2008-06-07 GnuCash IRC logs

00:00:11 <dbreiser> fink has been very slow with gnome upgrades
00:00:44 <dbreiser> largely a result of some of their own policies about not breaking existing stuff, but they're stretched a bit thin too.
00:01:55 <dbreiser> soon there will be a huge version jump for most things gnome in fink (they're finishing up the documentation on the conversion process)
00:05:01 <dbreiser> anyway, the blank pdf in preview was probably a bug in either gtk or gnomeprint or Preview that resulted in Preview displaying blank pages.
00:05:45 <dbreiser> Adobe's apps have usually been more forgiving of slightly malformed pdf
00:06:15 <dbreiser> makes you wonder just how well the spec is written though.
00:10:19 <foo> yeah, definitely made me wonder
00:10:30 <foo> two issues were blank pdf and pdf with garbled text
00:10:52 <dbreiser> I haven't seen the garbled text, but I have seen the blank pages
00:16:11 <foo> ah
00:16:18 <foo> you have a gmail account>
00:16:35 <dbreiser> yes - dbreiser
00:17:23 <foo> e-mail yourself a pdf produced by gnucash and try to view it within gmail and it's all garbled. I noticed this a while ago and thought it was a tad strange
00:18:00 <dbreiser> ah. yet another parser. :(
00:18:15 <dbreiser> I usually read my gmail in Apple mail
00:18:24 <dbreiser> imapped
00:20:33 <dbreiser> gotta go. good luck.
00:20:41 *** dbreiser has quit IRC
01:09:38 *** jcreigh has quit IRC
06:31:04 *** kielein has joined #gnucash
06:38:30 *** _gunni_ has joined #gnucash
06:44:57 *** Pepe66 has joined #gnucash
06:47:16 *** |gunni| has quit IRC
07:56:34 *** cort has quit IRC
08:10:46 *** cortana has joined #gnucash
08:23:40 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
08:42:19 *** twunder has quit IRC
10:05:07 *** jrgenolsen has joined #gnucash
10:05:19 <jrgenolsen> warlord-afk, i miss You :) do You know anything about my issue?
10:05:42 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
10:05:52 <warlord> jrgenolsen: Because your locale is en_US?
10:14:36 *** chillywilly has left #gnucash
10:17:54 *** JonathanElli1 has joined #gnucash
10:23:51 <warlord> ... or you tell the QIF importer that you're importing USD?
10:24:12 <jrgenolsen> the locale in my environment?
10:24:15 <JonathanElli1> Hi. I am trying to recharge a bill to a customer. When I created the bill I added a customer under Default Chargeback Project but no job as it is only a single bill to be recharged. Now how do I recharge it?
10:24:27 <jrgenolsen> no i tell it im importing dkk
10:37:04 <warlord> JonathanElli1: did you check off indiviual bill items as re-billinable?
10:37:14 <warlord> jrgenolsen: yes, the locale in your environment.
10:37:36 <warlord> jrgenolsen: what version of gnucash?
10:37:52 <warlord> (actually, the person you need to talk to is Charles Day)
10:56:23 <JonathanElli1> warlord: Oh, I only just noticed the billable field. It was very narrow. dont know why it is like that by default
10:56:33 <JonathanElli1> I will change the bill
10:59:13 <warlord> It's small because the column only contains a checkbox. So it's a little wasteful to have it wider than that. There's already too many columns.
11:01:15 <JonathanElli1> OK. Trouble is the column label is not legible because its so small. Now that I have checked that item it appears on my customers invoice. Thanks
11:03:03 <warlord> You're welcome.
11:03:25 <warlord> Note that there *IS* a bug in there that chargeback items seem to always appear.
11:08:06 <warlord> I haven't been able to notice the logic bug in there -- I suspect it's a "GUID-NULL" bug.
11:11:54 <jrgenolsen> warlord, i use 2.2.5
11:13:06 <warlord> Huh. I thought all these currency-related issues had been fixed by 2.2.5. But it certainly looks like it's creating USD-based transactions.
11:14:37 *** JonathanElli1 has left #gnucash
11:30:25 <warlord> gotta go. jrgenolsen I suggest you contact Charles Day. He's the QIF Guy.
