[GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 217, Issue 29
Steven Anter
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Sun Apr 11 23:07:32 EDT 2021
ver 4.5
unable to change account type to stock. Stock account type not listed
among account types. Please help
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> 1. Re: Trying to download Gnucash data Files (David Carlson)
> 2. program won't load account file (Tom Murphy)
> 3. Re: program won't load account file (Evelyn Yamanaka)
> 4. Re: Trying to download Gnucash data Files (Jack Frillman)
> 5. Re: Trying to download Gnucash data Files (Jose A. Lorido III)
> 6. Re: program won't load account file (Michael or Penny Novack)
> 7. Re: Trying to download Gnucash data Files (David Cousens)
> 8. Scheduled Transactions (Gerald Ellis)
> 9. Re: Scheduled Transactions (Stan Brown)
> 10. Re: Scheduled Transactions (David Carlson)
> 11. Re: Changing Currency in Price Data (Geoff)
> 12. Re: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 217, Issue 28 (Steven Anter)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 13:29:18 -0500
> From: David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
> To: "Jose A. Lorido III" <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> Cc: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>, GnuCash-User
> <gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org>, "Jose A Lorido, III"
> <iepco at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
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> Jose,
>
> Don't worry about recovering those /dll files, they are part of the GnuCash
> program that is freshly installed in your new SSD.
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:18 PM Jose A. Lorido III <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Thanks for reaching out...
> >
> > What I meant by Desktop was that I have, apart from my laptop, a Desktop
> > Computer where the Gnucash Program is also installed.
> >
> > I went to the link you suggested and saw that the default for data files
> > are at: MyAccounts.gnucash.20140131150812.gnucash. The Folder recovered
> > contains a Gnucash Folder but I cannot see any .gnucash files.
> >
> > I took a snippet of the recovered files from my HDD drive that was
> damaged
> > and have attached it, and you can see that the Gnucash folder contains 2
> > .dll files. Are these my data files, or could they be inside any other
> > folder that was recovered?
> >
> > Appreciate your help,
> >
> > Jose
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:51 PM John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 11, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Jose A. Lorido III <fhcatares at gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To whomever may be able to help,
> > > >
> > > > I have been using Gnucash for my business as well as my personal
> > > accounting
> > > > on the HDD drive of my laptop. A few weeks ago, my HDD was damaged
> and
> > > > unfortunately, I had not backed up any of my data for the previous 3
> > > years.
> > > >
> > > > I sent my damaged HDD to SalvageData and they were able to recover a
> > > number
> > > > of files, some of these belonging to the Gnucash program.
> > > >
> > > > The question would be to anyone that may be able to help me is:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Which files/folders contain my data files (what would be the
> > > extensions
> > > > I should look for)?
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > 2) How would I go about downloading them into my new SSD drive on my
> > > > laptop, or I could also download them to my desktop which also
> contains
> > > the
> > > > Gnucash program?
> > > >
> > > > Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated,
> > >
> > > 1) See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup.
> > >
> > > Your Desktop is just a folder in your user directory on the new SSD. We
> > > often get complaints about clutter from users who put their GnuCash
> data
> > > file on the desktop so we recommend putting it in dedicated folder in
> > their
> > > user or documents folder. Mine is cleverly named "Accounts".
> > >
> > > The data recovery service should give you instructions about how to
> > > transfer the recovered files to your computer.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Ralls
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:04:07 -0700
> From: "Tom Murphy" <tommurph52 at gmail.com>
> To: <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> Subject: [GNC] program won't load account file
> Message-ID: <003a01d72f05$736ca180$5a45e480$@com>
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> After a recent Windows update when I open Gnucash I get an error message
> that reads "No suitable background data was found for (my file
> name.gnucash). I upgraded to version 4.5 but still couldn't load the file.
> What could be the problem?
>
>
>
> Tom Murphy
>
> tommurph52 at gmail.com
>
> 530-957-1949
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:23:57 -0400
> From: Evelyn Yamanaka <evelyn.yamanaka at gmail.com>
> To: Tom Murphy <tommurph52 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] program won't load account file
> Message-ID:
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> Looking at the code, there's no error message for "No suitable
> background data found"
>
> Are you sure the error is not "No suitable backend found?" There have
> been several reports of this error in the past.
