From dbreiser at icloud.com Fri Oct 1 00:21:40 2021 From: dbreiser at icloud.com (David Reiser) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 00:21:40 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX Connect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chase has a different out-of-band verification scheme that Citi does. It?s somewhere in the wiki. I don?t remember anyone reporting success with Discover. -- Dave Reiser dbreiser at icloud.com > On Sep 30, 2021, at 10:49 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > > I have been trying for hours to get this to work. I have it working for my checking account and a Citi Bank credit card, but I can't get it to work for my Chase or Discover cards! Sometimes when setting up it asks for my password and sometimes it does not and I don't know why that is. When I try to retrieve the account list I get this message: > > 22:36:53 Sending request... > 22:36:53 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. > 22:36:53 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM:AEAD > 22:36:53 Waiting for response... > 22:36:53 Operation finished, you can now close this window. > > There is no "success" message and the account doesn't show up "Online Bank Account" screen. > > I have tried the wiki information page and that is how I got the Citi Bank to work, but no luck with Chase or Discover. Has anyone set them up successfully? And why isn't asking for my password during the initial setup? > > > Thank You, > Gyle McCollam > > Gyle McCollam > > 609.680.2326 Mobile > > gmccollam at live.com email > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From christopher.lck at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 02:22:37 2021 From: christopher.lck at gmail.com (Christopher Lam) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 06:22:37 +0000 Subject: [GNC] table header alignment in easy invoice and customer reports In-Reply-To: <05dec68e-055b-2f25-6244-448f56e36f3c@fusionsystems.co.za> References: <05dec68e-055b-2f25-6244-448f56e36f3c@fusionsystems.co.za> Message-ID: You could edit the "CSS-based stylesheet (experimental)" and use this instead of "Easy", Then add somewhere body > table:nth-child(5) > thead > tr > th {text-align:left;} On Thu, 30 Sept 2021 at 15:44, James Thorpe wrote: > I've just migrated from an old 3.5x version to 4.8 and copied across my > saved report configurations. > > I have two - my invoice and customer report based on the "Easy Invoice" > report with "Easy" stylesheet and "Customer Report" also with "Easy" > stylesheet. > > The problem is that for some reason the customer information in the > report which is in the header in the left hand column, is not left > aligned any more. > > I exported to HTML to see what was going on and the problem is that the > table containing the customer information has its margins set to "auto". > This means that it is effectively centred in the table cell that wraps it. > > On the Easy Invoice report I can add some custom css: > > .client-table > table {width:100%;} > > This fixes it there but there is no custom css option for the "Customer > Report". > > That one also exports with the table definition as follows: > > style="margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;"> > > Does anyone know where I can hack the source somewhere that causes this > table to be given these auto margin properties? > > (or if there's a cleaner way of doing it, I'm all ears) > > Thanks > > -- > -- > James Thorpe > 061 476 2775 > James at fusionsystems.co.za > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From borden_c at tutanota.com Fri Oct 1 05:49:26 2021 From: borden_c at tutanota.com (Borden) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 11:49:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [GNC] Project moderation and governance Message-ID: I have used GNUCash for over 16 years personally and professionally. I hoped to repay the effort into the project by contributing knowledge from my professional accounting training and experience - plus some amateur programming skills. I hoped that this knowledge could help the project grow and benefit everybody. In early September, a user on the devel list said several incorrect and insulting things. I replied firmly, yet tactfully, in a single message explaining why the user was wrong. I let it go after that. Some seven hours later, someone who self-identified as a moderator called me an "offender" on-list - as if I'm a criminal - and e-mailed me personally to say: > I don't permit this on our mailing lists. > I privately email offenders, like this to keep it quiet. I asked this person which code of conduct I breached. I should know what's expected of me. I received this reply: > you participated in an argument which was not about the code. > you followed up on an unacceptable post - that's my job. Fair enough, but there is no way of knowing what the rules are, and I spoke up because nobody else did to curb misinformation. The mod continued: > these policies are not written and promulgated, so I don't have to get > into any discussion, I just make a ruling. This is troubling. Codes of conduct are fundamental to organisations of any size. Rules tell members what is expected of them and provides fair and consistent ways to resolve problems. Letting one person "just make a ruling" leads to abuse. We abandoned Tudor courts where members curry favour with arbitrary rulers claiming divine right for this reason. I suggested that this person communicate expectations in a more welcoming and inclusive way. I also conceded that I might have misread the tone, and so I offered to help?with future communication. This person ignored my feedback and accused me disparaging doctors. It's a ridiculous thing to say - I owe my life to medicine many times over! It is ironic to be accused of being disrespectful and irrelevant - without evidence - in a disrespectful and irrelevant e-mail. I don't want to be bullied. To be certain, I support moderation. I'm saying that there's a good way to communicate expectations and manage conflict, and there's what this person did. I wanted to become an active GNUCash contributor, improve documentation (starting with explaining what "debit" and "credit" mean, since there's still a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation) and help users with their accounting issues, but I also I appreciate that nobody cares whether I stay. Nevertheless, I can't see talent gravitating to toxic environments, so I want to appeal to the project's admins in hopes that there will be change lest the project suffocate itself. From James at fusionsystems.co.za Fri Oct 1 06:53:30 2021 From: James at fusionsystems.co.za (James Thorpe) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 12:53:30 +0200 Subject: [GNC] table header alignment in easy invoice and customer reports In-Reply-To: References: <05dec68e-055b-2f25-6244-448f56e36f3c@fusionsystems.co.za> Message-ID: <6f89180c-9cdc-645f-8902-e94a9e1e5968@fusionsystems.co.za> Thanks Christopher That helped - I switched to the "CSS-based stylesheet (experimental)" and then did a bunch of modifications to make it look like my old "Easy" based report, including the one you suggested. If it helps anyone, here are the mods I added to the end of the CSS, including the option of adding a banner image- /* Center body and make it A4 width */ body { ?? width: 210mm; ?? margin-left: auto; ?? margin-right: auto; } h3 { ??? background-image: url(/home/share/james/work/fusionsystems/logos/final/banner_small.png); ??? padding-top: 60px; ??? background-repeat: no-repeat; } /* Details table (ie 5th table) to be fill body */ body > table:nth-child(5) { ?? width: 100%; } /* Details table (ie 5th table) last 3 rows to be highlighted - totals */ body > table:nth-child(5) tbody tr:nth-last-child(-n+3) { ??? background-color: yellow; } /* Customer and Company tables to have a bit of space below them */ body > table:nth-child(3) { ? margin-bottom: 1em; } Thanks again James On 2021/10/01 08:22, Christopher Lam wrote: > You could edit the "CSS-based stylesheet (experimental)" and use this > instead of "Easy", Then add somewhere > > body > table:nth-child(5) > thead > tr > th {text-align:left;} > > > On Thu, 30 Sept 2021 at 15:44, James Thorpe > wrote: > > I've just migrated from an old 3.5x version to 4.8 and copied > across my > saved report configurations. > > I have two - my invoice and customer report based on the "Easy > Invoice" > report with "Easy" stylesheet and "Customer Report" also with "Easy" > stylesheet. > > The problem is that for some reason the customer information in the > report which is in the header in the left hand column, is not left > aligned any more. > > I exported to HTML to see what was going on and the problem is > that the > table containing the customer information has its margins set to > "auto". > This means that it is effectively centred in the table cell that > wraps it. > > On the Easy Invoice report I can add some custom css: > > .client-table > table {width:100%;} > > This fixes it there but there is no custom css option for the > "Customer > Report". > > That one also exports with the table definition as follows: > >
style="margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;"> > > Does anyone know where I can hack the source somewhere that causes > this > table to be given these auto margin properties? > > (or if there's a cleaner way of doing it, I'm all ears) > > Thanks > > -- > -- > James Thorpe > 061 476 2775 > James at fusionsystems.co.za > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- -- James Thorpe 061 476 2775 James at fusionsystems.co.za From bsoffer at soffer-law.com Fri Oct 1 09:01:03 2021 From: bsoffer at soffer-law.com (Benjamin Soffer) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 13:01:03 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Customizing Invoice Default Due Date Message-ID: Hello, I'm using GNC version 3.8 in Windows. When posting a new invoice, is there a way to customize the "Due Date" so that it is 15 days after the "Post Date" by default? (Currently, the default Due Date is the same as the Post Date.) Thank you Ben Soffer From derek at ihtfp.com Fri Oct 1 09:10:57 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:10:57 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Customizing Invoice Default Due Date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c3bf9a548.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Set your billing terms. Although I don't remember if it allows an arbitrary delay. I know 30 days is supported. -derek Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On October 1, 2021 9:02:46 AM Benjamin Soffer wrote: > Hello, > > I'm using GNC version 3.8 in Windows. > > When posting a new invoice, is there a way to customize the "Due Date" so > that it is 15 days after the "Post Date" by default? (Currently, the > default Due Date is the same as the Post Date.) > > Thank you > > Ben Soffer > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From bsoffer at soffer-law.com Fri Oct 1 11:41:48 2021 From: bsoffer at soffer-law.com (Benjamin Soffer) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 15:41:48 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Customizing Invoice Default Due Date In-Reply-To: <17c3bf9a548.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> References: <17c3bf9a548.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Message-ID: It's ignoring the billing terms I am setting. Benjamin E. Soffer | THE SOFFER LAW FIRM PC T 818.963.8998 21550 Oxnard Street, Suite 300 Woodland Hills, CA 91367-7109 www.soffer-law.com _______________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise me, the sender, by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments (including from your "Deleted Items" or "Trash" folder) without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. From: Derek Atkins [mailto:derek at ihtfp.com] Sent: 10/01/2021 6:11 AM To: Benjamin Soffer ; gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Customizing Invoice Default Due Date Set your billing terms. Although I don't remember if it allows an arbitrary delay. I know 30 days is supported. -derek Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On October 1, 2021 9:02:46 AM Benjamin Soffer > wrote: Hello, I'm using GNC version 3.8 in Windows. When posting a new invoice, is there a way to customize the "Due Date" so that it is 15 days after the "Post Date" by default? (Currently, the default Due Date is the same as the Post Date.) Thank you Ben Soffer _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From robinraymn at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 17:01:50 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 16:01:50 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled Transaction Posting Order Message-ID: Is there a way to control the posting order of scheduled transactions? For example, I have scheduled transaction A that runs every two weeks (payroll) and scheduled transaction B (kids' allowance) that runs every week. For the bank account side of the transaction, it would be nice if the deposit (from transaction A) would appear in the register before the withdrawal (from transaction B). I get that it's just an appearance thing in the register as all the accounts are set to display using the standard order. It's not something that's worthy of a patch, even if I knew how to code C/C++, I wouldn't waste time on this; I was just curious if the posting order could be controlled within the context of the existing user experience. Thanks, Robin From the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 1 17:30:58 2021 From: the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm (Stan Brown) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:30:58 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled Transaction Posting Order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e7526c4-6246-240b-963f-e066de81e662@fastmail.fm> On 2021-10-01 14:01, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > Is there a way to control the posting order of scheduled transactions? > > For example, I have scheduled transaction A that runs every two weeks > (payroll) and scheduled transaction B (kids' allowance) that runs every > week. > > For the bank account side of the transaction, it would be nice if the > deposit (from transaction A) would appear in the register before the > withdrawal (from transaction B). You can put something in the Num field in the Scheduled Transaction Editor. For instance, you could number the deposit as 1 and the withdrawal as 2. That's not terribly satisfactory, since every other week you will have a 2 but not a 1, but it's the best I know how to do. (I'm using GC 2.6.19, but I don't imagine the Scheduled Transaction Editor has dropped the Num field in later versions.) Another possibility is simply to let the transactions appear, and then assign numbers to the new posted transactions. GC will display transactions in Num order. -- Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com From kg7je at arrl.net Fri Oct 1 17:39:38 2021 From: kg7je at arrl.net (Steve Butler) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 14:39:38 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled Transaction Posting Order In-Reply-To: <6e7526c4-6246-240b-963f-e066de81e662@fastmail.fm> References: <6e7526c4-6246-240b-963f-e066de81e662@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: Other approach is to have the payroll happen the day before (think day of week) the allowance. On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 14:32 Stan Brown wrote: > > On 2021-10-01 14:01, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > > Is there a way to control the posting order of scheduled transactions? > > > > For example, I have scheduled transaction A that runs every two weeks > > (payroll) and scheduled transaction B (kids' allowance) that runs every > > week. > > > > For the bank account side of the transaction, it would be nice if the > > deposit (from transaction A) would appear in the register before the > > withdrawal (from transaction B). > > You can put something in the Num field in the Scheduled Transaction > Editor. For instance, you could number the deposit as 1 and the > withdrawal as 2. > > That's not terribly satisfactory, since every other week you will have a > 2 but not a 1, but it's the best I know how to do. > > (I'm using GC 2.6.19, but I don't imagine the Scheduled Transaction > Editor has dropped the Num field in later versions.) > > Another possibility is simply to let the transactions appear, and then > assign numbers to the new posted transactions. GC will display > transactions in Num order. > > -- > Stan Brown > Tehachapi, CA, USA > https://BrownMath.com > https://OakRoadSystems.com > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gfowler1 at outlook.com Fri Oct 1 17:58:51 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 17:58:51 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed Message-ID: Hello all, I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as expected but do not appear in the register until you press . With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? Thank you Glenn From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 18:39:13 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 17:39:13 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glen, I live in the other camp that wants to review every scheduled transaction as it is entered, so I set them all to remind in advance. I thought that if you configured them to Create Automatically it would work as you want. Then you wouldn't even see a a Since Last Run pop up when starting GnuCash. Maybe not. However, if SLR does pop up, that would serve as your prompt to accept the transactions. On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 5:00 PM Glenn Fowler wrote: > Hello all, > > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as > expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of > trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? > > Thank you > Glenn > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gmccollam at live.com Fri Oct 1 18:53:38 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 22:53:38 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled Transaction Posting Order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robin, According to the help menu, if you give the scheduled transaction for A a lower number than B, it should come 1st in the register. That is if you have the standard sort order selected, see below: Account Register - View Menu The View menu in the Menubar. Table 4.3, ?Account Tree - View-Menu - Changes display window view.? is supplemented for the transaction view by the following entries. Table 4.13. Account Register - View-Menu - Changes GnuCash display window characteristics. Menu Item Description Basic Ledger Radio button to select register display mode. See Tutorial and Concepts Guide, Choosing a Register Style. Auto-Split Ledger Radio button to select register display mode. Transaction Journal Radio button to select register display mode. Double Line Check-box to enable/disable display of Double Line display. Sort by... Set the sort order of the transactions display. Requires a click to start options form. Option form requires Cancel/OK to close. Standard Order Keep normal order: date posted [day], number, date entered [second] [a] , description. Date Sort by date. Date of Entry Sort by date of entry. Statement Date Sort by the statement date (unreconciled items last). Number Sort by number. Amount Sort by amount. Memo Sort by memo. Description Sort by Description. Action Sort by action field. Notes Sort by notes field. Reverse Order Reverse the sort order. Save Sort Order Save the sort order between sessions. [a] The ?date entered? is usually invisible. Use a report to display it. Hope this helps. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Robin Chattopadhyay Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 5:01 PM To: Gnucash Users Subject: [GNC] Scheduled Transaction Posting Order Is there a way to control the posting order of scheduled transactions? For example, I have scheduled transaction A that runs every two weeks (payroll) and scheduled transaction B (kids' allowance) that runs every week. For the bank account side of the transaction, it would be nice if the deposit (from transaction A) would appear in the register before the withdrawal (from transaction B). I get that it's just an appearance thing in the register as all the accounts are set to display using the standard order. It's not something that's worthy of a patch, even if I knew how to code C/C++, I wouldn't waste time on this; I was just curious if the posting order could be controlled within the context of the existing user experience. Thanks, Robin _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From list+gnucash at jdlh.com Fri Oct 1 19:09:28 2021 From: list+gnucash at jdlh.com (Jim DeLaHunt) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 16:09:28 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Project moderation and governance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Borden: I too have been using GnuCash for quite a while. I too follow the gnucash-devel list, so I think I read the thread[1] to which you refer. I sympathise with your frustration. I noted some rude and insulting talk directed at you from someone else on that thread. However, I can't agree with the level of direness in your message below. What you are pointing out are imperfections in a generally strong and well-run project. I don't see this as something seriously wrong with product moderation or governance. I also don't agree with some of your characterisations of that thread, at least of I saw in the public list posts. You say that you replied "in a single message" to a user who said several incorrect and insulting things. I see you posting five times in reply to at least three people. You say that 'a moderator called me an "offender" on-list - as if I'm a criminal'. I saw one post from a moderator[2], referring to "offenders", but not identifying you are anyone else as the offenders. You say, "[t]his person" [in context, seems to refer to "someone who self-identified as a moderator"]? "ignored my feedback and accused me disparaging doctors." This seems out of character for the moderator. I of course don't know the content of private messages between that moderator and you. But I did see a message to you which seemed to accuse you of disparaging doctors. That message was? from a person who was rude and insulting in general, not from the moderator. You are more likely to persuade someone like me of a need for better product moderation or governance, if I can see that your summary of the evidence matches how I read that evidence. Sure, it would be better for this project to have a well-written and well-followed code of conduct, rather than the current unwritten one. But an unwritten code is better than some alternatives ? including a poorly-written code of conduct, or a code which is flouted. I can point you to other projects which demonstrate those alternatives. And my experience with Liz the moderator[2] is good. She intervened last year when a GnuCash community member was being rude and abusive, to me and others, on a scale and for a duration much greater than the thread above. She gave that person warnings, threatened a block, and then the abuse stopped. I will take that moderation over some of the alternatives. I appreciate her work. You say, "I appreciate that nobody cares whether I stay." Well, I care. This project has a lot which needs doing. Many hands make light work. As a fellow participant, I would rather have your contributions. But also, don't expect everyone to agree with you. You say,? "I can't see talent gravitating to toxic environments". I can't either, but oh my, this environment does not qualify as "toxic". I could show you some which do. The environment here is actually pretty good. Don't expect it to be free of minor bruises. I get some myself from time to time. But they heal. This project isn't bad. Best regards, ???? ?Jim "no strong opinions on Fiscal Year terminology" DeLaHunt, Vancouver, Canada [1] https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2021-September/045946.html and another thread which was part of the original discussion but is at the top level of the archive listing for some reason. [2] https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2021-September/045973.html On 2021-10-01 02:49, Borden via gnucash-user wrote: > I have used GNUCash for over 16 years personally and professionally. I hoped to repay the effort into the project by contributing knowledge from my professional accounting training and experience - plus some amateur programming skills. I hoped that this knowledge could help the project grow and benefit everybody. > > In early September, a user on the devel list said several incorrect and insulting things. I replied firmly, yet tactfully, in a single message explaining why the user was wrong. I let it go after that. > > Some seven hours later, someone who self-identified as a moderator called me an "offender" on-list - as if I'm a criminal - and e-mailed me personally to say: > >> I don't permit this on our mailing lists. >> I privately email offenders, like this to keep it quiet. > I asked this person which code of conduct I breached. I should know what's expected of me. I received this reply: > >> you participated in an argument which was not about the code. >> you followed up on an unacceptable post - that's my job. > Fair enough, but there is no way of knowing what the rules are, and I spoke up because nobody else did to curb misinformation. The mod continued: > >> these policies are not written and promulgated, so I don't have to get >> into any discussion, I just make a ruling. > This is troubling. Codes of conduct are fundamental to organisations of any size. Rules tell members what is expected of them and provides fair and consistent ways to resolve problems. Letting one person "just make a ruling" leads to abuse. We abandoned Tudor courts where members curry favour with arbitrary rulers claiming divine right for this reason. > > I suggested that this person communicate expectations in a more welcoming and inclusive way. I also conceded that I might have misread the tone, and so I offered to help?with future communication. > > This person ignored my feedback and accused me disparaging doctors. It's a ridiculous thing to say - I owe my life to medicine many times over! It is ironic to be accused of being disrespectful and irrelevant - without evidence - in a disrespectful and irrelevant e-mail. > > I don't want to be bullied. To be certain, I support moderation. I'm saying that there's a good way to communicate expectations and manage conflict, and there's what this person did. > > I wanted to become an active GNUCash contributor, improve documentation (starting with explaining what "debit" and "credit" mean, since there's still a lot of misunderstanding and misinformation) and help users with their accounting issues, but I also I appreciate that nobody cares whether I stay. Nevertheless, I can't see talent gravitating to toxic environments, so I want to appeal to the project's admins in hopes that there will be change lest the project suffocate itself. