[GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 192, Issue 50
Martijn Heuts
usadutchies at bellsouth.net
Fri Mar 22 08:29:29 EDT 2019
Hello Geert, thanks for helping out. In my case the client returned an item.
How would you create the credit memo?
Martijn Heuts
Usadutchies at bellsouth.net
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> 1. Processing refunds (Martijn Heuts)
> 2. Re: Unable to add prices to some securities (Derek Atkins)
> 3. Re: Unable to add prices to some securities (Alan Taylor)
> 4. Re: End of year rollover (Derek Atkins)
> 5. Re: The Meaning of Split (previously Example of multi-split
> feature of CSV importer?) (Derek Atkins)
> 6. Re: Processing refunds (Geert Janssens)
> 7. Re: The Meaning of Split (previously Example of multi-split
> feature of CSV importer?) (D)
> 8. Re: Unable to add prices to some securities (Adrien Monteleone)
> 9. Re: macOS Mojave 10.14.3 cannot open GNUCASH (suk wah Bernstein)
> 10. Re: The Meaning of Split (previously Example of multi-split
> feature of CSV importer?) (Adrien Monteleone)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:59:29 +0000 (UTC)
>From: Martijn Heuts <usadutchies at bellsouth.net>
>To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
>Subject: [GNC] Processing refunds
>Message-ID: <202644084.8698518.1553176769878 at mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>Hello,
>When I process a refund I pull up the customer's invoice, click on 'Pay
>invoices' and enter therefund amount in the 'refund' column.
>My P&L report did not show a difference when I compared it before and
>after processing the refund.Is there another way I should process the
>refund or is there a better report to show this refund?
>I would think the total income on the P&L should be less the refund.
>Thanks for giving my better insight in GNUcash!
>Martijn
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 10:07:43 -0400
>From: Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.com>
>To: Alan Taylor <alan.james.taylor at gmail.com>
>Cc: gnucash-user mailing list <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] Unable to add prices to some securities
>Message-ID: <sjmva0cpbgw.fsf at securerf.ihtfp.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>Alan,
>
>Alan Taylor <alan.james.taylor at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Ah ok ? well thank you for your work on a great program.
>>
>> Without wanting to start any flame wars, can I ask for your opinion ?
>> I have been using GnuCash for a long time, 10 years+ and it is an
>> important program for me.
>> I could run it on Linux, MacOS or Windows - given the choice of all
>> three which would you recommend as the best host, purely for GnuCash
>?
>
>In my opinion (humble or otherwise), I feel that Linux is #1, then
>MacOS, and then Windows. Windows is by far a second-class citizen;
>none
>of the developers actually do main development on Windows, whereas John
>DOES do main development on Mac. Most devs still use Linux.
>
>Of course, just my $0.02, so YMMV.
>
>> Brgds/Alan
>
>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
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>-derek
>
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> derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
> Computer and Internet Security Consultant
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 22:11:25 +0800
>From: Alan Taylor <alan.james.taylor at gmail.com>
>To: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us>
>Cc: gnucash-user mailing list <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] Unable to add prices to some securities
>Message-ID:
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>
>John,
>
>Basically reliability, accuracy and trouble free operation. Not the OS
>itself, but GnuCash when running on the OS.
>
>Rightly or wrongly i have the feeling that development time is not
>necessary divided equally among the 3 versions ? Nothing wrong with
>that,
>it?s just I don?t particularly care about the OS so if GnuCash has
>fewer
>problems on a particular OS, then i?ll use that one !
>
>Resource use not a factor.
>
>Cheers/Ala
>
>On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 21:56, John Ralls
><jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us>
>wrote:
>
>> For what set of criteria, weighted and evaluated how?
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>>
>> > On Mar 20, 2019, at 8:10 PM, Alan Taylor
><alan.james.taylor at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ah ok ? well thank you for your work on a great program.
>> >
>> > Without wanting to start any flame wars, can I ask for your opinion
>?
>> > I have been using GnuCash for a long time, 10 years+ and it is an
>> important program for me.
>> > I could run it on Linux, MacOS or Windows - given the choice of all
>> three which would you recommend as the best host, purely for GnuCash
>?
>> >
>> > Brgds/Alan
>> > On 21 Mar 2019, 11:05 +0800, John Ralls
><jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us>,
>> wrote:
>> >> Alan,
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, a bunch of Gtk problems on Macs--some of them my fault from
>an
>> update I did last fall. I've been working on fixing them for the last
>> month, so 3.5 should be *much* better.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> John Ralls
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Mar 20, 2019, at 6:18 PM, Alan Taylor
><alan.james.taylor at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow ? thank you John !
