2020-12-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:45:23 <chris> fell: I wanted the *FULL* log not only date-utilities.scm
00:46:14 <fell> chris, already in progress as I saw more wwarnings
00:46:33 <chris> and into pastebin.com
00:48:09 <fell> What is the benefit of pastebin?
00:55:14 <chris> easier to refer from somewhere else
00:55:34 <chris> moreover jralls has already declared string-freeze, it wouldn't be nice to translators to make changes to format now
00:56:29 <fell> It is the current HEAD
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00:57:31 <fell> >log.txt is not sufficient. It contains only make instructions.
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01:09:01 <fell> chris: https://pastebin.com/3WkX1NDg
01:16:03 <fell> jralls, before announcing to translators we should do a msgmerge, but the last time you have not been happy to include TP_LINGUAS.
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01:21:31 <fell> chris_ ^
01:24:33 <fell> chris_ How can I give you details from 96 - test-owner-report (Failed)?
01:26:13 <fell> I found -v
01:26:57 <fell> no details
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01:31:42 <chris_> you can always screenshot and imgur it
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01:50:54 <chris_> fell: I'll let you review #835 and merge whenever you feel it's appropriate.
01:51:16 <chris_> The date-utilities's set:tm-mon etc are unfixable - I don't understand why these warnings appear.
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02:02:16 <fell> Chris, I just found jrall's link for Benno broken. So he as to decide.
02:14:58 <chris> @tell gjanssens warlord jralls travis is misbehaving regularly... perhaps it's time to part ways
02:14:58 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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02:30:18 <guiu> AdrienM thanks for the workaround
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03:47:23 <giuseppef_> Hi, I am still refining a chart of accounts I'd like to contribute. I have looked at embedded charts and it seems it is usual to create placeholder accounts for "Equity, Assets, Liabilities, Revenues and Expenses". The question is: why? All reports uses (or can use) labels for sections ...
03:47:23 <gncbot> giuseppef_: Sent 3 days, 17 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <chris> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/834 please test
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03:56:31 <fell> C:/gcdev64/gnucash/maint/src/gnucash-git/gnucash/import-export/aqb/gnc-flicker-gui.c:92:8: error: unknown type name 'uint'
03:56:32 <fell> 92 | static uint
03:56:46 <fell> in https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/build-logs/maint/2020-12/build-maint-2020-12-13-03-00-02.log
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03:59:12 <fell> giuseppef_, I remember, I was not satified with chart of accounts without them.
04:01:32 <giuseppef_> The problem is that using those placeholders you cannot use labels in reports, because it seems a duplication of entries
04:01:33 <fell> And the selection of an account from the list was cumbersome.
04:02:23 <fell> IIRC at that time it was possible to hide the report labels.
04:02:30 <giuseppef_> this is true. This is way I use account numbers to order them, and colours too
04:05:40 <fell> In DE at schools they use the numbers from SKR03, but at university that from SKR04, so I preferred the tree.
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04:11:12 <fell> perhaps we should discuss the pro & cons at gniucash-devel?
04:12:33 <giuseppef_> ok, but I don't want to ask for modifications. I just would like to know if to make "sections' placeholders" is a standard for gnucash charts of account or not, to comply with it
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04:15:29 <fell> It is over 15 years, when I extended the SKR04, so we could review the state.
04:32:20 <fell> The last successful Win build was 2020-12-08. Later failed for different reasons.
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08:43:49 <chris> gjanssens: I have a final retouching commit for modularisation... it'll make life easier for any report writers
08:52:13 <chris> hmm maybe not merge yet - the idea is sound but is untested, and shouldn't be merged in just before release
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09:02:37 <warlord> .
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09:21:58 <abend0c4> Good morning from Arlington, Viriginia, USA!
09:23:16 <abend0c4> I am trying to move my GnuCash plist file from one computer to another and every time I start GnuCash, it gets overwritten with a new one. GC 4.2 (just upgraded from 3.11)
09:23:54 <abend0c4> MacOS X, also
09:33:29 <giuseppef> Some weeks ago someone on it mailing list posted about a problem in reconciliation of credit card in 4.2, saying it works fine in 4.1. I cannot make test about this. Is there an issue or not?
09:40:45 <warlord> abend0c4, which "plist" file? If you mean your preferences, yes, GnuCash rewrites that frequently, but if you install it while gnucash is NOT running, it should read it in just fine (assuming it's "valid" in current schema)
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10:07:00 <abend0c4> ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
10:07:51 <abend0c4> I copied the 3.11 plist over to the new computer (running 4.2) and it created a new .plist file over the existing copied one.