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gfowler1 at outlook.com Fri Oct 1 19:11:15 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 19:11:15 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, I have the show notification window and the review created transactions selections off so in my case they should appear automatically. With your preference they would be on. On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 6:39 PM David Carlson wrote: > Glen, > > I live in the other camp that wants to review every scheduled transaction > as it is entered, so I set them all to remind in advance. > > I thought that if you configured them to Create Automatically it would > work as you want. Then you wouldn't even see a a Since Last Run pop up > when starting GnuCash. Maybe not. However, if SLR does pop up, that > would serve as your prompt to accept the transactions. > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 5:00 PM Glenn Fowler wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings >> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as >> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until >> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to >> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of >> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >> >> Thank you >> Glenn >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > From robinraymn at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 19:29:11 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2021 18:29:11 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled Transaction Posting Order In-Reply-To: References: <6e7526c4-6246-240b-963f-e066de81e662@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: Oh, right. Duh! I used to have the allowance post on Saturday (payroll on Friday). Some time ago, I changed it so they both post on Friday. Now, I remember why I had it set up the way I did. Robin On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 4:40 PM Steve Butler wrote: > Other approach is to have the payroll happen the day before (think day of > week) the allowance. > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 14:32 Stan Brown wrote: > > > > > On 2021-10-01 14:01, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > > > Is there a way to control the posting order of scheduled transactions? > > > > > > For example, I have scheduled transaction A that runs every two weeks > > > (payroll) and scheduled transaction B (kids' allowance) that runs every > > > week. > > > > > > For the bank account side of the transaction, it would be nice if the > > > deposit (from transaction A) would appear in the register before the > > > withdrawal (from transaction B). > > > > You can put something in the Num field in the Scheduled Transaction > > Editor. For instance, you could number the deposit as 1 and the > > withdrawal as 2. > > > > That's not terribly satisfactory, since every other week you will have a > > 2 but not a 1, but it's the best I know how to do. > > > > (I'm using GC 2.6.19, but I don't imagine the Scheduled Transaction > > Editor has dropped the Num field in later versions.) > > > > Another possibility is simply to let the transactions appear, and then > > assign numbers to the new posted transactions. GC will display > > transactions in Num order. > > > > -- > > Stan Brown > > Tehachapi, CA, USA > > https://BrownMath.com > > https://OakRoadSystems.com > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From graham at evroysystems.com Sat Oct 2 00:10:30 2021 From: graham at evroysystems.com (Graham Ward) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:10:30 +1300 Subject: [GNC] GnuCash help: How to set the default invoice layout Message-ID: <06c1819e-9278-0229-c91f-2401116a0449@evroysystems.com> Hi, firstly I hope you are able to help, and secondly thank you very much for doing so! I am relatively new too GnuCash and have been watching videos and going through a fair bit of the documentation on invoicing. So far I have setup a new style sheet for the invoice that I have created, as well as edited the options when viewing my invoice. I have saved a new config too. However what is still annoying now is that even though I have everything setup GnuCash still insists on giving me the plain vanilla default invoice whenever I click the option to "Print Invoice" when I am viewing the invoice. The only way it appears to me to be able to print using the saved configuration/style is that even though I already have my invoice open and a button available to print, I can't use it. Instead I have to go back to "Accounts", click Reports -> Saved Report Configurations -> select report configuration, go to Options select Invoice Number and search for it, double click the invoice found and click OK. there surely has to be a way to setup the default config and style used so the "*Print Invoice*" button seen below works as required, when viewing the invoice. Thanks everyone. Graham From robinraymn at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 11:58:44 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Message-ID: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 libofx 0.9.15 I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported previously). I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file again, I had the same experience as described above 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would try anyway. 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions in a single dialog Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I found this (I don't know if it's relevant): -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed Thanks, Robin From commissaris.mike at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 12:14:02 2021 From: commissaris.mike at gmail.com (Mike Commissaris) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 09:14:02 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue Message-ID: Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ gnucash-docs-4.8.sh I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build directory. I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs in ver 4.8. Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? -- Mike From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Sat Oct 2 12:51:16 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:51:16 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5592989.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 18:14:02 CEST schreef Mike Commissaris: > Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. > With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ > gnucash-docs-4.8.sh > I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory > Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build > directory. > I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs in > ver 4.8. > Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? The autotools based build system for gnucash-docs has been deprecated in favor of the cmake based build system. In gnucash-docs 4.8, the bits to use autotools have been fully removed. The new way of building is summarized as follows: - create a build directory (eg 'build') next to your source directory - cd build - cmake ../ - make If you used to set an installation prefix while running configure you may want do to the equivalent for your cmake run. The syntax is "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=" Regards, Geert From simgunz at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 12:58:18 2021 From: simgunz at gmail.com (Simone Gaiarin) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:58:18 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Set up GnuCash to track monthly net income considering taxes and pension fund contributions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This seems an acceptable solution. Thanks. On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 4:07 PM Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > You can achieve the ad-hoc nature of a templated transaction by setting > the frequency of the scheduled transaction to 'Once'. > > Set up your scheduled transaction, set the frequency to 'Once', run the > scheduled transactions/Since Last Run option, fill in the variables, then > proceed. > > The next time you want to run that specific template, edit the scheduled > transaction by changing the start date and running the scheduled > transaction process again. > > Robin > > On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 5:12 AM Christopher Lam > wrote: > >> The only mechanism that really exists to have "templated arbitrary >> formulas" is to use the periodic Scheduled Transactions. It would be nice >> to have them created ad-hoc (ie menu item Create Transaction from Template >> which pops up a list of available templates) instead of periodically... >> >> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021, 5:34 pm Simone Gaiarin, wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the reply Rich. >> > >> > My main question is: is there a way to automate these calculations in >> > GNUCash or for each transaction I need to compute and input each >> component >> > of the income by hand? >> > I have read the GNUCash documentation but I was not able to figure out >> if >> > this is possible or not. >> > >> > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 8:32 AM Simone Gaiarin >> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi all, >> > > I need help in setting up GnuCash to achieve the following goal: >> > > - Track my monthly net income (after taxes and pension fund >> contribution) >> > > >> > > Situation: >> > > I give a service that I invoice per hour and the cost paid by the >> > customer >> > > consists of the following components: >> > > >> > > x: Cash payment = y + p1 >> > > y: Service gross cost >> > > p1: 1st pension fund contribution = 0,02 * y >> > > >> > > On y I have to pay also: >> > > t1: tax I have to pay = 0,05 * y >> > > p2: 2nd pension fund contribution = 0,10 * (y - t1) >> > > >> > > Accounts: >> > > >> > > - Income >> > > >> > > - Bank Account >> > > >> > > - Tax >> > > - Pension fund >> > > >> > > Given that I pay out of my bank account the taxes twice a year and the >> > > contribution to the pension fund twice a year, the 'Income chart' >> report >> > > does not give me a clear view of my net income over the month. >> > > >> > > I tried to set up a tax table where I used some equivalent >> coefficients >> > in >> > > order to automatically assign t1 to Tax account and p1, p2 to the >> Pension >> > > fund account (rather difficult given that here the tax and pension >> fund >> > are >> > > computed in cascade), but I wonder if this is the correct strategy >> (the >> > > Pension fund account goes negative instead of positive for example). >> > > >> > > What is the correct way to proceed in order to obtain a monthly net >> > income >> > > chart considering the taxes and pension fund contribution percent over >> > each >> > > customer payment? >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > gnucash-user mailing list >> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> > ----- >> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > From dw at davidwhiting.me.uk Sat Oct 2 13:48:14 2021 From: dw at davidwhiting.me.uk (david whiting) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:48:14 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Newest version for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeff, On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 07:11, Jeff wrote: [...] > I would settle for a copy of "Building the Newest Version of GNC for > Dummies Course" book. Others have shown you that you can use flatpak to get the latest version, but if you do want to build from source I have found that the following works on Ubuntu 20.04. I have also attached it as a script. This clones the source from git and by default builds the maintenance version. The versions are tagged, so you can use git to checkout a different version and build that if you want, e.g. you could build 4.8 rather than maint. ==== build-gnucash.sh ==== ## Change this if you want to build it somewhere else. SOURCEDIR="$HOME/Documents/gnucash/source" BUILDDIR="$HOME/Documents/gnucash/build" sudo apt update sudo apt upgrade sudo apt-get install build-essential ## This is one long line sudo apt install git make cmake libglib2.0-dev libxml2-dev libxslt1-dev libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev gettext swig guile-3.0-dev libofx-dev xsltproc libboost-all-dev libdbi1 libdbi-dev libdbd-sqlite3 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-1-dev aqbanking-tools libaqbanking-dev gwenhywfar-tools libgwengui-gtk3-dev # Only use the next 2 lines if you have not installed [[Google_Test | Google Test]] already. sudo apt install libgtest-dev # >=1.7.0 sudo apt install google-mock # 1.8.0 installs googlemock in a subdirectory of gtest mkdir -p $SOURCEDIR mkdir -p $BUILDDIR ## Clone gnucash source from git, if it is not already there [ ! -d $SOURCEDIR/gnucash ] && git clone https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.git $SOURCEDIR cd $BUILDDIR cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/opt/gnucash $SOURCEDIR make ==== end of script ==== David -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: build-gnucash.sh Type: application/x-shellscript Size: 972 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ripngo at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 14:51:40 2021 From: ripngo at gmail.com (Jean L) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:51:40 -0700 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08cf656d-09e4-c1a8-054b-51edf5f309af@gmail.com> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file had transfers between accounts. I see two issues here: 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see comment above) 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as before) If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the imported transactions were already present in the target account. This is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions already exist in your target account. SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular editor) whether that FITID exists. Jean On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) > Gnucash 4.8 > libofx 0.9.15 > > I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got > a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single > security in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. > This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities > (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported > previously). > > I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): > 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this > file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file > to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file > again, I had the same experience as described above > 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through > the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, > but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic > transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for > a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for > each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single > security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would > try anyway. > 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions > in a single dialog > > Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I > found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > > Thanks, > Robin > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Sat Oct 2 16:26:19 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 22:26:19 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <5592989.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Please remember to send replies to the list rather than individual users. Particularly if you are soliciting for answers from "anyone" ;) As to your problems, can you provide more details ? It's been a while since I tested the mobi format. Back then it worked fine, also with cmake. You have to enable it explicitly though by passing '-DWITH_MOBI=ON' to the cmake call. I wouldn't spend too much effort on it though. We're currently considering to drop that format. It has been abandoned by Amazon as well. Regards, Geert Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 19:40:30 CEST schreef Giuseppe Foti: > I am fighting with it too, trying to create a gentoo ebuild for it. > > At now I can build, html and epub. > > With pdf I have a sandbox access violation issue, > > Can anyone confirm that "mobi" can be built both for "help" and "guide" ? > > > > > Il 02/10/21 18:51, Geert Janssens ha scritto: > > Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 18:14:02 CEST schreef Mike Commissaris: > > Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. > With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ > gnucash-docs-4.8.sh > I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory > Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build > directory. > I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs in > ver 4.8. > Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? > > The autotools based build system for gnucash-docs has been deprecated in > favor of the cmake based build system. > > In gnucash-docs 4.8, the bits to use autotools have been fully removed. > > The new way of building is summarized as follows: > > - create a build directory (eg 'build') next to your source directory > - cd build > - cmake ../ > - make > > If you used to set an installation prefix while running configure you may > want do to the equivalent for your cmake run. > The syntax is "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=" > > Regards, > > Geert > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gnucash at acarver.net Sat Oct 2 17:47:03 2021 From: gnucash at acarver.net (AC) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 14:47:03 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest Message-ID: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that I can see. I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work the same way? If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to update? I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not one for every point version)? From jralls at ceridwen.us Sat Oct 2 17:56:12 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 14:56:12 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <593714C9-818C-434E-9E9F-172612B5962F@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > > Hello all, > > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as > expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register until > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them to > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead of > trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. Regards, John Ralls From colinfarndt at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 18:01:11 2021 From: colinfarndt at gmail.com (Colin) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:01:11 -0700 Subject: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 222, Issue 51 In-Reply-To: <35DEA096-7501-4FC3-A2F2-1FA1D4E805CD@icloud.com> References: <8BA9D2DF-1972-4697-9579-40D42F681715@gmail.com> <35DEA096-7501-4FC3-A2F2-1FA1D4E805CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <45CEFC0C-B5F3-4C4D-A1DC-98180E59BAA0@gmail.com> Hi Steve, The UID is just a numeric string used to uniquely identify you. That?s why you need to use a generator to get one but it doesn?t come from your bank, etc. Which part are you confused about on the UUID instructions? The Wiki?s General Info section at the top links to a site that generates UUIDs for you. That will need to be copied and pasted into GnuCash. Best, Colin > On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Steve Welch wrote: > > Hi Colin, > > Thanks for the additional info and encouragement. I?m still experimenting here? One puzzle: what did you use for Client UID? I do see what the Wiki says about it but I still don?t understand. FWIW, I?m on a Mac OS environment? > > Steve > >> On Sep 30, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Colin > wrote: >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> David Cousins already posted the link to the Gnucash OFX Wiki page, but since you mentioned Citi I?ll add that I use OFX for a couple Citi credit cards and it?s worked for the last 15 months. I updated the Citi section of the Wiki page with the settings that work for me. >> >> A few weeks ago someone posted recently they had to use a different server address. I?ll include it below, but I haven?t found any change from the settings on the Wiki page necessary. >> >> > The wiki entry at >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings#Citi_Credit_Card >> > worked until about a month or so ago. I figured they changed the OFX >> > server url again but what I discovered is that when I set the field >> > "HTTP User Agent" to "InetClntApp/3.0", it now downloads my >> > transactions into my register as before. The citi.com -> Profile -> >> > Manage Desktop Apps website again lists Quicken Windows as an app >> > allowed to use my Citi credentials. I'm using Gnucash 4.6 on Linux. >> > -- Nicholas Rood >> >> >> A final note: after a fair amount of trial and error I found OFX not to work with most of the accounts I tried, even when others reported settings that worked for them. My Citi and Amex cards work fine, but I?ve given up for my other cards and credit union account. >> >> Also, be aware OFX appears to be going the way of the Dodo bird. You might weigh the amount of troubleshooting you do, or anticipation of using OFX with GnuCash, against that knowledge. >> >> Best, >> Colin >> >>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 9:00 AM, gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 18:21:37 -0400 >>> From: Steve Welch > >>> To: David Ellis > >>> Cc: Gnucash-User > >>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Problems setting up first OFX transaction download >>> Message-ID: > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> I?ll be following this with interest ? I just moved from Moneydance and am trying to set up credit card transaction downloads from Citi. >>> No problems doing so in MD, but I haven?t been successful yet in GnuCash. >>> >>> I?m sure there?s something I?m not understanding here? >>> >>> Steve >>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2021, at 4:25 PM, David Ellis > wrote: >>>> >>>> I have been using Quicken for home and business for years to keep my one man >>>> office books. It does everything I need, especially auto-population of bank >>>> transactions in register for preparing financial statements. Now converting >>>> to GnuCash and used the wizard to a) import to gnu from Quicken data file, >>>> then b) set up OFX transaction download from bank directly to gnu. Got data >>>> import great, but efforts to get OFX duds. I am a retired dba so I kind of >>>> know what I'm doing, but didn't help much. I called the bank and worked with >>>> a tech person there but a detailed review of each item in the wizard didn't >>>> get anywhere with her either. I kept getting the error that there were no >>>> new transactions to download since the last one, which was 3 weeks and 29 >>>> transactions ago. Am I going to just have to download CSV monthly and import >>>> to gnu or can I actually get OFX to work? Thanks, David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> > From jralls at ceridwen.us Sat Oct 2 18:06:14 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:06:14 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <5592989.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <22F6B6A2-ECB0-4EC9-BC0D-84195E1A58C3@ceridwen.us> It hasn't been a while since I last built mobi-formatted documents with Cmake because I do so with every release and we just did one on Tuesday. It works fine. *However* the mobi format was a proprietary format devised by Amazon.com for their Kindle-branded readers that they deprecated in 2019. We're planning to remove it from the build system soon. You should be able to load the ePub documents into your Kindle. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 2, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Geert Janssens wrote: > > Please remember to send replies to the list rather than individual users. > Particularly if you are soliciting for answers from "anyone" ;) > > As to your problems, can you provide more details ? > > It's been a while since I tested the mobi format. Back then it worked fine, > also with cmake. You have to enable it explicitly though by passing > '-DWITH_MOBI=ON' to the cmake call. > > I wouldn't spend too much effort on it though. We're currently considering to > drop that format. It has been abandoned by Amazon as well. > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 19:40:30 CEST schreef Giuseppe Foti: >> I am fighting with it too, trying to create a gentoo ebuild for it. >> >> At now I can build, html and epub. >> >> With pdf I have a sandbox access violation issue, >> >> Can anyone confirm that "mobi" can be built both for "help" and "guide" ? >> >> >> >> >> Il 02/10/21 18:51, Geert Janssens ha scritto: >> >> Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 18:14:02 CEST schreef Mike Commissaris: >> >> Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. >> With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ >> gnucash-docs-4.8.sh >> I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory >> Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build >> directory. >> I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs in >> ver 4.8. >> Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? >> >> The autotools based build system for gnucash-docs has been deprecated in >> favor of the cmake based build system. >> >> In gnucash-docs 4.8, the bits to use autotools have been fully removed. >> >> The new way of building is summarized as follows: >> >> - create a build directory (eg 'build') next to your source directory >> - cd build >> - cmake ../ >> - make >> >> If you used to set an installation prefix while running configure you may >> want do to the equivalent for your cmake run. >> The syntax is "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=" >> >> Regards, >> >> Geert >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From derek at ihtfp.com Sat Oct 2 18:06:40 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:40 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> Message-ID: <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> >From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x At every version you should load your data file and then save it. While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. -derek Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that > I can see. > > I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and > 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > > > Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard > banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction > report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, > imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work > the same way? > > If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to > update? > > I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and > if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not > one for every point version)? > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gnucash at acarver.net Sat Oct 2 18:11:39 2021 From: gnucash at acarver.net (AC) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:11:39 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Message-ID: I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer installation is much more likely to happen in that case. So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > > At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > > While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't > fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your > system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > > -derek > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date that >> I can see. >> >> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >> >> >> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still work >> the same way? >> >> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >> update? >> >> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >> one for every point version)? