[GNC-dev] Feedback on GnuCash 3.903

Robert Fewell 14ubobit at gmail.com
Fri Jun 5 05:05:21 EDT 2020 

Mark,
Yes the saving of column widths has changed, in version 4.0 they are saved
per register type so you only have to set the defaults once per type
instead of every single register opened, there are menu options under
'Windows' that allow you to save new register widths or clear them. Open
registers also save their widths and therefore can have temporarily changed
widths.

What should happen is when a register is opened with a saved configuration
and no default has been saved for that type, that configuration will be
used as the default. Once there is a default for the register type, all old
configurations will be removed. Did this not happen?

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 04:58, Christopher Lam <christopher.lck at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The balance sheet date option does not transfer because old balance sheet
> uses "Balance Sheet Date" whereas upgraded one uses "End Date". I am not
> sure it is practical to set up a compatibility pathway -- new balance sheet
> can report multiple dates.
>
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 7:27 am mark sattolo, <mh.satto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, that makes sense. I did some more digging around, and not all my
> > custom column widths were changed, just those for any of the accounts
> that
> > I actually opened while using version 3.903. Which happened to be quite a
> > few as I was testing various transactions, etc.
> >
> >
> > *Mark Sattolo*
> > *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:15 PM D. <sunfish62 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > If that's true, I imagine it's a mistake. At least I hope so! I trust
> the
> > > devs will fix it, since I'd be pretty upset to have to reset column
> > widths
> > > on all my accounts...
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > From: mark sattolo <mh.satto at gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Thu Jun 04 19:07:27 EDT 2020
> > > To: gnucash-devel <gnucash-devel at gnucash.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [GNC-dev] Feedback on GnuCash 3.903
> > >
> > > Also fyi, I just noticed that version 3.903 overwrote all the custom
> > column
> > > width settings in my gcm file and changed all of them to a new default
> > set
> > > of widths, I presume the new defaults for Gnucash 4. These new default
> > > widths give a very wide *description* column and every other column is
> > very
> > > narrow and especially for the *date*, *num* and *transfer* columns, too
> > > narrow to fit the text they contain. Again, I had to restore my backup
> > gcm
> > > file to restore all my custom settings.
> > >
> > > So I guess since this will eventually be released as Gnucash version
> > 4.xxx,
> > > we are to expect breaking changes from the current version? And users
> > will
> > > be warned that they will be losing custom settings for column widths,
> > saved
> > > reports, etc when they switch over?
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > *Mark Sattolo*
> > > *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:45 AM Christopher Lam <
> > christopher.lck at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good luck. I've just verified that the old (3.x) balance-sheet date
> > > > defaults to "end-of-accounting-period", so, the first few lines
> > shouldn't
> > > > be added.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 15:41, mark sattolo <mh.satto at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks. I'll give it a try. I'll just update the source in my git
> > folder
> > > >> for tag 3.903 and rebuild if I can't figure out how to modify the
> > > flatpak.
> > > >>
> > > >> *Mark Sattolo*
> > > >> *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
> > > >> *(613) 447-5385*
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:36 AM Christopher Lam <
> > > >> christopher.lck at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi Mark
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The reports for balance-sheet and income-statement were replaced
> with
> > > >>> the multicolumn ones. See the release notes. This was described in
> > > devel a
> > > >>> few weeks/months ago.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Try the following patch which will reduce the discrepancy in the
> > > default
> > > >>> options between old and new. You may be able to modify the patch
> from
> > > >>> within the flatpak (but I'm not sure).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> modified   gnucash/report/reports/standard/balsheet-pnl.scm
> > > >>> @@ -176,6 +176,9 @@ also show overall period profit & loss."))
> > > >>>      (gnc:options-add-date-interval!
