[GNC-dev] Feedback on GnuCash 3.903
Robert Fewell
14ubobit at gmail.com
Fri Jun 5 06:41:06 EDT 2020
David,
It was decided that instead of every time you open a register and then
change that layout to your liking we could just save the widths to be used
as defaults for the 6 register layouts. As most registers of type will have
similar widths set, the first one loaded will be used to set the default
widths for that type which you can obviously change and save for future
opening of that type of register. To accommodate situations like you have
described, register widths of all open registers when Gnucash is closed
will also be saved and used when restoring. Should any of them be closed
and reopened then they will base the widths on the saved default for that
register type.
Hope that answers your question.
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 11:12, David H <hellvee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Please clarify this. I have 2 savings accounts and 4 credit card accounts
> that I have open all the time and over the years I've gone to the trouble
> of setting these up just the way I like them. Of course flicking through
> the register tabs the columns aren't all in the same places as I'm using
> accounts with different nesting levels in each so the Transfer column
> widths vary even within each account type. Are you saying that these would
> be treated as 2 register types and you are going to blow away all my good
> work and just randomly choose one of the open settings as the default when
> you remove old configurations?
>
> Thanks David H.
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 19:05, Robert Fewell <14ubobit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> Yes the saving of column widths has changed, in version 4.0 they are saved
>> per register type so you only have to set the defaults once per type
>> instead of every single register opened, there are menu options under
>> 'Windows' that allow you to save new register widths or clear them. Open
>> registers also save their widths and therefore can have temporarily
>> changed
>> widths.
>>
>> What should happen is when a register is opened with a saved configuration
>> and no default has been saved for that type, that configuration will be
>> used as the default. Once there is a default for the register type, all
>> old
>> configurations will be removed. Did this not happen?
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 04:58, Christopher Lam <christopher.lck at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The balance sheet date option does not transfer because old balance
>> sheet
>> > uses "Balance Sheet Date" whereas upgraded one uses "End Date". I am not
>> > sure it is practical to set up a compatibility pathway -- new balance
>> sheet
>> > can report multiple dates.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 7:27 am mark sattolo, <mh.satto at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yes, that makes sense. I did some more digging around, and not all my
>> > > custom column widths were changed, just those for any of the accounts
>> > that
>> > > I actually opened while using version 3.903. Which happened to be
>> quite a
>> > > few as I was testing various transactions, etc.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > *Mark Sattolo*
>> > > *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:15 PM D. <sunfish62 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Mark,
>> > > >
>> > > > If that's true, I imagine it's a mistake. At least I hope so! I
>> trust
>> > the
>> > > > devs will fix it, since I'd be pretty upset to have to reset column
>> > > widths
>> > > > on all my accounts...
>> > > >
>> > > > David
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > -------- Original Message --------
>> > > > From: mark sattolo <mh.satto at gmail.com>
>> > > > Sent: Thu Jun 04 19:07:27 EDT 2020
>> > > > To: gnucash-devel <gnucash-devel at gnucash.org>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [GNC-dev] Feedback on GnuCash 3.903
>> > > >
>> > > > Also fyi, I just noticed that version 3.903 overwrote all the custom
>> > > column
>> > > > width settings in my gcm file and changed all of them to a new
>> default
>> > > set
>> > > > of widths, I presume the new defaults for Gnucash 4. These new
>> default
>> > > > widths give a very wide *description* column and every other column
>> is
>> > > very
>> > > > narrow and especially for the *date*, *num* and *transfer* columns,
>> too
>> > > > narrow to fit the text they contain. Again, I had to restore my
>> backup
>> > > gcm
>> > > > file to restore all my custom settings.
>> > > >
>> > > > So I guess since this will eventually be released as Gnucash version
>> > > 4.xxx,
>> > > > we are to expect breaking changes from the current version? And
>> users
>> > > will
>> > > > be warned that they will be losing custom settings for column
>> widths,
>> > > saved
>> > > > reports, etc when they switch over?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > cheers,
>> > > >
>> > > > *Mark Sattolo*
>> > > > *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:45 AM Christopher Lam <
>> > > christopher.lck at gmail.com
>> > > > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Good luck. I've just verified that the old (3.x) balance-sheet
>> date
>> > > > > defaults to "end-of-accounting-period", so, the first few lines
>> > > shouldn't
>> > > > > be added.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 15:41, mark sattolo <mh.satto at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Thanks. I'll give it a try. I'll just update the source in my git
>> > > folder
>> > > > >> for tag 3.903 and rebuild if I can't figure out how to modify the
>> > > > flatpak.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> *Mark Sattolo*
>> > > > >> *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
>> > > > >> *(613) 447-5385*
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:36 AM Christopher Lam <
>> > > > >> christopher.lck at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>> Hi Mark
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> The reports for balance-sheet and income-statement were replaced
>> > with
>> > > > >>> the multicolumn ones. See the release notes. This was described
>> in
>> > > > devel a
>> > > > >>> few weeks/months ago.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Try the following patch which will reduce the discrepancy in the
>> > > > default
>> > > > >>> options between old and new. You may be able to modify the patch
>> > from
>> > > > >>> within the flatpak (but I'm not sure).
