2008-08-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:52:59 <holt_kessler> where is GnuCash generally installed to?
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10:32:50 <jsled> gncbot: tell holt_kessler gnucash is generally installed into /usr/, like everything else. Often devs will install into somewhere like /opt/gnucash-dev/ or something, to make it isolated and easy to remove.
10:32:50 <gncbot> jsled: The operation succeeded.
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13:02:40 <tomek> hi, i'm trying to help a bit with a polish translation that is totally sick
13:03:13 <tomek> the file doc/TRANSLATION_HOWTO in 2.2 is wrong, I can't $make gnucash.pot
13:03:41 <tomek> /var/tmp/gnucash/po$ LANG=C make gnucash.pot
13:03:41 <tomek> make: *** No rule to make target `../intl-scm/guile-strings.c', needed by `gnucash.pot'. Stop.
13:03:47 <tomek> someone?
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13:08:44 <tomek> robynbroyles: hi
13:08:52 <tomek> can u help with translating?
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13:09:29 <robynbroyles> tomek: hi, I'm a native English speaker, I don't think I can help translate, maybe a little Spanish
13:10:06 <tomek> polish translation is sick as hell, i must help it
13:10:30 <robynbroyles> I installed GNUcash and it disappeared last week - can't find it on my hard drive! The folder and the data file I created are still there. Do I need to reinstall?
13:10:31 <tomek> i'm doing /var/tmp/gnucash/po$ LANG=C make gnucash.pot like is is said in doc/TRANSLATION_HOWTO
13:11:06 <warlord> robynbroyles: What OS/Distro?
13:11:07 <tomek> robynbroyles: what distro is it?
13:11:22 <warlord> tomek: Did you read http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation ?
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13:12:05 <robynbroyles> Windows Vista, checking the distro but I think it's the one right before the current one
13:12:34 <warlord> "Windows Vista" is enough info. Um, if there's no gnucash in the start menu then you might need to reinstall.
13:12:43 <warlord> It's windows... So who knows what the heck happened to it.
13:13:16 <robynbroyles> 2.2.5
13:13:35 <tomek> robynbroyles: do you still have it in add/remove programs?
13:13:37 <robynbroyles> yeah, I can't help having Vista, it's a work computer and needs to use microsoft
13:14:31 <robynbroyles> under "all programs" I still have a Gnucash folder, but it only contains two HTML links
13:15:10 <robynbroyles> the shortcut disappeared too. But the data file in which I entered all my checking acct info is still there
13:18:09 <robynbroyles> honestly, I'm new to Vista too, we put off upgrading as long as possible. So I am not even very familiar with how to search
13:21:24 <robynbroyles> under "uninstall/change programs" it does not even show up...
13:23:34 <warlord> robynbroyles: sounds like you need to re-install
13:24:58 <robynbroyles> ok thanks, at least I'll get the new version
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13:41:27 <sigbjoo> I'm being used as a "proxy" for paying the electricity bill in my flat. By which I mean that I pay the bills, and get my expenses refunded by my flatmates. What I'd like to do is make an invoice, and instead of crediting the money from an income account, I'd like to credit my electricity expenses account. After all, I haven't actually *spent* 300 on my electricity - I've spent 100, and acted as middle man for the remaining 200. Is there any w
13:42:44 <tomek> hi, I can't compile 2.2 from svn, I get cc1: warnings being treated as errors
13:42:45 <tomek> io-gncxml-v2.c: In function ‘try_gz_open’:
13:42:45 <tomek> io-gncxml-v2.c:1351: error: dereferencing type-punned pointer will break strict-aliasing rules
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13:45:36 <jsled> tomek: run configure again with "--disable-error-on-warning"
13:45:45 <jsled> What version of gcc are you using?
13:46:01 <jsled> sigbjoo: cut off at "any w"
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13:46:36 <sigbjoo> Is there any way I can coax GnuCash into letting me do this?
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13:47:47 <andrewsw> @op
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13:48:37 <tomek> ok, using Debian 4.3.1-2
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13:50:21 <tomek> sigbjoo: i'm know nothing about accounting... but i think you could get -300 on checking account
13:50:42 <tomek> sigbjoo: and then fill it to 0 with payments from flatmates
13:51:40 <jsled> tomek: For the transaction out of your asset account (checking, say) to pay the bill, split your fraction of the expense into the expense account, and the others into "Assets:Money Owed To Me:{Flatmate}" or whatever.
13:51:45 <cortana> sigbjoo: i guess the business features can help with the invoice and tracking the money owed etc.
