[GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 184, Issue 61
varda241
varda241 at aol.com
Fri Jul 27 23:15:35 EDT 2018
Thank you all for your responses to my logs issue.I did create a new folder named "logs", but when I tried to move the logs into it, they just refused to move. So I am back to plan a which is deleting them before I. Copy the files to a flush card.Regards, Varda.
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments) (Adrien Monteleone)
2. Re: GNUcash 3.2 file open issue (David Carlson)
3. Re: Logs. (John Ralls)
4. Re: GNUcash 3.2 file open issue (John Ralls)
5. Re: Logs. (Adrien Monteleone)
6. Re: GNUcash 3.2 file open issue (Colin Law)
7. Re: GNUcash 3.2 file open issue (Colin Law)
8. Re: GNUcash 3.2 file open issue (David Carlson)
9. Re: Getting My Account To Trial Balance (David Carlson)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:03:24 -0500
From: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
To: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Nabble Delay? (was Re: Future Payments)
Message-ID: <843CB780-DB99-47A4-ABCA-FE44D641393C at lusfiber.net>
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I certainly never meant to imply conversations need immediate replies. We?re all over the planet and are awake at different instances in time. But I?ve noticed threads that proceed as if some posts aren?t being seen at the time a user makes a reply, and indeed, as DavidT noted, perhaps they aren?t based on this delay issue which was my suspicion.
Certainly, I don?t think this is something that needs to be (or even could be) addressed, it was just a curiosity.
Regards,
Adrien
> On Jul 26, 2018, at 11:13 PM, DaveC49 <davidcousens at bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> Adrien,
>
> I do use Nabble and also get the user list posts by email but as I am in
> Australia I sometiimes notice there is a long delay associated with being in
> this timezone. I'm not sure where the moderators are located but, I tend to
> post usually in the morning AEST (UTC -10:00) and my posts don't often
> appear on Nabble, until the next morning so often the issue has been dealt
> with by the time a post gets up. We need to be aware that not all responders
> are necessarily in the same time zone.
>
> This never seemed to be a problem a couple of years ago but maybe the
> location of the moderator(s) has changed and/or they only have a narrow time
> window available to them to lookover posts. Again no criticism of the
> moderators intended or to be inferred. I have never really expected
> immediate responses in any case so I don't find it too much of a problem but
> it does make conversations on a topic difficult at times.
>
> The delay is not just whether one is subscribed to the mail lists or not
> though. I am subscribed to both gnucash-dev and gnucash-user but use Nabble
> a lot of the time and my posts to both are still passed through a moderator
> and it does not matter whether I reply using Nabble online or by email I
> still receive an email saying my post is awaiting moderation.
>
> David Cousens
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:16:42 -0500
From: David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
To: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] GNUcash 3.2 file open issue
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If I recall, there was an issue unique to another O S, possibly Windows
that required special treatment in the past. Maybe still true.
I am not a developer tho so don't quote me.
David C
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018, 10:58 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
> Yep, a bug for sure. I?m curious why GC creates its own file/print dialogs
> when they could instead call the native OS dialogs. To me, that?s the bug
> and the problem in this thread would also be solved. It?s also less code to
> maintain.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> > On Jul 26, 2018, at 6:06 PM, DaveC49 <davidcousens at bigpond.com> wrote:
> >
> > Adrien, David,
> >
> > The same issue occurs in Linux Mint 19(Tara) which is Ubuntu 18.04 based.
> > Nemo (file explorer) can see the mounted USB stick and access it
> directly
> > or via the /media/<user>/ mount point for the device but the Gnucash file
> > open dialog neither sees the USB stick or /media/<user>/ mount point when
> > you click on other locations. It only lists a restricted set of the
> > directories under / by comparison with what can be accessed from Nemo.
> Not
> > being able to access the /media mount points would qualify as a bug.
> >
> > On LM19 /media has 755 permissions, the user directory under it has 750
> and
> > the mounted USB stick has 755 permissions.
> >
> > The file->Open dialog in LibreOffice which looks to be a similar GTK3
> dialog
> > does display the USB stick in the sidebar and it sees all the directories
> > under / as well as any networked locations which don't show up in GnuCash
> > either.
> >
> > if no-one has already filked a bug i will put one in later today.
> >
> > David Cousens
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:51:53 -0700
From: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
To: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Logs.
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Syslog isn't really appropriate for the transaction logs. They're created as a partial fallback for cases where GnuCash or your computer fails between saves with the XML backend: You can use File>Import>Replay GnuCash .log file... to reinsert any transactions that were created or edited between the last save and the crash. There's really no point to keeping them around and also no point to them at all with a SQL backend which commits all edits (not just transactions) immediately but the transaction logging logic is in a place that can't tell what backend is in use. It's an ancient and somewhat obsolete corner of GnuCash that would have been cleaned up a long time ago had we sufficient resources to do so.
Regards,
John Ralls
> On Jul 27, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
>
> You could also create a log directory wherever you store the account book and then periodically dump them in it just to declutter. But then if you set a log TTL GC probably won?t see them to remove the old ones. Personally, I?d prefer if GC used the OS log facilities than the present ?one big pile along with my files? method. But I?m sure there is a reason for it.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 2:32 AM, Colin Law <clanlaw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering why the log files bother you. Possibly you have done
>> something like saving the accounts file on the desktop, so you see the log
>> files there. If so then that is a bad plan. Instead I suggest making a
>> folder specifically for the accounts file and using File > Save As to save
>> it there. Then you can leave the log file setting at the default and they
>> will be no bother, but will be there in case you need them.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>> On 26 July 2018 at 21:27, varda241--- via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote:
>>
>>> <div>Will try 1 day. Thanks</div><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon ASUS
>>> tablet
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> From:Derek Atkins <warlord at MIT.EDU>
>>> Sent:Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:55:44 -0400
>>> To:varda241 via gnucash-user <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>>> Cc:David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>,varda241 <varda241 at aol.com>
>>> Subject:Re: [GNC] Logs.