11:30:27 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
11:33:22 *** ural0 has joined #gnucash
11:36:07 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
11:36:57 *** Zoolooc has joined #gnucash
12:14:53 *** ural0 has quit IRC
12:32:55 *** ErKa has quit IRC
13:24:46 *** dbreiser has joined #gnucash
13:25:17 <dbreiser> does autom4te.cache have to be cleared manually at times?
13:25:49 <dbreiser> I'm getting a bogus definition of __EXTENSIONS__ in the gda-dev2 branch that doesn't happen in trunk
13:28:21 <dbreiser> config.h is the file that's somehow thinking I'm on Solaris and adding the definition that conflicts with one added in sixtp-dom-generators.c
13:30:03 <dbreiser> since I can't find definition in src anywhere, autoheader must be putting it there.
13:30:44 <dbreiser> It's possible I had an earlier version of autotools installed one time I built gda-dev2.
13:33:37 <dbreiser> I almost always start with make distclean, so that should be cleaning up some/most stuff
13:44:02 *** sjc has joined #gnucash
14:05:33 *** andi5 has joined #gnucash
14:05:34 *** gncbot sets mode: +o andi5
14:10:59 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
14:11:06 <warlord> dbreiser: yeah, sometimes it needs to be cleared out.
14:11:25 <dbreiser> do I just dump everything in the cache?
14:16:17 <warlord> rm -rf the cache
14:17:23 <dbreiser> thanks
14:23:53 <dbreiser> warlord: is there another place outside the source root that could be causing the problem? I trashed the cache, made distclean, and I still get the error.
14:24:17 <warlord> Ummm.....
14:24:20 <warlord> Not that I can think of.
14:25:18 <dbreiser> I guess I'll try today's restructuring of the database branch and see if anything changes. If I have to, I'll manually mess with config.h
14:27:17 <warlord> This is on Mac?
14:27:23 <dbreiser> yes
14:28:07 <warlord> Oh. no idea.
14:28:42 <dbreiser> ok. I'll dig some more as well as taking the cheap route to see if I can figure out the real cause.
14:30:48 <warlord> ok
14:32:27 <andi5> warlord: i assume that we/i will have to check what version of goffice stopped shipping the gnome-print renderer and starting from there check that against gtkhtml-3.14 the same way we check that goffice features a cairo renderer when there is a new version of gtkhtml?
14:33:20 <dbreiser> aha (maybe). trunk's aclocal.m4 was built with autoconf 1.9.6. Gda branch aclocal was made by 1.10.1
14:36:44 <warlord> andi5: I'm adding a configure check now.
14:36:55 <andi5> ok then
14:37:11 <warlord> I'm adding:
14:37:12 <warlord> # GOffice >= 0.5 requires GtkHTML >= 3.14
14:37:12 <warlord> if test x$goffice_with_cairo = x1 -a x$gtkhtml = x0 ; then
14:37:12 <warlord> AC_MSG_ERROR([Goffice uses Cairo/GtkPrint but didn't find GtkHTML with GtkPrint support])
14:37:13 <warlord> fi
14:37:39 <warlord> There are also a few AC_MSG_NOTICE()s that probably should be _ERROR()s
14:38:49 <andi5> why that? ... if somehow an older version of gtkhtml is found then, well... i do not really care =
14:40:16 <andi5> hm... btw, there are goffice versions that ship both, cairo and gnome-print renderers
14:40:47 <andi5> but it seems as if goffice0.5 will not work without gtkhtml with gtkprint support, i.e. <3.14
14:40:58 <warlord> Right.
14:41:12 <dbreiser> does configure still check for gnomeprint if it finds a gtkprint-capable gtk? (IOW, can I delete gnomeprint dependencies if I have gtkprint?)
14:42:14 <warlord> I dont recall
14:42:23 <andi5> gnomeprint is only checked when gtkhtml-3.14 is not found
14:43:02 <andi5> and maybe gtk+-2.10 is missing, but i assume you have that :)
14:43:08 <dbreiser> good. I can pitch gnomeprint dependencies in the pending fink gnome branch
14:43:18 <andi5> what version of goffice?