>> >>> That was it for the input interface problems. It solved the
>selection
>> problems for "Save As? (all databases now available) and the
>Namespace
>> issues when manually adding the stock price.
>> >>> Do you know why ? I cannot guess how a second monitor would do
>that ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Brgds/Alan
>> >>> On 20 Mar 2019, 21:48 +0800, John Ralls
><jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us>,
>> wrote:
>> >>>> Do you have more than one monitor? If so, make sure that GnuCash
>is
>> on the main one--the one that has the "Arrangement" tab in System
>> Preferences>Displays.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> John Ralls
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Mar 19, 2019, at 9:58 PM, Alan Taylor <
>> alan.james.taylor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> More things not working properly ?
>> >>>>> In the Save As dialogue there is no way to select sql - click
>on the
>> displayed xml does not reveal any other possibilities
>> >>>>> Also the price editor dialogue does not allow selection of a
>> namespace. There should be several, but it displays ?All
>non-currency? with
>> no other selections possible.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Tried a reinstallation (3.4), no change.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> BRgds/Alan
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> BRgds/Alan
>> >>>>> On 19 Mar 2019, 23:05 +0800, Bucky Carr <bcarr at purgatoire.org>,
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Forgot to mention. For the Online Price update, I switched
>from
>> >>>>>> Alphavantage to Yahoo_JSON and it seems to be working fine.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 3/19/2019 8:47 AM, Alan Taylor wrote:
>> >>>>>>> And of course the Online Price update does not work, I have
>> updated Perl etc. as per the WIKI.
>> >>>>>>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 10:14:41 -0400
>From: Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.com>
>To: Philip Burg <philip_burg at hotmail.com>
>Cc: Matthew Andrews <matthewandrews80 at gmail.com>,
> "gnucash-user\@gnucash.org" <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] End of year rollover
>Message-ID: <sjmr2b0pb5a.fsf at securerf.ihtfp.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>Hi,
>
>Philip Burg <philip_burg at hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> I would like to close my books at the end of my financial year but
>> have access to the previous years files, my thoughts were to archive
>> the file at the end of the year by backing up to a cd/dvd then start
>> afresh with the new financial year. would this be possible. I am
>using
>> windows 10 and Gnucash Version 3.4 Build I.D. 3.4+(2018-12-30)
>
>Archiving old books is always a good idea.
>
>Restarting at the begining of the year, however, is not necessarily is
>good idea. Specifically, there is a Close Books feature that zero's
>out
>your Income & Expense accounts into Equity, but it doesn't actually
>DELETE any data.
>
>Your other option is to Export the account tree which will create an
>empty file and then re-open it. The downside is that you will have to
>reset all your opening balances, and if you use any business features
>you will need to manually re-enter all that metadata too (customers,
>vendors, tax tables, etc). I highly ANTI-recommend this approach.
>
>Personally, I don't do anything. All the reports handle year-end
>accounting without doing anything special. I don't mind seeing my
>income and expense account balances showing lifetime achievements :)
>But that's just me.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>> Regards
>>
>> Philip Burg
>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>
>-derek
>
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> derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 10:17:16 -0400
>From: Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.com>
>To: "David T. via gnucash-user" <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] The Meaning of Split (previously Example of
> multi-split feature of CSV importer?)
>Message-ID: <sjmmulopb0z.fsf at securerf.ihtfp.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>"David T. via gnucash-user" <gnucash-user at gnucash.org> writes:
>
>> I like the terminology ?simple? versus ?compound?, but I do not
>> understand what is meant by a ? two-line simple transaction as a
>> special case of a compound transaction.?
>
>This is what happens you expand a simple transaction (which has only 2
>splits) by clicking on the "Show Splits" button, or change the View to
>Split-ledger or Transaction Journal mode. It will display as a
>compound
>transaction but have only two lines (plus the blank spilt line).
>
>> David
>
>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>
>-derek
>
>--
> Derek Atkins 617-623-3745
> derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
> Computer and Internet Security Consultant
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 15:36:18 +0100
>From: Geert Janssens <geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be>
>To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
>Cc: Martijn Heuts <usadutchies at bellsouth.net>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] Processing refunds
>Message-ID: <12633999.ROiYjsN3YZ at legolas.kobaltwit.lan>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Op donderdag 21 maart 2019 14:59:29 CET schreef Martijn Heuts:
>> Hello,
>> When I process a refund I pull up the customer's invoice, click on
>'Pay
>> invoices' and enter therefund amount in the 'refund' column. My P&L
>report
>> did not show a difference when I compared it before and after
>processing
>> the refund.Is there another way I should process the refund or is
>there a
>> better report to show this refund? I would think the total income on
>the
>> P&L should be less the refund. Thanks for giving my better insight in
>> GNUcash!
