nbinont: you could be hitting the greylisting.
09:02:21 <warlord> nbinont: Did you get Charles Day's message to the list?
09:03:58 <cast> :)
09:04:06 <cast> nice timing, just got home
09:07:05 <warlord> heh.
09:07:10 <warlord> and I just got up. :)
09:09:02 * cast takes off wet shorts before they get itchy
09:11:18 <warlord> heh
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09:24:02 <xi_> I'm running 2.0.1 and when I use the "get quotes" option in the price editor, it fails to update the currency exchange rates
09:24:33 <xi_> the error is: Unable to retrieve quotes for...CURRENCY:EUR ... etc
09:26:12 <warlord> xi_: wow, 2.0.1 is OLD. What version of F::Q?
09:30:05 <xi_> how do i check that
09:31:20 <xi_> yeah i run slackware which doesn't have good gnome suppot
09:31:26 <xi_> so its hard to upgrade gnucash
09:31:51 <warlord> nbinont: Looks like CalmAV died.. Mail is flowing now.
09:32:04 <warlord> Oh, you run SLACKWARE? Have fun!
09:32:20 <xi_> ?
09:33:54 <warlord> Sorry, they dont pay me enough to support masochists.
09:34:03 <xi_> :(
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09:34:23 <xi_> i remember it was painful just to get 2.0.0 running when it first came out
09:34:41 <xi_> how i need to upgrade all my gnome packages to compile 2.2.x
09:34:44 <xi_> s/how/now
09:34:53 <warlord> Yes, and if you were running a REAL distro then upgrading would be as easy as "yum install gnucash" or "apt-get install gnucash"
09:34:56 <cast> could you, if you have spae, setup anothersoftware stack with uptodate shit :)
09:35:08 <cast> eee keyboard, my bad.
09:35:23 <xi_> what do you run warlord
09:35:36 <warlord> xi_: well, if nothing else you should AT LEAST update to 2.0.5, if not 2.2.x
09:35:38 <warlord> I run Fedora
09:35:57 <warlord> Others around here run Ubuntu, Gentoo, Debian.. Even SuSE!
09:36:01 <xi_> ive been thinking lately about maybe ubuntu
09:36:03 <warlord> Nobody runs slackware.
09:36:13 <xi_> i installed slackware in '95 and have just kept upgrading it since....
09:36:14 <cast> cept old people
09:36:16 <warlord> (except masochists who then come in and require lots of help)
09:36:16 <xi_> too lazy to install something else
09:36:30 <warlord> Oh, I started with slackware in 1993.
09:36:43 <warlord> But switches to Red Hat 3.0.3 and never looked back.
09:36:54 <warlord> The lack of real package management.. You don't know what you're missing.
09:37:01 <cast> go debian! since you're an old user don't see how ubuntu adds value for you over deian
09:37:25 <xi_> honestly, i love slack except for this gnucash problem. Its really the only headache I get these days
09:37:26 <warlord> nbinont: Mail should be flowing again. Thanks for the notice.
09:37:45 <xi_> although I once tried to upgrade a kernel without upgrading libc and that caused lots of problems too
09:38:32 <warlord> See, if you run a real Distro you dont fall into that trip.
09:38:33 <xi_> hrm, maybe its time to finally say goodbye to slack
09:39:26 <warlord> er, trap
09:39:50 <xi_> so in something like ubuntu, i can do apt-get install gnucash and it will automatically install/upgrade all the dependencies too, without breaking anything?
09:40:10 <jsled> yup.
09:40:10 <cast> yes.
09:40:22 <xi_> interesting concept :-)
09:40:30 <warlord> Yep!
09:40:41 <cast> though one uses aptitude instead of apt-get nowdays,
09:40:49 <warlord> And even better, you can do "apt-get build-dep gnucash" and it will install all the build-dependencies so you can build/rebuild it, too.