>
> Perhaps one of these threads may be helpful:
>
> http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=1415818&query=No+suitable+backend&days=0
>
> -E
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 3:04 PM Tom Murphy <tommurph52 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > After a recent Windows update when I open Gnucash I get an error message
> > that reads "No suitable background data was found for (my file
> > name.gnucash). I upgraded to version 4.5 but still couldn't load the
> file.
> > What could be the problem?
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Murphy
> >
> > tommurph52 at gmail.com
> >
> > 530-957-1949
> >
> >
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:09:05 -0400
> From: Jack Frillman <jcf_m_lists at me.com>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
> Message-ID: <ccb8be16-f3b7-4e4a-dea8-605dfd0a98f2 at me.com>
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> What OS are you using?
> It makes a difference where you find them.
>
> For the down loading if your OS is Linux you can easily copy the files
> to another computer using ssh.? That's what I do to back my data files
> and config files from my Mac to my Linux laptop.
>
> On 4/11/21 12:33 PM, Jose A. Lorido III wrote:
> > To whomever may be able to help,
> >
> > I have been using Gnucash for my business as well as my personal
> accounting
> > on the HDD drive of my laptop. A few weeks ago, my HDD was damaged and
> > unfortunately, I had not backed up any of my data for the previous 3
> years.
> >
> > I sent my damaged HDD to SalvageData and they were able to recover a
> number
> > of files, some of these belonging to the Gnucash program.
> >
> > The question would be to anyone that may be able to help me is:
> >
> > 1) Which files/folders contain my data files (what would be the
> extensions
> > I should look for)?
> >
> > and
> >
> > 2) How would I go about downloading them into my new SSD drive on my
> > laptop, or I could also download them to my desktop which also contains
> the
> > Gnucash program?
> >
> > Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated,
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jose
> > _______________________________________________
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> - Anonymous
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:27:01 -0400
> From: "Jose A. Lorido III" <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> To: Jack Frillman <jcf_m_lists at me.com>
> Cc: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Jack,
>
> Thanks for your comments.....I am on Windows 10.....
>
> Jose
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 4:09 PM Jack Frillman via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote:
>
> > What OS are you using?
> > It makes a difference where you find them.
> >
> > For the down loading if your OS is Linux you can easily copy the files
> > to another computer using ssh. That's what I do to back my data files
> > and config files from my Mac to my Linux laptop.
> >
> > On 4/11/21 12:33 PM, Jose A. Lorido III wrote:
> > > To whomever may be able to help,
> > >
> > > I have been using Gnucash for my business as well as my personal
> > accounting
> > > on the HDD drive of my laptop. A few weeks ago, my HDD was damaged and
> > > unfortunately, I had not backed up any of my data for the previous 3
> > years.
> > >
> > > I sent my damaged HDD to SalvageData and they were able to recover a
> > number
> > > of files, some of these belonging to the Gnucash program.
> > >
> > > The question would be to anyone that may be able to help me is:
> > >
> > > 1) Which files/folders contain my data files (what would be the
> > extensions
> > > I should look for)?
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > 2) How would I go about downloading them into my new SSD drive on my
> > > laptop, or I could also download them to my desktop which also contains
> > the
> > > Gnucash program?
> > >
> > > Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated,
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jose
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > gnucash-user mailing list
> > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:36:33 -0400
> From: Michael or Penny Novack <stepbystepfarm at comcast.net>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] program won't load account file
> Message-ID: <16e3f6e9-1128-a920-c618-8a039e90f1b2 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 4/11/2021 3:04 PM, Tom Murphy wrote:
> > After a recent Windows update when I open Gnucash I get an error message
> > that reads "No suitable background data was found for (my file
> > name.gnucash). I upgraded to version 4.5 but still couldn't load the
> file.
> > What could be the problem?
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Murphy
> >
>
> As one person has already suggested, are you sure you aren't slightly
> misreporting the "error" message? And what exactly did you mean by a
> "Windows update"? One of the minor updates MS sends out every so often?