13:52:16 <andrewsw> aol the jsled suggestion
13:52:18 <cortana> but yes, i just tread such things as loans as jsled suggests
13:52:18 <jsled> you could use the Business features to actually create invoices, but it's probably easier to just use Transaction reports to generate "invoices" for people.
13:52:31 <jsled> Or, just grab the recent balance and pin it to the fridge.
13:52:40 <jsled> (Or their forehead, if they're not paying up on time. :)
13:52:51 <andrewsw> with a stapler
13:52:54 <sigbjoo> I know - but then I'd still have an expense of 300. I want an expense of 100.
13:52:55 <sigbjoo> lol
13:53:09 <jsled> No, you wouldn't. Just split your fraction of the expense into the Expense account./
13:53:42 <tomek> use the Split button when typing in the transaction
13:53:50 <jsled> So it'd be the $300 check you wrote balanced by ($100 into Expenses:Elec. + $100 Assets:Money Owed:Bob + $100 Assets:Money Owed:Jimbo)
13:54:09 <jsled> (or whatever)
13:55:06 <tomek> so it is in assets (potentially in your pocket)
13:55:33 <jsled> Right
13:55:43 <sigbjoo> jsled: Yeah. I realize this is probably what I'll have to do. I'd just *like* to use the business features, but the invoice part won't let me credit anything but Asset, Credit Card or Income accounts.
13:55:49 <jsled> Though if you owe them more than they owe you, it might make sense to put it into Liabilities.
13:56:29 <jsled> Well, when you get their payment, you would want to credit an Asset account — your bank account.
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14:02:40 <robynbroyles> I just reinstalled 2.2.6; now I need help setting my accts up correctly -- originally I set them up wrong & am having trouble editing
14:03:24 <robynbroyles> is it even possible to edit transactions after they have been reconciled?
14:04:05 <sigbjoo> jsled: nm. I figured out gnucash will let me do what I want when I don't use the Edit Invoice, but instead use the basic ledger.
14:04:11 <sigbjoo> Thanks for the help though.
14:04:37 <jsled> you're welcome
14:04:54 <andrewsw> robynbroyles: yes, you can edit transactions after reconcile
14:05:11 <andrewsw> though it's a potential minefield if you aren't careful
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14:10:12 <sigbjoo> I don't know if any of you in here are developers of the application, but if you are, I'd just like to let you know that I'm very impressed by the application so far. I've tried a lot of personal accounting software this summer, and GnuCash strikes an impressive balance between proper accounting features and ease of use. You've done very well.
14:10:36 <sigbjoo> (And) I'm very thankful for it.
14:18:10 <robynbroyles> @andrewsw: I only want to chane the accts in the transfer, & in one case I entered the wrong year
14:18:10 <gncbot> robynbroyles: Error: "andrewsw:" is not a valid command.
14:19:41 <andrewsw> robynbroyles: don't use the "@" in front of my name... that's what caused the error.
14:19:51 <andrewsw> you should have no trouble changing an account or a date.
14:20:20 * andrewsw thinks it's unfortunate that gncbot uses the op status character as it's command character.
14:23:49 <robynbroyles> andrewsw: for some reason all the reconciled transactions are locked - can't edit them - but I can edit the unreconciled ones
14:24:31 <andrewsw> oh. you need to reset that.
14:24:44 <andrewsw> At some point you told it not to allow editting of reconciled txns. let me go look
14:25:07 <jsled> Edit > Reset Warnings, perhaps?
14:25:17 <andrewsw> thanks jsled, that's probably it.
14:26:04 <andrewsw> Actions -> reset warnings
14:33:07 <robynbroyles> thanks, let me try that
14:34:34 <robynbroyles> that did it, thank you for the help
14:40:22 <andrewsw> you're welcome
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17:42:52 <yepla> hi
17:43:22 <yepla> is gnucash based on Finance::Quote ???
17:43:42 <andrewsw> no, it uses finance::quote to get quotes.
17:46:01 <yepla> ok nice
17:46:17 <yepla> i would like know if i can speak of finance::quote here ?
17:46:46 <andrewsw> there are some folks here who know about finance::quote, but I'm not one of them.
17:46:57 <yepla> ok
17:47:11 <andrewsw> the folks around here know about it within the context of getting it to work with gnucash.
17:47:25 <andrewsw> If yo uhave a specific question, you should ask it and wait.