09:44:18 <xi_> well thanks, got to run
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10:26:23 <warlord> nbinont: Wow.. Mail's been down for two days, and nobody noticed.
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12:35:41 <warlord> Huh! Check printing isn't working on trunk.
12:36:00 <warlord> It will print to PDF, and I can print from there.. But I can't print directly to my printer from gnucash.
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15:07:42 <ki9a> Does GNUCash have tax options for dutch taxes?
15:17:56 <warlord> what do you mean by "tax options"? GnuCash is an accounting program, not a tax program.
15:18:46 <ki9a> yet it has those "TXF categories"
15:19:05 <ki9a> I was wondering if there was something like it for dutch taxes too
15:20:14 <warlord> Nope.
15:20:22 <warlord> Nobody has donated one.
15:20:25 <warlord> We have US and German
15:22:06 <ki9a> ah oke. I don't know enough to donate one.
15:23:58 <warlord> okay.
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15:33:16 <vsync> ki9a: you could always commit what you set up for yourself
15:33:21 <vsync> and then people will complain about what's wrong
15:33:27 <vsync> and it will converge on correctness
15:33:46 <vsync> btw i'm on slackware right now :)
15:35:22 <ki9a> vsync: any docs on how to do thaT? Or places to look for ?
15:37:35 <vsync> oh, no clue
15:37:55 <vsync> was just saying that the first step is usually a bad implementation :)
15:38:01 <vsync> it's like the seed for a crystal
15:38:18 <warlord> ki9a: take a look at the us and german tax reports
15:40:18 <ki9a> :) thanks.
15:44:01 <warlord> NP
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16:12:48 <vsync> # get the required major and minimum OS revs (e.g., {OS=5[>5.6]})
16:12:50 <vsync> er
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16:16:26 <ScislaC> what dictates the sort order of transactions for a specific date? (credits vs debits, transaction number, or what?)
16:16:33 <warlord> yes
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16:24:13 <ScislaC> warlord: was that in response to me?
16:24:26 <warlord> ScislaC: yes
16:24:38 <ScislaC> warlord: which is it then? :)
16:24:45 <ScislaC> yes tells me it's all of them
16:25:05 <warlord> that's correct.
16:25:37 <ScislaC> warlord: is there any way for a user to change that?
16:25:44 <warlord> View -> Sort Order
16:26:00 <warlord> (but the account balance is based purely on the Standard Sort Order)
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16:32:46 <andi5> warlord: what version of gtk+?
16:33:11 <warlord> andi5: gtk2-2.10.14-3.fc7
16:33:18 <andi5> ok, thx
16:33:21 <warlord> fyi, 2.2's POTFILES.in is broken.
16:33:30 <andi5> is it?
16:33:47 <warlord> Yeah. it contains a non-existant file
16:34:16 <andi5> which one? :)
16:34:21 <warlord> src/import-export/qif-import/schemas/apps_gnucash_import_qif.schemas.in
16:34:32 <warlord> this causes "make check" to fail.
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16:35:30 <andi5> ah, my mistake... i marked r17015 as bp...
16:37:07 <andi5> well...
16:37:30 <andi5> not all bp have been backported...
16:37:37 <andi5> i guess i will fix that soon
16:41:56 <andi5> i can print with trunk and gtk+-2.10.14... weird
16:42:10 <warlord> Print CHECKS?
16:42:14 <andi5> yep
16:42:17 <warlord> or print reports?
16:42:25 <warlord> Hmm..
16:42:35 <andi5> should not make a difference as we use gtkprint for both if avaiable, iirc
16:43:43 <warlord> Nope.
16:43:47 <warlord> We dont
16:43:51 <warlord> reports still use GnomePrint
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16:44:59 <warlord> it appears to be a problem with the postscript rendering.
16:45:06 <warlord> the PDF rendering appears to be fine.
16:45:09 <andi5> i guess that depends on the flag GTKHTML_USES_GTKPRINT
16:45:25 <warlord> however, even a PS output-to-file results in a PS file that wont print.