14:43:24 <dbreiser> 0.6
14:43:26 <andi5> great
14:43:30 <dbreiser> .3, I think
14:45:05 <dbreiser> fink will be at gtk+ 2.12.9 at least. I'm running 2.12.10
14:47:01 <warlord> Yeah, goffice 0.6, gtkhtml 3.14, and you should be able to drop gnome-print
14:47:11 <dbreiser> woohoo
14:47:13 <andi5> warlord, unfortunately i think i did not express my opinion correctly... goffice_with_cairo is not a sufficient indication of goffice 0.5, i.e. a version that will not build with gtkhtml-3.8 and less... :(
14:47:51 <warlord> andi5: So what is the valid test?
14:48:00 <warlord> Does 0.6 work with gtkhtml-3.8?
14:48:29 <andi5> i do not think that
14:48:43 <andi5> but goffice 0.4
14:49:04 <andi5> can we use HAVE_GOFFICE_0_5 which is used inside AC_DEFINE?
14:49:05 <warlord> goffice 0.5 doesn't have cairo
14:49:38 <warlord> Oh, sorry..
14:49:42 <warlord> I see what you mean
14:49:49 <andi5> i think it uses that as default, instead
14:51:06 <warlord> So goffice_with_cairo is defined for > 0.5, but then it's ALSO defined if it can find goffice/graph/gog-renderer-cairo.h
14:51:28 <andi5> indeed
14:52:58 <andi5> weird, i did not receive rainer's first reply...
14:53:34 <warlord> Okay, I've got a better patch coming.
14:54:02 <andi5> ah, mailman does not send the mail once again if it thinks i have received it already... cannot it determine mail server problems when receiving mail?
14:54:04 <andi5> :-D
14:54:28 <warlord> ????
14:54:34 <warlord> okay, new patch committed.
14:54:39 <andi5> thanks...
14:55:15 <andi5> just a bad joke, please ignore it =)
14:56:11 <andi5> thanks!
14:56:37 <warlord> ok
14:56:52 <warlord> Feel free to backport those changes, even though I didn't mark them for BP
14:57:01 <andi5> ack
15:12:26 *** cort has joined #gnucash
15:21:25 *** cortana has quit IRC
15:34:24 *** cort has quit IRC
15:57:47 *** sjc has quit IRC
15:58:52 *** sjc has joined #gnucash
16:01:36 *** dergringo has joined #gnucash
16:01:42 <dergringo> hi :)
16:02:05 <dergringo> how do I remove bills?
16:02:13 <andi5> you burn them?
16:02:49 <dergringo> good idea
16:03:01 <andi5> you are welcome :)
16:03:13 <dergringo> :)
16:03:27 <dergringo> someone serious? ;)
16:03:35 <andi5> google?
16:04:03 <andi5> took me two seconds to confirm what i thought :)
16:05:09 <andi5> ok... so here it is: http://www.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2003-March/006106.html
16:05:39 <dergringo> mhhh thanks
16:05:47 <dergringo> I think burning them is better
16:06:18 <andi5> that is why i mentioned it first ;-)
16:07:01 <dergringo> :)
16:21:21 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
16:47:45 *** tim_abell has joined #gnucash
16:58:57 *** Zoolooc has quit IRC
17:03:32 *** kielein has quit IRC
17:06:46 *** Zoolooc_ has joined #gnucash
17:08:18 *** ErKa has quit IRC
17:11:50 <jrgenolsen> anybody had any positive experiences running gnucash on mac and installing by fink?
17:12:11 <dbreiser> sure. But I'm the fink gnucash maintainer :)
17:13:01 <andi5> dbreiser: so you are the one with the positive experience? i have always known that there must be at least someone ;-)
17:13:08 <dbreiser> yep
17:13:54 <andi5> dbreiser: is aqbanking3 available for fink?
17:14:28 <dbreiser> no, but I've built it, so I can make it available in fink in a couple hours
17:14:47 <andi5> have you ever tried to compile the aqbanking3 gnucash branch?
17:15:11 <dbreiser> not yet. It's on my list as soon as I get frustrated with the sql backend stuff.
