2020-04-21 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:01:33 <chris> warlord: ok created beta branch in my github
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04:05:33 <warlord> chris, okay, I will work on building the builder today
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06:02:51 <warlord> OOPS, gjanssens-travelling , chris -- flatpak dies because there is no "beta" branch in gnucash-docs.
06:03:51 <warlord> Ah, looks like I can supply -d master to force that.
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06:13:25 <chris> thx looking forward to outcome
06:13:50 <chris> biab
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06:31:31 <warlord> dependency failure:
06:31:32 <warlord> Downloading https://www.aleksey.com/xmlsec/download/xmlsec1-1.2.26.tar.gz
06:31:32 <warlord> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 --:--:-- 0:00:01 --:--:-- 0
06:31:32 <warlord> Failed to download sources: module xmlsec: The requested URL returned error: 404
06:31:32 <warlord> Not Found
06:34:05 <warlord> strangely, the build-log got "uploaded" to a directory named "master"
06:37:53 <warlord> looks like 1.2.26 is no longer available in that directory, only 28, 29, and 30
06:44:18 <warlord> Interesting; the build-log gets installed into the docs_revision directory.
06:44:40 <warlord> (I changed from -d master to -d maint, and now the build-log is under maint!)
06:44:57 <warlord> Although still failed to download xmlsec 1.2.26
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06:53:24 <warlord> Hey chris. build is failing due to a missing dependency (looking for an old version of xmlsec)
06:53:42 <warlord> Logs are getting uploaded to the docs_revision subdir
06:53:58 <warlord> (which is non-intuitive)
06:54:40 <warlord> Also, for some reason, it's thinking that your branch is version 2.6.17?
06:55:08 <warlord> Creating new flatpak [gnucash=2.6.17b-5257-g3d99c7520, gnucash-docs=3.10-2-g5a09190]
06:55:30 <warlord> Not sure what's up with that. And gjanssens-travelling isn't around.
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07:07:57 <warlord> Ah, and there is gjanssens
07:08:11 <warlord> your ears must've been ringing.
07:09:46 <gjanssens> Let me read the logs...
07:10:54 <warlord> Sure. I just sent 2 emails to -devel as well
07:11:38 <gjanssens> Ok
07:13:14 <gjanssens> The build is named 2.6.17b because that's the most recent tag that's in chris' github repo
07:14:38 <gjanssens> @tell chris can you check whether all tags are in your local repo, and if so, run (git push --tags <your remote> ?
07:14:38 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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07:18:03 <warlord> What about the xmlsec dep?
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07:21:13 <warlord> And chris is back
07:22:05 <chris> ok just pushed tags.
07:22:05 <gncbot> chris: Sent 7 minutes ago: <gjanssens> can you check whether all tags are in your local repo, and if so, run (git push --tags <your remote> ?
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07:22:33 <gjanssens> warlord: I have pushed a fix for the counterintuitive choice of directory
07:22:50 <warlord> gjanssens, thanks.
07:22:59 <gjanssens> If you now build with different branches checked out in code and docs, the code branch will be used as directory
07:23:09 <warlord> Cool.
07:23:10 <gjanssens> Time for lunch...
07:23:20 <warlord> I'll wait for the dependency fix before I try to rebuild.
07:23:34 <warlord> (or it will retry in 18 hours)
07:34:29 <fell> warlord: in my aqbanking.json it is https://www.aleksey.com/xmlsec/download/xmlsec1-1.2.26.tar.gz
07:35:47 <warlord> fell, that file is no longer available.
07:35:58 <warlord> it might be available in the older_releases subdir
07:36:07 <warlord> only 28,29, and 30 are available at that URL
07:37:44 <fell> Our build envs have cached it
07:41:14 <fell> So at least our Flatpak builds have not failed.
07:45:31 <warlord> right, but a new flatpak build will.