16:45:33 <warlord> (and indeed doesn't show anything under 'gs',, either)
16:45:59 <andi5> what format do you use?
16:46:39 <warlord> check format? Deluxe. Or the (new) liberty format I just committed to trunk.
16:47:20 <warlord> But doesn't matter.
16:47:24 <warlord> Let me try 2.2 and see.
16:47:41 <andi5> would be interesting what GTKHTML_USES_GTKPRINT looks alike in your config.h :)
16:49:10 <warlord> 2.2 doesn't work for me, either.
16:49:26 <warlord> /* #undef GTKHTML_USES_GTKPRINT */
16:50:02 <warlord> Let me see if there's a gtk update for F7.
16:50:16 <andi5> ok
16:50:34 <warlord> (although this package was installed 11 Aug 2007 and I know check printing was working after that)
16:51:02 <warlord> But.. there IS a new version of gtk.. 2.10.14-4.fc7
16:51:17 <andi5> wow.. that is a big difference ;-)
16:51:31 <warlord> Heh. Yeah. I suppose I can try it and see..
16:52:18 <warlord> It's weird, tho. I really dont think I changed anything on this machine since the last time I tried to print a check.
16:52:58 <andi5> maybe your ghostscript installation is screwed up :-)
16:53:12 <warlord> Unlikely.
16:53:38 <warlord> Looking at the PS itself, it looks wrong. It sets up a bunch of fonts but doesn't output any text.
16:56:06 <andi5> any cairo update available?
16:56:43 <warlord> Yes. To 1.4.14-1.fc7 (from 1.4.10-1.fc7)
16:57:50 <andi5> that is newer than what i have!
17:01:48 <andi5> do other applications still print fine, do you expect this to be a problem with gnucash?
17:05:19 <andi5> if it of any help, my postscript file does not contain the text string as well, but it is clear showed...
17:07:02 <andi5> +is, clearly... i am sorry
17:08:04 <andi5> btw, it seems that printing will improve on windows a lot with gtkprint 2.14 and cairo 1.6... but that will take some time to hit earth
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17:15:29 <warlord> Sorry, work issue just came up.
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17:31:28 <warlord> * sighs *
17:31:51 <andi5> is that good or bad? ;-)
17:32:00 <warlord> Okay.. I suppose I could go try this. Or it could be r16737 or r16475
17:33:04 <andi5> 16737 looks harmless, somehow
17:33:30 <andi5> 16475 hit svn 7 months ago
17:34:22 <warlord> Yeah.
17:34:33 <warlord> (I didn't look at the actual changeset).
17:34:41 <warlord> I suspect it's something I updated locally..
17:34:48 <andi5> possible :)
17:35:10 <andi5> but there are not many layers... cairo, pango, gtk+, i suppose
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17:35:32 <warlord> I DID update some stuff in the last 4 months.. ;)
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17:38:37 <warlord> Let's see. I updated gnome-desktop and system-config-printer-libs
17:39:22 <warlord> I suppose I should just try to update and re-test.
17:40:30 <warlord> It's clearly been a while since my last set of updates... there's a lot it's pulling down)
17:44:25 <warlord> Only 738MB of updates. heh
17:44:45 <warlord> So.. about 10-15 minutes
17:45:04 <andi6> peanuts
17:45:14 <warlord> Exactly. :)
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17:45:35 <andi5> is there anything like that on windows?
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18:00:00 <warlord> something like... ???
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18:00:16 <warlord> so, downloads are done. Now it's running the install.
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19:37:17 <andi5> time to get some rest... (just fetched test transactions with the help of aq3 :-))
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19:59:00 <nbinont> warlord-afk: thanks for getting the mail back up
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20:35:03 <warlord> nbinont: you're welcome
20:48:29 <warlord> @tell andi5 FYI, after the update the print-check feature works again.
20:48:29 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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