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From gnucash at acarver.net Sat Oct 2 18:18:19 2021 From: gnucash at acarver.net (AC) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:18:19 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Message-ID: Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows and without disturbing the existing installation? If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full install. On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: > I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > > So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > > Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > > > On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >> >> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >> >> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >> >> -derek >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >> >>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date that >>> I can see. >>> >>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>> >>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still work >>> the same way? >>> >>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>> update? >>> >>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>> one for every point version)? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From derek at ihtfp.com Sat Oct 2 18:20:09 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Message-ID: <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Basic features are all the same. Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade. And you may lose saved reports. -derek Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC wrote: > I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > > So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > > Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > > > On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >> >> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >> >> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >> >> -derek >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >> >>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>> I can see. >>> >>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>> >>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>> the same way? >>> >>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>> update? >>> >>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>> one for every point version)? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From derek at ihtfp.com Sat Oct 2 18:26:35 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Message-ID: <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple versions installed. -derek Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC wrote: > Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a > version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows > and without disturbing the existing installation? > > If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with > a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full > install. > > On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >> >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> -derek >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>>> I can see. >>>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>> >>>> >>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>>> the same way? >>>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>> update? >>>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>> one for every point version)? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From stepbystepfarm at comcast.net Sat Oct 2 18:30:44 2021 From: stepbystepfarm at comcast.net (Michael or Penny Novack) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb@comcast.net> On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: > I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine, best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current version you will have available for installing on the new machine. b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user data structure. c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. Michael D Novack From robinraymn at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 18:37:34 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: <593714C9-818C-434E-9E9F-172612B5962F@ceridwen.us> References: <593714C9-818C-434E-9E9F-172612B5962F@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: I interpreted the question differently. If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. Robin On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: > > > > On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings > > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as > > expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register > until > > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them > to > > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead > of > > trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? > > That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview > page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gfowler1 at outlook.com Sat Oct 2 18:32:15 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:32:15 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: <593714C9-818C-434E-9E9F-172612B5962F@ceridwen.us> References: <593714C9-818C-434E-9E9F-172612B5962F@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: Hi John, I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled transactions do create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened after the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until you press which can create issues because you are looking at an out-of-date register. On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john wrote: > > > > On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings > > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as > > expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register > until > > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them > to > > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead > of > > trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? > > That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview > page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > From robinraymn at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 20:19:42 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:19:42 -0500 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: <08cf656d-09e4-c1a8-054b-51edf5f309af@gmail.com> References: <08cf656d-09e4-c1a8-054b-51edf5f309af@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jean- I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there were no additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are also in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't allow you to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other quarter'. I tried something else to research... Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from Sep. 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with one matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I then attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 transactions -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new transactions dated 9/24. The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are two transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as those are older transactions that are already in the database. I clicked 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main application. It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no new transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look at the subsequent accounts. In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created and the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively affect the import process. Something else that I just noticed... If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: > > Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up > for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog > will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there > are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. > The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file > had transfers between accounts. > > I see two issues here: > 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see > comment above) > 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. > > About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first > matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just > abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of > seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as > before) > > If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else > happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the > imported transactions were already present in the target account. This > is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported > are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems > erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported > transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account > you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the > OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. > The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account > would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions > already exist in your target account. > > SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure > you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? > If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported > transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported > transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported > (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account > database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular > editor) whether that FITID exists. > > Jean > > On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > > Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) > > Gnucash 4.8 > > libofx 0.9.15 > > > > I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got > > a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single > > security in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. > > This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities > > (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported > > previously). > > > > I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): > > 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this > > file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file > > to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file > > again, I had the same experience as described above > > 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through > > the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > > unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, > > but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > > original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic > > transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for > > a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for > > each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > > transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single > > security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > > Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > > 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > > (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would > > try anyway. > > 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions > > in a single dialog > > > > Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > > build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I > > found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > > > > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > > > > Thanks, > > Robin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Find date-utilities.scm eg C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\share\guile\site\2.2\gnucash\app-utils\date-utilities.scm Update code block (around line 540) with a text editor to that shown below: ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;; end relative-date functions ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; (define* (gnc:get-start-cal-year #:key (start-month-fy 6)) ;; Jan is 0 (let ((now (gnc-localtime (current-time)))) (set-tm:sec now 0) (set-tm:min now 0) (set-tm:hour now 0) (set-tm:mday now 1) (set-tm:mon now start-month-fy) (if (< (tm:mon now) start-month-fy) (set-tm:year now (- (tm:year now) 1)) (set-tm:year now (tm:year now))) (set-tm:isdst now -1) (gnc-mktime now))) (define* (gnc:get-end-cal-year #:key (start-month-fy 6)) (let ((now (gnc-localtime (current-time)))) (set-tm:sec now 59) (set-tm:min now 59) (set-tm:hour now 23) (set-tm:mday now 30) ; set for month before start-month-fy (if (< (tm:mon now) start-month-fy) (set-tm:year now (tm:year now)) (set-tm:year now (+ (tm:year now) 1))) (set-tm:mon now (- start-month-fy 1)) ; move line and it works (set-tm:isdst now -1) (gnc-mktime now))) (define* (gnc:get-start-prev-year #:key (start-month-fy 6)) (let ((now (gnc-localtime (current-time)))) (set-tm:sec now 0) (set-tm:min now 0) (set-tm:hour now 0) (set-tm:mday now 1) (set-tm:mon now start-month-fy) (if (< (tm:mon now) start-month-fy) (set-tm:year now (- (tm:year now) 2)) (set-tm:year now (- (tm:year now) 1))) (set-tm:isdst now -1) (gnc-mktime now))) (define* (gnc:get-end-prev-year #:key (start-month-fy 6)) (let ((now (gnc-localtime (current-time)))) (set-tm:sec now 59) (set-tm:min now 59) (set-tm:hour now 23) (set-tm:mday now 30) ; set for month before start-month-fy (if (< (tm:mon now) start-month-fy) (set-tm:year now (- (tm:year now) 1)) (set-tm:year now (tm:year now))) (set-tm:mon now (- start-month-fy 1)) ; move line and it works (set-tm:isdst now -1) (gnc-mktime now))) From goodchris96 at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 21:02:19 2021 From: goodchris96 at gmail.com (Chris Good) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 12:02:19 +1100 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Message-ID: <000b01d7b7f2$52bd5f30$f8381d90$@gmail.com> Hi Robin, +1 for Jean's comments. Re the crash after reverting to 4.7: This should not happen. The maintainers try hard to ensure you can always revert to a previous version, especially from a minor version upgrade. To revert to a previous major version, provision is made so you can always revert to the last minor revision of a previous major version. See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Using_Different_Versions.2C_Up_And_Downgra de There were some problems with trading accounts fixed in 4.7, see https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798221 Do you use trading accounts? If that is not your problem, perhaps you could open a bug and provide a trace file (see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile or preferably a stacktrace. Regards, Chris Good Message: 5 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:51:40 -0700 From: Jean L To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Message-ID: <08cf656d-09e4-c1a8-054b-51edf5f309af at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file had transfers between accounts. I see two issues here: 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see comment above) 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as before) If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the imported transactions were already present in the target account. This is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions already exist in your target account. SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular editor) whether that FITID exists. Jean On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) > Gnucash 4.8 > libofx 0.9.15 > > I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got > a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single > security in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. > This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities > (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported > previously). > > I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): > 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this > file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file > to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file > again, I had the same experience as described above > 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through > the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, > but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic > transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for > a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for > each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single > security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would > try anyway. > 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions > in a single dialog > > Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I > found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > > Thanks, > Robin From christina at airgeadstudio.net Sat Oct 2 22:17:36 2021 From: christina at airgeadstudio.net (Christina Martin) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 13:17:36 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> I have a similar problem, although I haven't tried entering a blank txn. Another user reported something similar back in February and I tried to add my $0.02 worth at the time, but two messages I sent didn't get through. In a nutshell, I save the registry, close and reopen it and the txns show up. Below is a copy of the information I tried to send in Feb, setting out the testing I had done. "I tried to send this response to the list 2 days ago, but I haven't seen it come in on the digest, so I must have done something wrong. I finally had time to sit down and do some testing and I'm covering things raised and suggested in a variety of digests up to Wed 10/2. This odd behaviour started when I was using the previous version, and I hoped that the upgrade to the 4.x series would fix it. I *think* I was still on 2.x when I upgraded last year, but I can't be certain of that (the manual update process means I tend to leave it for a while). For a variety of reasons that I don't wish to get into now, I decided to start a new file for the start of the Australian financial year on 1 July 2020. I can't remember exactly what I did except that it involved a blank copy of the original account tree. I then manually created all my scheduled transactions to match the original file. I don't know if that means that I've somehow imported an old error. I'm running GC 4.2 (build 4.2+(2020-09-26) on Windows 10 Home 64 bit OS (build 19041.746). The only filters I have set are to hide reconciled txns in each register, and the financial year for Australia. The first thing I've noticed is that I don't need to fully close GC to get the scheduled txns to display - closing and reopening the account is sufficient. I tend to keep all 4 personal accounts open all the time inside GC, so I guess I'd potentially have to close and reopen all 4, in which case, closing and reopening the entire file is easier. I have created a new scheduled txn from a dummy txn in my register. I left "Notify me when created ticked". I saved the file and then ran Actions -> Scheduled Txns -> Since Last Run... I cancelled the Since Last Run window that popped up. The txns did not display until I closed and reopened the account register although I could see that the balance in the register changed where the next txn should be showing up. When I click on OK at the Since Last Run window, the full details of the scheduled txns immediately show up in the register. If I click on the "Review Created Transactions" check box in the Since Last Run... window and click on OK, the two txns that should show up open in a new register window titled Created Transactions *and* I can see them immediately in the account register. David Carlson mentioned that he didn't know what I meant by GC telling me on start up how many scheduled txns it had created. My scheduled txns are *always* set to be Enabled (ticked) Create automatically (ticked) Create in advance 14 days ticked. I always disable Notify me when created (as I hadn't noticed until today that was an option to turn off in Edit -> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions - in my defence, I last edited them several years ago). I created a new scheduled txn according to these parameters and I get a pop-up window on start up that says: "There are no Scheduled Transactions to be entered at this time. (2 transactions automatically created) -> Close" The txns will change the balance in the register, but the actual detail won't display until the account is closed and reopened. If I have "Notify me when created" checked, I get the Since Last Run window instead. All of my 30+ scheduled txns do *not* have this enabled - I do not need to be told what they are on start up, I just need them to show up in the register - and I have run it this way since very early on in using GC, it must be at least 10 years. The problem I'm seeing started some time in 2019 (or at the very latest, very early 2020). I'm vague about exactly when because it took a while to be certain I was seeing a consistent issue and not imagining it (since they eventually displayed). The last thing I tried was to turn off "Notify before transactions are created" in Edit -> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions. I then went through the steps of creating and running a new scheduled txn only to find the same problem that the register balance changes, but the detail doesn't display until the account is closed and reopened. It definitely seems that whether or not the Notification is set to show or not is key to the issue, but I have to reiterate that I didn't change how I handled my scheduled txns when I first started seeing it. I'm not sure what the next step here is." Regards, Christina Christina Martin Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. On 3 October 2021 11:23:42 am gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > 2. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) > 3. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) > 4. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > 5. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > 6. Re: Making the leap to latest (Michael or Penny Novack) > 7. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register > until is pressed (Robin Chattopadhyay) > 8. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register > until is pressed (Glenn Fowler) > 9. Re: OFX Import with Investment Transactions (Robin Chattopadhyay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:40 -0400 > From: Derek Atkins > To: AC , GnuCash users group > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > Message-ID: > <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > >> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > > At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > > While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't fix > it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your system, > it'll be easier to use recent versions. > > -derek > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >> I can see. >> >> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >> >> >> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >> the same way? >> >> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >> update? >> >> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >> one for every point version)? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:11:39 -0700 > From: AC > To: Derek Atkins , GnuCash users group > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > > So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > > Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > > > On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >> >> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >> >> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >> >> -derek >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >> >>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date that >>> I can see. >>> >>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>> >>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still work >>> the same way? >>> >>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>> update? >>> >>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>> one for every point version)? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:18:19 -0700 > From: AC > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a > version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows > and without disturbing the existing installation? > > If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with > a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full > install. > > On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >> >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> -derek >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date that >>>> I can see. >>>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>> >>>> >>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still work >>>> the same way? >>>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>> update? >>>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>> one for every point version)? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400 > From: Derek Atkins > To: AC , GnuCash users group > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > Message-ID: > <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > > Basic features are all the same. > Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to > manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade. And you may lose > saved reports. > > -derek > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC wrote: > >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >> >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> -derek >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>>> I can see. >>>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>> >>>> >>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>>> the same way? >>>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>> update? >>>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>> one for every point version)? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400 > From: Derek Atkins > To: AC , > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > Message-ID: > <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > > No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple versions > installed. > > -derek > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC wrote: > >> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a >> version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows >> and without disturbing the existing installation? >> >> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with >> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full >> install. >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> >>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>> >>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>> >>> >>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>> >>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>> >>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>> >>>> -derek >>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>>>> I can see. >>>>> >>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>>>> the same way? >>>>> >>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>>> update? >>>>> >>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>> ----- >>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400 > From: Michael or Penny Novack > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb at comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier > to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your > current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine, > best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current version > you will have available for installing on the new machine. > > b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data > (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is > relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new > machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user > data structure. > > c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form > backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the > application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. > > Michael D Novack > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500 > From: Robin Chattopadhyay > To: john > Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the > register until is pressed > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I interpreted the question differently. > > If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the > register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until > you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the > experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. > > Robin > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: > >> >> >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings >>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as >>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >> until >>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them >> to >>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead >> of >>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >> >> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview >> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >> >> Regards, >> John Ralls >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:32:15 -0400 > From: Glenn Fowler > To: john > Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the > register until is pressed > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi John, > > I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled transactions do > create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened after > the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until you > press which can create issues because you are looking at an > out-of-date register. > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john wrote: > >> >> >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings >>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as >>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >> until >>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them >> to >>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead >> of >>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >> >> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview >> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >> >> Regards, >> John Ralls > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:19:42 -0500 > From: Robin Chattopadhyay > To: Gnucash Users > Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Jean- > > I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. > > As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there were no > additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. > > There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are also > in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't allow you > to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other quarter'. > > I tried something else to research... > > Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from Sep. > 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with one > matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I then > attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 transactions > -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new transactions > dated 9/24. > > The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are two > transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're > already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file > /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 > transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as > those are older transactions that are already in the database. I clicked > 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main application. > It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no new > transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look at the > subsequent accounts. > > In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created and > the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are > limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively > affect the import process. > > Something else that I just noticed... > > If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account > registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and > re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you > re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: >> >> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up >> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog >> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there >> are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. >> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file >> had transfers between accounts. >> >> I see two issues here: >> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see >> comment above) >> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. >> >> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first >> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just >> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of >> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as >> before) >> >> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else >> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the >> imported transactions were already present in the target account. This >> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported >> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems >> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported >> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account >> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the >> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. >> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account >> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions >> already exist in your target account. >> >> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure >> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? >> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported >> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported >> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported >> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account >> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular >> editor) whether that FITID exists. >> >> Jean >> >> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: >>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) >>> Gnucash 4.8 >>> libofx 0.9.15 >>> >>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I > got >>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single >>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to > process. >>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine > securities >>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been > imported >>> previously). >>> >>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of > course): >>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for > this >>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the > file >>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file >>> again, I had the same experience as described above >>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through >>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing >>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped > up, >>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the > generic >>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions > for >>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process > for >>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a > single >>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I > would >>> try anyway. >>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new > transactions >>> in a single dialog >>> >>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong > and I >>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >>> >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Robin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: robin.qfx > Type: application/octet-stream > Size: 56427 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: test-file.gnucash > Type: application/x-gnucash > Size: 10338 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 6 > ******************************************** From gah1178 at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 22:55:20 2021 From: gah1178 at gmail.com (A Harvey) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 22:55:20 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: <22F6B6A2-ECB0-4EC9-BC0D-84195E1A58C3@ceridwen.us> References: <5592989.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <22F6B6A2-ECB0-4EC9-BC0D-84195E1A58C3@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: Just a nit. I don't think Kindle devices support ePub, at least not in recent models. I'm not sure whether the apps they have for PCs and phones. I have a book in LPR format (whatever that is) that works on Kindle for PC and Phone but not Kindle devices. >From the Amazon site: Content Formats Supported Kindle Format 8 (AZW3), Kindle (AZW), TXT, PDF, unprotected MOBI, PRC natively; HTML DOC, DOCX, JPEG, GIF, PNG, PMP through conversion; Audible audio format (AAX). On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 6:07 PM john wrote: > It hasn't been a while since I last built mobi-formatted documents with > Cmake because I do so with every release and we just did one on Tuesday. It > works fine. > *However* the mobi format was a proprietary format devised by Amazon.com < > http://amazon.com/> for their Kindle-branded readers that they deprecated > in 2019. We're planning to remove it from the build system soon. You should > be able to load the ePub documents into your Kindle. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > On Oct 2, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Geert Janssens > wrote: > > > > Please remember to send replies to the list rather than individual > users. > > Particularly if you are soliciting for answers from "anyone" ;) > > > > As to your problems, can you provide more details ? > > > > It's been a while since I tested the mobi format. Back then it worked > fine, > > also with cmake. You have to enable it explicitly though by passing > > '-DWITH_MOBI=ON' to the cmake call. > > > > I wouldn't spend too much effort on it though. We're currently > considering to > > drop that format. It has been abandoned by Amazon as well. > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 19:40:30 CEST schreef Giuseppe Foti: > >> I am fighting with it too, trying to create a gentoo ebuild for it. > >> > >> At now I can build, html and epub. > >> > >> With pdf I have a sandbox access violation issue, > >> > >> Can anyone confirm that "mobi" can be built both for "help" and "guide" > ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Il 02/10/21 18:51, Geert Janssens ha scritto: > >> > >> Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 18:14:02 CEST schreef Mike Commissaris: > >> > >> Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. > >> With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ > >> gnucash-docs-4.8.sh > >> I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory > >> Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build > >> directory. > >> I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs > in > >> ver 4.8. > >> Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? > >> > >> The autotools based build system for gnucash-docs has been deprecated in > >> favor of the cmake based build system. > >> > >> In gnucash-docs 4.8, the bits to use autotools have been fully removed. > >> > >> The new way of building is summarized as follows: > >> > >> - create a build directory (eg 'build') next to your source directory > >> - cd build > >> - cmake ../ > >> - make > >> > >> If you used to set an installation prefix while running configure you > may > >> want do to the equivalent for your cmake run. > >> The syntax is "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=" > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Geert > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From beastmaster126 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 2 23:54:02 2021 From: beastmaster126 at hotmail.com (Jeff) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 22:54:02 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Problems setting up first OFX transaction download In-Reply-To: References: <00a701d7b570$36cbced0$a4636c70$@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 9/29/21 5:53 PM, David Carlson wrote: > David, > > There are multiple ways to skin that cat, and it is not clear which one you > are asking about. > > Quicken has an online banking type of feature which Gnucash can sometimes > emulate, and sometimes not. In Gnucash it is called online banking. > > There is also a manual transaction download feature which works well with > many banks using a file format called QFX or OFX. That requires manually > going to the bank's website and manually selecting a transaction download > in the OFX or QFX format if available, saving it locally then importing it > into your data file. Some banks only offer CSV or other formats. > > I personally haven't been able to get the first way to work with any of the > banks that I use, so I use second method. I would not be able to help you > with online banking. > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 5:22 PM Steve Welch via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > >> I?ll be following this with interest ? I just moved from Moneydance and am >> trying to set up credit card transaction downloads from Citi. >> No problems doing so in MD, but I haven?t been successful yet in GnuCash. >> >> I?m sure there?s something I?m not understanding here? >> >> Steve >> >>> On Sep 29, 2021, at 4:25 PM, David Ellis >> wrote: >>> I have been using Quicken for home and business for years to keep my one >> man >>> office books. It does everything I need, especially auto-population of >> bank >>> transactions in register for preparing financial statements. Now >> converting >>> to GnuCash and used the wizard to a) import to gnu from Quicken data >> file, >>> then b) set up OFX transaction download from bank directly to gnu. Got >> data >>> import great, but efforts to get OFX duds. I am a retired dba so I kind >> of >>> know what I'm doing, but didn't help much. I called the bank and worked >> with >>> a tech person there but a detailed review of each item in the wizard >> didn't >>> get anywhere with her either. I kept getting the error that there were no >>> new transactions to download since the last one, which was 3 weeks and 29 >>> transactions ago. Am I going to just have to download CSV monthly and >> import >>> to gnu or can I actually get OFX to work? Thanks, David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. I will be following this with interest as well.? I personally have never cared for the OFX/QFX format, it limits the data imported to much, the QIF format is much more suited and flexible for financial data interchange (CSV too if you understand the layout).? Might as well say, QIF is informative while OFX/QFX are dumb as a stump when coming from any financial institution. OFX/QFX imports tend to leave out important information. Ever since the "newest" version of OFX/QFX came out I am having the same trouble, even with files that are supposedly under the previous format.? New transactions that will not import.? I suspect but can not prove it, that the QFX/OFX importer has a hiccup because date ranges and accounts match so it skips transactions, new or not. -- --JEffrey Black M.B.A. From beastmaster126 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 3 00:24:36 2021 From: beastmaster126 at hotmail.com (Jeff) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:24:36 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Newest version for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 9/29/21 6:48 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: > If you install from flatpak you will get the current version. However > note that there is currently a bug with 4.7 that prevents it from > opening, so you may want to wait on that. > > sudo apt install flatpak > sudo flatpak install org.gnucash.GnuCash > > flatpak run org.gnucash.GnuCash > > On Wed, 2021-09-29 at 01:10 -0500, Jeff wrote: >> Short of building from source, is there a link anywhere for upgrading >> from 4.2 to the next compatible stable version on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS? The >> Debian list is too far behind since I run multiple O.S.'s. I tried the >> suggested PPA, I think it was sicklylife something or other for 4.3. >> Totally screwed up a test set of books that I use just to test new >> versions before I turn it loose on my multiple sets of books for >> family. It would be nice to run the same working versions on my Ubuntu >> Server (Micro$soft bricked my main server and had to replace it, so I am >> migrating everything I can to Ubuntu) and my dual boot laptop. >> >> I have tried several times to build from source but; I am too old school >> on my programming language list (i.e. Cobol, Pascal, forth) to get a >> build to work. Every time I have tried it spits out in a foreign >> language some error list and fails to build. My bad. >> >> You would think that someone who wrote over 100,000 lines of C++ code to >> handle up to 2 billion inventory items for a POS and parts ordering >> system at best cost could easily handle this, but the languages you use >> are all too new to me. >> >> I would settle for a copy of "Building the Newest Version of GNC for >> Dummies Course" book. >> > . So how do I get this to launch from a desktop icon like I had 4.2 doing?? On Ubuntu. The desktop link still does 4.2 but the command line you listed does 4.8. -- --JEffrey Black M.B.A. From ripngo at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 00:30:46 2021 From: ripngo at gmail.com (Jean L) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 21:30:46 -0700 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: References: <08cf656d-09e4-c1a8-054b-51edf5f309af@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Robin! Good detective work here, and thanks for the examples, I think there must be a bug :( . I'll take a look. > If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account > registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and > re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you > re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. That is super weird :( Jean On 10/2/2021 5:19 PM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > Hi Jean- > > I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. > > As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there were no > additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. > > There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are also > in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't allow you > to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other quarter'. > > I tried something else to research... > > Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from Sep. > 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with one > matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I then > attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 transactions > -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new transactions > dated 9/24. > > The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are two > transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're > already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file > /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 > transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as > those are older transactions that are already in the database. I clicked > 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main application. > It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no new > transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look at the > subsequent accounts. > > In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created and > the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are > limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively > affect the import process. > > Something else that I just noticed... > > If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account > registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and > re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you > re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: >> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up >> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog >> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there >> are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. >> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file >> had transfers between accounts. >> >> I see two issues here: >> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see >> comment above) >> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. >> >> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first >> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just >> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of >> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as >> before) >> >> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else >> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the >> imported transactions were already present in the target account. This >> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported >> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems >> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported >> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account >> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the >> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. >> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account >> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions >> already exist in your target account. >> >> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure >> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? >> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported >> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported >> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported >> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account >> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular >> editor) whether that FITID exists. >> >> Jean >> >> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: >>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) >>> Gnucash 4.8 >>> libofx 0.9.15 >>> >>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I > got >>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single >>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to > process. >>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine > securities >>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been > imported >>> previously). >>> >>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of > course): >>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for > this >>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the > file >>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file >>> again, I had the same experience as described above >>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through >>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing >>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped > up, >>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the > generic >>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions > for >>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process > for >>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a > single >>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I > would >>> try anyway. >>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new > transactions >>> in a single dialog >>> >>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong > and I >>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >>> >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Robin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From jralls at ceridwen.us Sun Oct 3 00:32:21 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 21:32:21 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <5592989.