Transfers between bank accounts?

Victoria_Stuart 1 at VictoriasJourney.com
Sat Aug 8 23:30:11 EDT 2009


Hi Maf - Thank you for your kind reply - much appreciated!

I set up the two bank fees as a split transaction - apparently there is a
bug (?!) in this function, that took me some time to figure out (basically,
on the first split line I enter the full amount, then on the following lines
I enter the individual split items?)!  I also get a "Imbalance-CAD"
transaction, that doesn't appear to affect enything though (i.e. the
balances)??

	Imbalance-CAD	   	   	   	   	CAD 47.94	$0.00

My final Chequing Account balance is correct ($58.56).

Regarding my transfers:  The $25 into my business account were from my
personal account (to cover the monthly fees, etc.).  Then I had a big
deposit (reimbursed invoice - my first!), then a big transfer from my
business account to my personal account (I am personally "cash-poor" - at
least until I get another reimbursement - already submitted).  :-)

This is my current Account Summary:

Account Summary 12/31/2009
Code	Account title	   	   	Balance		
	Equipment	   	   	   	$0.00	   
	   	Depreciation Software	   	   	$0.00	   
1774	   	Electronic	   	   	$0.00	   
1774	   	Software	   	   	$0.00	   
1775	   	Depreciation Electronic	   	   	$0.00	   
1787	   	Furniture	   	   	$0.00	   
1788	   	Depreciation Furniture	   	   	$0.00	   
	Current Liabilities	   	   	   	$0.00	   
	   	Loan From Victoria	   	   	CAD 50.00	$0.00	   
2621	   	Accounts Payable	   	   	$0.00	   
3263	   	Dividend Payable	   	   	$0.00	   
	GST	   	   	   	$0.00	   
2680	   	GST Collected	   	   	$0.00	   
2680	   	GST Paid	   	   	$0.00	   
	Payroll	   	   	   	$0.00	   
2624	   	Salaries & Wages	   	   	$0.00	   
2628	   	CPP Company	   	   	$0.00	   
2628	   	CPP Witholding	   	   	$0.00	   
2628	   	EI Company	   	   	$0.00	   
2628	   	EI Witholding	   	   	$0.00	   
2628	   	Fed Witholding	   	   	$0.00	   
2628	   	Prov Witholding	   	   	$0.00	   
	Taxes	   	   	   	$0.00	   
3240	   	Deferred	   	   	$0.00	   
8760	   	Fed Company	   	   	$0.00	   
8760	   	Prov Company	   	   	$0.00	   
9283	   	CPP Company	   	   	$0.00	   
9283	   	EI Company	   	   	$0.00	   
	Other Revenue	   	   	   	$0.00	   
	   	Transfer from Victoria 	   	   	$0.00	   
8100	   	Interest Income CAD	   	   	$0.00	   
8231	   	Currency Adjustments	   	   	$0.00	   
8241	   	Consulting Income CAD	   	   	$0.00	   
8241	   	Consulting Income USD	   	   	$0.00	   
8241	   	Reimbursed Expenses USD	   	   	$0.00	   
8249	   	Reimbursed Expenses CAD	   	   	CAD 1,357.53	$0.00	   
	Direct Expenses	   	   	   	$0.00	   
1770	   	Small Tools	   	   	$0.00	   
8863	   	Consulting Fees	   	   	$0.00	   
9270	   	Outside Services	   	   	$0.00	   
9282	   	R&D Expenses	   	   	$0.00	   
	Other Expenses	   	   	   	$0.00	   
	   	Telephone	   	   	$0.00	   
	   	Transfer from Persagen to Victoria 	   	   	CAD 1,325.00	$0.00	   
	   	Utilities	   	   	$0.00	   
8522	   	Donations	   	   	$0.00	   
8590	   	Bad Debt	   	   	$0.00	   
8670	   	Depreciation Expense	   	   	$0.00	   
8690	   	Insurance 	   	   	$0.00	   
8710	   	Bank Fee - Service Plan 1 Fee	   	   	-CAD 23.90	$0.00	   
8710	   	Bank Fees - Overdraft Interest	   	   	-CAD 0.07	$0.00	   
8810	   	Office Expenses	   	   	$0.00	   
8811	   	Office Stationery	   	   	$0.00	   
8862	   	Accounting Fees	   	   	$0.00	   
8960	   	Repairs	   	   	$0.00	   
	Transport	   	   	   	$0.00	   
	   	Public Transit	   	   	$0.00	   
9200	   	Travel	   	   	$0.00	   
9281	   	Fuel	   	   	$0.00	   
9281	   	Insurance	   	   	$0.00	   
9281	   	Service	   	   	$0.00	   
	Equity	   	   	   	$0.00	   
3543	   	Retained Earnings	   	   	$0.00	   
3660	   	Opening Bal. Equity	   	   	CAD 0.00	$0.00	   
	Current Assets	   	   	   	$0.00	   
	   	Prepaid Expenses	   	   	$0.00	   
1000	   	Chequing Account (TD Service Plan 1)	   	   	CAD 58.56	$0.00	   
1000	   	Undeposited Funds	   	   	$0.00	   
1001	   	Cash	   	   	$0.00	   
1060	   	Accounts Receivable	   	   	$0.00	   
	Imbalance-CAD	   	   	   	   	CAD 47.94	$0.00
	Orphan-CAD	   	   	   	   	$0.00
2781	Long Term Liabilities	   	   	   	$0.00	   
2781	   	Draw Giebler	   	   	$0.00	  