07:47:38 <chris> this whole thing is quite a headache
07:49:31 <warlord> I dont understand why it's not finding the existing cache
07:53:40 <warlord> Okay, just copied the cached version.. It didn't find it because I built a new flatpak directory and therefore it doesn't share the .flatpak-build cache
07:55:08 <warlord> Hmmm... failed again:
07:55:10 <warlord> error: Unable to allocate instance id
07:55:10 <warlord> Error: module gc: Child process exited with code 1
07:55:17 <warlord> gjanssens, any ideas?
07:57:28 <gjanssens> warlord: I have pushed an update to gnucash-on-flatpak for xmlsec
07:57:49 <warlord> gjanssens, thanks.
07:57:50 <gjanssens> The updated xmlsec package builds well on my system
07:58:14 <warlord> Okay, but that shouldn't be an issue, and doesn't appear to be my current failure.
07:59:18 <warlord> gjanssens, take a look at the clam beta build-log. It quits quickly with the "unable to allocate instance id" error
08:01:03 <gjanssens> It may be your cache is interfering ?
08:01:32 <gjanssens> Can you restart without the cache .flatpak-build and with my updated repo ?
08:01:42 <warlord> Sure..
08:02:54 <warlord> Deleted the .flatpak-build dir and re-starting
08:03:10 <gjanssens> Will take a bit more time of course...
08:03:52 <warlord> yep
08:04:28 <warlord> And looks like chris pushed the tags
08:04:53 <warlord> Nope, same error.
08:05:20 <warlord> Committing stage init to cache
08:05:20 <warlord> Starting build of org.gnucash.GnuCash
08:05:20 <warlord> ========================================================================
08:05:20 <warlord> Building module gc in /home/gnucash-docs/flatpak-clam/.flatpak-builder/build/gc-1
08:05:20 <warlord> ========================================================================
08:05:20 <warlord> error: Unable to allocate instance id
08:05:22 <warlord> Error: module gc: Child process exited with code 1
08:05:24 <warlord> Uploading log file 'build-beta-2020-04-21-08-01-56.log'
08:05:26 <warlord> Removing initial startup build log uploaded earlier
08:07:11 <gjanssens> Hmm, no idea then...
08:07:17 <gjanssens> I'll have to search for this
08:20:20 <gjanssens> The error doesn't seem to come from the gc sources
08:21:44 <gjanssens> What version of Fedora are you currently on ?
08:32:20 <fell> gjanssens, jralls: I wonder if we should use one source of xmlsec for all builds.
08:32:46 <fell> Win is on 1.2.28 from github.
08:34:04 <fell> flatpak now on 1.2.29 from aleksey.com
08:34:18 <gjanssens> fell: I have just chosen the most recent release
08:34:44 <gjanssens> We don't control dependencies anyway - each distro can have a different version
08:35:11 <fell> Yeah and I was considering to appy it on windows, too.
08:35:29 <fell> I meant only our bundles.
08:37:26 <gjanssens> Feel free to update on Windows as well.
08:38:06 <gjanssens> SF is giving me poor connections. My flatpak dependency downloads continue to time out :(
08:48:45 <warlord> gjanssens, Fedora release 29 (Twenty Nine)
09:03:18 <chris> iirc guix is meant to help with these dependencies... there's also a guix-to-flatpak converter which is supposed to help. but I cannot understand guix at all.
09:03:35 <chris> instead of dll-hell this is dependency-hell right?
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09:11:10 <gjanssens> chris: I don't think this is a dependency issue. Depencencies have been resolved.
09:11:32 <gjanssens> It looks more like a build environment mismatch
09:11:57 <gjanssens> Though I have not seen this before so it's hard to tell.
09:12:18 <warlord> But it USED to be able to build these deps. I wonder if I should just copy the .flatpak-build dir from the main repo?