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> modified gnucash/report/reports/standard/balsheet-pnl.scm
>> > > > >>> @@ -176,6 +176,9 @@ also show overall period profit & loss."))
>> > > > >>> (gnc:options-add-date-interval!
>> > > > >>> options gnc:pagename-general optname-startdate
>> > optname-enddate
>> > > > "c")
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> + (gnc:option-set-default-value
>> > > > >>> + (gnc:lookup-option options gnc:pagename-general
>> > > optname-enddate)
>> > > > >>> 'today)
>> > > > >>> +
>> > > > >>> (add-option
>> > > > >>> (gnc:make-multichoice-callback-option
>> > > > >>> gnc:pagename-general optname-period
>> > > > >>> @@ -1107,6 +1110,22 @@ also show overall period profit &
>> loss."))
>> > > > >>> retained-earnings-fn))))
>> > > > >>> #:negate-amounts? #t)
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> + (add-to-table multicol-table-right (_ "Liability and
>> > > Equity")
>> > > > >>> + (append liability-accounts
>> > > > >>> + equity-accounts
>> > > > >>> + (if common-currency
>> > > > >>> + (list (vector (_ "Unrealized
>> > > Gains")
>> > > > >>> +
>> > unrealized-gain-fn))
>> > > > >>> + '())
>> > > > >>> + (if (null? income-expense)
>> > > > >>> + '()
>> > > > >>> + (list (vector (_ "Retained
>> > > > Earnings")
>> > > > >>> +
>> > > > retained-earnings-fn))))
>> > > > >>> + #:negate-amounts? #t
>> > > > >>> + #:show-title? #f
>> > > > >>> + #:show-accounts? #f
>> > > > >>> + #:show-total? #t)
>> > > > >>> +
>> > > > >>> (if (and common-currency show-rates?)
>> > > > >>> (add-to-table multicol-table-right (_ "Exchange
>> > Rates")
>> > > > >>> asset-liability
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 15:18, mark sattolo <mh.satto at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>>> I am on Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon. I started using Gnc 3.903
>> > > yesterday
>> > > > >>>> morning. This is a version I built from git using tag '3.903'
>> on
>> > > June
>> > > > >>>> 2. It
>> > > > >>>> built without any problems, so I assumed it was good, but now
>> it
>> > > > occurs
>> > > > >>>> to
>> > > > >>>> me that all these problems may just be due to a problem with my
>> > > build.
>> > > > >>>> But
>> > > > >>>> I thought i would report now anyway just in case there are
>> general
>> > > > >>>> issues
>> > > > >>>> with this version. I was actually going to try a flatpak build
>> of
>> > > > 3.903,
>> > > > >>>> but I couldn't tell from any of the build names in Gnucash
>> flatpak
>> > > > repo
>> > > > >>>> <https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/> which one is for
>> > version
>> > > > >>>> 3.903.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Anyway, everything seemed fine with 3.903 until I opened one
>> of my
>> > > > saved
>> > > > >>>> reports. The appearance of the report was essentially
>> > > unrecognizable.
>> > > > I
>> > > > >>>> only ever use my saved reports and their appearance hasn't
>> changed
>> > > for
>> > > > >>>> years, for any other Gnucash version (release or maint) until
>> > 3.903.
>> > > > So
>> > > > >>>> I
>> > > > >>>> went in to the report *options* to see if I could restore the
>> > layout
>> > > > to
>> > > > >>>> what i was used to:
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Commodities tab:
>> > > > >>>> there is a new Common Currency checkbox at the top, which was
>> > > > unchecked,
>> > > > >>>> and everything below was greyed out. But the two checkboxes
>> 'Show
>> > > > >>>> original
>> > > > >>>> currency amount' and 'Show exchange rates' were both checked,
>> even
>> > > > >>>> though
>> > > > >>>> in my original options, the previous two checkboxes on this
>> tab:
>> > > 'Show
>> > > > >>>> foreign currencies' and 'Show exchange rates' were both saved
>> as
>> > > > >>>> *unchecked*.
>> > > > >>>> So, checking the Common Currency box to ungrey the other
>> options
>> > and
>> > > > >>>> then
>> > > > >>>> unchecking the currency and exchange rate boxes, restored the
>> > layout
>> > > > of
>> > > > >>>> the
>> > > > >>>> report to basically what I was familiar with, as it no longer
>> had
>> > > long
>> > > > >>>> lists of commodities under essentially every sub-total.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> General tab:
>> > > > >>>> the report I was looking at, which I run often, is a balance
>> sheet
>> > > for
>> > > > >>>> all
>> > > > >>>> my accounts, for date 'Today'. The old options had a select
>> list
>> > > > titled
>> > > > >>>> 'Balance sheet date' which was set to the relative date of
>> Today.
