2020-12-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:40:55 <warlord> .
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09:15:48 <field^Zzz2> ping
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14:20:19 <warlord> jralls, that's odd... I can reach it... and gncbot just came back. WEIRD.
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14:22:05 <jralls> Yeah, I can reach it now too. Must have been a router hiccup somewhere. Traceroute still goes to stars though.
14:22:34 <warlord> Does it not continue the hop after that?
14:23:43 <warlord> I'm not sure what happened...
14:25:27 <jralls> Nope, now it's one set of stars and then code responds.
14:26:10 <jralls> IIRC the stars are your ihtfp tunnel that's never responded to ICMP.
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14:32:49 <jralls> I guess it takes a minute for gncbot to notice that it can rejoin.
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15:01:36 <warlord> jralls, I dont see why it's having issues. I'm not noticing issues on my side of the network..
15:04:20 <jralls> OK, but that's what you'd expect isn't it? It might be something to do with the connection between coresite and the tunnel which wouldn't be anything you could see from there, nor do anything about. It's been stable for 1/2 hour so maybe it's resolved.
15:05:51 <warlord> I could see if via a ping outbound ... which I am doing on another host.
15:10:56 <jralls> But did you try during one of the outages? They were only 2 for 4-5 minutes each ~5 minutes apart based on gncbot disconnect/connect times.
15:15:51 <warlord> No.. I do have reachability to the coresite router via MRTG, which never went away. But it has 5m granularity so might not have hit an outage .
15:22:38 <jralls> Depending on how that works it might also not see a routing table problem in the coresite router, e.g. if it just pings it every 5 min the interface code on the incoming port would just fire back the ICMP response to the querying IP without bubbling anything up to the routing code.
15:23:38 <warlord> could be, yeah.
15:23:50 <warlord> (and yes, it just runs a ping every 5 minutes)
15:24:24 <warlord> Also, I don't know if it's code-specific or the whole network.
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15:25:59 <warlord> Nothing interesting in code's fail2ban log.
15:27:14 <jralls> True, I was assuming that code was OK based on your saying that you could reach it from inside, but that was after gncbot had already reconnected so you might have missed the failure window.
15:28:14 <warlord> Well, I did ping before gncbot came back the first time
15:28:27 <jralls> It could even have been an ovirt NAT burp.
15:28:39 <warlord> code isn't on NAT
15:28:44 <warlord> so unlikely.
15:29:08 <warlord> clearly there WAS a hiccup. Just not sure the cause. Logs are not showing me anything.
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15:32:03 <jralls> Hiccups happen. Probably not worth spending any more time on unless it becomes more frequent.
15:32:05 <warlord> and of course as I look at it, it doesn't happen.
15:32:13 <warlord> agreed.
15:32:29 <warlord> i'll keep my ping running for a bit, just in case it happens again.
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19:25:14 <chris> jralls: I had pvt reply from dale... will accept PR but is not interested in submitting PR. may I suggest we add Dockerfile to repo?
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19:43:21 <warlord> How large is "Dockerfile"?
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19:55:07 <chris> warlord: https://github.com/diablodale/gnucash-dev-docker/blob/master/debian.dockerfile
19:57:22 <chris> would be nice to have an official dockerfile to set up build dev, and start building
19:57:33 <chris> unfortunately i don't understand it enough
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20:09:29 <jralls> chris, no, Dockerfiles emphtically do *not* belong in repos. The scripts to build them go in repos, the actual products go to Sourceforge so they can be downloaded.
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20:17:05 <warlord> this looks like the build script, not the container...
20:17:24 <jralls> OK, in that case we already have one, https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/util/ci/ubuntu-18.04-docker.
20:17:42 <chris> this shows how little I understand it
20:18:41 <warlord> jralls, well, admittedly this looks like a Debian instead of ubuntu target..
20:18:44 <jralls> And two more for Arch Linux, https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/util/ci/arch-docker and https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/util/ci/actions/archlinux-test/Dockerfile (which are nearly identical).
20:18:50 <warlord> (at least by looking at the docs)
20:19:12 <jralls> Debian == Ubuntu. Canonical even has seats on the Debian Foundation board.
20:22:46 <chris> is there simple instruction to build using these files?
20:26:17 <jralls> `git clone https://github.com/gnucash/gnucash && mkdir gnucash/.build && cd gnucash/.build && cmake .. -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug && -GNinja && ninja && ninja check`. Is that simple enough?
20:26:59 <jralls> That's after you setup your docker session and enter the container.
20:28:17 <jralls> Oops, no "&&" between Debug and -GNinja.
20:30:25 <chris> jralls: but isn't docker meant to ease standardising all the packages?
20:30:47 <chris> One dockerfile for guile-2.2-dev, another with guile-3.0-dev; one with gettext-0.29; another with geettext-0.30 etc
20:31:03 <jralls> No, it's meant to be a lightweight virtual machine. Phurrough is full of smelly brown stuff.
20:34:08 <chris> I won't push this agenda forward any further, but this is what guix is meant to solve: the guix gnucash package describes all dependencies and build instructions. dependencies are downloaded once, built and cached for use by the build script but are otherwise inaccessible to the current environment.
20:34:27 <chris> (I had thought docker would be similar)
20:34:49 <chris> I'll have no time to experiment any further
20:35:02 <jralls> So you certainly could create a self-generated "standard" Docker file by getting a specific Linux release from kernel.org, specific gcc sources from gnu.org, etc. That's how we did it back in the early 90s before distros became a thing.
20:35:26 <jralls> But as soon as you use a distro you've surrendered version control of your dependencies to the distro maintainers.
20:38:34 <jralls> Gentoo is a build-everything-from-source-locally distro too, with a lot more experience and a lot more users. But still not many users.
20:40:17 <jralls> I'm amused that the Guix page says that it's for the "GNU Operating System", so it's for Hurd (https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html) which has been under development for almost 30 years and still doesn't work.
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20:48:14 <chris> guix is not for hurd
20:48:39 <chris> it's either its own OS (guixOS) or is a standalone package manager like snap
20:49:15 <chris> I have it on my ubuntu; installing libreoffice is: $guix install libreoffice
20:51:09 <chris> the gnucash package is https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/gnucash.scm
20:51:33 <chris> the inputs describe the dependencies
20:51:48 <jralls> https://guix.gnu.org/:"Guix is an advanced distribution of the GNU operating system developed by the GNU Project."
20:53:16 <jralls> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/packages/gnucash.scm#n64:
20:53:27 <jralls> (version "3.8")
20:53:47 <chris> yes still not updated
20:54:24 <jralls> For a year.
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