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> varda241 via gnucash-user <gnucash-user at gnucash.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not just one or two. There are logs created each time I open the
>>>>> program
>>>>
>>>> Which "log" are you talking about?
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking about the transaction logs?
>>>> Or are you talking about the runtime (trace file) logs?
>>>>
>>>> There is no way to turn off transaction logs -- all you can do is define
>>>> how long they will be kept. The shortest you can set that to is 1 day.
>>>> If you set it to 0 it will keep them forever.
>>>>
>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>>>>
>>>> -derek
>>>>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:07:51 -0700
From: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
To: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] GNUcash 3.2 file open issue
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Yes, a bug, but perhaps in Ubuntu and its derivatives rather than GnuCash, or perhaps the Ubuntu package. Using a Debian Stable VM in the GnuCash File>Open dialog, when I select "Computer" from "Other Locations" I get a full listing of my root directory and have no trouble navigating the /media directory.
If I mount a USB drive it shows up as its own item in the sidebar which, when selected, reveals its path as /media/john/74AB-2AA0. I can navigate to that path starting from the root directory as well as use the sidebar item.
Regards,
John Ralls
> On Jul 27, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
>
> Yep, a bug for sure. I?m curious why GC creates its own file/print dialogs when they could instead call the native OS dialogs. To me, that?s the bug and the problem in this thread would also be solved. It?s also less code to maintain.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 6:06 PM, DaveC49 <davidcousens at bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>> Adrien, David,
>>
>> The same issue occurs in Linux Mint 19(Tara) which is Ubuntu 18.04 based.
>> Nemo (file explorer) can see the mounted USB stick and access it directly
>> or via the /media/<user>/ mount point for the device but the Gnucash file
>> open dialog neither sees the USB stick or /media/<user>/ mount point when
>> you click on other locations. It only lists a restricted set of the
>> directories under / by comparison with what can be accessed from Nemo. Not
>> being able to access the /media mount points would qualify as a bug.
>>
>> On LM19 /media has 755 permissions, the user directory under it has 750 and
>> the mounted USB stick has 755 permissions.
>>
>> The file->Open dialog in LibreOffice which looks to be a similar GTK3 dialog
>> does display the USB stick in the sidebar and it sees all the directories
>> under / as well as any networked locations which don't show up in GnuCash
>> either.
>>
>> if no-one has already filked a bug i will put one in later today.
>>
>> David Cousens
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:13:59 -0500
From: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
To: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Logs.
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Thanks for the explanation. I wasn?t referring so much to syslog facility (my poor word choice) but to the /var/log, ~/Library/Logs, %AppData% locations for storing them.
So if I get this right, they?re just for replaying from last crash, which of course would be after the last open, so previous logs from previous sessions are pointless then? (you wouldn?t need to replay a successfully closed session that is)
Regards,
Adrien
> On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
>
> Syslog isn't really appropriate for the transaction logs. They're created as a partial fallback for cases where GnuCash or your computer fails between saves with the XML backend: You can use File>Import>Replay GnuCash .log file... to reinsert any transactions that were created or edited between the last save and the crash. There's really no point to keeping them around and also no point to them at all with a SQL backend which commits all edits (not just transactions) immediately but the transaction logging logic is in a place that can't tell what backend is in use. It's an ancient and somewhat obsolete corner of GnuCash that would have been cleaned up a long time ago had we sufficient resources to do so.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
>>
>> You could also create a log directory wherever you store the account book and then periodically dump them in it just to declutter. But then if you set a log TTL GC probably won?t see them to remove the old ones. Personally, I?d prefer if GC used the OS log facilities than the present ?one big pile along with my files? method. But I?m sure there is a reason for it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 2:32 AM, Colin Law <clanlaw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am wondering why the log files bother you. Possibly you have done
>>> something like saving the accounts file on the desktop, so you see the log
>>> files there. If so then that is a bad plan. Instead I suggest making a
>>> folder specifically for the accounts file and using File > Save As to save
>>> it there. Then you can leave the log file setting at the default and they
>>> will be no bother, but will be there in case you need them.
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2018 at 21:27, varda241--- via gnucash-user <
>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <div>Will try 1 day. Thanks</div><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon ASUS
>>>> tablet
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> From:Derek Atkins <warlord at MIT.EDU>
>>>> Sent:Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:55:44 -0400
>>>> To:varda241 via gnucash-user <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>>>> Cc:David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>,varda241 <varda241 at aol.com>
>>>> Subject:Re: [GNC] Logs.
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> varda241 via gnucash-user <gnucash-user at gnucash.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not just one or two. There are logs created each time I open the
>>>>>> program
>>>>>
>>>>> Which "log" are you talking about?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you talking about the transaction logs?
>>>>> Or are you talking about the runtime (trace file) logs?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no way to turn off transaction logs -- all you can do is define
>>>>> how long they will be kept. The shortest you can set that to is 1 day.
>>>>> If you set it to 0 it will keep them forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>>>>>
>>>>> -derek
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory
>>>>> Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)
>>>>> URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/ PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH
>>>>> warlord at MIT.EDU PGP key available
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