>> Martijn
>
>As far as I understand paying a refund doesn't change your income. It
>only moves money from
>one asset account (your bank account) to another asset account (your
>accounts receivable).
>
>Your exact use case is not very clear from your description. What's the
>reason of the refund ?
>* Did the customer pay you more than you invoiced ? In that case the
>income was already
>created by the invoice, the (over)payment and refund were merely asset
>moves.
>
>* Was part of an invoice disputed and the user requested a reduction ?
>In that case you should
>create a credit note first (which would decrease your income), and the
>refund would be to "pay"
>for this credit note.
>
>Regards,
>
>Geert
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 20:16:10 +0530
>From: D <sunfish62 at yahoo.com>
>To: Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.com>, Gnucash Users
> <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] The Meaning of Split (previously Example of
> multi-split feature of CSV importer?)
>Message-ID: <mgmy16r9419r6kbh5t34qi7x.1553179570660 at email.android.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>It seems circular to say that there is a distinction between a simple
>and compound transaction, and then say a simple transaction is a
>special case compound transaction. Then we're back at defining the
>difference between, say, a "split" transaction versus a "multi-split"
>transaction, which we're trying to move away from as justifiably
>confusing.
>
>Calling one a "simple" transaction, and the others "compound" seems
>like enough. Perhaps the explanation of the technical aspects of this
>(i.e., the structure of a two sided simple, as opposed to an n-sided
>{n>2} compound transaction), could use the term "split," as it is
>defined by Gnucash. This would disambiguate the use of the term
>"split," such that it would only be used for this specific case.
>
>Regardless, I am still against the "Ledger entry" locution.
>
>Perhaps we need a translation from American English to British
>English...
>
>David
>
>On March 21, 2019, at 7:47 PM, Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.com> wrote:
>
>"David T. via gnucash-user" <gnucash-user at gnucash.org> writes:
>
>> I like the terminology ?simple? versus ?compound?, but I do not
>> understand what is meant by a ? two-line simple transaction as a
>> special case of a compound transaction.?
>
>This is what happens you expand a simple transaction (which has only 2
>splits) by clicking on the "Show Splits" button, or change the View to
>Split-ledger or Transaction Journal mode. It will display as a
>compound
>transaction but have only two lines (plus the blank spilt line).
>
>> David
>
>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>
>-derek
>
>--
> Derek Atkins 617-623-3745
> derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
> Computer and Internet Security Consultant
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 10:06:25 -0500
>From: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
>To: GnuCash <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] Unable to add prices to some securities
>Message-ID: <6D8E3734-27AB-49D4-B258-1650EE41FC4D at lusfiber.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>Alan,
>
>I?m in agreement with Derek here. Since GnuCash is written using the
>GTK toolkit, which is not native to either Windows or Mac, Linux is the
>top choice. While I use GnuCash daily on Mac, there are a few (though
>easily worked-around) hiccups, such as with multi-monitor setups,
>application tabs, etc.
>
>The only drawback to Linux is if you aren?t comfortable with building
>from source *and* you always want the latest version without upgrading
>your OS. Many distros keep a fixed version in their repository and
>newer versions usually don?t get backported. So if you want a newer
>version, you?ll have to build it. (usually a not very painful process,
>but this varies by system and distro choice) New versions of GnuCash
>for Windows and Mac are always just a download and click away. One of
>the devs is working on maintaining a flatpak image from here on out, so
>that should address this case, but it too comes with some caveats due
>to the sandboxed nature of flatpak apps. (external and network drive
>access need special attention, and report printing is limited to first
>printing to file) One user was kind enough to build a .deb backport of
>3.4 to Ubuntu 18.04 and you can find the links for it in the list
>archives. Perhaps he might do this for 3.5 when it is released as well.
>
>Hope that helps with your decision.
>
>Regards,
>Adrien
>
>> On Mar 21, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Derek Atkins <derek at ihtfp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>
>> Alan Taylor <alan.james.taylor at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Ah ok ? well thank you for your work on a great program.
>>>
>>> Without wanting to start any flame wars, can I ask for your opinion
>?
>>> I have been using GnuCash for a long time, 10 years+ and it is an
>>> important program for me.
>>> I could run it on Linux, MacOS or Windows - given the choice of all
>>> three which would you recommend as the best host, purely for GnuCash
>?