> > > >>>       options gnc:pagename-general optname-startdate
> optname-enddate
> > > "c")
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +    (gnc:option-set-default-value
> > > >>> +     (gnc:lookup-option options gnc:pagename-general
> > optname-enddate)
> > > >>> 'today)
> > > >>> +
> > > >>>      (add-option
> > > >>>       (gnc:make-multichoice-callback-option
> > > >>>        gnc:pagename-general optname-period
> > > >>> @@ -1107,6 +1110,22 @@ also show overall period profit & loss."))
> > > >>>                                     retained-earnings-fn))))
> > > >>>           #:negate-amounts? #t)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +        (add-to-table multicol-table-right (_ "Liability and
> > Equity")
> > > >>> +                      (append liability-accounts
> > > >>> +                              equity-accounts
> > > >>> +                              (if common-currency
> > > >>> +                                  (list (vector (_ "Unrealized
> > Gains")
> > > >>> +
> unrealized-gain-fn))
> > > >>> +                                  '())
> > > >>> +                              (if (null? income-expense)
> > > >>> +                                  '()
> > > >>> +                                  (list (vector (_ "Retained
> > > Earnings")
> > > >>> +
> > > retained-earnings-fn))))
> > > >>> +                      #:negate-amounts? #t
> > > >>> +                      #:show-title? #f
> > > >>> +                      #:show-accounts? #f
> > > >>> +                      #:show-total? #t)
> > > >>> +
> > > >>>          (if (and common-currency show-rates?)
> > > >>>              (add-to-table multicol-table-right (_ "Exchange
> Rates")
> > > >>>                            asset-liability
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 15:18, mark sattolo <mh.satto at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I am on Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon. I started using Gnc 3.903
> > yesterday
> > > >>>> morning. This is a version I built from git using tag '3.903' on
> > June
> > > >>>> 2. It
> > > >>>> built without any problems, so I assumed it was good, but now it
> > > occurs
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>> me that all these problems may just be due to a problem with my
> > build.
> > > >>>> But
> > > >>>> I thought i would report now anyway just in case there are general
> > > >>>> issues
> > > >>>> with this version. I was actually going to try a flatpak build of
> > > 3.903,
> > > >>>> but I couldn't tell from any of the build names in Gnucash flatpak
> > > repo
> > > >>>> <https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/> which one is for
> version
> > > >>>> 3.903.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anyway, everything seemed fine with 3.903 until I opened one of my
> > > saved
> > > >>>> reports. The appearance of the report was essentially
> > unrecognizable.
> > > I
> > > >>>> only ever use my saved reports and their appearance hasn't changed
> > for
> > > >>>> years, for any other Gnucash version (release or maint) until
> 3.903.
> > > So
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> went in to the report *options* to see if I could restore the
> layout
> > > to
> > > >>>> what i was used to:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Commodities tab:
> > > >>>> there is a new Common Currency checkbox at the top, which was
> > > unchecked,
> > > >>>> and everything below was greyed out. But the two checkboxes 'Show
> > > >>>> original
> > > >>>> currency amount' and 'Show exchange rates' were both checked, even
> > > >>>> though
> > > >>>> in my original options, the previous two checkboxes on this tab:
> > 'Show
> > > >>>> foreign currencies' and 'Show exchange rates' were both saved as
> > > >>>> *unchecked*.
> > > >>>> So, checking the Common Currency box to ungrey the other options
> and
> > > >>>> then
> > > >>>> unchecking the currency and exchange rate boxes, restored the
> layout
> > > of
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> report to basically what I was familiar with, as it no longer had
> > long
> > > >>>> lists of commodities under essentially every sub-total.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> General tab:
> > > >>>> the report I was looking at, which I run often, is a balance sheet
> > for
> > > >>>> all
> > > >>>> my accounts, for date 'Today'. The old options had a select list
> > > titled
> > > >>>> 'Balance sheet date' which was set to the relative date of Today.