10:08:39 <abend0c4> Then I upgraded the 3.11 machine to 4.1. Preferences preserved on that machine. Tried to copy it again, and the other machine still created new .plist over the copied one.
10:09:49 <abend0c4> One Mac is Mojave (copied from) and the other is catalina (copied to); not sure if that should matter.
10:10:29 <warlord> abend0c4, was gnucash running when you copied the plist into place?
10:10:41 <abend0c4> No
10:10:41 <warlord> And how are you testing that it "overwrote" the file?
10:11:55 <abend0c4> With Gnucash closed, I copy the plist file. I open Gnucash and the size of the plist files goes from 7390 bytes to 1606 bytes (and all preferences are set to defautls)
10:12:11 <abend0c4> File size and modified time changes
10:12:57 <warlord> Hmm. well, when jralls wakes up maybe he can help you
10:13:16 <abend0c4> I ran with --debug and I don't see antyhing about attempting to load preferences, but it's very chatty and I haven't had that much coffee yet, so I might have missed it
10:15:16 <abend0c4> It's annoying and possibly a bug, but the big thing was that I thought I lost my account colors, but they're (sensibly) stored in the chart of accounts.
10:15:35 <abend0c4> Just the option to display them had changed with the reset preferences.
10:18:16 <abend0c4> Strange though: Now that I've saved new preferences in 4.2, they're persistent.
10:31:58 <abend0c4> I'll investigate a bit more and maybe file a bug report.
10:32:03 <abend0c4> Thanks for your help!
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12:53:17 <Jim> Hi, I am trying out the Windows 10 version of GNUCash and trying to setup online banking. I click the AqBankingWizard and NOTHING happens? I haved tried rebooting my computer several times, and still nothing happens when I click AqBankingWizard. I am usuing GnuCash 4.2. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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13:50:34 <JimL> Hi, I am trying out the Windows 10 version of GNUCash and trying to setup online banking. I click the AqBankingWizard and NOTHING happens? I haved tried rebooting my computer several times, and still nothing happens when I click AqBankingWizard. I am usuing GnuCash 4.2. Any thoughts? Thanks.
13:55:07 <jralls> Jim, I just tested 4.2 on Win10 (apparently just updated on Tuesday, my desktop was left empty :-/) and the AQBanking Setup wizard came up with no complains. Have you looked in the Tracefile (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile) for errors and followed the troubleshooting suggestions at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/AQBanking?
13:59:50 <JimL> @jralls I looked online for trouble shooting - didn't find any thing :-( I will take a look at the TraceFile wiki. Thanks.
13:59:50 <gncbot> JimL: Error: "jralls" is not a valid command.
14:00:06 <JimL> I looked online for trouble shooting - didn't find any thing :-( I will take a look at the TraceFile wiki. Thanks.
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14:10:00 <fell> JimL, aqbanking has also its own logs.
14:10:05 <fell> oopüs
14:10:44 <fell> Could the assistangt be hidden behind another windowß
14:10:59 <fell> c/ß/?/
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15:04:06 <JimL> I checked the trace logs for why AqBanking doesn't seem to start - the only real intersting thing I see is this: * 14:56:46 ERROR <gnc.import.aqbanking> gnc_AB_BANKING_new: assertion 'AB_Banking_Init(api) == 0' failed
15:04:06 <JimL> * 14:56:47 ERROR <gnc.import.aqbanking> aai_wizard_page_prepare: assertion 'info->api' failed
15:04:06 <JimL> * 14:56:49 ERROR <gnc.import.aqbanking> aai_wizard_button_clicked_cb: assertion 'banking' failed
15:05:46 <JimL> Also if I goto a command window and and try and run aqbanking-cli.exe there I get this message: C:/gcdev64/gnucash/releases/src/gwenhywfar-5.4.0/src/base/i18n.c: 122: No translation found for WIN32 locale [English_United States.1252]
15:06:03 <jralls> I gave you a link to the AQBanking wiki page for a reason.
15:10:55 <JimL> And I followed the directions for that wiki-and that's what I got from the trace file that the wiki sent me too. I also enabled a --debug --extra options gnucash.
15:12:10 <JimL> sorry- I didn't notice the very last line of that wiki about aqbanking debugging. I will look into that
15:14:57 <jralls> You can ignore the translation warning. It falls back to no translation, which is English.