> Or change of Windows version?
>
> Windows (or some other OS) that allows us to open an object of type file
> by clicking on it depends on an association between file type and
> application. Now MS will have these set by default to its own
> applications for known file types (file extensions). If you want to use
> another application (say you are using LibreOffice instead of the MS
> Office suite) it is up to you to change those associations for each file
> type (each? file extension). Or with some other application that uses
> its own type << as gnucash does >>? When an application is installed, it
> might during that process create the association, but that can be lost
> in an OS upgrade*.
>
> What version of Windows are you using? For example, if Windows 10,
> settings => apps => Default apps => Choose default apps by file type???
> Go down this list and see what app is specified for file type .gnucash
> << you have to make that gnucash in order for you to be able to open a
> .gnucash file by clicking on it.
>
> But first ---- try opening gnucash and using file => open see what
> happens when you select this file to open << done this way, no
> association of file type with app is necessary >>
>
>
> Michael D Novack
>
> * My suspicion is that MS is sometimes clearing those associations in
> upgrades, substituting THEIR applications as defaults. They want you to
> use THEIR products. But of course they have none for .gnucash.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:20:40 -0500 (CDT)
> From: David Cousens <davidcousens at bigpond.com>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
> Message-ID: <1618176040298-0.post at n4.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Jose,
>
> The gnucash data files are xml text files (except if you are using a
> database backend). You just open the media they are on with File Explorer
> and copy the required file to the desired location on your laptop hard
> drive
> or SSD as appropriate. If you are unable to recover the main data file
> "<yourfilename>.gnucash" you can also recover from the backup files and
> you have recovered backup files with the format
> "yourfilename>.gnucash.<datetimestamp>.gnucash" where <datetimestamp> has
> the format "yyyymmddhhmmss". If you rename the most recent of these to
> "<yourfilename>.gnucash" ( make sure to keep a backup copy of it) it will
> then work as the main data file. You will unfortunately lose any
> transactions entered between the time of the backup file and when your hard
> disk crashed. If there are any log files which have a more recent date time
> stamp than the backup file you use, these can be imported into GnuCash to
> recover the data but it will not necessarily be complete unless you have
> all
> the log files created.
>
> if you use both a laptop and a desktop you can either use a cloud server
> like Dropbox, Google Drive, One DRive etc. which is accessible from both
> machines and is automatically synced. Be careful about having the program
> running on both machines at the same time. If they are networked on a LAN,
> you can also use a program like Unison to keep the copies on different
> machines in sync. If you do use Unison be careful not to sync any cloud
> server synced folders like Dropbox etc folders which are synced externally
> over the internet. Unison can be used to sync files remotely but you need a
> remotely accessible URL.
>
> I would suggest keeping all your GnuCash data files in their own
> folder/directory with a separate sub folder /directory in turn for each set
> of books you maintain. That way you can backup and/or sync the complete
> folder and not worry about backing up individual files.
>
>
>
> -----
> David Cousens
> --
> Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:45:33 -0500
> From: Gerald Ellis <gellis at aeneas.net>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Scheduled Transactions
> Message-ID:
> <376bcabe6c2e76d8d1966fcac2135d3dc349fdc6.camel at aeneas.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> I have a scheduled transaction for my weekly contribution to the
> church. I make this contribution by check each week. I can not find a
> way to get the scheduler to add the next available check number so I
> have been adding it manually after the transaction posts. The problem
> is that the system does not recognize the addition of the check number
> and when I enter another check the next number is always the number of
> the last check entered by the scheduler and needs to be "stepped up" to
> the correct number manually. Is there some way to get the scheduler to
> enter the correct check number with the transaction or to get the
> number entered manually to be remembered?
