Linas, pls forward to appropriate group, please

[Linas Vepstas]

Hi, what's urpmi?

forwarding to gnucash-user at gnucash.org  as per request but you'd do better to 
subscribe yourself.

--linas

On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 01:19:37PM -0800, davidsyes was heard to remark:
> Hello, 
> 
> I seem to have suffered "Open Foot, Insert Mouth" (or is that "Open Mouth, 
> INsert Foot" disease.
> 
> I forgot about urpmi.
> 
> I'll try to give that a try.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Syes
> 
> 
> On Monday 24 March 2003 21:33, davidsyes wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > My name is David. I am truly experiencing DEPENDENCY HELL. First of all, to
> > be honest and totally destroy any basis for my following complaints: I DID
> > see the install failure indicate the required dependencies. I DID NOT heed
> > the message. I NEGLIGENTLY WRECKED my 1.6.7 install and now I HATE myself
> > for it. The developers did DUE DILIGENCE and provide me an opportunity, and
> > I BLEW IT. I'VE ONLY MYSELF TO BLAME.
> >
> > That said....
> >
> > I do fully appreciate that the beauty of Linux/Unix is that many numerous
> > little pieces of code do one or 2 things and do them very well and
> > intereact with other pieces of code which in turn have their own little set
> > of activities. Modularity and expertise are GOOD things. I do buy that,
> > easily.
> >
> > I use Mandrake 9.0 currently, and I've tried to move to GNUCash 1.8.1.
> > However, I don't use apt-get, nor do I fully understand how to. I wish to
> > ask that some heads get together for RPM users, as I've spent the last hour
> > debating hari kiri since I removed 1.6.7 after botching it with a forced
> > install of 1.8.1.
> >
> > A question: When will it FINALLY be the case that an install (or maybe
> > Install Shield-like installer) script that yells about the missing
> > dependencies actually offers to go and GET them and bring them back in
> > proper order and to the proper paths and make the symlinks or whatevers are
> > needed?
> >
> > I sometimes do get lucky and things like Cheops or Etherape might work with
> > a missing dependency here or there. But, when a fine and intricate app like
> > GNUCash requires more than 2 or 3 dependencies, it is really asking a lot
> > for newbies to go and get them. The monster OO.o and SO end up at some 245
> > MB and I don't have to go find a thing. But, I recognize the OO.o/Sun
> > developers are legion in size.
> >
> > I would also like to ask that when developers compile or use other pieces
> > of code that they either:
> >
> > ---include the dependencies and then make a script that says "SAY, I'm
> > installing (app name) with the last known dependencies my masters
> > (designers) built against me at compile/build time, but such and such
> > (fast-changing dependency name) may have changed since the release date: do
> > you want me to compare against a master table and correct the matters?", or
> >
> > --"Man/Woman, you ain't GOT the dependencies my masters compiled against;
> > let me go and grab them from my developer's repository or from the actual
> > developer's sites based on what my masters point to, in case the owner's
> > own ftp links changed.. hang on, okay?"
> >
> >
> > Maybe that's how atp-get works, but I'm not apt to keep banging my head
> > silly. I LOVE to evangelize Linux. Really, I do. I can get by with a lot,
> > but a few things that frustrate and put me at a showstopper point and
> > really humble me and make me say, "I cannot **possibly** fix this, and
> > certainly I cannot recommend to a friend who is even vastly inferior to my
> > own inferior Linux skillset..."
> >
> > Finally, I know the common explanation that developers give in response to
> > "Why can you not just include the demanded dependencies with the installing
> > rpm?" is "well the dependencies are large, numerous, and update after we
> > release..."
> >
> > Well, please at least give or offer us what you've got. I've got broadband,
> > and at the right time of night, I can suck down a 5 mb file in 30 seconds
> > or less. I download OpenOffice.org at some 65MB a pop. I am not averse to
> > doing the same for GNUCash, if the dependencies were there. If your cookers
> > or kettles locally hold the dependencies for your own developers, please
> > snapshot the whole sha-bang and help out those of us who respect developers
> > but really don't prefer to be told RTFM, or anything that socially steers
> > us to becoming programmers. Honestly, I hope to earn enough money to donate
> > to or PAY a good Linux developer (I've been called a 'socialist" in a
> > derogatory way) rather than myself becoming a full-fledged programmer.
> >
> > I'd gladly PAY you (developers) $35 if you'd just give me all the
> > dependencies so I don't have to whip out my seppuku knife (is it real or
> > imaginary? Does it matter? The frustration is there and real.) and stare at
> > it cursing my own name and existence. Please, I want to see Linux eclipse
> > ms windoze (for their bad Karma, and to reward Linux developers for their
> > social/global
> > contributinos as geeks/nerds/ and wrongs-righters gusto. It's an admirable
> > role model, but end users need to fit in just a wee bit better to get the
> > critical mass flying faster. After all, I've been paying Mandrake directly
> > some $150 for my past 3 upgrades, and I've bought retail copies of Mdk from
> > 6.5 to 7.2 for about $50-80+. I'm no cheapo. I'll pay if the end result is
> > "better than sex" (I've got a low threshold, so if the app is sleek, I'm
> > hooked!)
> >
> > End of my ramble.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > David Syes

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