17:15:34 <andi5> i guess i will have to push it to more testing soon, so that a aq3-enabled gnucash will land in the to-be-released debian
17:15:34 <dbreiser> (likely to be later today or tomorrow)
17:15:41 <andi5> :-D
17:16:10 <jrgenolsen> i'm having trouble with many crashes and stuff on my system :( was just wondering if it's common
17:16:19 <andi5> but the timing is very suboptimal, given my private life right now...
17:16:48 <dbreiser> jrgenolsen: maybe. some of the really old gnome dependencies do get in the way, especially with printing.
17:17:35 *** Zoolooc_ has quit IRC
17:17:36 <dbreiser> the fink folk are putting the final touches on documentation for 'how to deal with the great gnome update (aka pangocairo branch)
17:17:37 <jrgenolsen> ok :( the best way would be running the windows version through parallels/coherence i guess then :(
17:17:45 <jrgenolsen> at least for now
17:18:00 <jrgenolsen> i wish there were a mac version, using x11 isn't very funny either
17:18:12 <andi5> wow... that sounds strange somehow... given a software that was ported _to_ windows =)
17:18:41 <andi5> jrgenolsen: btw, printing on windows is not really better, right?
17:18:50 <dbreiser> It hurts to hear that. but unfortunately gnucash has given more attention to windows than fink has to modern gnome
17:19:04 <jrgenolsen> hehe i don't know... havent printed anything on windows yet - but i hope it is better
17:19:28 <jrgenolsen> i don't use windows by myself, but i installed it on a friends computer some time ago and it seemed to work ok, also printing
17:19:51 <dbreiser> But fink gettting really close to flipping the switch on gnome modernization (possibly even this week, but I'm usually overly optimistic on such things)
17:19:59 <andi5> lol
17:20:02 <jrgenolsen> heheh
17:20:42 <dbreiser> there are finally 2 of the core developers chaffing to get it done, so more stuff is happening...
17:20:59 <andi5> dbreiser: you are maintaining the whole gwen/ktoblzcheck/chipcard/aq/gnucash fink stack, right?
17:21:05 <dbreiser> yes
17:21:06 <andi5> guile, swig as well?
17:21:12 <dbreiser> no
17:21:28 <andi5> anything else?
17:21:38 <jrgenolsen> happy to talk to You developers out there
17:21:48 <dbreiser> goffice, and a bunch of perl modules
17:21:48 <andi5> i am just lurking... :)
17:21:58 <dbreiser> don't listen to him, he can code
17:22:05 <andi5> goffice, but not gnumeric?
17:22:07 <dbreiser> I'm just a hanger-on
17:22:35 <andi5> what is code?
17:22:51 <dbreiser> not officially, but I have pushed a few versions of gnumeric in pangocairo-branch
17:23:11 <andi5> ah, ok... so basically nobody is really gnumeric stuff as you do gnucash?
17:23:19 <andi5> +doing
17:23:22 <dbreiser> true
17:24:05 <dbreiser> gnumeric had a really rough stretch on mac. most of us avoided using it because stuff didn't work
17:24:15 <andi5> huh..
17:24:22 <dbreiser> works pretty well in modern gnome, though
17:25:08 <dbreiser> I've started seriously considering using it instead of excel
17:25:11 <andi5> is there a quartz-enabled gtk+ already? (it was quartz, right?) ... is that everything that is needed to avoid starting X on mac?
17:25:56 <dbreiser> there is a quartz-enabled gtk+, and it has picked up an active developer, but it isn't quite stable yet
17:26:22 <andi5> ok, cool :)
17:26:45 <dbreiser> given what apple has done to xquartz, I'm more eager to see quartz gtk+
17:27:18 <andi5> yet another plus for gtk+ (gtk++, then)
17:27:34 <dbreiser> now don't go overboard...
17:27:41 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
17:28:06 <andi5> well, gtk+ 3.0 is coming up, beware :)
17:28:22 <dbreiser> I heard that from the fink folk yesterday
17:30:11 <andi5> ok, i suppose it is time for me to quit today... some more aq3 work tomorrow.... have fun!