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:14:35 -0700
> From: Stan Brown <the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm>
> To: GnuCash User List <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> Cc: Gerald Ellis <gellis at aeneas.net>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled Transactions
> Message-ID: <6e8c0e16-6211-37cb-9b4b-98840001f42d at fastmail.fm>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> On 2021-04-11 14:45, Gerald Ellis wrote:
> > I have a scheduled transaction for my weekly contribution to the
> > church. I make this contribution by check each week. I can not find a
> > way to get the scheduler to add the next available check number so I
> > have been adding it manually after the transaction posts. The problem
> > is that the system does not recognize the addition of the check number
> > and when I enter another check the next number is always the number of
> > the last check entered by the scheduler and needs to be "stepped up" to
> > the correct number manually. Is there some way to get the scheduler to
> > enter the correct check number with the transaction or to get the
> > number entered manually to be remembered?
>
> You can tick the "notify me when created" box in the scheduled
> transaction editor. Then when the transaction fires, simply enter the
> check number at that time. Remember to press the Enter key to commit the
> edited transaction.
>
> It's not fully automated, but I think it's faster than editing the
> scheduled transaction every week in the scheduled transactions editor.
>
> --
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com
> https://OakRoadSystems.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:48:15 -0500
> From: David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
> To: Stan Brown <the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm>
> Cc: GnuCash User List <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>, Gerald Ellis
> <gellis at aeneas.net>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled Transactions
> Message-ID:
> <CADYgSb=7aHa_SBiGmJ0GsU=Q7exuEt9Sw3p=
> XAhwgUzk4wMVKA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> The system check number incrementation feature may only work correctly if
> the focus is in the checking account register when the number is entered.
> Thus it may or may not recognize numbers that are added from the Since Last
> Run assistant. I know it does not recognize numbers in the check register
> if they are added from expense registers or from other asset or liability
> account registers for a particular transaction.
>
> I frequently use the trick to include an alpha character in the number when
> I want to prevent the check number from incrementing. That is the opposite
> of what you want.
>
> If you are not in the US you may call it cheque number. That wouldn't
> trick a spell checker into changing it to cheek number.
>
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 6:15 PM Stan Brown <the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 2021-04-11 14:45, Gerald Ellis wrote:
> > > I have a scheduled transaction for my weekly contribution to the
> > > church. I make this contribution by check each week. I can not find a
> > > way to get the scheduler to add the next available check number so I
> > > have been adding it manually after the transaction posts. The problem
> > > is that the system does not recognize the addition of the check number
> > > and when I enter another check the next number is always the number of
> > > the last check entered by the scheduler and needs to be "stepped up" to
> > > the correct number manually. Is there some way to get the scheduler to
> > > enter the correct check number with the transaction or to get the
> > > number entered manually to be remembered?
> >
> > You can tick the "notify me when created" box in the scheduled
> > transaction editor. Then when the transaction fires, simply enter the
> > check number at that time. Remember to press the Enter key to commit the
> > edited transaction.
> >
> > It's not fully automated, but I think it's faster than editing the
> > scheduled transaction every week in the scheduled transactions editor.
> >
> > --
> > Stan Brown
> > Tehachapi, CA, USA
> > https://BrownMath.com
> > https://OakRoadSystems.com
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>
>
> --
> David Carlson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:30:19 +1000
> From: Geoff <cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com>
> To: David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>, John Ralls
> <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> Cc: Gnucash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>, Ingo Planz
> <planz at pantherrey.de>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Changing Currency in Price Data
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> Here's my 20 cents on this topic (and I am not an accountant):
>
> If the security changed currency, it should be treated as a corporate
> event, and set up as a new security. The balance of the original
> security should be set to zero, and you can twiddle the exchange rates
> to record any gains or losses. It might be helpful to think of it as a
> take over or buy out.
>
> If an underlying security is listed on multiple exchanges, or listed in
> multiple currencies, again you should treat them as separate securities,
> with separate price feeds. It might be helpful to think of each them as
> separate derivatives (eg options etc). You can bet your bottom
> dollar/euro/yen that there will be market makers sitting in front of
> each of them taking a clip.
>
> Regards
>
> Geoff
> =====
>
> On 12/04/2021 2:57 am, David Carlson wrote:
> > Isn't it possible that a stock can be quoted in more that one currency?