09:12:19 <gjanssens> I'm trying to do a build from scratch to see what happens but my dependencies won't download
09:13:13 <warlord> I'm just copying .flatpak-builder
09:13:43 <gjanssens> Ok
09:14:19 <gjanssens> warlord: note I don't get the notices you have in your build logs about .local/share not in XDG_DATA_DIRS
09:14:34 <gjanssens> So your environment is different from mine in several ways
09:15:01 <gjanssens> I suspect this is due to an older flatpak tool.
09:15:20 <gjanssens> I don't remember jralls running into this when he set up for the flathub builds
09:15:45 <gjanssens> Boost download at 30% and slowly increasing...
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09:17:39 <warlord> Yeah, I've got 1.0.7
09:18:44 <warlord> Or at least thats what I expect is there; it's still copying .flatpak-builder!
09:19:13 <warlord> Oh, no, it's only got 1.0.3 installed; I could update that..
09:24:08 <gjanssens> Fedora 31 is now at flatpak 1.4.3
09:24:38 <gjanssens> Though I have no idea what impact that can have
09:24:40 <warlord> I dont want to upgrade code.
09:24:46 <gjanssens> :)
09:25:00 <warlord> Wow. LOTS of dependencies.. du -sh ../flatpak/.flatpak-builder/
09:25:00 <warlord> 27G ../flatpak/.flatpak-builder/
09:25:12 <gjanssens> You could consider containerizing those things...
09:25:30 <warlord> I wonder if I should ln the .flatpak-builder directory to share it between the main and chris' trees?
09:25:43 <warlord> I doubt there is any harm in sharing that?
09:25:47 <gjanssens> I'm not sure that's safe
09:26:51 <gjanssens> It's not just file storage, it also holds internal state IIUC
09:27:08 <gjanssens> I don't know if you can mix that for two completely independent builds.
09:27:09 <warlord> :(
09:27:30 <warlord> I tried to copy it (not link it).. It did get further into the build, but:
09:27:31 * gjanssens is not that familiar with flatpak
09:27:41 <warlord> (flatpak-builder:22993): flatpak-builder-ERROR **: 09:26:26.051: Failed to check out cache: Opening content object d058f89d8a0125a88a10c59a1f23119a2a5620a6bfcf518af10cb6fe0032049b: fgetxattr: No data available
09:27:49 <warlord> Let me upgrade the flatpak-builder..
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09:28:44 <warlord> .. and start from an empty .flatpak-builder dir again...
09:30:23 <gjanssens> Ok
09:30:41 <gjanssens> How did you set up the base directory ? Did you also copy that from the main build ?
09:30:54 <gjanssens> Or did you start from scratch ?
09:33:38 <warlord> So I've got two parallel dirs: flatpak and flatpak-beta
09:33:54 <warlord> the former is the current build, the latter is the new one for chris
09:34:41 <warlord> I did a mkdir src in flatpak-beta and then git-clone the 3 repos, -docs and -on-flatpak from code, and the main code from chris' github
09:35:00 <warlord> Then I set custom.sh to change the target destination directory.
09:35:06 <warlord> And then I ran build_package.sh
09:35:10 <warlord> ... and it fails.
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09:37:34 <warlord> As a test I did try to copy flatpak/.flatpak-builder to flatpak-beta
09:38:00 <warlord> That got me further along, but still died with an error (albeit a different error)
09:38:11 <warlord> Going back to an empty dir and it dies trying to build gc
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09:41:51 <gjanssens> Deps got finally downloaded.
09:42:01 <gjanssens> And it builds gc just fine :( / :)
09:42:14 <warlord> :(
09:42:23 <warlord> What distro/fp-builder version?
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09:52:26 <warlord> gjanssens, is there any way to get flatpak to be more verbose?
09:53:37 <gjanssens> I'm currently on fedora 31
09:54:00 <gjanssens> flatpak-builder 1.0.9
09:54:32 <gjanssens> warlord: you can get more details by setting -v to the flatpak-builder command
09:54:36 <warlord> Hmm. Do you have a fc29 VM you could use to test?