>>
>> In my opinion (humble or otherwise), I feel that Linux is #1, then
>> MacOS, and then Windows. Windows is by far a second-class citizen;
>none
>> of the developers actually do main development on Windows, whereas
>John
>> DOES do main development on Mac. Most devs still use Linux.
>>
>> Of course, just my $0.02, so YMMV.
>>
>>> Brgds/Alan
>>
>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 08:11:24 -0700
>From: suk wah Bernstein <sukwahbernstein at gmail.com>
>To: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us>
>Cc: "Maf. King" <maf at chilwell.net>, gnucash-user mailing list
> <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] macOS Mojave 10.14.3 cannot open GNUCASH
>Message-ID:
> <CAJmkRwPJyb0H5bUexL1HF1DitModXK3AnjDPNcj1zREQf9S7dQ at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
>good news is it is working so long as it stays open.
>not so good news is it intermittently quits unexpectedly.
>
>is there a way to stabilize? thanks so much for everything.
>
>On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 6:49 PM suk wah Bernstein
><sukwahbernstein at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> yay! it opened, quit suddenly, reopened...
>>
>> what great support! such amazing community! so much connection, such
>> love?????
>>
>> blessings
>> suk wah
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 5:19 PM John Ralls
><jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maf's right, 2.4.7 is very old and is indeed too old to run on
>Mojave.
>>> The _inflate_validate error message is consistent with trying to run
>too
>>> old a version of GnuCash. If it's still spinning the beachball then
>by all
>>> means force-quit. Then drag Gnucash to the trash and empty the
>trash.
>>>
>>> You can download the latest release of GnuCash from
>>> https://www.gnucash.org.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> John Ralls
>>>
>>> > On Mar 20, 2019, at 2:07 PM, suk wah Bernstein <
>>> sukwahbernstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I am trying to download Gnucash 3.4, still failing at opening it.
>>> >
>>> > Meanwhile, in Applications Folder, there is a hardrive icon, under
>the
>>> old Gnucash icon, titled Gnucash-Intel-2.4.7
>>> > Wild guess, it may be to do with the Gnucash version that I have
>been
>>> using and working well before upgrading to Mojave. don't know for
>sure.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 1:58 PM Maf. King <maf at chilwell.net>
>wrote:
>>> > On Wednesday, 20 March 2019 19:52:28 GMT suk wah Bernstein wrote:
>>> > > fyi FINDER not responding. force quit?
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:34 AM suk wah Bernstein <
>>> > >
>>> > > sukwahbernstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > fyi color wheels still spinning in desktop where icon is and
>>> Applications
>>> > > > after several hours. email working.
>>> > > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I don't know Macs, but it sounds like a reboot might be a good
>idea.
>>> >
>>> > I am a bit confused, though. You said you had downloaded Gnucash
>3.4,
>>> but
>>> > then you mention GC 2.4.7 - which is *very* old. have you got
>some
>>> old
>>> > partial installation of an old GC lying around?
>>> >
>>> > Maf.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 10:15:56 -0500
>From: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
>To: GnuCash <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
>Subject: Re: [GNC] The Meaning of Split (previously Example of
> multi-split feature of CSV importer?)
>Message-ID: <7B3D07A7-FF0F-46DB-AB1D-87C7088138FB at lusfiber.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>I?m not sure ?ledger entry? is a prime choice either. If we were to
>consider the pen and paper world, this is done as a ?journal entry? but
>that entry always has two components (debit and credit) with at minimum
>two accounts involved. I?m going to dig up my accounting textbook and
>see how they reference the entries but I?m going to hazard an early
>guess that there is no mention of the individual parts of the
>transaction other than debit/credit.
>
>Regards,
>Adrien
>
>> On Mar 21, 2019, at 9:46 AM, D via gnucash-user
><gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote:
>>
>> It seems circular to say that there is a distinction between a simple
>and compound transaction, and then say a simple transaction is a
>special case compound transaction. Then we're back at defining the
>difference between, say, a "split" transaction versus a "multi-split"
>transaction, which we're trying to move away from as justifiably
>confusing.
>>
>> Calling one a "simple" transaction, and the others "compound" seems
>like enough. Perhaps the explanation of the technical aspects of this
>(i.e., the structure of a two sided simple, as opposed to an n-sided
>{n>2} compound transaction), could use the term "split," as it is
>defined by Gnucash. This would disambiguate the use of the term
>"split," such that it would only be used for this specific case.
>>
>> Regardless, I am still against the "Ledger entry" locution.
>>
>> Perhaps we need a translation from American English to British
>English...
>>
>> David
>>
>
>
>
>
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