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15:21:52 <JimL> thanks
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15:32:42 <fell> jralls, how about applying chris' sting changing PRs (859, other?) , run msgmerge, branch TP4.4?
15:34:05 <jralls> fell, see my comments on the PR. Those changes need some more time in the oven.
15:34:38 <jralls> Why on earth would we want to branch 4.4?
15:35:52 <fell> BTW CW is looking in the win failure
15:36:28 <fell> to set the version number for themß
15:39:48 <jralls> Who is CW?
15:40:05 <fell> CWelhli
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15:41:04 <jralls> That is outside his capability AFAICT. I've already fixed the failures in his code, the problem now is guile modularization.
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15:45:15 <jralls> I guess you mean to branch TP4.3, but that's not necessary. I've just finished building their tarball and uploading it to SourceForge.
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15:48:27 <fell> Who of us should run msgmerge? Any reason to exclude TP_LINGUAS?
15:52:00 <jralls> Don't care about who. The only reason to exclude the TP_LINGUAS would be to save machine cycles and keep clean git history on those files. Neither is really worth much effort: It's not many machine cycles and the git-history horse left the barn years ago.
15:55:25 <giuseppef> I have read messages on devs ml. At now, are strings fixed for translations?
15:57:29 <jralls> giuseppef, what meaning of "fixed", "Repaired" or "unchanging"?
15:58:00 <fell> frozen
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15:58:37 <jralls> If unchanging, yes, until after the 4.3 release. You probably want to wait until fell or I msgmerge and commit so you have all the latest strings in it.po.
15:59:17 <jralls> fell, why don't you take care of the msgmerge and I'll work on the windows build?
15:59:30 <fell> OK
16:21:43 <fell> Important?
16:21:45 <fell> postdrop: warning: uid=988: File too large
16:21:46 <fell> sendmail: fatal: fell(988): message file too big
16:22:26 <jralls> No, that just means that gnucash-changes choked on sending the diffs 'cause they're too big.
16:25:07 <fell> giuseppef and other translators: you can now pull fresh merged po files.
16:25:53 <jralls> fell, should I remind you to say that on the devel list?
16:26:15 <giuseppef_> ok, what is the deadline?
16:27:06 <fell> in 12 daays
16:27:10 <jralls> Noon 26 December UTC-8.
16:28:41 <giuseppef_> thanks
16:37:57 <giuseppef_> Actions -> Auto-clear. In the opening dialog is there a string untranlsated ?
16:41:49 <fell> which one?
16:43:10 <giuseppef_> "Auto-Clear Information", but I am testing .mo file on 4.2 so it was a real question
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16:43:44 <fell> There is
16:43:45 <fell> #, fuzzy
16:43:47 <fell> #| msgid "Auto-clear"
16:43:48 <fell> msgid "About Auto-Clear"
16:44:45 <fell> 4.3 got the prefix "About"
16:45:49 <fell> How about testing with a recent nightly?
16:46:26 <fell> That of tomorrow should have all strings
16:48:12 <giuseppef_> just buildin now
16:49:13 <giuseppef_> and failed... "[ 42%] Generating ../../lib64/guile/2.2/site-ccache/gnucash/locale/de_DE/tax/txf.go"
16:49:14 <giuseppef_> make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:7158: libgnucash/tax/CMakeFiles/scm-tax-de_DE-1.dir/all] Error 2
16:49:15 <giuseppef_> make: *** [Makefile:183: all] Error 2
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16:52:53 <fell> giuseppef_: try 1. make clean;
16:53:19 <fell> 2. clean guiles ccache
16:54:57 <fell> ~/.cache/guile/ccache
17:00:41 <giuseppef_> I will try the "gentoo way", creating a custom ebuild file
17:01:24 <giuseppef_> (it failed again after make clean, now trying after cleaning guiles cache)
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17:19:20 <chris> jralls: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Simple-Output.html#index-simple_002dformat -- in guile core, format == simple-format
17:20:48 <jralls> chris, only in guile 3. guile 2.x had it in srfi-28 and you had to (use-modules (srfi srfi-28)) to use it.
17:22:44 <jralls> Note as well that simple-format takes only ~a and ~s, and the srfi-28 version didn't take an output port. None of our format forms would work with it.
