2008-08-18 GnuCash IRC logs

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03:00:20 <nbinont> finally got dbi working under windows
03:00:52 <nbinont> (now that school is out :D )
03:01:19 <nbinont> anyways...patch will follow in the next few days
03:07:58 <nbinont> *checks the changelogs* ...apparently so did Phil
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04:18:53 <nbinont> morning andi5!
04:19:02 <andi5> hi nbinont
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04:41:14 <marc_in_lux> morning
04:41:31 <marc_in_lux> my net worth report seems not to work :-(
04:43:07 <marc_in_lux> it shows liabilities, and net worth opposite of those. no assets
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06:47:21 <paulmathews> hi all
06:47:38 <paulmathews> problem: cannot change start and end dates of accounting period
06:47:51 <paulmathews> defaults to calendar year
06:48:12 <paulmathews> using 2.2.6
07:18:06 <andi5> funny, i just clicked on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548257
07:18:16 <andi5> what operating system?
07:18:52 <paulmathews> windows xp sp2
07:23:55 <andi5> what happens when you press "+"?
07:24:41 <paulmathews> nothing
07:26:11 <paulmathews> when I am in the account period tab in preferences, when I press "+", nothing happends
07:26:59 <andi5> i mean, click the entry where you would enter the date, and press +
07:27:41 <paulmathews> ok, when i do that, it stays at 01/08/2008
07:27:59 <paulmathews> if i clear the date field, and type "+", it reverts to 01/08/2008
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07:28:40 <andi5> so you press "+" and nothing changes? ... do not clear the field beforehand
07:29:25 <paulmathews> nothing changes, as the date currently in the field is 01/08/2008
07:29:40 <paulmathews> the cursor just moves to the start of the field, date stays the same
07:30:54 <andi5> hm... i am not sure whether charles has fixed that already, he may have written about that on one of the mailing lists... please excuse me, i really did not follow the lists recently but i think there was something about something similar in some mail ;-)
07:31:25 <paulmathews> ok, thanks
07:34:08 <andi5> maybe http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545722
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07:37:48 <paulmathews> that didn't work
07:38:32 <paulmathews> when i popped up the calendar, i clicked say 31/12/2007 as start date, the highlighted date stayed at 1/12/2007
07:38:38 <paulmathews> then i closed preferences
07:38:50 <paulmathews> opened back up, the start date was 01/08/2008
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07:52:23 <andi5> yes, the work around may work on some widgets only (there is another bug about the calendar not working only in some of them as well).... but i assume that 2.2.7 will fix it nonetheless.... did it work with 2.2.5?
07:53:07 <andi5> you can set the value with gconftool-2 as well :)
07:53:54 <andi5> open up cmd.exe, and cd into the bin\ directory... it should contain that binary
07:56:18 <andi5> ah well... just ignore me... it will fail as well, probably
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08:48:47 <paulmathews> tried using gconftool-2.exe in the bin\ folder
08:49:07 <paulmathews> nothing happened, it popped up for a second and was gone
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08:59:33 <paulmathews> i'll go back to version 2.2.5, comments on other problems seem to be same as mine
08:59:41 <paulmathews> thanks for help anyhow!
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09:42:42 <warlord> andi5: I'm concerned that we're having so many regressions due to "bug fixes"..
09:42:52 <warlord> It seems like there's way too much stuff being back-ported,
09:43:01 <warlord> and it seems like it's not being audited sufficiently.
09:43:09 <andi5> surely
09:43:30 <andi5> i think i told you about that
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09:44:40 <andi5> i have not read enough mails recently, so i cannot estimate the impact of the latest release completely
09:44:50 <warlord> Keep in mind, you're the gate-keeper. Just because something is marked for backport doesn't mean you need to accept it.
09:45:03 <warlord> This date-bug is pretty bad.
09:45:14 <warlord> nobody can set dates.
09:45:29 <andi5> nobody at all? or windows users?
09:45:54 <andi5> i do not want to discriminate them, i just wonder
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09:46:29 <andi5> regarding gatekeeper: i have never wanted to do that job... and i still hope that you will do it again :)
09:47:03 <warlord> Windows users.
09:47:18 <warlord> I've not seen (or heard about) the problem on Linux or Mac.
09:47:32 <warlord> Actually, I take that back.. I MIGHT have heard about it on Mac.
09:47:41 <warlord> As for discriminating... You need to.
09:47:48 <warlord> (well, "you" == "gatekeeper")
09:47:49 <andi5> the alternative back then was that nothing was backported... i do not want to compare those two, but we probably need something that works, and that scenario definitely will not have me in the position of a gatekeeper :)
09:49:08 <andi5> i lack both, time and skill :) ... where time is rather a matter of priorities, actually
09:49:26 <warlord> You continually underestimate your skillset, Andreas.
09:49:33 <warlord> I've seen your work.
09:49:35 <andi5> anyway, you see the result
09:49:36 <warlord> I believe in you!
09:49:53 <warlord> Hey, everyone makes mistakes. The 2.0 releases had some regressions, too.
09:51:20 <andi5> so maybe we should ask the cores to help a bit, so that this task is distributed a bit more
09:51:46 <andi5> currently only cstim does translation commits :)
09:51:50 <warlord> Sure. Part of the reason to call it "audit" is to get the cores to look at them more.
09:52:11 <warlord> we could ask the cores to spend a little more time to approve patches before they are backported.
09:52:40 <andi5> maybe we need reviewboard?
09:53:49 <warlord> i'm not sure we want something quite that formal
09:53:54 <andi5> oh, and another quick question: do we need 2.2.7 or 2.2.6.1 soon?