09:54:49 <gjanssens> I believe that's called in functions.sh somewhere
09:54:56 <gjanssens> I don't have a fc29 VM
09:54:59 <warlord> Okay, that requires editing the build_package script, I suspect, unless there's an Env Var I could use.
09:55:35 <gjanssens> I don't see env vars documented in the man page
09:56:52 <warlord> Okay, edited build_package and added -v
09:59:31 <warlord> gjanssens, can you check out the most recent build-log?
10:00:47 <warlord> There still doesn't seem to be sufficient verbosity for me to understand what's going on.
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10:07:07 <warlord> AND.... The issue was the XDG errors, because I wasn't running from a "login shell". Change the way I su'd to the builder and now it's working...
10:07:09 <warlord> *SIGH*
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10:13:10 <gjanssens> Wow. Good find.
10:13:37 <warlord> Yeah.. I knew it had to be something STUPID..
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10:20:09 <warlord> chris, your beta build is building now.. Probably will take a couple hours to build all the deps.
10:28:11 <chris> thanks so much warlord
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11:10:39 <warlord> chris, you're welcome.
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11:55:40 <warlord> chris, build is complete.
11:56:15 <warlord> flatpakref is online for your usage.
11:56:30 <warlord> And your code will get rebuild nightly if there are changes.
11:56:46 <warlord> gjanssens, what will happen to the FP build if the target branch doesn't exist?
11:57:24 <gjanssens> warlord: I think it will just stop at that point
11:59:08 <gjanssens> The build script has "set -e" set which means it will abort on the first error.
11:59:19 <gjanssens> The only thing it will still do is upload a build log if there is one
11:59:30 <warlord> ok.
12:00:28 <gjanssens> So here's a competely different question...
12:01:01 <warlord> 42
12:01:09 <warlord> sorry, jumped to answer. ;)
12:01:11 <gjanssens> LOL
12:01:30 <gjanssens> I am about to start a project (not gnucash related at all) which will involve developmen of a mobile app on tablet
12:01:43 <gjanssens> I have never done any android or ios development at all
12:01:58 <gjanssens> I'm curious if others here have touched it
12:02:07 <gjanssens> As I have no idea which platform to target
12:02:26 <warlord> I did some android and ios development about 7+ years ago. It's been a very long time since then.
12:02:43 <gjanssens> It will be for my wife's shop
12:04:11 <gjanssens> They want some integration such that they can easily take pictures to link directly to one of the products sold, or when a product enters for repair to make a picture of it to attach to the customer's account
12:04:15 <gjanssens> Things like that.
12:04:31 <gjanssens> We were experimenting with this earlier today
12:04:53 <gjanssens> All I have is a 7 year old 10" android tablet
12:05:01 <gjanssens> They found it fairly small
12:05:15 <gjanssens> I looked around but only Apple has bigger tablets
12:05:38 <gjanssens> (Ignoring the Windows Surface pro stuff or Chromebooks)
12:06:15 <gjanssens> I initially thought of using a Dell laptop but it doesn't have an integrated camera, making the above usecase pretty clumsy
12:06:31 <gjanssens> How was your experience with both platforms warlord ?
12:06:38 <gjanssens> Which one did you like better?
12:06:56 <warlord> ios is via xcode. android lets you use different IDEs but most people use Eclipse.
12:07:13 <gjanssens> I do realize if I would go the iPad route, I'm pretty sure to have to buy an apple laptop or desktop to be able to do any development
12:07:19 <warlord> It was so long ago I really don't have an opinion now. I'm sure the tools have changed.
12:07:28 <warlord> Yes, that is the case.
12:07:31 <gjanssens> For Android I can do it from my linux box...
12:07:36 <warlord> You need a Mac to program an iPad.
12:07:38 <warlord> correct.
12:07:46 <gjanssens> Tough decision :(
12:07:51 <warlord> For android you can use any platform; it's generally Java.
