Splitting a file into years
keith
keith at bellairs.org
Wed Jul 25 16:57:22 EDT 2007
In year-end closing, the income and expense accounts are all zeroed out.
This is done (more or less) by entering a debit to offset the credit
balance in, say, each income account. The opposing credit goes to an
equity account like "Net Income 2006". When all of the income and
expense accounts balance to zero, the net income account will show the
increase (decrease) in your equity for the year based on your net
income! This is a little simpler than the real world, but usable. In
addition, the trial balance stills balances to zero.
Asset and liability accounts are not closed. All of the transactions
carry forward. Eventually when the asset is disposed or the liability is
paid, the account is of historical interest and could be dropped from
the current year because its balance has gone to zero.
I don't think accountants actually split a file year by year. They use
databases that process millions of rows. Historical data that will not
need to be recomputed can, of course, go into a data warehouse - net
sales by store by month in 2004 does not need to be recomputed every
time you look for it. But it is important that the "closed" transactions
be marked that way. You are not allowed to go back in and adjust your
2004 earnings if you have already told everyone how much they were. So
there is a lock on the transactions in all of the accounts for closed
periods.
So closing is more conceptual than a weeding out of the database. It is
a way of summarizing income and expenses for the year and getting ready
to start counting over again. It does not require removing anything from
the database. (Bookkeepers were taught to write everything in pen:
nothing ever gets deleted out of paper books.)
Not sure how this helps with managing a large gnucash file. I'm
approaching 20K transactions in mine and I wish i weren't. Since I
sometimes want to look back at expenses that are more than a year old, I
am put off by the idea of having to open up different files to try to
find the thing I am looking for. It would be nice to be able to keep a
file for the current year and merge it back into an historical file at
the end of the year.
Keith
Guelph ON
Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:27:16 pm David T. wrote:
>
>> This is something of an aside, but can anyone tell me exactly what steps an
>> accountant would take to split a file by year? I know that one is supposed
>> to use Equity accounts to represent the balances on January 1, but what
>> does one do about unreconciled transactions? Do they carry over, and how do
>> they figure into the Opening Balance transaction?
>>
>> With expense accounts, does one simply clear these out (thereby 'resetting'
>> the expense balance)?
>>
>> What about with Stock assets? Which transactions would one retain in these
>> accounts? I have pondered in the past about how to calculate cost basis for
>> stocks if older transactions get removed, and it seems to me rather
>> important from a tax-reporting perspective to retain this information. If
>> some transactions are retained (such as those that add or remove shares),
>> however, they must be altered in some principled manner to ensure that
>> current account balances remain accurate. How?
>>
>> I have used some sort of computerized banking software for 18 years
>> (Quicken and now GnuCash), and my account structure has evolved into a
>> rather complex beast with transactions going back many years. With loans,
>> mortgages, multiple investment accounts, open and closed credit accounts,
>> tax-free spending accounts (both for myself and my spouse), and expense
>> accounts covering every aspect of my personal life and my independent
>> business, I would really like to be able to know how to split out older
>> portions of the file in a principled way.
>>
>> If I could grok the process, perhaps I could figure out how to automate
>> it...
>>
>> David
>>
>> --- Derek Atkins <warlord at MIT.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>> Quoting Carl Wagner <cwagster at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I have a file I started on 1/1/2006 to the present. I would to split
>>>> this file into two files one for 2006 and the other for 2007. Is this
>>>> possible to do? If so, could you please send me to a How to section.
>>>>
>>> What I do is just:
>>>
>>> cp 2006 2007
>>>
>>> And then leave all the old data in there. GnuCash itself does not have
>>> a tool to do what you want. Jonathan Kamens sent a perl script to
>>> the list (either this of -devel, I forget) a few years ago which can
>>> be used to strip out some transactions, but I dont know if it
>>> will properly keep your books balanced.
>>>
>>> -derek
>>> --
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>
> The program gives you the option of exporting the Account Hierarchy. I simply
> called the export 2007-08, printed out a Balance Sheet, and entered the
> balances in the new accounts as opening balances. Since I am not using
> Gnucash for business, I didn't worry about end-of-year procedures, but these
> should be carried out first. According to the book, they will reduce all
> Revenue accounts to nil.
>
> One question: I tried this some time ago, and the current asset and liability
> balances were exported as well, but not recently. Or did I imagine that?
>
> Doug.
>
>
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