17:47:39 <yepla> ok nice
17:48:05 <yepla> i have a question on finance::quote it return now a wrong value of quote
17:48:18 <yepla> i speak of cac40
17:48:41 <yepla> the markert are close now
17:49:08 <yepla> and when i try to have the last for exemple for ALCATEL-LUCENT (ALU)
17:50:05 <yepla> the tru value is 4.145
17:50:29 <yepla> and finnce::quote give me 4.157712
17:50:40 <yepla> someone have an idea
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17:58:25 <tomek> nope
17:59:14 <yepla> there are some french here ?
18:02:25 <tomek> my friend on IM knows french
18:03:03 <yepla> tomek, he use finance::quote ?
18:03:22 <tomek> nope
18:03:30 <tomek> it is she
18:04:32 <yepla> sorry tomek ?
18:04:35 <tomek> ALU is from french stock exchange?
18:04:55 <yepla> yes
18:05:28 <tomek> 4.157712 is from yestaerday?
18:05:30 <jsled> ALU is a symbole for alcatel-lucent.
18:05:30 <tomek> or when?
18:05:51 <yepla> ALU is a symbole for alcatel-lucent tomek
18:06:12 <yepla> but it s closed today at 4.145
18:06:28 <yepla> or yestarday if you prefer
18:06:30 <tomek> I understand that. is 4.157712 an old value maybe?
18:06:36 <jsled> http://finance.google.com/finance?q=EPA:ALU
18:06:39 <tomek> thanks
18:07:14 <tomek> o god, google finance... i see it for first time
18:07:26 <yepla> jsled, do you know why the value is not good ?
18:07:30 <jsled> no idea.
18:07:40 <yepla> :(
18:08:32 <tomek> is module for EPA default in gnucash?
18:09:00 <tomek> give me please the command line that gives wrong result
18:11:39 <tomek> I get 4.14
18:12:15 <tomek> gnc-fq-dump france alu -> last: 4.14
18:13:48 <yepla> it s my perl script that give me that
18:14:15 <yepla> my %info = $q->fetch("europe", "ALU");
18:15:00 <yepla> print $info{"ALU", "date"} . $info{"ALU", "time"} . $info{"ALU", "name"} . " Last : " . $info{"ALU", "last"};
18:15:18 <yepla> and i use use Finance::Quote;
18:19:07 <andrewsw> perhaps the "europe" source has bad data? try some of the other sources (like "france").
18:20:24 <jsled> 'europe' wasn't working at all, here.
18:20:30 <jsled> (date and currency missing)
18:20:49 <andrewsw> it works here with "ALU" instead of "alu" but reports back in USD.
18:26:47 <tomek> heh
18:26:55 <tomek> I get in EUR
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18:35:42 <holt_kessler> jsled?
18:35:42 <gncbot> holt_kessler: Sent 8 hours and 2 minutes ago: <jsled> gnucash is generally installed into /usr/, like everything else. Often devs will install into somewhere like /opt/gnucash-dev/ or something, to make it isolated and easy to remove.
18:36:04 <jsled> you rang?
18:36:12 <holt_kessler> hi
18:36:41 <holt_kessler> just installed Finance::Quote
18:38:56 <holt_kessler> GnuCash now complains ''...could not obtain the lock for /home/././database.gca'' database in use by another user...''
18:39:33 <jsled> that's usually after the program crashes.
18:39:39 <jsled> (and can't clean up its lock file)
18:39:50 <jsled> Or, maybe, there really is another instance running that validly has the lock file.
18:40:31 * andrewsw needs to finish his lock-file handling for various non-KILL signals...
18:40:36 <holt_kessler> should i open anyway
18:41:15 <holt_kessler> I'm not seein' a gc process anywhere
18:42:33 <holt_kessler> problem is now apparently gone
18:43:07 <holt_kessler> so, tell me, what that was all about, anyone do chime in
18:45:07 <holt_kessler> ooh, now we have crash crash
18:45:22 * holt_kessler curses
18:45:46 <andrewsw> what does the console say?
18:45:52 <andrewsw> (pastebin.ca)
18:46:12 <holt_kessler> console?
18:46:27 <andrewsw> oh. what OS?
18:46:37 <holt_kessler> GNU/Linux
18:46:46 <holt_kessler> Lunar GNU/Linux
18:47:02 <andrewsw> ah. okay, run gnucash from a terminal, not from some menu button.
18:47:15 <holt_kessler> sec
18:47:23 <andrewsw> It will probably throw up the same warning as before, which you can click through.
18:47:55 <andrewsw> If it crashes, it should spew out a lot of stuff to the terminal.
18:48:28 <jsled> holt_kessler: We lock the datafile while running. On file open, we complain if there's a lock file.
18:48:55 <jsled> But if we terminate without cleanup up the lock file, then we'll get that case.