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <22F6B6A2-ECB0-4EC9-BC0D-84195E1A58C3@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: Interesting, thanks. Do you know if there's a discernible difference between how a Kindle displays a PDF and a MOBI? Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 2, 2021, at 7:55 PM, A Harvey wrote: > > Just a nit. I don't think Kindle devices support ePub, at least not in recent models. I'm not sure whether the apps they have for PCs and phones. I have a book in LPR format (whatever that is) that works on Kindle for PC and Phone but not Kindle devices. > From the Amazon site: > Content Formats Supported > Kindle Format 8 (AZW3), Kindle (AZW), TXT, PDF, unprotected MOBI, PRC natively; HTML DOC, DOCX, JPEG, GIF, PNG, PMP through conversion; Audible audio format (AAX). > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 6:07 PM john > wrote: > It hasn't been a while since I last built mobi-formatted documents with Cmake because I do so with every release and we just did one on Tuesday. It works fine. > *However* the mobi format was a proprietary format devised by Amazon.com > for their Kindle-branded readers that they deprecated in 2019. We're planning to remove it from the build system soon. You should be able to load the ePub documents into your Kindle. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > On Oct 2, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Geert Janssens > wrote: > > > > Please remember to send replies to the list rather than individual users. > > Particularly if you are soliciting for answers from "anyone" ;) > > > > As to your problems, can you provide more details ? > > > > It's been a while since I tested the mobi format. Back then it worked fine, > > also with cmake. You have to enable it explicitly though by passing > > '-DWITH_MOBI=ON' to the cmake call. > > > > I wouldn't spend too much effort on it though. We're currently considering to > > drop that format. It has been abandoned by Amazon as well. > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 19:40:30 CEST schreef Giuseppe Foti: > >> I am fighting with it too, trying to create a gentoo ebuild for it. > >> > >> At now I can build, html and epub. > >> > >> With pdf I have a sandbox access violation issue, > >> > >> Can anyone confirm that "mobi" can be built both for "help" and "guide" ? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Il 02/10/21 18:51, Geert Janssens ha scritto: > >> > >> Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 18:14:02 CEST schreef Mike Commissaris: > >> > >> Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. > >> With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ > >> gnucash-docs-4.8.sh > >> I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory > >> Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build > >> directory. > >> I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs in > >> ver 4.8. > >> Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? > >> > >> The autotools based build system for gnucash-docs has been deprecated in > >> favor of the cmake based build system. > >> > >> In gnucash-docs 4.8, the bits to use autotools have been fully removed. > >> > >> The new way of building is summarized as follows: > >> > >> - create a build directory (eg 'build') next to your source directory > >> - cd build > >> - cmake ../ > >> - make > >> > >> If you used to set an installation prefix while running configure you may > >> want do to the equivalent for your cmake run. > >> The syntax is "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=" > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Geert > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gah1178 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 02:07:26 2021 From: gah1178 at gmail.com (A Harvey) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 02:07:26 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <5592989.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <22F6B6A2-ECB0-4EC9-BC0D-84195E1A58C3@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: John, Big difference, to me at least. I don't know the correct terminology or internal details, but I can tell you what happens if one tries to read a MOBI or PDF format. With MOBI, the Kindle will reflow text to fit the screen. For example, if I use a font size such that 10 words of a page fit on the first line of the screen, the 11th word displays at the beginning of the next line. Change the font size and the device adjusts the number of words on each line to fit so that the screen is always filled with text and nothing is cut off at the edges. PDF specifies exactly where every letter, or other mark, appears on a page. The Kindle displays an entire page at a time on the screen. If the document was created for an 8.5" by11" page size, then the text is very puny on the display. One can zoom in on a section of the page, but the person reading must constantly drag the image around since only part of a line fits on the screen when zoomed. If the PDF was generated to fit on a Kindle, 3.5" by 4.75", then it would be okay. Not the normal case. I don't know whether my explanation was clear, but the short answer is that reading a PDF on a Kindle is not fun, while MOBI is comfortable. -Arthur On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 12:32 AM john wrote: > Interesting, thanks. > > Do you know if there's a discernible difference between how a Kindle > displays a PDF and a MOBI? > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > On Oct 2, 2021, at 7:55 PM, A Harvey wrote: > > Just a nit. I don't think Kindle devices support ePub, at least not in > recent models. I'm not sure whether the apps they have for PCs and > phones. I have a book in LPR format (whatever that is) that works on > Kindle for PC and Phone but not Kindle devices. > From the Amazon site: > Content Formats Supported > Kindle Format 8 (AZW3), Kindle (AZW), TXT, PDF, unprotected MOBI, PRC > natively; HTML DOC, DOCX, JPEG, GIF, PNG, PMP through conversion; Audible > audio format (AAX). > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 6:07 PM john wrote: > >> It hasn't been a while since I last built mobi-formatted documents with >> Cmake because I do so with every release and we just did one on Tuesday. It >> works fine. >> *However* the mobi format was a proprietary format devised by Amazon.com >> for their Kindle-branded readers that they >> deprecated in 2019. We're planning to remove it from the build system soon. >> You should be able to load the ePub documents into your Kindle. >> >> Regards, >> John Ralls >> >> > On Oct 2, 2021, at 1:26 PM, Geert Janssens >> wrote: >> > >> > Please remember to send replies to the list rather than individual >> users. >> > Particularly if you are soliciting for answers from "anyone" ;) >> > >> > As to your problems, can you provide more details ? >> > >> > It's been a while since I tested the mobi format. Back then it worked >> fine, >> > also with cmake. You have to enable it explicitly though by passing >> > '-DWITH_MOBI=ON' to the cmake call. >> > >> > I wouldn't spend too much effort on it though. We're currently >> considering to >> > drop that format. It has been abandoned by Amazon as well. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Geert >> > >> > Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 19:40:30 CEST schreef Giuseppe Foti: >> >> I am fighting with it too, trying to create a gentoo ebuild for it. >> >> >> >> At now I can build, html and epub. >> >> >> >> With pdf I have a sandbox access violation issue, >> >> >> >> Can anyone confirm that "mobi" can be built both for "help" and >> "guide" ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Il 02/10/21 18:51, Geert Janssens ha scritto: >> >> >> >> Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 18:14:02 CEST schreef Mike Commissaris: >> >> >> >> Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. >> >> With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ >> >> gnucash-docs-4.8.sh >> >> I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory >> >> Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build >> >> directory. >> >> I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs >> in >> >> ver 4.8. >> >> Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? >> >> >> >> The autotools based build system for gnucash-docs has been deprecated >> in >> >> favor of the cmake based build system. >> >> >> >> In gnucash-docs 4.8, the bits to use autotools have been fully removed. >> >> >> >> The new way of building is summarized as follows: >> >> >> >> - create a build directory (eg 'build') next to your source directory >> >> - cd build >> >> - cmake ../ >> >> - make >> >> >> >> If you used to set an installation prefix while running configure you >> may >> >> want do to the equivalent for your cmake run. >> >> The syntax is "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=" >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Geert >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gnucash-user mailing list >> >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > gnucash-user mailing list >> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> > ----- >> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > From dw at davidwhiting.me.uk Sun Oct 3 02:33:59 2021 From: dw at davidwhiting.me.uk (david whiting) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 07:33:59 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Newest version for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Create a desktop file on the desktop. To do this, open a text editor, e.g. gedit, and paste the following into a file and save it on your desktop with the name gnucash-maint.desktop (example file attached): === gnucash-maint.desktop === [Desktop Entry] Type=Application Terminal=false Exec=/home/jeff/Documents/gnucash/build/bin/gnucash Name=GnuCash (maint) Comment=Manage home and small business accounts Icon=/home/jeff/Documents/gnucash/build/share/gnucash/pixmaps/gnucash-icon.ico === End of gnucash-maint.desktop === Note that: 1) I am guessing your username and am assuming that you have used the paths in the bash script. Change the Exec and Icon lines accordingly if your username is different. 2) I am assuming here you want to run it from the build folder. If you run make install after building it, you will find it in /home/jeff/opt/gnucash/bin/gnucash and can use that path instead in the Exec and Icon lines (assuming your home is /home/jeff) Once you have saved the file on your desktop, right click it and select "Allow launching". You should now see the GnuCash icon with the name "GnuCash (maint)" and should be able to use it to launch gnucash. Going forward, if you want to keep up with the maintenance release, and ultimately the next release, you can just git pull in the source folder and build it again. David On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 05:25, Jeff wrote: > > On 9/29/21 6:48 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: > > If you install from flatpak you will get the current version. However > > note that there is currently a bug with 4.7 that prevents it from > > opening, so you may want to wait on that. > > > > sudo apt install flatpak > > sudo flatpak install org.gnucash.GnuCash > > > > flatpak run org.gnucash.GnuCash > > > > On Wed, 2021-09-29 at 01:10 -0500, Jeff wrote: > >> Short of building from source, is there a link anywhere for upgrading > >> from 4.2 to the next compatible stable version on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS? The > >> Debian list is too far behind since I run multiple O.S.'s. I tried the > >> suggested PPA, I think it was sicklylife something or other for 4.3. > >> Totally screwed up a test set of books that I use just to test new > >> versions before I turn it loose on my multiple sets of books for > >> family. It would be nice to run the same working versions on my Ubuntu > >> Server (Micro$soft bricked my main server and had to replace it, so I am > >> migrating everything I can to Ubuntu) and my dual boot laptop. > >> > >> I have tried several times to build from source but; I am too old school > >> on my programming language list (i.e. Cobol, Pascal, forth) to get a > >> build to work. Every time I have tried it spits out in a foreign > >> language some error list and fails to build. My bad. > >> > >> You would think that someone who wrote over 100,000 lines of C++ code to > >> handle up to 2 billion inventory items for a POS and parts ordering > >> system at best cost could easily handle this, but the languages you use > >> are all too new to me. > >> > >> I would settle for a copy of "Building the Newest Version of GNC for > >> Dummies Course" book. > >> > > . > > So how do I get this to launch from a desktop icon like I had 4.2 > doing? On Ubuntu. The desktop link still does 4.2 but the command line > you listed does 4.8. > > > -- > --JEffrey Black M.B.A. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- David Whiting -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gnucash-maint.desktop Type: application/x-desktop Size: 248 bytes Desc: not available URL: From flywire0 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 07:25:44 2021 From: flywire0 at gmail.com (flywire) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 22:25:44 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue Message-ID: Arthur, that's a nice summary of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document The issue has been raised and https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 09:28:34 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 09:28:34 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could install an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. -------- Original Message -------- From: flywire Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 To: Gnucash Users Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue Arthur, that's a nice summary of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document The issue has been raised and https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From txtinman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 10:00:07 2021 From: txtinman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 09:00:07 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues References: Message-ID: I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while entering a transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would begin searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began typing sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear and I could click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot find a setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? Mike From gfowler1 at outlook.com Sun Oct 3 10:07:54 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:07:54 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: <593714C9-818C-434E-9E9F-172612B5962F@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: Yes Robin that is my issue. The only difference is I am opening GnuCash after the scheduled time. Either way, the register doesn't refresh without or another action. On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 6:37 PM Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > I interpreted the question differently. > > If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the > register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until > you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the > experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. > > Robin > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: > >> >> >> > On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: >> > >> > Hello all, >> > >> > I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings >> > have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as >> > expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >> > With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >> until >> > I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them >> to >> > appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead >> of >> > trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >> >> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview >> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >> >> Regards, >> John Ralls >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > From gfowler1 at outlook.com Sun Oct 3 10:18:17 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:18:17 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> References: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> Message-ID: Hi Christina, What you described is the same issue. The only difference is I am pressing and you are closing and reopening the register for the scheduled transactions to appear. The expected behaviour should be for the scheduled transactions to appear without user input in the register. On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:17 PM Christina Martin < christina at airgeadstudio.net> wrote: > I have a similar problem, although I haven't tried entering a blank txn. > Another user reported something similar back in February and I tried to > add > my $0.02 worth at the time, but two messages I sent didn't get through. > > In a nutshell, I save the registry, close and reopen it and the txns show > up. > > Below is a copy of the information I tried to send in Feb, setting out the > testing I had done. > > "I tried to send this response to the list 2 days ago, but I haven't seen > it come in on the digest, so I must have done something wrong. > > > > > I finally had time to sit down and do some testing and I'm covering things > raised and suggested in a variety of digests up to Wed 10/2. > > > > > This odd behaviour started when I was using the previous version, and I > hoped that the upgrade to the 4.x series would fix it. I *think* I was > still on 2.x when I upgraded last year, but I can't be certain of that > (the > manual update process means I tend to leave it for a while). For a variety > of reasons that I don't wish to get into now, I decided to start a new > file > for the start of the Australian financial year on 1 July 2020. I can't > remember exactly what I did except that it involved a blank copy of the > original account tree. I then manually created all my scheduled > transactions to match the original file. I don't know if that means that > I've somehow imported an old error. > > > > > I'm running GC 4.2 (build 4.2+(2020-09-26) on Windows 10 Home 64 bit OS > (build 19041.746). The only filters I have set are to hide reconciled txns > in each register, and the financial year for Australia. > > > > > The first thing I've noticed is that I don't need to fully close GC to get > the scheduled txns to display - closing and reopening the account is > sufficient. I tend to keep all 4 personal accounts open all the time > inside > GC, so I guess I'd potentially have to close and reopen all 4, in which > case, closing and reopening the entire file is easier. > > > > > I have created a new scheduled txn from a dummy txn in my register. I left > "Notify me when created ticked". I saved the file and then ran Actions -> > Scheduled Txns -> Since Last Run... I cancelled the Since Last Run window > that popped up. The txns did not display until I closed and reopened the > account register although I could see that the balance in the register > changed where the next txn should be showing up. When I click on OK at the > Since Last Run window, the full details of the scheduled txns immediately > show up in the register. If I click on the "Review Created Transactions" > check box in the Since Last Run... window and click on OK, the two txns > that should show up open in a new register window titled Created > Transactions *and* I can see them immediately in the account register. > > > > > David Carlson mentioned that he didn't know what I meant by GC telling me > on start up how many scheduled txns it had created. My scheduled txns are > *always* set to be Enabled (ticked) Create automatically (ticked) Create > in > advance 14 days ticked. I always disable Notify me when created (as I > hadn't noticed until today that was an option to turn off in Edit -> > Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions - in my defence, I last edited them > several years ago). I created a new scheduled txn according to these > parameters and I get a pop-up window on start up that says: > > > > > "There are no Scheduled Transactions to be entered at this time. (2 > transactions automatically created) -> Close" > > > > > The txns will change the balance in the register, but the actual detail > won't display until the account is closed and reopened. > > > > > If I have "Notify me when created" checked, I get the Since Last Run > window > instead. All of my 30+ scheduled txns do *not* have this enabled - I do > not > need to be told what they are on start up, I just need them to show up in > the register - and I have run it this way since very early on in using GC, > it must be at least 10 years. The problem I'm seeing started some time in > 2019 (or at the very latest, very early 2020). I'm vague about exactly > when > because it took a while to be certain I was seeing a consistent issue and > not imagining it (since they eventually displayed). > > > > > The last thing I tried was to turn off "Notify before transactions are > created" in Edit -> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions. I then went > through the steps of creating and running a new scheduled txn only to find > the same problem that the register balance changes, but the detail doesn't > display until the account is closed and reopened. > > > > > It definitely seems that whether or not the Notification is set to show or > not is key to the issue, but I have to reiterate that I didn't change how > I > handled my scheduled txns when I first started seeing it. I'm not sure > what > the next step here is." > > > Regards, > Christina > > Christina Martin > Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. > > > On 3 October 2021 11:23:42 am gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: > > > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > > 2. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) > > 3. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) > > 4. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > > 5. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > > 6. Re: Making the leap to latest (Michael or Penny Novack) > > 7. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register > > until is pressed (Robin Chattopadhyay) > > 8. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register > > until is pressed (Glenn Fowler) > > 9. Re: OFX Import with Investment Transactions (Robin Chattopadhyay) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:40 -0400 > > From: Derek Atkins > > To: AC , GnuCash users group > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > > Message-ID: > > <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > > > >> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > > > > At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > > > > While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't > fix > > it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your > system, > > it'll be easier to use recent versions. > > > > -derek > > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > > On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > > > >> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that > >> I can see. > >> > >> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and > >> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >> > >> > >> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard > >> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction > >> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, > >> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work > >> the same way? > >> > >> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to > >> update? > >> > >> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and > >> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not > >> one for every point version)? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:11:39 -0700 > > From: AC > > To: Derek Atkins , GnuCash users group > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > > replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > > installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > > > > So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > > 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > > > > Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > > making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > > various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > > > > > > On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >> > >> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >> > >> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't > >> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your > >> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >> > >> -derek > >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >> > >>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date that > >>> I can see. > >>> > >>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and > >>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>> > >>> > >>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard > >>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > transaction > >>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, > >>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still work > >>> the same way? > >>> > >>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to > >>> update? > >>> > >>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and > >>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully > not > >>> one for every point version)? > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>> ----- > >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:18:19 -0700 > > From: AC > > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a > > version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows > > and without disturbing the existing installation? > > > > If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with > > a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full > > install. > > > > On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: > >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >> > >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > >> > >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > >> > >> > >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>> > >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>> > >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't > >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your > >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>> > >>> -derek > >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date > that > >>>> I can see. > >>>> > >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and > >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard > >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > transaction > >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, > >>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still > work > >>>> the same way? > >>>> > >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to > >>>> update? > >>>> > >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and > >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully > not > >>>> one for every point version)? > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>> ----- > >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400 > > From: Derek Atkins > > To: AC , GnuCash users group > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > > Message-ID: > > <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Basic features are all the same. > > Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to > > manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade. And you may lose > > saved reports. > > > > -derek > > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > > On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC wrote: > > > >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >> > >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > >> > >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > >> > >> > >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>> > >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>> > >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't > >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your > >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>> > >>> -derek > >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date > that > >>>> I can see. > >>>> > >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and > >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard > >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > transaction > >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, > >>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still > work > >>>> the same way? > >>>> > >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to > >>>> update? > >>>> > >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and > >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully > not > >>>> one for every point version)? > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>> ----- > >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400 > > From: Derek Atkins > > To: AC , > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > > Message-ID: > > <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > > > > No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple > versions > > installed. > > > > -derek > > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > > On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC wrote: > > > >> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a > >> version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows > >> and without disturbing the existing installation? > >> > >> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with > >> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full > >> install. > >> > >> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: > >>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > >>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >>> > >>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > >>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > >>> > >>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > >>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > >>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>>> > >>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>>> > >>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, > don't > >>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your > >>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>>> > >>>> -derek > >>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date > that > >>>>> I can see. > >>>>> > >>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x > and > >>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for > standard > >>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > transaction > >>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online > transactions, > >>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still > work > >>>>> the same way? > >>>>> > >>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be > to > >>>>> update? > >>>>> > >>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments > and > >>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully > not > >>>>> one for every point version)? > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>> ----- > >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400 > > From: Michael or Penny Novack > > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > > Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb at comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: > >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > > a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier > > to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your > > current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine, > > best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current version > > you will have available for installing on the new machine. > > > > b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data > > (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is > > relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new > > machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user > > data structure. > > > > c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form > > backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the > > application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. > > > > Michael D Novack > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500 > > From: Robin Chattopadhyay > > To: john > > Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the > > register until is pressed > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > I interpreted the question differently. > > > > If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the > > register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions > until > > you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the > > experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. > > > > Robin > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello all, > >>> > >>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in > settings > >>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run > as > >>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > >>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register > >> until > >>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them > >> to > >>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead > >> of > >>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? > >> > >> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview > >> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. > >> > >> Regards, > >> John Ralls > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:32:15 -0400 > > From: Glenn Fowler > > To: john > > Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the > > register until is pressed > > Message-ID: > > < > SJ0PR19MB444552A7EC1F1DEA3764FB8F8FAC9 at SJ0PR19MB4445.namprd19.prod.outlook.com > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Hi John, > > > > I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled transactions > do > > create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened after > > the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until you > > press which can create issues because you are looking at an > > out-of-date register. > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john wrote: > > > >> > >> > >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello all, > >>> > >>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in > settings > >>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run > as > >>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > >>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register > >> until > >>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them > >> to > >>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead > >> of > >>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? > >> > >> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview > >> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. > >> > >> Regards, > >> John Ralls > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 9 > > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:19:42 -0500 > > From: Robin Chattopadhyay > > To: Gnucash Users > > Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Jean- > > > > I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. > > > > As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there were > no > > additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. > > > > There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are > also > > in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't allow > you > > to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other quarter'. > > > > I tried something else to research... > > > > Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from Sep. > > 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with one > > matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I then > > attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 > transactions > > -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new > transactions > > dated 9/24. > > > > The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are two > > transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're > > already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file > > /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 > > transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as > > those are older transactions that are already in the database. I clicked > > 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main > application. > > It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no new > > transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look at > the > > subsequent accounts. > > > > In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created > and > > the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are > > limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively > > affect the import process. > > > > Something else that I just noticed... > > > > If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account > > registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and > > re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you > > re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: > >> > >> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up > >> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog > >> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there > >> are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. > >> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file > >> had transfers between accounts. > >> > >> I see two issues here: > >> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see > >> comment above) > >> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. > >> > >> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first > >> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just > >> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of > >> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as > >> before) > >> > >> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else > >> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the > >> imported transactions were already present in the target account. This > >> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported > >> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems > >> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported > >> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account > >> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the > >> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. > >> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account > >> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions > >> already exist in your target account. > >> > >> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure > >> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? > >> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported > >> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported > >> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported > >> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account > >> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular > >> editor) whether that FITID exists. > >> > >> Jean > >> > >> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > >>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) > >>> Gnucash 4.8 > >>> libofx 0.9.15 > >>> > >>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I > > got > >>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single > >>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to > > process. > >>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine > > securities > >>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been > > imported > >>> previously). > >>> > >>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of > > course): > >>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for > > this > >>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the > > file > >>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX > file > >>> again, I had the same experience as described above > >>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. > Through > >>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > >>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped > > up, > >>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > >>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the > > generic > >>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions > > for > >>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process > > for > >>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > >>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a > > single > >>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > >>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > >>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > >>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I > > would > >>> try anyway. > >>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new > > transactions > >>> in a single dialog > >>> > >>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > >>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong > > and I > >>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > >>> > >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Robin > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>> ----- > >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: robin.qfx > > Type: application/octet-stream > > Size: 56427 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/attachments/20211002/4d9fdfdc/attachment.obj > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: test-file.gnucash > > Type: application/x-gnucash > > Size: 10338 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/attachments/20211002/4d9fdfdc/attachment.bin > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 6 > > ******************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 10:10:16 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 09:10:16 -0500 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: References: <08cf656d-09e4-c1a8-054b-51edf5f309af@gmail.com> Message-ID: Regarding those duplicate transactions in the account register during the import process, there has been a long standing bug in the generic import assistant which allows the incoming transactions to be seen but if they are selected they cannot be unselected without changing the final result when the import is done. If the duplicate s are those same incoming transactions, they are probably from that old bug number 721139. On Sat, Oct 2, 2021, 11:31 PM Jean L wrote: > Thanks Robin! > Good detective work here, and thanks for the examples, I think there > must be a bug :( . I'll take a look. > > > If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account > > registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and > > re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you > > re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. > > That is super weird :( > Jean > > On 10/2/2021 5:19 PM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > > Hi Jean- > > > > I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. > > > > As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there were > no > > additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. > > > > There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are > also > > in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't allow > you > > to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other quarter'. > > > > I tried something else to research... > > > > Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from Sep. > > 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with one > > matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I then > > attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 > transactions > > -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new > transactions > > dated 9/24. > > > > The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are two > > transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're > > already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file > > /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 > > transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as > > those are older transactions that are already in the database. I clicked > > 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main > application. > > It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no new > > transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look at > the > > subsequent accounts. > > > > In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created > and > > the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are > > limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively > > affect the import process. > > > > Something else that I just noticed... > > > > If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account > > registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and > > re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you > > re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. > > > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: > >> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up > >> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog > >> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there > >> are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. > >> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file > >> had transfers between accounts. > >> > >> I see two issues here: > >> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see > >> comment above) > >> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. > >> > >> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first > >> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just > >> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of > >> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as > >> before) > >> > >> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else > >> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the > >> imported transactions were already present in the target account. This > >> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported > >> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems > >> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported > >> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account > >> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the > >> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. > >> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account > >> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions > >> already exist in your target account. > >> > >> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure > >> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? > >> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported > >> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported > >> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported > >> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account > >> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular > >> editor) whether that FITID exists. > >> > >> Jean > >> > >> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > >>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) > >>> Gnucash 4.8 > >>> libofx 0.9.15 > >>> > >>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I > > got > >>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single > >>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to > > process. > >>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine > > securities > >>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been > > imported > >>> previously). > >>> > >>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of > > course): > >>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for > > this > >>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the > > file > >>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX > file > >>> again, I had the same experience as described above > >>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. > Through > >>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > >>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped > > up, > >>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > >>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the > > generic > >>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions > > for > >>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process > > for > >>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > >>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a > > single > >>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > >>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > >>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > >>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I > > would > >>> try anyway. > >>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new > > transactions > >>> in a single dialog > >>> > >>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > >>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong > > and I > >>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > >>> > >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Robin > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>> ----- > >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gfowler1 at outlook.com Sun Oct 3 10:22:29 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:22:29 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I believe the more robust type-ahead search was added on v4 so have you tried updating from v3.8 from 12/2019? On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 10:00 AM Mike via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while entering a > transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would begin > searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began typing > sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear and I could > click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot find a > setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 10:28:11 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 09:28:11 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am using release 3.8 in Linux and the behavior in the account box is still the same as it has been for years. You need to enter characters matching existing entries in the COA. The changed search behavior is more recent, iirc that started in release 4.something. On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 9:01 AM Mike via gnucash-user wrote: > I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while entering a > transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would begin > searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began typing > sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear and I could > click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot find a > setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From dw at davidwhiting.me.uk Sun Oct 3 10:51:06 2021 From: dw at davidwhiting.me.uk (david whiting) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 15:51:06 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would add that the new search is really, really good. I have over 1,000 accounts and it is a breeze to get the account I want. David On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 15:29, David Carlson wrote: > > I am using release 3.8 in Linux and the behavior in the account box is > still the same as it has been for years. You need to enter characters > matching existing entries in the COA. > > The changed search behavior is more recent, iirc that started in release > 4.something. > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 9:01 AM Mike via gnucash-user > wrote: > > > I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while entering a > > transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would begin > > searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began typing > > sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear and I could > > click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot find a > > setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? > > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- David Whiting From txtinman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 11:00:32 2021 From: txtinman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:00:32 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3150afdf-b6fd-1701-e785-d1bf493341a7@yahoo.com> It has only started recently. When I chose to display only leaf account names the search function seemed to work except it only showed top categories. I.E. Taxes instead of Taxes:State. Mike On 10/3/21 9:28 AM, David Carlson wrote: > I am using release 3.8 in Linux and the behavior in the account box is > still the same as it has been for years. You need to enter characters > matching existing entries in the COA. > > The changed search behavior is more recent, iirc that started in > release 4.something. > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 9:01 AM Mike via gnucash-user > > wrote: > > I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while > entering a > transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would begin > searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began typing > sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear and I > could > click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot > find a > setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From txtinman at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 11:03:05 2021 From: txtinman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:03:05 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71242e7c-73af-a255-8253-114e4fbce886@yahoo.com> My distribution is behind on updates as usual. I think I can get 4.0 with the Flatpak version. I would rather use an Appimage, but I don't think there is one. Mike On 10/3/21 9:22 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > Hi, > > I believe the more robust type-ahead search was added on v4 so have > you tried updating from v3.8 from 12/2019? > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 10:00 AM Mike via gnucash-user > > wrote: > > I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while > entering a > transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would begin > searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began typing > sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear and I > could > click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot > find a > setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 11:18:29 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:18:29 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues In-Reply-To: <71242e7c-73af-a255-8253-114e4fbce886@yahoo.com> References: <71242e7c-73af-a255-8253-114e4fbce886@yahoo.com> Message-ID: It seems odd that a distro release 3.8 would change in Linux Mint when it does not in other linux flavors. Have you changed desktops or ?? On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 10:04 AM Mike via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > My distribution is behind on updates as usual. I think I can get 4.0 > with the Flatpak version. I would rather use an Appimage, but I don't > think there is one. > > Mike > > On 10/3/21 9:22 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I believe the more robust type-ahead search was added on v4 so have > > you tried updating from v3.8 from 12/2019? > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 10:00 AM Mike via gnucash-user > > > wrote: > > > > I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while > > entering a > > transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would begin > > searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began typing > > sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear and I > > could > > click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot > > find a > > setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? > > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Sun Oct 3 12:04:44 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 12:04:44 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Message-ID: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above version of GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error are specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in Stock or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your end or not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, bond, mutual fund, etc. Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author of libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate input via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding "brokerage" account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as the source for it if you want to automate it. For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> 'Check & Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now and then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a bit. Kalpesh... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 From: Robin Chattopadhyay To: Gnucash Users Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 libofx 0.9.15 I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported previously). I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file again, I had the same experience as described above 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would try anyway. 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions in a single dialog Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I found this (I don't know if it's relevant): -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed Thanks, Robin From robinraymn at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 12:19:13 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 11:19:13 -0500 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> Message-ID: Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K OFX has fee transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale transactions do not get imported. That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction per month vs 9 every two weeks. On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel wrote: > The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX > introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above version of > GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely > doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. > > I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in > from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error are > specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in Stock > or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your end > or > not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have > changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not > considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, bond, > mutual fund, etc. > > Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: > 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import > brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author of > libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. > > It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX > correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate > input > via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding > "brokerage" > account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable > download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as the > source for it if you want to automate it. > > For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> 'Check & > Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now > and > then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry > over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). > > This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a bit. > > Kalpesh... > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 > From: Robin Chattopadhyay > To: Gnucash Users > Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > Message-ID: > 7Jjed1Oqxw_jPqssxjxG1Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 > libofx 0.9.15 > > I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got > a > message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security > in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. > This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities > (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported > previously). > > I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): > 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this > file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file > to > the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file > again, > I had the same experience as described above > 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through > the > import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, > but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic > transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for > a > single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for > each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single > security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would > try anyway. > 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions > in a single dialog > > Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I > found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > > Thanks, > Robin > > > > From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Sun Oct 3 12:43:50 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 12:43:50 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> Message-ID: <001301d7b875$d8427f40$88c77dc0$@usa.net> I believe your issue falls in the part of those libofx changes that were made. Are those nine transactions versus one in the same account or different account in same file? There are multiple way to hash this and thus finding the issue: singe account or multiple accounts in same ofx file (even how they are constructed matters ? similar to two fully ofx files concat?ed together version versus one session with two accounts in one file) ?by- cash only transactions, cash and security transactions or security transactions only -by- security/mutual fund account or non-security/non-mutual fund account. From what I can tell various combos of these fails to work properly, sadly. I didn?t keep the list of use cases validated around but I just fell back to earlier version (4.4) that has been working fine so far for all those use cases. From: Robin Chattopadhyay Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 12:19 PM To: Kalpesh Patel Cc: Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K OFX has fee transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale transactions do not get imported. That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction per month vs 9 every two weeks. On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel > wrote: The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above version of GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error are specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in Stock or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your end or not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, bond, mutual fund, etc. Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author of libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate input via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding "brokerage" account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as the source for it if you want to automate it. For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> 'Check & Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now and then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a bit. Kalpesh... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 From: Robin Chattopadhyay > To: Gnucash Users > Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 libofx 0.9.15 I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported previously). I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file again, I had the same experience as described above 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would try anyway. 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions in a single dialog Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I found this (I don't know if it's relevant): -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed Thanks, Robin From ripngo at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 13:12:16 2021 From: ripngo at gmail.com (Jean L) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:12:16 -0700 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: <001301d7b875$d8427f40$88c77dc0$@usa.net> References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> <001301d7b875$d8427f40$88c77dc0$@usa.net> Message-ID: <19bc8db7-a2be-70c8-5792-b7fd218d4acf@gmail.com> Kalpesh, if you could give me samples of OFX files that do not work with the current code, I'd be happy to fix the issues. I've been working on the OFX import (not the libofx, but GC part of it) and it's quite possible that some of the issues that you're seeing are caused by GC, and not changes to libofx... Jean On 10/3/2021 9:43 AM, Kalpesh Patel wrote: > I believe your issue falls in the part of those libofx changes that were made. Are those nine transactions versus one in the same account or different account in same file? > > > > There are multiple way to hash this and thus finding the issue: singe account or multiple accounts in same ofx file (even how they are constructed matters ? similar to two fully ofx files concat?ed together version versus one session with two accounts in one file) ?by- cash only transactions, cash and security transactions or security transactions only -by- security/mutual fund account or non-security/non-mutual fund account. From what I can tell various combos of these fails to work properly, sadly. I didn?t keep the list of use cases validated around but I just fell back to earlier version (4.4) that has been working fine so far for all those use cases. > > > > From: Robin Chattopadhyay > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 12:19 PM > To: Kalpesh Patel > Cc: Gnucash Users > Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > > > > Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K OFX has fee transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale transactions do not get imported. > > > > That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction per month vs 9 every two weeks. > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel > wrote: > > The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX > introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above version of > GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely > doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. > > I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in > from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error are > specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in Stock > or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your end or > not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have > changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not > considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, bond, > mutual fund, etc. > > Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: > 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import > brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author of > libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. > > It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX > correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate input > via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding "brokerage" > account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable > download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as the > source for it if you want to automate it. > > For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> 'Check & > Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now and > then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry > over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). > > This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a bit. > > Kalpesh... > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 > From: Robin Chattopadhyay > > To: Gnucash Users > > Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 > libofx 0.9.15 > > I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got a > message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security > in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. > This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities > (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported > previously). > > I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): > 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this > file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file to > the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file again, > I had the same experience as described above > 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through the > import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, > but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic > transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for a > single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for > each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single > security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would > try anyway. > 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions > in a single dialog > > Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I > found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > > Thanks, > Robin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Sun Oct 3 13:35:31 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 19:35:31 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <2304044.ElGaqSPkdT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <5756522.lOV4Wx5bFT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> As a side note, I am surprised you you are building epub, html and pdf for your ebuild. On linux the idea is you build the "ghelp" target* which generates the documentation in the format gnucash expects. It's installed in a way that is should open with yelp. The other formats were never intended to be distributed in linux packages. They are there to help us generate alternative formats for download from the gnucash website. Regards, Geert * Well, to be more precise if you configure the buildsystem with cmake on linux, it will by default only enable the ghelp target. And currently 'make' (without target) will do nothing on linux as until recently there was no need to build the documents for yelp. They could be used straight from the source directory for development. Only 'make install' would copy all required files in the appropriate install location. I said 'until recently' because very recently there have been changes that do require to run make in order to get a build of the documentation that can be tested with yelp for development. For linux packagers this still doesn't matter, they only need the 'make install' step. Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 22:26:19 CEST schreef Geert Janssens: > Please remember to send replies to the list rather than individual users. > Particularly if you are soliciting for answers from "anyone" ;) > > As to your problems, can you provide more details ? > > It's been a while since I tested the mobi format. Back then it worked fine, > also with cmake. You have to enable it explicitly though by passing > '-DWITH_MOBI=ON' to the cmake call. > > I wouldn't spend too much effort on it though. We're currently considering > to drop that format. It has been abandoned by Amazon as well. > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 19:40:30 CEST schreef Giuseppe Foti: > > I am fighting with it too, trying to create a gentoo ebuild for it. > > > > At now I can build, html and epub. > > > > With pdf I have a sandbox access violation issue, > > > > Can anyone confirm that "mobi" can be built both for "help" and "guide" ? > > > > > > > > > > Il 02/10/21 18:51, Geert Janssens ha scritto: > > > > Op zaterdag 2 oktober 2021 18:14:02 CEST schreef Mike Commissaris: > > > > Installing past versions of docs (ver 4.4) went smoothly. > > With ver 4.8 docs build, starting the install from my script file ./ > > gnucash-docs-4.8.sh > > I get an error at line 11: ./configure: No such file or directory > > Sure enough, there is no configure script file in my 4.8 docs build > > directory. > > I have searched for answers but have not figured out how to build docs in > > ver 4.8. > > Any suggestions or pointer to documentation? > > > > The autotools based build system for gnucash-docs has been deprecated in > > favor of the cmake based build system. > > > > In gnucash-docs 4.8, the bits to use autotools have been fully removed. > > > > The new way of building is summarized as follows: > > > > - create a build directory (eg 'build') next to your source directory > > - cd build > > - cmake ../ > > - make > > > > If you used to set an installation prefix while running configure you may > > want do to the equivalent for your cmake run. > > The syntax is "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=" > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gah1178 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 15:30:50 2021 From: gah1178 at gmail.com (A Harvey) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 15:30:50 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> References: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Flywire and D. Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them tonight and report back. The Kindle has what Amazon calls the "Experimental Browser". I have tried it a few times in the past just to see what it's like. What it's like is pouring molasses, but it works. I will try entering the link in the Kindle browser. I will also try to display an HTML document loaded to my Kindle to compare the speed. I assume that would be much faster. To get an HTML document to a Kindle, I either have to email it to an address that is unique to my account which will store it with the rest of my docs on an Amazon server, or plug my Kindle into a PC and copy the document from the PC to the Kindle. With respect to downloading an app, I don't think the Kindle supports apps of any kind. I should say I have never seen any downloadable apps on Amazon or on the web. I have seen a few grumbles about Kindle not having downloadable games. -Arthur On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:29 AM D. via gnucash-user wrote: > If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could install > an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: flywire > Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 > To: Gnucash Users > Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue > > Arthur, that's a nice summary of a > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document > > The issue has been raised and > https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was > offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From jralls at ceridwen.us Sun Oct 3 17:19:44 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 14:19:44 -0700 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> Message-ID: That sounds like https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798208 , which is fixed in GnuCash 4.8. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > > Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K OFX has fee > transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those > transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale transactions do > not get imported. > > That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction per month > vs 9 every two weeks. > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel wrote: > >> The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX >> introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above version of >> GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely >> doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. >> >> I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in >> from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error are >> specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in Stock >> or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your end >> or >> not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have >> changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not >> considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, bond, >> mutual fund, etc. >> >> Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: >> 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import >> brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author of >> libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. >> >> It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX >> correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate >> input >> via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding >> "brokerage" >> account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable >> download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as the >> source for it if you want to automate it. >> >> For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> 'Check & >> Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now >> and >> then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry >> over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). >> >> This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a bit. >> >> Kalpesh... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 >> From: Robin Chattopadhyay >> To: Gnucash Users >> Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions >> Message-ID: >> > 7Jjed1Oqxw_jPqssxjxG1Q at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 >> libofx 0.9.15 >> >> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got >> a >> message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security >> in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. >> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities >> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported >> previously). >> >> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): >> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this >> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file >> to >> the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file >> again, >> I had the same experience as described above >> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through >> the >> import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing >> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, >> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic >> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for >> a >> single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for >> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single >> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would >> try anyway. >> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions >> in a single dialog >> >> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I >> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >> >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >> >> Thanks, >> Robin >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From jralls at ceridwen.us Sun Oct 3 17:27:21 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 14:27:21 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't you have to connect your Kindle to a PC in order to install the docs in MOBI format too? How would we package the html, which is a few dozen files with a directory structure, so that it's easy to install into the Kindle? That question is mostly from curiosity. It seems that we got bad information and we should continue to provide MOBI downloads. