2020-02-25 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:01:51 <gjanssens> fell_laptop: fyi I have pushed another fix for the documentation on windows. Builds correctly now on my local Windows VM.
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08:21:47 <fell> gjanssens: Can you trigger a new windows build? That from 2020-02-25 03:02 warlord time failed and I would like to announce aqbanking 6.1.1.
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09:04:13 <gjanssens> fell_laptop: ok, build started
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09:04:37 <fell> thanks!
09:05:01 <gjanssens> BTW the nightly master was locked up at 897 of 900-something. I have canceled it.
09:09:40 <warlord> gjanssens, That's a guile step, isn't it? It locked up around there last time, too.
09:11:53 <gjanssens> warlord: yes, it has happened before and it's always in a guile step
09:12:11 <warlord> I wonder why?
09:12:21 <gjanssens> guile on Windows (or in mingw at least) is pretty fragile
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09:24:14 <warlord> I wonder if there is some way to watch-dog it?
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11:04:27 <gjanssens> Hmm, the build got stuck again, this time while generating a swig wrapper...
11:04:39 <gjanssens> maint branch this time.
11:04:45 <gjanssens> Restarting once more...
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11:38:09 <warlord> I wish there were some way to auto-detect a stuck build
11:40:44 <fell> gjanssens: Until now I have rejectet dropping cents from currencies, because for me it is not clear what will with old books or accounts written before the reform.
11:41:10 <fell> ... happen ...
11:43:40 <fell> IMHO we would need to rewrite parts of the currency system: differntiate cash (no decimals) and book money (still decimals); additional time ranges (decimals got dropped at ...)
11:47:22 <warlord> fell, why drop cents?
11:47:32 <fell> your last commit
11:47:48 <warlord> A currency can already decide its smallest denomination, which makes sense.
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11:49:40 <fell> Example IDR: smallest coin 100, but bank accounts still have sen (1/100).
11:50:27 <fell> Some countries dropped decimals after some inflation.
11:51:32 * warlord isnt sure what would happen to existing data if the underlying currency SCU changed.
11:51:41 <fell> So XXX_2019 might have dacimals, but XXX_2020 not.
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11:52:48 <warlord> yes, but do we really want two IDR currencies?
11:53:11 <warlord> I wouldn't think so. 10,000 IDR_2019 == 10,000 IDR_2020
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12:20:01 <gjanssens> Stuck again :(
12:20:22 <gjanssens> Once more at generating the same swig file.
12:20:31 <gjanssens> Unfortunately I have to leave so I can't debug right now.
12:20:59 <warlord> HOw weird. Maybe we need a clean build tree?
12:23:59 <gjanssens> That's the next thing to try indeed. I have removed the build directory for gnucash-git and restarted. Let's see what happens.
12:24:38 <gjanssens> I do notice the Windows build is trying the generate swig wrappers for python as well although it doesn't support python bindings.
12:24:38 <fell> warlord: The problem is the rounding: 1987 VND should respect xu (decimals), VND-2014 not, if Longs information is right..
12:24:44 <gjanssens> Something to clean up at some point.
12:25:40 <gjanssens> Gtg now
12:25:53 <gjanssens> Bye!
12:26:08 <fell> Bye, Geert!
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12:38:32 <leolein> fell: Mal eine ganz andere Frage zum GUI von gnucash:
12:38:51 <fell> Schieß los!
12:39:47 <leolein> Weshalb kann man die Fensterbreite nicht mehr kleiner als 1229 verringern?
12:41:10 <leolein> Das ist glaub nur in Verbindung mit flatpak so, kann das sein? Und was kann ich wo tun, damit das wieder möglich ist?
12:41:47 <fell> Da war kürzlich was. Muß ich suchen ...
12:42:24 <fell> Aktualisier mal dein Flatpak ud sag, ob es dann immer och der Fall ist.
12:43:03 <leolein> Mich stört das schon seit ich flatpak nutze(n muss), ist also seither und mit allen flatpak und flatpak-gnucash versionen so
12:46:33 <leolein> openh264 benötigt man zwingend?
12:47:05 <leolein> das ist nämlich nicht installiert lt. meldung durch 'flatpak update'
12:47:25 <leolein> Ansonsten keine Aktualisierungen gefunden
12:51:46 <fell> h264 ist glaube ich ein Audio- oder Video-Codec. Das brauchst du nicht.
12:52:15 <fell> Von den Nightlies, nicht den Releases.
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12:53:24 <leolein> ?
12:53:49 <fell> Siehe https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Flatpak#Testversion_von_Gnucash.org
13:01:35 <warlord> fell, sure, but I'm assuming that the change in gnucash would happen well after the real-life change. It's not like you would expect to be entering in 2014 transactions in 2020. So changing it for current-and-future entry is fine. My biggest question is what happens to existing data?
13:01:45 <warlord> .. which should not necessarily be rounded, I don't think.
13:02:01 <warlord> (this only applies to changes of SCU)
13:03:43 <leolein> fell: Folgen kann ich Dir grad irgendwie nicht
13:04:06 <leolein> Das was auf der Seite steht dachte ich verstanden zu haben.