12:08:02 <warlord> (although you can compile native code).
12:08:12 <gjanssens> I'll have to do some more research
12:08:14 <warlord> So you can do android dev on mac or linux (or windows). iPad dev requires Mac.
12:08:55 <gjanssens> But thanks for your feedback anyway
12:12:10 <gjanssens> Regardless of the platform I choose it should provide me with some base experience to push the gnucash on mobile objective a bit forward ;)
12:17:14 <warlord> yeah.
12:59:13 <fell> BTW, gjanssens, I believethis guy meant you: https://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2020/04/20.html#T13:47:24
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13:12:49 <gjanssens> fell: I believe so but haven't had a chance yet to reply to him. I think he's on the devel list as well
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14:22:14 <finster> hello. gnucash docs mention that one needs root privs (via sudo) to install and run Finance::Quote or more general the gnc-fq-* suite of programs. Is there a way around becoming root? apar from a security perspective it's plain uncomfortable to always assume root privs
14:22:38 <finster> asking for gnucash 3.10 on osx 10.15.4
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14:32:51 <fell> Finster, installing is a privileged process, but not running. please try 'gnc-fq-dump' on a console.
14:33:36 <finster> fell: bails out with insufficient permissions
14:34:16 <finster> bleh
14:34:20 <fell> Then you have to wait for jralls.
14:34:46 <fell> He is the Macos expert.
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14:36:59 <finster> fell: alright, thanks so far!
14:50:53 <warlord> finster, you need root to install, but not use.
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15:24:03 <ocoChili> Hey there. Is here anyone with aqbanking experience?
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15:24:53 <jralls> gjanssens: iOS development is squarely aimed at distribution through the Apple App Store. You can set up up to 50 devices for testing but that somewhat messes them up for other uses.
15:26:45 <jralls> finster: MacOS has sudo. If your id is configured to administer the computer in System Preferences you're all set up.
15:27:03 <jralls> ocoChili: For what value of experience?
15:27:51 <jralls> gjanssens: Why are you ruling out the M$ Surface?
15:28:02 <ocoChili> I just want to start with RAH-10 typed hbci banking; my german bank does not allow anonymous server key retrieval. what shall i do instead
15:28:50 <jralls> ocoChili: Best place for that kind of question is the gnucash-de mailing list, gnucash-de@lists.gnucash.org.
15:30:30 <finster> warlord, jralls: in theory, what you write makes sense. in practice, i stil get a permission error
15:30:41 <finster> my user is allowed to administer the mac computer
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15:31:15 <jralls> And what happens if you say `sudo cpan -i Finance::Quote`?
15:33:13 <finster> Runs installation of that cpan module again
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15:34:43 <finster> i'll have to leave for today. will report back tomorrow probably
15:36:44 <gjanssens> jralls: I have no Windows development experience other than our msys setup for gnucash and frankly don't feel like learning more about it.
15:36:51 <gjanssens> Thanks for the insights on iOS
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15:37:46 <jralls> Is this for a one-off for the shop or to distribute to customers?
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15:38:34 <gjanssens> One-off for the shop
15:38:43 <gjanssens> I think 5 or six tablets at most
15:39:51 <jralls> So you could go with the testing/internal distribution arrangement.
15:40:51 <gjanssens> I coudl yes
15:40:55 <gjanssens> *could
15:41:19 <gjanssens> I would have to buy an apple laptop or desktop next to it as well though
15:41:27 <jralls> Incidentally, cult-of-mac, one of the apple rumor sites, said yesterday that an iPadOS version of Xcode is in the works. If they're right it will probably be available in early June, when they have their developer conference.
15:41:57 <jralls> So maybe you wouldn't need the Mac.
15:42:02 <gjanssens> Hmm indeed
15:42:14 <gjanssens> Anyway, time to leave
15:42:21 <gjanssens> Good night!
15:42:27 <jralls> Good night!
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