17:30:52 *** andi5 has quit IRC
17:39:52 *** ErKa has quit IRC
17:48:15 *** ErKa has joined #gnucash
18:03:49 *** dbreiser has quit IRC
18:06:19 *** Chris has joined #gnucash
18:07:01 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
18:08:32 <Chris> hey, i'm back with a new question (while still haven't ditched gnucash :D ) Can someone help me with setting up a simple bank overview (2 banks, no savings accounts) and income / expenses / small other bits cashflow thing...
18:11:04 <Chris> or do you think that a common account will do for me??
18:12:14 <Chris> (and make the savings account a second checking account, as i'm going to swith banks in a few days...)
18:13:10 <Chris> p.s. i haven't ditched gnucash because i couldn't find any other well working personal financial manager
18:17:44 *** ErKa has quit IRC
18:23:45 *** tim_abell_ has joined #gnucash
18:25:21 <Chris> does anybody know how to export a single account?? (like for example checking account)
18:26:04 <tim_abell_> Chris, I use reports/cash flow to keep track of how my accounts are doing
18:26:09 <tim_abell_> but i'm no expert
18:26:36 <tim_abell_> make sure you check out all the available options once yyou
18:26:42 <tim_abell_> have the report open
18:27:15 <Chris> well, the thing is that i started off with a wrong account scheme and want to start over without having to enter all my bank data again (wich took me quite some time....
18:28:10 <Chris> so i just want to export an bank account so that i'm able to import it later....
18:28:24 <Chris> (wich will be only a few minutes apart)
18:28:33 <tim_abell_> that's beyond me i'm afraid. when i switched accounts I simply marked the old accounts as hidden, but that's probably no help
18:29:03 <Chris> nope. it isn't
18:29:18 <Chris> but let's see what we can do for now...
18:29:21 * tim_abell_ is only a user
18:29:33 * Chris is also just a user...
18:29:35 *** Pepe66 has quit IRC
18:29:45 * Chris is even a noob user with gnucash
18:32:02 *** tim_abell_ has quit IRC
18:32:17 *** tim_abell has quit IRC
18:36:23 *** twunder has quit IRC
18:43:45 <Chris> this is wierd. gnu cahs now keeps crashing on me when i want to switch to my other gnucash file
19:00:04 *** dergringo has quit IRC
19:26:57 *** |gunni| has joined #gnucash
19:29:38 *** Chris has quit IRC
19:35:52 *** _gunni_ has quit IRC
19:40:04 *** filip has joined #gnucash
19:41:55 <filip> g'day, i'm trying to include liability payments (specifically home loan payments) to the "Income/Expense Chart" report, but selecting the account from report options doesn't seem to work, as 'net profit' is way too big
20:38:27 *** sjc has quit IRC
20:39:07 *** twunder has joined #gnucash
20:43:09 *** johnf has joined #gnucash
20:44:28 *** twunder has quit IRC
20:46:50 <johnf> Is it possible to work out which invoice a payment was applied to?
20:46:50 <gncbot> johnf: Sent 25 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, and 5 minutes ago: <warlord> Yes, take a look at the payment transaction split into A/R and then look at the Lot and see what transaction belongs in that Lot.
20:49:30 *** |gunni| has quit IRC
20:50:19 <johnf> is that in the actual file or in the GUI we are talking about?
20:51:25 *** |gunni| has joined #gnucash
20:58:35 *** johnf has left #gnucash
21:23:24 *** cortana has joined #gnucash
22:16:59 *** cort has joined #gnucash
22:25:22 *** cortana has quit IRC
23:29:16 *** newway has joined #gnucash
23:29:41 <newway> hello all
23:30:31 <newway> anyone around for me to talk with about gnucash?
23:38:09 *** jcreigh has joined #gnucash
23:40:44 <zarchne> newway: doesn't look like it.
23:42:17 <newway> nope
23:42:50 * zarchne is thinking "boy, installing gnucash, gnucash-doc and gnucash-sql on an empty Debian lenny vserver pulls in a *lot* of stuff, including X-server-related things which should not be needed." But, I need to fry torillas now.
23:43:59 *** newway has quit IRC