2008-05-31 GnuCash IRC logs
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15:19:44 <illuminator08> Hi, I have a question about the use of gnucash. I was wondering if there is a relatively easy way to enter payments based on a previously entered invoice?
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15:58:35 <pll> Hi all, I just install gnucash 2.2.4 from Debian/testing. I used gnucash way back in the pre-1.8 days, but haven't touched it for years. When I start it up it keeps finding my old .xac files despite having blown away my .gnucash directory. Can someone please tell me where gnucash looks for config files which may contain the paths to my old data files? I want gnucash to start up as if I had never used it before.
15:59:55 <jsled> pll: that data is stored in gconf, so it'll be in ~/.gconf/apps/gnucash/ (some key under there, in particular)
16:00:13 <pll> jsled: I tried blowing that away too :)
16:00:15 <jsled> If you do decide to blow that directory away, make sure you run gconftool-2 --shutdown to restart gconfd.
16:00:27 <pll> Ahh, good idea. thanks.
16:00:55 <pll> I didn't blow away the entire .gconf dir, just the gnucash stuff under it. But if gconfd is still running, it might have cached.
16:01:02 <jsled> exactly.
16:02:59 <pll> jsled: It's been a long time since I looked at gnucash. Is it still using xml files ?
16:03:32 <jsled> yes
16:04:36 <pll> This is really annoying. I've blown away everything I can think of, and it *still* finds these data files.
16:05:27 <jsled> So?
16:05:33 <jsled> I mean, why do you care?
16:05:53 <jsled> Just open another file, or do File > New File to create a new datafile.
16:06:28 <pll> Because it's annoying, and pissing me off, and, well, it just shouldn't do that :)
16:06:41 <pll> I also don't want it mucking with the old files.
16:06:55 <jsled> As soon as you open another file, it'll "stick" to that one.
16:07:12 <pll> Though it's not as if it matters that much, they're 5 years old, haven't been updated, and are all under svn control :)
16:07:16 <jsled> You might try using "Configuration Editor" (a gconf data editor) to mutate the key.
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16:07:45 <pll> Hmm, I'll try that. It's just become one of those things, you know, man against computer :)
16:07:51 * jsled nods :)
16:07:59 <pll> It's now to the point where I can't let it win :)
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16:28:26 <warlord> pll: gnucash --nofile
16:30:33 <warlord> illuminator08: what do you mean by "enter payments based on a previously entered invoice"? You can search for the invoice and click on "Process Payment" -- or you can choose the invoice directly via the process payment dialog. Or you can just pay the customer.
16:34:40 <pll> warlord: Where does gnucash look to find old data files? I've blown away .gconfd, restarted gconfd, etc. I've even run gnucash under strace, and can't find what config file it might be reading that would have this information in it.
16:35:23 <warlord> gconf
16:35:37 <warlord> did you shutdown gconf, then blow away the gconf dir?
16:35:59 <jsled> It looks in the gconf key </apps/gnucash/history/file0>, in particular.
16:36:26 <pll> Yeah, I just did that. I'm restarting gnucash now.
16:36:57 <pll> Aha! That did it!
16:38:12 <warlord> :)
16:41:50 <illuminator08> I have payments sent to me from people I do work for. I haven't found a way to quickly enter payments for previously entered invoices. i often enter 30-40 invoice payments at a time, it gets very cumbersome entering payments having to constantly open a new search window to search for the next invoice, I was just wondering if their was a way to quickly get to the 'process payment' other than having to jump through the hoops of the men
16:44:54 <warlord> Business -> Customer -> Find Invoice -> [Paid] [Is Not] [Set]
16:45:10 <warlord> Then select an invoice, click on Process Payment.
16:47:52 <illuminator08> exactly. now do it 30 times. :D
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16:53:26 <warlord> illuminator08: Umm.. all you need to do is the 'select an invoice, pick on process payment' 30 times.
16:53:35 <warlord> er, click on.
16:53:47 <warlord> The search window should stay up the whole time.
16:54:46 <illuminator08> I'll try it. I was trying to go through the 'process payment' each time. it gets tedious that way. I'll try it this way. :D thanks.
16:56:55 <warlord> gotta run for a bit. i'll be back
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16:57:04 <illuminator08> duh. That's why I had to ask. I figured there was a way I could do it much easier that way. That helps a bunch thanks warlord
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16:58:14 <pll> Is there a way to create my own commodities which are not associated with an exchange?
17:02:58 <pll> Also, when I create a new (expense) account, how do select it to be a Security type vs. a Currency type? The only thing listed is Currency.
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17:09:36 <pll> Hmm, there seems to be a bug in 2.2.4-1 where if you save a file, then ask gnucash to open a new file, it exits.
17:15:17 <pll> So, the only way to have an account use a commodity is to make it the an Asset type? That's a pain.
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17:20:20 <pll> How can I create a new currency in GnuCash?
17:20:38 <jsled> Sorry ... was watching the shuttle launch.
17:20:50 <jsled> To create a new actual currency, you need to edit a file a build time.
17:21:18 <pll> Oh. No widget yet, huh?
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17:21:46 <jsled> hmm? There's no UI support for currencies, no.
17:21:51 <jsled> Or, for adding currencies.
17:21:59 <warlord> What currency isn't in there?
17:22:01 <pll> Is there any way to get create a security which is a) not tied to an exchange, and b) can be used in non-asset type accounts?
17:22:21 <warlord> a) yes, just put it under FUND, or create your own namespace.
17:22:23 <pll> The GAL, or, 1 gallon of gasoline.
17:22:25 <warlord> b) No.
17:22:42 <warlord> that's not a currency
17:22:52 <pll> No, it's a commodity.
17:22:54 <andi5> pll: you mean, you start gnucash, edit some stuff, file > save, file > new > new and gnucash crashes? what operating system is this?
17:23:09 <pll> And it has a dollar trading value which fluctuates.
17:23:14 <warlord> right.. so it would be an asset.
17:23:35 <pll> Not really, because it then gets burned...
17:23:37 <pll> :)
17:23:53 <pll> I put it in my gas tank and drive, and it disappears.
17:23:56 <warlord> Why are you even trying to account for your gasoline storage? Honestly that just seems pretty silly.
17:24:34 <pll> Because there is no way to compare how much gasoline I use from month to month or year to year without tracking the volume purchased.
17:24:54 <pll> Same for electricity.
17:25:10 <pll> I want to track Kwh as well, which is also a commodity, and also an expense.
17:26:13 <pll> and home heating oil, and propane, and natural gas, etc.
17:26:23 <warlord> i dont think gnucash is the right tool for that, as it's currently written
17:27:28 <pll> I'm beginning to think that too. Though, sadly, there's no reason it couldn't do all this, you just need to be able to support 'alternative' currencies.
17:27:43 <pll> The GAL == $3.859 today
17:28:00 <pll> The Kwh == $.017 (or whatever).
17:28:40 <pll> I could probably futz it with making my gas expenses a pseudo asset account, but I'm not sure how easy that would be.
17:28:49 <warlord> pll: use the XXX currency
17:29:07 <pll> I gotta run for now, but I'll try that. Thanks.
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19:28:51 <fell> pll: in newer versions is a currency XXX - no currency.
19:30:16 <fell> you can misuse it for nearly every thing ;-)
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