17:23:04 <giuseppef_> No luck tonight: ninja: error: '/var/tmp/portage/app-office/gnucash-4.3/work/gnucash-4.3/libgnucash/core-utils/gnc-vcs-info.h', needed by 'libgnucash/core-utils/CMakeFiles/gnc-vcs-info', missing and no known rule to make it
17:24:25 <jralls> giuseppef, that usually means that you tried to build with a github-generated tarball. You must either use a clone of the git repo or a tarball attached to one of the releases.
17:25:06 <jralls> You probably want a git clone, do git clone https://github.com/gnucash/gnucash .
17:25:11 <giuseppef_> I was buildig with https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/archive/4.3-string-freeze.tar.gz
17:25:33 <jralls> Yeah, you can't.
17:26:10 <jralls> I hoped that Benno could run the translation project tools on it, but as you saw on the dev list he didn't even want to try.
17:26:11 <giuseppef_> with git clone do I get the same as "git pull upstream maint" ?
17:26:41 <giuseppef_> I can send him the .pot if you want
17:27:11 <jralls> He doesn't want a pot file, he wants a tarball that he can build a potfile from using the TP tools.
17:27:54 <jralls> You have to do git clone before you can do git pull, but you need do it only once.
17:28:30 <giuseppef_> I have my local now in sync with maint (just pulled 15 minutes ago)
17:29:59 <jralls> Does that build OK?
17:31:34 <jralls> chris made a bunch of guile module changes to make guile-3 happy but they've broken some other stuff. Arch Linux on Travis is unhappy (but not on githubh-actions), Windows is unhappy. We don't have a Gentoo CI set up.
17:31:51 <giuseppef_> still trying
17:33:56 <giuseppef_> (USE="-doc", for now) it's going. Let's see
17:36:24 <chris> jralls: is modularisation the cause for archlinux's boost crash?
17:37:43 <jralls> chris, that one I'm not sure about. But something's broken it pretty darn consistently.
17:38:01 <giuseppef_> gone! Versione: 4.3
17:38:01 <giuseppef_> ID build: git 4.2-308-g14a53032f+(2020-12-13)
17:38:01 <giuseppef_> Finance::Quote: 1.47
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17:44:19 <giuseppef_> when trasfering funds "Credit Account" does mean "to credit account"?
17:45:42 <chris> jralls: re: travis - given that https://travis-ci.org/github/Gnucash/gnucash/builds/749359461 has succeeded I'm inclined to believe travis is reducing resources for OSS causing breakages
17:48:05 <jralls> They have threatened to do that, but the boost::filesystem error would be a seriously weird result.
17:52:23 <chris> I'd think their VMs don't have reliable access to resources, boost could fail? /me is testiculating
17:53:39 <giuseppef_> https://snipboard.io/AO9fYr.jpg (but it seems to work)
18:00:52 <chris> giuseppef_ this error shouldn't happen -- can you share exactly what options you've changed? did you restart?
18:01:11 <giuseppef_> yes I did
18:03:36 <chris> if you could document the steps in a bugs.gnucash.org report it'll help
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18:09:16 * jralls is amused that 'fallback' has migrated directly into Italian.
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18:16:12 <giuseppef_> Done https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798050
18:16:32 <chris> giuseppef_ thanks you can attach screenshots in bugzilla messages; this will be safer in the long run
18:17:15 <giuseppef_> Ok. About "fallback": I didn't find a better translation
18:18:47 <giuseppef_> see you tomorrow
18:18:54 <jralls> Goodnight!
18:19:29 <chris> Night!!
18:19:34 <jralls> chris, The build passes on my Arch VM just like it does on the github-action one.
18:19:46 <chris> notte
18:19:57 <chris> jralls: good to know!
18:20:46 <jralls> So I'm stuck. Github actions seem to be working more or less OK, so maybe we should just pull the plug on travis now.
18:22:39 <chris> https://code.gnucash.org/logs/2020/12/13.html#T02:14:58
18:23:26 <jralls> Roger, I had that in mind.
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18:44:01 <fell> ricaderci, guiseppef.
18:46:16 <fell> or ripiegare
18:49:07 <fell> jralls, I agree.
19:02:02 <jralls> With dropping travis?
19:06:24 <fell> yes
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21:28:14 <sk> interest free loan to friend and from same friend. How to adjust them . When i take i put it in liability but when i give him where to put it . if i put in asset then same person have two accounts one in liability and other in asset. So i have to check both and compare them to check weather i have to pay or have to take from friend at some time .
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