09:54:09 <warlord> I think we do, once we fix the date bug.
09:54:54 <andi5> @tell nbinont: is there any chance how have nightly builds from branches/2.2, especially preceeding an upcoming release?
09:54:54 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
09:56:31 <andi5> i do not really know the bug, what i missed and whether i could have detected the mistake (no time to examine it now)... in case it is non-obvious, we need more (windows) pre-release testers
09:57:51 <warlord> * nods *
09:58:25 <andi5> one might say that 2.2.6 is stable is stable and there should be no new problems, but things simply tend to break, even when tackled thoroughly
09:58:31 <andi5> s,2.2.6,2.2.x,
09:59:14 <andi5> just think of a gtk update which i still want to do someday... that will break other stuff again, we just need to know whether it is worth making the update
10:03:13 <warlord> Right.
10:03:48 <warlord> It's a fine line deciding whether something is a bug or a feature.. and whether that fix will stabilize or destabilize the tree.
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10:08:16 <andi5> well, it is rather easy... i will reinforce my pedantism and once i see a potential backport i am unable to decide on, i will ask on the mailing list... when there is no end (or no beginning) of a discussion with result, then there will not be a backport
10:09:13 <andi5> regarding 2.2.7 i will ask on the mailing list once i have sighted the bugs
10:10:33 <warlord> sounds good.
10:10:51 <warlord> and deferring backport auditing to the list is always a good way to deny something ;)
10:11:07 <warlord> "Hey, I'm not sure about this -- can one of you audit it for me to make sure it's okay?"
10:11:32 <warlord> I admit that I am very far behind in reading patches.. I've still got 500 in my queue!
10:16:10 <warlord> ;-)
10:16:29 <jsled> That one at least has an interesting idea.
10:17:51 <andi5> but it can be addictive :(
10:20:17 <warlord> hmm.. interesting. So basically programs are managed by a symlink farm from /usr/bin/foo -> /Programs/foo/<version>/bin/foo ?
10:24:24 <andi5> yep, /usr/bin is /bin is /System/Links/Executables, all will work... those links directories contain symlinks only
10:25:36 <warlord> * nods *
10:26:10 <andi5> there are other nice, smaller features you see when looking twice: /S/L/Tasks, /S/L/Environment, installing multiple x versions in parallel and switching between them, well it is fun ;-)
10:28:06 <andi5> well, the design simply hits my personal taste almost perfectly :) ... the same holds for the tools the distro is based on
10:28:38 <warlord> okay
10:28:42 <andi5> otoh, it is not ubuntu, and (never?) will be
10:47:03 <todd> next they'll fork linux distros over the black & white vs white & black on console
10:50:14 <warlord> LOL
10:50:28 <warlord> white on black takes less energy.
10:50:46 <todd> for crt's. I'm not so sure for lcd's.
10:51:51 <warlord> for lcds it's unclear. The backlight is running either way. But I still think that the 'default' twist is black, so I /suspect/ that a black screen uses less energy than a white. But I dont know for sure.
10:51:51 <todd> in any event, my eyes have been trained to like black bg white text, not sure why some ppl prefer white (or light) backgrounds on black text; well I know why, they want their screen to represent paper. but it is not paper, and ETOOMUCHINFO imho, the more pixels are black the better imho ;-)
10:52:46 <warlord> I used to keep a white-on-black, but when I swapped over to gnome/metacity I didn't want to go hunt for all the controls to swap it around again. ETOOLAZY
10:57:08 <andi5> turn_on_white_on_black() returns ECOLOR here (equivalent to ETOOYOUNG)
11:10:14 <warlord> BIAW
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13:20:30 <donfede> q
13:22:19 <warlord> p
13:26:52 <todd> o
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13:50:00 <fell> Hi, I try to write something in german about securities. But I don't see the difference between AMEX, NYSE, NASDAQ in relation to F::Q.
13:53:44 <warlord> they are just a few of the default namespaces you can use to manage your securities. There is nothing special about those strings except that they pre-exist.
13:54:47 <fell> warlord: THX.
13:55:57 <warlord> you're welcome
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14:27:57 <fell> BTW, is there some reason, why this strings are not translateable?
14:32:22 <fell> see-g: about http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2008/08/2008-08-17.html#T09:06:08, you succeeded?
14:41:35 <see-g> I did not get to work on it ... my sister had some other job for me
14:43:02 <fell> yes, this little sisters ;). Some hints could be in https://lists.gnucash.org/search/de/?query=gnucash-docs&submit=Suche%21&max=20&result=normal&sort=score&idxname=gnucash-de
14:43:43 <fell> ... if there is some time again.
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16:15:12 <see-g> well ... actually, I'm too lazy to figure anything out now that I've got some time
16:16:06 <see-g> I'll get busy on the First Steps-thingy now, that's just copy'n'paste'n'translate'n'post, only little actual thinking required
16:16:30 <see-g> and for now I still have dad's comp running GnuCash in german sitting next to me
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16:19:00 <andrewsw> .
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16:45:35 <andrewsw> Anyone familiar at all with report -> html-export? Is there any translation happening or is it just writing the report html straight to disk?
16:48:22 <warlord> It asks GtkHTML to return the HTML and then writes it out. So, it's not regenerated, nor is it necessarily the HTML that GnuCash feeds into GtkHTML
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16:55:37 <andrewsw> thanks warlord.
16:55:43 <warlord> np
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19:11:00 <jcarter> Not too busy today, eh Warlord?
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19:55:44 <warlord> jcarter: :-P
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