I hope that all of this looks "OK!"  As I mentioned, I am both an accounting
and a GnuCash novice.  I next plan to tackle my Personal Ledger, that will
be considerably more involved.  I'm really excited about this accounting
process - I really see the power - for both my Personal and Professional
Ledgers - for tracking expenses, etc.  It's pretty cool!  :-)

Again, I'm not entirely sure about the transfers (from my personal account
to my business account, and vice versa) - how to enter and describe, but
I'll get it figured out ...

Thanks again!  Victoria  :-)

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Maf. King wrote:
> 
> 
> On Friday 07 August 2009 05:38:13 Victoria_Stuart wrote:
> 
> One thing I would do with the bank charges is split the Service Fee and
> Interest charges into two different expense accounts - maybe something
> like
> 
> Expenses:Bank:Plan Fees
> 
> and
> 
> Expenses:Bank:Interest Charged
> 
>> I'm particularly uncertain how to go about entering transactions between
>> my
>> personal and my business bank accounts - I simply set this up as a
>> transfer
>> to an "Other Expenses" expense account that I made for this purpose,
>> "Transfer from Persagen to Victoria."
> 
> That depends how you are treating the transfers, and indeed what purpose
> they serve.  It may help if you think of yourself and the company as two
> legally distinct entities, at least, in accounting terms.
> 
> Taking the transactions shown in the screen shot (2 off $25 deposits into
> the business):
> 
> Are they loans you are making to the company, repayments to the company of
> a loan already taken by you, or sales income?  (there may be other things
> that they could be, but hopefully, this will illustrate my point).
> 
> Case 1. You Loan the company $25.
> that is a liability for the company.  It is still your money, the company
> is just "looking after" it for a while.  Therefore, it should be recorded
> as a transfer to (something like) Liabilities:LoanFromVictoria.
> 
> Case 2. You are repaying to the company - as above, execpet that the loan
> you owe should be an asset of the company.  A transaction will affect
> something like Assets:LoanToVictoria.
> 
> Case 3.  Pretty much as you have it here - lets say that you sold
> something to yourself, then you would bill yourself much as you would any
> other customer, and record the income as something like Income:sales.
> (Yes, there may be an effect on inventory/COGS, but GC doesn't _do_
> inventory, so let's simplify a bit to get going!)
> 
> Any help, or just more confusing?
> 
>>
>> Also, I don't know why there are the two extra lines at the end (the last
>> transaction appears to be split, for some reason, twice)?!
> 
> Looks to me like you've accidentally put in a couple of blank lines in a
> transaction.  What do you see in the register if you select one of those
> splits (and click the split button on the tool bar, if auto-split is off)?
> 
> HTH, Maf.
> 
> 

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