> If
> > it is traded on more than one exchange or priced privately, possibly if
> it
> > is not traded publicly but a private price is publicly available as a few
> > securities such as XDNIX (quoted on Yahoo) in the United States. I think
> > GnuCash can track such cases if the user wants to track them.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 11:16 AM John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 10, 2021, at 6:25 AM, Ingo Planz <planz at pantherrey.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> in my price data, the currency for one of the stocks has changed. It
> >> used to be in EUR, which is also the default currency and reporting
> >> currency. Since recently that stock price is stored in JPY.
> >>> I also do have the corresponding exchange rate in the price database as
> >> well.
> >>>
> >>> However, both the values computed for both the Accounts tab as well as
> >> reports (method: nearest in time) ignore the newer JPY prices and use
> the
> >> final EUR price.
> >>>
> >>> If I do delete all the EUR prices, it works as expected and computes
> >> values by converting the JPY prices with the exchange rate.
> >>>
> >>> Am I missing something or am I doing it wrong? Can I change the
> currency
> >> in the stock price data like this?
> >>
> >> GnuCash understands the currency in which the stock is priced to be the
> >> currency of the stock account's immediate parent, so you would create a
> >> parent account of type ASSET denominated in JPY and make that new
> account
> >> the stock account's parent.
> >>
> >> But why exactly did the stock's quote currency change? That's not a
> common
> >> occurrence.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Ralls
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:43:26 -0700
> From: Steven Anter <anter.s at gmail.com>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
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> > 1. Re: Changing Currency in Price Data (John Ralls)
> > 2. Trying to download Gnucash data Files (Jose A. Lorido III)
> > 3. Re: asset discrepancy in change of year (John Ralls)
> > 4. Re: Changing Currency in Price Data (David Carlson)
> > 5. Re: Trying to download Gnucash data Files (Michael Hendry)
> > 6. Re: Trying to download Gnucash data Files (Glenn Fowler)
> > 7. Re: Trying to download Gnucash data Files (Jose A. Lorido III)
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:09:12 -0700
> > From: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> > To: Ingo Planz <planz at pantherrey.de>
> > Cc: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Changing Currency in Price Data
> > Message-ID: <C5BD4892-B9AD-4B33-B419-DB823803E9B6 at ceridwen.us>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 10, 2021, at 6:25 AM, Ingo Planz <planz at pantherrey.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > in my price data, the currency for one of the stocks has changed. It
> > used to be in EUR, which is also the default currency and reporting
> > currency. Since recently that stock price is stored in JPY.
> > > I also do have the corresponding exchange rate in the price database as
> > well.
> > >
> > > However, both the values computed for both the Accounts tab as well as
> > reports (method: nearest in time) ignore the newer JPY prices and use the
> > final EUR price.
> > >
> > > If I do delete all the EUR prices, it works as expected and computes
> > values by converting the JPY prices with the exchange rate.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something or am I doing it wrong? Can I change the
> currency
> > in the stock price data like this?
> >
> > GnuCash understands the currency in which the stock is priced to be the
> > currency of the stock account's immediate parent, so you would create a
> > parent account of type ASSET denominated in JPY and make that new account
> > the stock account's parent.
> >
> > But why exactly did the stock's quote currency change? That's not a
> common
> > occurrence.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:33:42 -0400
> > From: "Jose A. Lorido III" <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> > To: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org
> > Cc: "Jose A. Lorido III" <ciscosupply at aol.com>, "Jose A Lorido, III"
> > <iepco at aol.com>
> > Subject: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > CAFS927raP0HGZdXP2dsB+zei7YOp1LU21om9qhnjmTAxwr08Uw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > To whomever may be able to help,
> >
> > I have been using Gnucash for my business as well as my personal
> accounting
> > on the HDD drive of my laptop. A few weeks ago, my HDD was damaged and
> > unfortunately, I had not backed up any of my data for the previous 3
> years.
> >
> > I sent my damaged HDD to SalvageData and they were able to recover a
> number
> > of files, some of these belonging to the Gnucash program.
> >
> > The question would be to anyone that may be able to help me is:
> >
> > 1) Which files/folders contain my data files (what would be the
> extensions
> > I should look for)?