> > The
> > > >>>> new
> > > >>>> options have a Start Date and an End Date. The Start Date is
> greyed
> > > >>>> out, so
> > > >>>> I guess it is fairly easy to figure out that since it doesn't make
> > > >>>> sense to
> > > >>>> have two dates for a Balance, that the End Date is the active one.
> > > >>>> Unfortunately, the date shown in 'End Date' was not 'Today' but
> had
> > > been
> > > >>>> changed to 'End of accounting period'... So I changed it back to
> > > >>>> 'Today' to
> > > >>>> get the proper balance date as it had been before.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Other problems:
> > > >>>> 1) There used to be a final total for the credit side of 'Total
> > > >>>> Liabilities
> > > >>>> and Equity', which would match the Total Assets line if the
> balance
> > > was
> > > >>>> done properly (sometimes it doesn't balance which means that I
> have
> > > >>>> created
> > > >>>> some new accounts in the meantime and have to update the saved
> > > config),
> > > >>>> but
> > > >>>> this line was missing and I tried every option I could find to
> > restore
> > > >>>> it,
> > > >>>> but nothing worked. Which means to ensure your balance is actually
> > > >>>> working,
> > > >>>> you have to add on your own the Total Liability and Total Equity
> > lines
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>> compare this to Total Assets.
> > > >>>> So, just from looking, I could tell the actual totals were close,
> > and
> > > I
> > > >>>> thought they would balance, but when I did the addition, the total
> > of
> > > >>>> Liability + Equity matched the expected total from previous
> Gnucash
> > > >>>> versions, but the Total Assets was now reporting an amount
> > different,
> > > by
> > > >>>> $0.03. Nothing I did to update the included accounts would resolve
> > > this
> > > >>>> difference. I'm pretty sure I don't have a renegade asset account
> > > hidden
> > > >>>> somewhere with $0.03 in it... Differences of this magnitude I find
> > are
> > > >>>> usually rounding errors. But not sure what this is or where it is
> > > coming
> > > >>>> from.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 2) When I saw the changes in the report options of version 3.903,
> I
> > > made
> > > >>>> sure that I *didn't* press the 'Save Config' button so it wouldn't
> > > >>>> overwrite my existing config for this report. Later, I opened the
> > old
> > > >>>> 3.10
> > > >>>> released version so I could see exactly how the options were set
> up
> > in
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> previous Gnucash, and when I opened the saved report 'Balance
> > Today',
> > > >>>> all
> > > >>>> the options had been changed to the incorrect ones that I had seen
> > > with
> > > >>>> version 3.903, e.g. the date was changed from Today to 'End of
> > > >>>> accounting
> > > >>>> period', the boxes for currency and exchange rates were now
> checked,
> > > >>>> etc.
> > > >>>> And in fact the file 'saved-reports-2.8' had been completely
> > > >>>> overwritten by
> > > >>>> v3.903 and all my dozens of saved reports now had incorrect
> > settings.
> > > >>>> Maybe
> > > >>>> this is the expected behavior? But it was certainly unexpected to
> > > me...
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> had to go into my Timeshift and get the most recent backup of
> > > >>>> 'saved-reports-2.8' to restore all my settings.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hope all this is clear, and helpful. Let me know if you have any
> > > >>>> questions.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> *Mark Sattolo*
> > > >>>> *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
> > > >>>> *(613) 447-5385*
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > > On Jun 1, 2020, at 11:51 AM, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>> > >
> > > >>>> > > The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 3.903, the
> first
> > > >>>> testing
> > > >>>> > release for what will soon be GnuCash 4.0.
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > A further note for developers: This release begins Feature
> Freeze,
> > > >>>> please
> > > >>>> > commit only bug fix changes until we release 4.0.
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > String freeze is in two weeks, so if you have any commits that
> > will
> > > >>>> > require new or changed translatable strings get them in ASAP!
> > > >>>> >
> > > >>>> > Regards,
> > > >>>> > John Ralls
> > > >>>> >
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