18:49:19 <holt_kessler> ---> bash-3.1$ gnucash gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time. Found Finance::Quote version 1.13 Segmentation fault
18:49:45 <andrewsw> that is all?
18:49:57 <holt_kessler> that seg fault triggers on /tools/Price quote
18:50:10 <andrewsw> oh, not on startup.
18:50:12 <jsled> run it under gdb?
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18:51:07 <jsled> (or attach to it w/in gdb, a bit easier)
18:51:22 <holt_kessler> jsled, gdb
18:51:37 <holt_kessler> gdb?
18:52:16 <jsled> the debugger
18:52:27 <jsled> To get a stack trace at the tiem of the crash.
18:52:34 <jsled> To see where it's crashing.
18:53:00 <andrewsw> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
18:53:50 <andrewsw> get the stack trace and stick it up in pastebin.ca, posting the link here, or put the backtrace up on gnucash-devel.
18:53:55 <andrewsw> I gotta go. good luck
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18:57:46 <yepla> in journey to france it s realtime ?
18:58:31 <jsled> yepla: hmm?
18:58:45 <yepla> quote are in realtime ?
18:59:07 <holt_kessler> jsled, sorry I don't have gdb installed
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19:08:38 <jsled> yepla: quotes are scraped off websites, so it's going to depend on their liveness.
19:09:08 <yepla> ok someone know if the source for france is realtime ?
19:11:10 <jsled> I suggest you look at the sources to see what site that source uses and check it manually.
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19:26:52 <holt_kessler> jsled, Finance::Quote appears installed but we are back to the file lock issue once again, (we ported all our data over to GnuCash --tons of hours of work) should we just recompile -really need to fix this
19:27:02 <jsled> huh?
19:27:17 <jsled> What do you think recompiling will change?
19:28:15 <holt_kessler> Finance::Quote is obviously at the root of the issue don't you think? I don't have gdb
19:28:21 <jsled> no.
19:28:29 <holt_kessler> no
19:28:31 <jsled> Install gdb.
19:28:39 <jsled> Figure out why the crash is happening.
19:28:52 <holt_kessler> gotcha
19:28:53 <jsled> Well, that's not fair.
19:29:07 <holt_kessler> what isn't fair?
19:29:09 <jsled> You installed Finance::Quote, and are seeing a crash doing Tools/Price Quotes, right?
19:29:15 <jsled> (my statement)
19:29:26 <holt_kessler> and the lock issue don't forget
19:29:40 <jsled> So, it's obviously *related* to quotes, but I don't know if it's the root of the issue.
19:29:56 <jsled> I explained the lock issue. If we crash, then we can't remove the lock file.
19:30:00 <jsled> That's a symptom, however.
19:30:13 <holt_kessler> my bad:: assumptions are stupid in my part
19:30:20 <jsled> s/crash/terminate early/
19:30:36 <holt_kessler> are ye a dev
19:30:40 <jsled> ass of u and me, and all that.
19:30:55 <jsled> Of gnucash, in the past, yes.
19:30:55 <holt_kessler> exactly my thoughts
19:31:15 <holt_kessler> ass (of) u (and) me
19:31:28 <holt_kessler> I rem that from logic 101
19:31:51 <jsled> I got that in … 6th grade, I think.
19:32:13 <holt_kessler> nomeata, couldn't be possible
19:32:25 <holt_kessler> wtf
19:32:38 <holt_kessler> my keyboard has a mind of its own
19:32:50 <jsled> yeah, xchat has a bad habbit about nick-completing on ','
19:32:59 <jsled> A bad habit, too.
19:33:13 <holt_kessler> ah, thats what it was
19:33:33 <holt_kessler> well your 6th grade teacher ws very good imho
19:33:47 <holt_kessler> is there a gc-dev irrc
19:33:54 <jsled> This is it.
19:34:26 <holt_kessler> jsled, please go back to gc devin' --its such a great piece of code
19:34:29 <jsled> The easy way with gdb is to start gnucash, figure out it's pid, then (in another terminal or whatever) start gdb and 'attach 12345' at the prompt.
19:34:59 <jsled> heh. Well, at the moment, I need to skedaddle to meet up with some people for dinner. :)
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19:35:21 <holt_kessler> yeah, yeah, no wories there I'm cool with it --just the fuckin' boss is a ms windows freak uknow
19:36:05 <holt_kessler> jsled, have a nice evening
19:36:09 <holt_kessler> salute
19:36:17 <jsled> you too; cheers! :)
19:36:22 <holt_kessler> bye
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