> >
> > and
> >
> > 2) How would I go about downloading them into my new SSD drive on my
> > laptop, or I could also download them to my desktop which also contains
> the
> > Gnucash program?
> >
> > Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated,
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jose
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:41:48 -0700
> > From: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> > To: Andrea Borgia <andrea at borgia.bo.it>
> > Cc: Gnucash <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] asset discrepancy in change of year
> > Message-ID: <39EE5768-E70E-4CC1-897B-B6C5AB4FE663 at ceridwen.us>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 11, 2021, at 5:01 AM, Andrea Borgia <andrea at borgia.bo.it>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Il 10/04/21 20:33, John Ralls ha scritto:
> > >
> > >
> > >> 1) No, but that's separate from trading accounts. That's the point of
> > the bug report.
> > >>
> > >> 2) No, the trading accounts just make it obvious that you haven't
> > booked the gain/loss.
> > >>
> > >> 3) That's back to the discussion in the bug. When you trade securities
> > in a foreign currency you have *two* sources of gains/losses: The gain or
> > loss realized in the foreign currency from the sale of the security and
> the
> > gain or loss from converting the foreign currency back into your home
> > currency. Study that bug and the spreadsheets that CDB-Man has attached.
> > The basic point that CDB-Man (an actual accountant licensed in Canada)
> > makes is that every time you touch an asset denominated in something
> other
> > than your home currency the change must be converted back to your home
> > currency and the change in home currency value booked as a gain/loss.
> It's
> > possible, but difficult, to do this in GnuCash. Trading Accounts don't
> > really help.
> > >
> > > So, as an "executive summary" of sorts: I can't win and even a tie is
> > out of the question ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm trying to think how to handle it as simply as possible; I'll study
> > the bug report because I'd like to understand it but I'd rather avoid
> > complicated manual work to be carried out each time I buy or sell funds,
> > because that will happen seldom enough that I'd basically have to relearn
> > the whole process each time :(
> > >
> > >
> > > Would keeping the books open, without "trading accounts", across years
> > actually help? I'd still be calculating a profit / loss by closing the
> > income / expense accounts, but that's all. Somehow I think this would
> just
> > hide the problem, though.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, I could keep "trading accounts" enabled, see how much
> > unrealized profit / loss I have for the year and factor in that when
> > calculating the initial capital for the following year. That's actually
> the
> > situation I am in right now: the discrepancy between initial capital in
> > 2021 and end capital of 2020 is precisely the amount listed by the
> trading
> > account, for both EUR and USD.
> >
> > The bug report documents a significant shortcoming in GnuCash's design.
> > There's no simple workaround, only the manual work described in the bug
> > report.
> >
> > Closing your book and starting a new file every year makes for additional
> > work for tracking investments as you must re-create the buy transactions
> in
> > the new file so that you can keep track of the basis and holding period.
> > Aside from that there's no difference in booking realized gains/losses.
> >
> > You may be confusing "recognized gains" and "realized gains". A realized
> > gain (or loss) is the change in value between a buy and a sell
> transaction.
> > In contrast an unrealized gain is the change in the value of an asset
> that
> > you still own. If you update prices in GnuCash then you can display the
> > value of your assets at the latest price on the Accounts page and in
> > various reports if you select "latest" as the price source. A recognized
> > gain is a realized gain that you've correctly recorded with a pair of
> > splits. A balance in a trading account indicates that you have
> unrecognized
> > realized gains.
> >
> > Your statement about recalculating the initial capital each year suggests
> > marking to market, that is creating a transaction that recognizes the
> > unrealized gain at the end of the year, changing the basis of the stocks.
> > That's generally required only of banks and investment companies and it
> has
> > substantial tax consequences. You should do so only with the advice and
> > guidance of a locally-licensed accountant or tax advisor.
> >
> > The problem described in the bug report is that even those trading
> account
> > balances don't tell the whole story because they don't convert your USD
> > realized gains to EUR and recognize the gain/loss on converting USD->EUR.
