[GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?

John Ralls jralls at ceridwen.us
Wed Jul 15 10:24:45 EDT 2020 

That would be a rather unconventional way to trigger a dialog box. I doubt that many users would like it.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Jul 15, 2020, at 4:33 AM, fleur <fleur at obscure.org> wrote:
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> I meant entering anything in the box would then pop up the dialog on continue, instead of having it triggered by a button.  I was not clear.
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> No, it does not make your job easier.  Yes, I realize the discussion was about removing functionality to make your job easier.
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>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 4:16 PM, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
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>> It rather obviously can't be a text entry: It's a transaction so it needs to collect all of the requisite fields: Date, number, description, notes, other account, and debit/credit. Instead of being a popup it could transfer focus back to the blank transaction in the register. I don't think that would be a better design since it would provide no cues about what one is supposed to do and the user can do it themselves anyway, no button required.
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>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
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>>> On Jul 13, 2020, at 3:42 AM, fleur <fleur at obscure.org> wrote:
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>>> No compelling reason either way, but a suggestion: For adding an interest transaction on reconciliation, does it have to be a popup?  Could it be a text entry box?  Not knowing the codebase at all, I have no idea what this implies, but IMO it's nicer UX than more clicking.
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>>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 5:38 PM, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
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>>>> Frank and I have both opined on https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest they're an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
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>>>> But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here objects to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling reason do you have for objecting?
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>>>> Regards,
>>>> John Ralls
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>>>>> On Jul 10, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
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>>>>> Thanks Jean,
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>>>>> I filed bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 for the issue with the global preference not being honored.
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>>>>> And bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797855 for the button issue on the two dialogs.
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>>>>> Feel free to combine them if you like. I wasn't sure of developers' intent with the global preference, so I filed them separately.
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>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Adrien
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>>>>> On 7/10/20 5:52 PM, Jean Laroche wrote:
>>>>>> If you open a bug about it, I can try to fix that (move things to the right place etc). At the very least, the global option should be either fixed, or removed.
>>>>>> Jean
>>>>>> On 7/10/20 3:35 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
>>>>>>> For consistency, that very wide button should probably either be changed to a checkbox, then moved or copied to the Account Edit page as a per-account preference. (it could remain in the dialog for discoverability I suppose, which is what I mean by 'copied') One could change it in either place, but ideally, it should be in one place.
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>>>>>>> I'm not sure a global preference (especially one that is ignored) is necessary if each account can be set separately.
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>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Adrien
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>>>>>>> On 7/10/20 5:16 PM, lj wrote:
>>>>>>>> I figured it out. Duh.
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>>>>>>>> There is a button on the Reconcile dialog that says "Enter Interest Payment". In addition to letting you enter an interest payment, clicking that button sets a per-account flag to always prompt for an interest payment when you reconcile.
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>>>>>>>> On the Interest Payment dialog, there is a button "No Auto Interest Payments for this Account". (It's very wide, and I didn't realize it was a button.) That cancels the dialog, and also clears the per-account flag so GnuCash will no longer prompt for interest payment when you reconcile.
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>>>>>>>> And the global preference Register, Reconciling, Automatic interest transfer? It does NOTHING at all. It sets a preference flag which is never used. It's supposed to be the default for accounts without the auto-interest-payment flag, but it doesn't work. Note that in libgnucash/engine/Account.cpp, the function xaccAccountGetAutoInterestXfer() ignores its default_value argument.
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