>> > > The
>> > > > >>>> new
>> > > > >>>> options have a Start Date and an End Date. The Start Date is
>> > greyed
>> > > > >>>> out, so
>> > > > >>>> I guess it is fairly easy to figure out that since it doesn't
>> make
>> > > > >>>> sense to
>> > > > >>>> have two dates for a Balance, that the End Date is the active
>> one.
>> > > > >>>> Unfortunately, the date shown in 'End Date' was not 'Today' but
>> > had
>> > > > been
>> > > > >>>> changed to 'End of accounting period'... So I changed it back
>> to
>> > > > >>>> 'Today' to
>> > > > >>>> get the proper balance date as it had been before.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Other problems:
>> > > > >>>> 1) There used to be a final total for the credit side of 'Total
>> > > > >>>> Liabilities
>> > > > >>>> and Equity', which would match the Total Assets line if the
>> > balance
>> > > > was
>> > > > >>>> done properly (sometimes it doesn't balance which means that I
>> > have
>> > > > >>>> created
>> > > > >>>> some new accounts in the meantime and have to update the saved
>> > > > config),
>> > > > >>>> but
>> > > > >>>> this line was missing and I tried every option I could find to
>> > > restore
>> > > > >>>> it,
>> > > > >>>> but nothing worked. Which means to ensure your balance is
>> actually
>> > > > >>>> working,
>> > > > >>>> you have to add on your own the Total Liability and Total
>> Equity
>> > > lines
>> > > > >>>> and
>> > > > >>>> compare this to Total Assets.
>> > > > >>>> So, just from looking, I could tell the actual totals were
>> close,
>> > > and
>> > > > I
>> > > > >>>> thought they would balance, but when I did the addition, the
>> total
>> > > of
>> > > > >>>> Liability + Equity matched the expected total from previous
>> > Gnucash
>> > > > >>>> versions, but the Total Assets was now reporting an amount
>> > > different,
>> > > > by
>> > > > >>>> $0.03. Nothing I did to update the included accounts would
>> resolve
>> > > > this
>> > > > >>>> difference. I'm pretty sure I don't have a renegade asset
>> account
>> > > > hidden
>> > > > >>>> somewhere with $0.03 in it... Differences of this magnitude I
>> find
>> > > are
>> > > > >>>> usually rounding errors. But not sure what this is or where it
>> is
>> > > > coming
>> > > > >>>> from.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> 2) When I saw the changes in the report options of version
>> 3.903,
>> > I
>> > > > made
>> > > > >>>> sure that I *didn't* press the 'Save Config' button so it
>> wouldn't
>> > > > >>>> overwrite my existing config for this report. Later, I opened
>> the
>> > > old
>> > > > >>>> 3.10
>> > > > >>>> released version so I could see exactly how the options were
>> set
>> > up
>> > > in
>> > > > >>>> the
>> > > > >>>> previous Gnucash, and when I opened the saved report 'Balance
>> > > Today',
>> > > > >>>> all
>> > > > >>>> the options had been changed to the incorrect ones that I had
>> seen
>> > > > with
>> > > > >>>> version 3.903, e.g. the date was changed from Today to 'End of
>> > > > >>>> accounting
>> > > > >>>> period', the boxes for currency and exchange rates were now
>> > checked,
>> > > > >>>> etc.
>> > > > >>>> And in fact the file 'saved-reports-2.8' had been completely
>> > > > >>>> overwritten by
>> > > > >>>> v3.903 and all my dozens of saved reports now had incorrect
>> > > settings.
>> > > > >>>> Maybe
>> > > > >>>> this is the expected behavior? But it was certainly unexpected
>> to
>> > > > me...
>> > > > >>>> I
>> > > > >>>> had to go into my Timeshift and get the most recent backup of
>> > > > >>>> 'saved-reports-2.8' to restore all my settings.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> Hope all this is clear, and helpful. Let me know if you have
>> any
>> > > > >>>> questions.
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> *Mark Sattolo*
>> > > > >>>> *mh.satto at gmail.com <mh.satto at gmail.com>*
>> > > > >>>> *(613) 447-5385*
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 3:05 PM John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >>>>
>> > > > >>>> >
>> > > > >>>> >
>> > > > >>>> > > On Jun 1, 2020, at 11:51 AM, John Ralls <
>> jralls at ceridwen.us>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >>>> > >
>> > > > >>>> > > The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 3.903, the
>> > first
>> > > > >>>> testing
>> > > > >>>> > release for what will soon be GnuCash 4.0.
>> > > > >>>> >
>> > > > >>>> > A further note for developers: This release begins Feature
>> > Freeze,
>> > > > >>>> please
>> > > > >>>> > commit only bug fix changes until we release 4.0.
>> > > > >>>> >
>> > > > >>>> > String freeze is in two weeks, so if you have any commits
>> that
>> > > will
>> > > > >>>> > require new or changed translatable strings get them in ASAP!
>> > > > >>>> >
>> > > > >>>> > Regards,
>> > > > >>>> > John Ralls
>> > > > >>>> >
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