> > As long as the amounts are small enough to not concern your tax
> authorities
> > the discrepancy is somewhat academic, but if the amounts aren't small you
> > should get professional advice about how to handle it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 11:57:21 -0500
> > From: David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
> > To: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> > Cc: Ingo Planz <planz at pantherrey.de>, Gnucash Users
> > <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Changing Currency in Price Data
> > Message-ID:
> > <CADYgSbnJm-J4fxjhN3B9OD23kN4SndToku_nGerDD5h=
> > H7bD9Q at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Isn't it possible that a stock can be quoted in more that one currency?
> If
> > it is traded on more than one exchange or priced privately, possibly if
> it
> > is not traded publicly but a private price is publicly available as a few
> > securities such as XDNIX (quoted on Yahoo) in the United States. I think
> > GnuCash can track such cases if the user wants to track them.
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 11:16 AM John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 10, 2021, at 6:25 AM, Ingo Planz <planz at pantherrey.de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > in my price data, the currency for one of the stocks has changed. It
> > > used to be in EUR, which is also the default currency and reporting
> > > currency. Since recently that stock price is stored in JPY.
> > > > I also do have the corresponding exchange rate in the price database
> as
> > > well.
> > > >
> > > > However, both the values computed for both the Accounts tab as well
> as
> > > reports (method: nearest in time) ignore the newer JPY prices and use
> the
> > > final EUR price.
> > > >
> > > > If I do delete all the EUR prices, it works as expected and computes
> > > values by converting the JPY prices with the exchange rate.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something or am I doing it wrong? Can I change the
> > currency
> > > in the stock price data like this?
> > >
> > > GnuCash understands the currency in which the stock is priced to be the
> > > currency of the stock account's immediate parent, so you would create a
> > > parent account of type ASSET denominated in JPY and make that new
> account
> > > the stock account's parent.
> > >
> > > But why exactly did the stock's quote currency change? That's not a
> > common
> > > occurrence.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Ralls
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > gnucash-user mailing list
> > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe:
> > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
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> > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information.
> > > -----
> > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > David Carlson
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:03:56 +0100
> > From: Michael Hendry <hendry.michael at gmail.com>
> > To: "Jose A. Lorido III" <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> > Cc: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org, "Jose A. Lorido III"
> > <ciscosupply at aol.com>, "Jose A Lorido, III" <iepco at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
> > Message-ID: <6D4D305D-F2FC-43DF-9264-498B9F73EB31 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > > On 11 Apr 2021, at 17:33, Jose A. Lorido III <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > To whomever may be able to help,
> > >
> > > I have been using Gnucash for my business as well as my personal
> > accounting
> > > on the HDD drive of my laptop. A few weeks ago, my HDD was damaged and
> > > unfortunately,
> >
> > I feel your pain, Jose!
> >
> > > I had not backed up any of my data for the previous 3 years.
> > >
> > > I sent my damaged HDD to SalvageData and they were able to recover a
> > number
> > > of files, some of these belonging to the Gnucash program.
> > >
> > > The question would be to anyone that may be able to help me is:
> > >
> > > 1) Which files/folders contain my data files (what would be the
> > extensions
> > > I should look for)?
> >
> > The folder you want is the folder you chose to use when you first
> > installed Gnucash.
> >
> > By default, this will be your Documents folder, but you may have chosen
> to
> > put your files elsewhere.
> >
> > The most important files are <YourBusiness>.gnucash and
> <Personal>.gnucash
> > - whatever you have called the books you?re working on.
> >
> > Gnucash also makes back-ups in files like
> > <YourBusiness>.gnucash.20210407161740.gnucash and maintains logs in files
> > like <YourBusiness>.gnucash.20210407160520.log, which include the date
> and
> > time in their filenames.
> >
> > If you can recover the current files (<YourBusiness>.gnucash, and
> similar)
> > then you?re in luck!
> >
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > 2) How would I go about downloading them into my new SSD drive on my
> > > laptop, or I could also download them to my desktop which also contains
> > the
> > > Gnucash program?
