Phil Longstaff plongstaff at rogers.com
Wed Jul 16 13:59:38 EDT 2008

Charles Day wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Derek Atkins <warlord at mit.edu> wrote:
>> Mike or Penny Novack <stepbystepfarm at mtdata.com> writes:
>>> I would pay close attention to what Graham says here.
>>>> I didn't say that *all* timestamps were unnecessary, what I said was
>>>> that dates that are actually dates, and not times, are being stored
>>>> as times, and that this is incorrect.
>>>> For an example, look at the date entered in a transaction. The UI
>>>> only allows you to choose a year, a month and a day, and because of
>>>> this, you should only store a year, a month and a day.
>>> It is actually the case that (depending on financial policies) storing
>>> the actual time could present problems.
>>> For example -- the rule might be "process all credits for the given
>>> date before any debits for that date" --- or vice versa. If the
>>> programmer mistakenly used time stamps rather than dates, the sort
>>> would not give the expected results.
>> These rules can certainly vary from place to place, locale to locale,
>> or even person to person.   Why force the issue?  IF we let users
>> set the TimeOfDay (see bug #89439) then users could easily set the
>> intra-day ordering of transactions themselves.  If GnuCash ONLY
>> stored a date then there would be NO WAY to set this.  So I think
>> storing a timestamp really is more flexible.
>> Having said that, I'll reiterate that I do still think there is a bug
>> here.  I think that by DEFAULT GnuCash should store time stamps as
>> 1200 UTC on the day in question instead of what appears to ME to be
>> 0000 Local.  Using 1200UTC would give a proper DAY computation in any
>> timezone even when converted to localtime (except perhaps if there
>> were a UTC+12 or UTC-12 timezone, at which point there's possibly a
>> fencepost issue).  However I dont believe there is anyone who lives
>> *ON* the international date line.
> I agree, 1200UTC would prevent time zones from shifting transactions to
> another day. That would be a better default than 0000 local. That could work
> for default price times as well (see but 541970).
> P.S. I remember being in Tonga; the date line goes right through their
> country. There is an "International Date Line" hotel with the line running
> right through the building (or so they tell the tourists).

Hmmm... I thought the International Date Line was designed to *not*
intersect any land.  That's why it's not straight.  From Wikipedia, "The
date line circumvents the territory of Kiribati by swinging far to the
east, almost reaching the 150° meridian.

In the South Pacific the dateline swings east such that Wallis and
Futuna, Fiji, Tonga, and New Zealand's Kermadec Islands have the same
date but Samoa is one day earlier."


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