It's been rumoured that Tyson Dowd said: > One of MS's aims was "no more IDL". OK, I think I got it now: viz. basically, a super-duper SWIG. http://www.swig.org The 'right thing' to do in the free software world would be to write a module for SWIG that auto-generates SOAP schema & perform the marshalling when invoked. --linas