> >
> > I suggest you put any recovered files in Documents/Accounts
> > (Documents\Accounts if you?re a Windows user), make backups!, and then
> open
> > them with Gnucash in the normal way.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Michael Hendry
> >
> > PS If you have created Custom Reports and saved them, they?ll be in a
> file
> > called ?saved-reports-2.8?, stored in a folder which depends on your
> > operating system
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 13:01:11 -0400
> > From: Glenn Fowler <gfowler1 at outlook.com>
> > To: "Jose A. Lorido III" <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> > Cc: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org, "Jose A. Lorido III"
> > <ciscosupply at aol.com>, "Jose A Lorido, III" <iepco at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> >
> SJ0PR19MB444558E0D18E42C348C05F488F719 at SJ0PR19MB4445.namprd19.prod.outlook.com
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Try to get the .gnucash files or the backup ones which will look like
> > Example.20210411125501.gnucash
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:33 PM Jose A. Lorido III <fhcatares at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To whomever may be able to help,
> > >
> > > I have been using Gnucash for my business as well as my personal
> > accounting
> > > on the HDD drive of my laptop. A few weeks ago, my HDD was damaged and
> > > unfortunately, I had not backed up any of my data for the previous 3
> > years.
> > >
> > > I sent my damaged HDD to SalvageData and they were able to recover a
> > number
> > > of files, some of these belonging to the Gnucash program.
> > >
> > > The question would be to anyone that may be able to help me is:
> > >
> > > 1) Which files/folders contain my data files (what would be the
> > extensions
> > > I should look for)?
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > 2) How would I go about downloading them into my new SSD drive on my
> > > laptop, or I could also download them to my desktop which also contains
> > the
> > > Gnucash program?
> > >
> > > Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated,
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jose
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > gnucash-user mailing list
> > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe:
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> > > -----
> > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 13:17:05 -0400
> > From: "Jose A. Lorido III" <fhcatares at gmail.com>
> > To: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> > Cc: GnuCash-User <gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org>, "Jose A Lorido,
> > III" <iepco at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Trying to download Gnucash data Files
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAFS927oLK6TSd4a9p0RJ5XRk+6bC3wccfk6ZTqV9D=
> > jCVWjMqQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Thanks for reaching out...
> >
> > What I meant by Desktop was that I have, apart from my laptop, a Desktop
> > Computer where the Gnucash Program is also installed.
> >
> > I went to the link you suggested and saw that the default for data files
> > are at: MyAccounts.gnucash.20140131150812.gnucash. The Folder recovered
> > contains a Gnucash Folder but I cannot see any .gnucash files.
> >
> > I took a snippet of the recovered files from my HDD drive that was
> damaged
> > and have attached it, and you can see that the Gnucash folder contains 2
> > .dll files. Are these my data files, or could they be inside any other
> > folder that was recovered?
> >
> > Appreciate your help,
> >
> > Jose
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:51 PM John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Apr 11, 2021, at 9:33 AM, Jose A. Lorido III <fhcatares at gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > To whomever may be able to help,
> > > >
> > > > I have been using Gnucash for my business as well as my personal
> > > accounting
> > > > on the HDD drive of my laptop. A few weeks ago, my HDD was damaged
> and
> > > > unfortunately, I had not backed up any of my data for the previous 3
> > > years.
> > > >
> > > > I sent my damaged HDD to SalvageData and they were able to recover a
> > > number
> > > > of files, some of these belonging to the Gnucash program.
> > > >
> > > > The question would be to anyone that may be able to help me is:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Which files/folders contain my data files (what would be the
> > > extensions
> > > > I should look for)?
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > 2) How would I go about downloading them into my new SSD drive on my
> > > > laptop, or I could also download them to my desktop which also
> contains
> > > the
> > > > Gnucash program?
> > > >
> > > > Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated,
> > >
> > > 1) See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup.
> > >
> > > Your Desktop is just a folder in your user directory on the new SSD. We
> > > often get complaints about clutter from users who put their GnuCash
> data
> > > file on the desktop so we recommend putting it in dedicated folder in
> > their
> > > user or documents folder. Mine is cleverly named "Accounts".
> > >
> > > The data recovery service should give you instructions about how to
> > > transfer the recovered files to your computer.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Ralls
> > >
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