13:04:12 <leolein> Was Du mir sagen möchtest jedoch nicht
13:06:45 <fell> leolein: Du mußt neben flathub.org auch https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/gnucash-nightlies.flatpakrepo in deinem Flatpak registrieren, um an die nightlies zu kommen.
13:07:47 <leolein> Das hab ich gemacht
13:08:06 <leolein> sollte anschliessend ein 'flatpak update' was neues finden?
13:08:47 <leolein> Wenn ja, dann ist es bei mir wohl schon die neueste Version installiert. Denn es werden keine Aktualisierungen angezeigt die ich installieren könnte
13:09:15 <fell> und in 'sudo flatpak install ...' natürlich die heutige Datei angeben.
13:12:37 <fell> Warlord: I have to search, if the SCU bug was fixed. Jralls looked in it at last.
13:12:43 <leolein> maint-C3.8b-167-g9df290da7-D3.8b-16-g4b8578b?
13:13:10 <fell> leolein: ja.
13:14:24 <leolein> ok
13:20:11 <leolein> Jetzt machte es klick. Entschuldige. Knoten gelöst.
13:21:14 <leolein> Und die Frage ist beantwortet. Jetzt ist die Fensterbreite wieder flexibel. Danke.
13:22:02 <leolein> fell: Für die gewohnt schnelle und erfolgreiche Hilfe: Herzlichen Dank.
13:23:07 <fell> Mach ich doch Immer wieder gerne!
13:23:42 <fell> Hast du eine Idee, wie wir das im Wiki deutlicher machen können?
13:28:38 <leolein> Hm. Evtl. hilft es dem Leser wenn man gnucash und flatpak nicht als "ein Ding" beschreibt. Mich jedenfalls irritiert das immer wieder etwas. Ich hatte mit flatpak zuvor nix zu tun.
13:29:41 <leolein> Klar, meine lange Nutzererfahrung mit debian sollte mir da eigentlich eher helfen statt mich zu behindern. Andere haben diese evtl. nicht
13:31:34 <leolein> Der Lesbarkeit und dem Verständnis könnte es helfen wie man flatpak als solches installiert und anschliessend wie man nun gnucash-flatpaks (also die feritgen gnucash-päckchen) installiert
13:32:16 <leolein> so wie es jetzt da steht ist es für nicht so erfahrene schwer zu erkennen, dass es sich hier um zwei verschiedene dinge handelt... oder?
13:32:58 <leolein> Ich war erst nicht sicher was Du meinst, also welche Version von was und welche ich von welchem holen sollte
13:33:07 <fell> Steht doch eigentlich im Abstract über dem Inhaltsverzeichnis, oder?
13:33:28 <leolein> ja.
13:34:01 <leolein> Unter Installation ist das aber dann in Einem zusammengefasst als "Testversion von GnuCash.org
13:34:04 <leolein> "
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13:35:44 <leolein> Ich fänd es verständlicher wenn das etwas "entzerrt" würde. Wenn jedoch nur ich damit Verständnisprobleme habe, dann liegt es eher an mir.
13:36:15 <fell> Ah, ja. Andererseits hat doch flathub für die stabilen eine Anleiung, oder?
13:37:12 <leolein> Die stabile Version ist doch eher unbrauchbar geworden oder nicht?
13:38:40 <fell> Die ist sinvoll für Ubuntu-LTS Benutzer, die sonst noch auf dem 2.6.x-Zweig wären.
13:39:26 <leolein> aber lt. euerm wiki ist die für PSD2 ungeeignet?
13:40:13 <fell> PSD2 ist nur für Deutschland/FinTS wichtig.
13:40:59 <leolein> Hm. Stimmt.
13:41:45 <fell> Andere mögen Aqbanking garnicht oder mit paypal, ofx, ... nutzen
13:43:22 <leolein> :-)
13:44:46 <leolein> Ich glaub so ein geiles (verzeihung für den Ausdruck) Stück Software wie gnucash ist ganz sicher gar nicht einfach international funktionstüchtig zu machen und zu halten.
13:45:54 <leolein> (inkl. dem was dafür benötigt wird wie z. b. aqbanking)
13:48:16 <fell> Manchmal beißt sich die Katze in den Schwanz. ;-)
13:51:29 <leolein> Der Support ist zudem aus meiner Sicht bestens. :-)
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15:11:58 <fell> warlord: I am missing messages in https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2020-February/date.html#start
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15:15:31 <fell> I believe, todays message from Tom Hatzigeorgiou <tomhatz@hotmail.com> was not intended to go public.
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15:20:03 <warlord> fell, what messages are you missing?
15:21:03 <fell> today from above address
15:21:49 <fell> At least the attachment should not be public.
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15:23:23 <fell> I don't know if it is still in the mod queue.
15:27:02 <warlord> Must be, because I don't see it.
15:27:10 <warlord> They should be able to cancel public posting.
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16:32:24 <warlord> fell_laptop, sent you a response.
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18:43:00 <jralls> warlord: Changing an SCU will have no affect at all on existing transactions, though they'll display rounded to the nearest whole value.
18:44:21 <jralls> warlord: But the change fell is complaining about is for Vietnamese Dong, VND, and it changed in 2003. It's very unlikely that anyone was using GnuCash with VND then.
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