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 3, 2021, at 12:30 PM, A Harvey wrote: > > Flywire and D. > Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them tonight and report back. > > The Kindle has what Amazon calls the "Experimental Browser". I have tried > it a few times in the past just to see what it's like. What it's like is > pouring molasses, but it works. I will try entering the link in the Kindle > browser. I will also try to display an HTML document loaded to my Kindle > to compare the speed. I assume that would be much faster. To get an HTML > document to a Kindle, I either have to email it to an address that is > unique to my account which will store it with the rest of my docs on an > Amazon server, or plug my Kindle into a PC and copy the document from the > PC to the Kindle. > > With respect to downloading an app, I don't think the Kindle supports apps > of any kind. I should say I have never seen any downloadable apps on Amazon > or on the web. I have seen a few grumbles about Kindle not having > downloadable games. > -Arthur > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:29 AM D. via gnucash-user > wrote: > >> If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could install >> an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> From: flywire >> Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 >> To: Gnucash Users >> Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue >> >> Arthur, that's a nice summary of a >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document >> >> The issue has been raised and >> https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was >> offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gnucash at acarver.net Sun Oct 3 19:07:53 2021 From: gnucash at acarver.net (AC) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 16:07:53 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb@comcast.net> References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb@comcast.net> Message-ID: <89b73dc6-b216-8fb1-19ae-0e4b79b33ab4@acarver.net> Thanks but this isn't my first rodeo with migrating computers. It's only my first migration with GnuCash to a later version and the primary purpose of my question is to make sure that changes in the file storage format get translated correctly since I'm well aware that the format has changed at least once since 2.6.x. On 2021-10-02 15:30, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> > a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier > to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your > current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine, > best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current version > you will have available for installing on the new machine. > > b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data > (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is > relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new > machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user > data structure. > > c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form > backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the > application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. > > Michael D Novack > From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 3 19:24:00 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 19:24:00 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <94e8bf91-85a2-41a6-b118-8b35a2a4f035@yahoo.com> The app question depends on the type of Kindle you're using. The Fire has supported apps in the past, but more bare bones Kindles don't. -------- Original Message -------- From: A Harvey Sent: Sun Oct 03 15:30:50 EDT 2021 To: "D." Cc: flywire , Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue Flywire and D. Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them tonight and report back. The Kindle has what Amazon calls the "Experimental Browser". I have tried it a few times in the past just to see what it's like. What it's like is pouring molasses, but it works. I will try entering the link in the Kindle browser. I will also try to display an HTML document loaded to my Kindle to compare the speed. I assume that would be much faster. To get an HTML document to a Kindle, I either have to email it to an address that is unique to my account which will store it with the rest of my docs on an Amazon server, or plug my Kindle into a PC and copy the document from the PC to the Kindle. With respect to downloading an app, I don't think the Kindle supports apps of any kind. I should say I have never seen any downloadable apps on Amazon or on the web. I have seen a few grumbles about Kindle not having downloadable games. -Arthur On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:29 AM D. via gnucash-user wrote: > If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could install > an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: flywire > Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 > To: Gnucash Users > Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue > > Arthur, that's a nice summary of a > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document > > The issue has been raised and > https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was > offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From christina at airgeadstudio.net Sun Oct 3 20:03:34 2021 From: christina at airgeadstudio.net (Christina Martin) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 11:03:34 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> Message-ID: <17c489ce3f0.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> I agree Glenn. It used to do so. Regards, Christina Christina Martin Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. On 4 October 2021 1:27:12 am Glenn Fowler wrote: > Hi Christina, > > What you described is the same issue. The only difference is I am pressing > and you are closing and reopening the register for the scheduled > transactions to appear. > > The expected behaviour should be for the scheduled transactions to appear > without user input in the register. > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:17 PM Christina Martin > wrote: > I have a similar problem, although I haven't tried entering a blank txn. > Another user reported something similar back in February and I tried to add > my $0.02 worth at the time, but two messages I sent didn't get through. > > In a nutshell, I save the registry, close and reopen it and the txns show up. > > Below is a copy of the information I tried to send in Feb, setting out the > testing I had done. > > "I tried to send this response to the list 2 days ago, but I haven't seen > it come in on the digest, so I must have done something wrong. > > > > > I finally had time to sit down and do some testing and I'm covering things > raised and suggested in a variety of digests up to Wed 10/2. > > > > > This odd behaviour started when I was using the previous version, and I > hoped that the upgrade to the 4.x series would fix it. I *think* I was > still on 2.x when I upgraded last year, but I can't be certain of that (the > manual update process means I tend to leave it for a while). For a variety > of reasons that I don't wish to get into now, I decided to start a new file > for the start of the Australian financial year on 1 July 2020. I can't > remember exactly what I did except that it involved a blank copy of the > original account tree. I then manually created all my scheduled > transactions to match the original file. I don't know if that means that > I've somehow imported an old error. > > > > > I'm running GC 4.2 (build 4.2+(2020-09-26) on Windows 10 Home 64 bit OS > (build 19041.746). The only filters I have set are to hide reconciled txns > in each register, and the financial year for Australia. > > > > > The first thing I've noticed is that I don't need to fully close GC to get > the scheduled txns to display - closing and reopening the account is > sufficient. I tend to keep all 4 personal accounts open all the time inside > GC, so I guess I'd potentially have to close and reopen all 4, in which > case, closing and reopening the entire file is easier. > > > > > I have created a new scheduled txn from a dummy txn in my register. I left > "Notify me when created ticked". I saved the file and then ran Actions -> > Scheduled Txns -> Since Last Run... I cancelled the Since Last Run window > that popped up. The txns did not display until I closed and reopened the > account register although I could see that the balance in the register > changed where the next txn should be showing up. When I click on OK at the > Since Last Run window, the full details of the scheduled txns immediately > show up in the register. If I click on the "Review Created Transactions" > check box in the Since Last Run... window and click on OK, the two txns > that should show up open in a new register window titled Created > Transactions *and* I can see them immediately in the account register. > > > > > David Carlson mentioned that he didn't know what I meant by GC telling me > on start up how many scheduled txns it had created. My scheduled txns are > *always* set to be Enabled (ticked) Create automatically (ticked) Create in > advance 14 days ticked. I always disable Notify me when created (as I > hadn't noticed until today that was an option to turn off in Edit -> > Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions - in my defence, I last edited them > several years ago). I created a new scheduled txn according to these > parameters and I get a pop-up window on start up that says: > > > > > "There are no Scheduled Transactions to be entered at this time. (2 > transactions automatically created) -> Close" > > > > > The txns will change the balance in the register, but the actual detail > won't display until the account is closed and reopened. > > > > > If I have "Notify me when created" checked, I get the Since Last Run window > instead. All of my 30+ scheduled txns do *not* have this enabled - I do not > need to be told what they are on start up, I just need them to show up in > the register - and I have run it this way since very early on in using GC, > it must be at least 10 years. The problem I'm seeing started some time in > 2019 (or at the very latest, very early 2020). I'm vague about exactly when > because it took a while to be certain I was seeing a consistent issue and > not imagining it (since they eventually displayed). > > > > > The last thing I tried was to turn off "Notify before transactions are > created" in Edit -> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions. I then went > through the steps of creating and running a new scheduled txn only to find > the same problem that the register balance changes, but the detail doesn't > display until the account is closed and reopened. > > > > > It definitely seems that whether or not the Notification is set to show or > not is key to the issue, but I have to reiterate that I didn't change how I > handled my scheduled txns when I first started seeing it. I'm not sure what > the next step here is." > > > Regards, > Christina > > Christina Martin > Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. > > > On 3 October 2021 11:23:42 am gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: > >> Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >> 2. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) >> 3. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) >> 4. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >> 5. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >> 6. Re: Making the leap to latest (Michael or Penny Novack) >> 7. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register >> until is pressed (Robin Chattopadhyay) >> 8. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register >> until is pressed (Glenn Fowler) >> 9. Re: OFX Import with Investment Transactions (Robin Chattopadhyay) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:40 -0400 >> From: Derek Atkins >> To: AC , GnuCash users group >> >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >> Message-ID: >> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >> >>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >> >> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >> >> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't fix >> it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your system, >> it'll be easier to use recent versions. >> >> -derek >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >> >>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>> I can see. >>> >>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>> >>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>> the same way? >>> >>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>> update? >>> >>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>> one for every point version)? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:11:39 -0700 >> From: AC >> To: Derek Atkins , GnuCash users group >> >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >> >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> -derek >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date that >>>> I can see. >>>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>> >>>> >>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still work >>>> the same way? >>>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>> update? >>>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>> one for every point version)? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:18:19 -0700 >> From: AC >> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a >> version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows >> and without disturbing the existing installation? >> >> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with >> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full >> install. >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> >>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>> >>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>> >>> >>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>> >>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>> >>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>> >>>> -derek >>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date that >>>>> I can see. >>>>> >>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still work >>>>> the same way? >>>>> >>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>>> update? >>>>> >>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>> ----- >>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400 >> From: Derek Atkins >> To: AC , GnuCash users group >> >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >> Message-ID: >> <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Basic features are all the same. >> Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to >> manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade. And you may lose >> saved reports. >> >> -derek >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >> On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC wrote: >> >>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> >>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>> >>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>> >>> >>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>> >>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>> >>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>> >>>> -derek >>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>>>> I can see. >>>>> >>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>>>> the same way? >>>>> >>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>>> update? >>>>> >>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>> ----- >>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400 >> From: Derek Atkins >> To: AC , >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >> Message-ID: >> <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >> >> No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple versions >> installed. >> >> -derek >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >> On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC wrote: >> >>> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a >>> version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows >>> and without disturbing the existing installation? >>> >>> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone with >>> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the full >>> install. >>> >>> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>>> >>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>>> >>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>>> >>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>>> >>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>>> >>>>> -derek >>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>>>>> I can see. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>>>>> the same way? >>>>>> >>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>>>> update? >>>>>> >>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400 >> From: Michael or Penny Novack >> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >> Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb at comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >> >> On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: >>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier >> to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your >> current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine, >> best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current version >> you will have available for installing on the new machine. >> >> b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data >> (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is >> relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new >> machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user >> data structure. >> >> c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form >> backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the >> application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. >> >> Michael D Novack >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500 >> From: Robin Chattopadhyay >> To: john >> Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group >> >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the >> register until is pressed >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I interpreted the question differently. >> >> If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the >> register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions until >> you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's the >> experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. >> >> Robin >> >> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings >>>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as >>>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >>> until >>>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them >>> to >>>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead >>> of >>>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >>> >>> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview >>> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John Ralls >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:32:15 -0400 >> From: Glenn Fowler >> To: john >> Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group >> >> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the >> register until is pressed >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Hi John, >> >> I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled transactions do >> create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened after >> the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until you >> press which can create issues because you are looking at an >> out-of-date register. >> >> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in settings >>>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do run as >>>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >>> until >>>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for them >>> to >>>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books instead >>> of >>>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >>> >>> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the Overview >>> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >>> >>> Regards, >>> John Ralls >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:19:42 -0500 >> From: Robin Chattopadhyay >> To: Gnucash Users >> Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Jean- >> >> I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. >> >> As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there were no >> additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. >> >> There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are also >> in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't allow you >> to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other quarter'. >> >> I tried something else to research... >> >> Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from Sep. >> 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with one >> matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I then >> attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 transactions >> -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new transactions >> dated 9/24. >> >> The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are two >> transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're >> already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file >> /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 >> transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as >> those are older transactions that are already in the database. I clicked >> 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main application. >> It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no new >> transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look at the >> subsequent accounts. >> >> In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created and >> the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are >> limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively >> affect the import process. >> >> Something else that I just noticed... >> >> If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account >> registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close and >> re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you >> re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. >> >> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: >>> >>> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up >>> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog >>> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if there >>> are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. >>> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file >>> had transfers between accounts. >>> >>> I see two issues here: >>> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see >>> comment above) >>> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply ignored. >>> >>> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first >>> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you just >>> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of >>> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together as >>> before) >>> >>> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else >>> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for the >>> imported transactions were already present in the target account. This >>> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously imported >>> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems >>> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported >>> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account >>> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the >>> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. >>> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank account >>> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions >>> already exist in your target account. >>> >>> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making sure >>> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? >>> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported >>> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported >>> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not imported >>> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account >>> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular >>> editor) whether that FITID exists. >>> >>> Jean >>> >>> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: >>>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) >>>> Gnucash 4.8 >>>> libofx 0.9.15 >>>> >>>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I >> got >>>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single >>>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to >> process. >>>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine >> securities >>>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been >> imported >>>> previously). >>>> >>>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of >> course): >>>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for >> this >>>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the >> file >>>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file >>>> again, I had the same experience as described above >>>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through >>>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing >>>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped >> up, >>>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >>>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the >> generic >>>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions >> for >>>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process >> for >>>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >>>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a >> single >>>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >>>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >>>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >>>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I >> would >>>> try anyway. >>>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new >> transactions >>>> in a single dialog >>>> >>>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >>>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong >> and I >>>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >>>> >>>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >>>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Robin >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: robin.qfx >> Type: application/octet-stream >> Size: 56427 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: test-file.gnucash >> Type: application/x-gnucash >> Size: 10338 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 6 >> ******************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gah1178 at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 22:29:53 2021 From: gah1178 at gmail.com (A Harvey) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 22:29:53 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: <94e8bf91-85a2-41a6-b118-8b35a2a4f035@yahoo.com> References: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> <94e8bf91-85a2-41a6-b118-8b35a2a4f035@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Addressing the messages in reverse order. I should have been more precise. All my comments have assumed the user has an Kindle e-reader, i.e. "Kindle", "Kindle Paperwhite" or "Kindle Oasis". I thought the "Kindle Fire" was or is a tablet, not just an e-reader. I know very little about the Fire. I think it has a color display and does stuff one might expect a tablet to do including download and run apps. With respect to how to get documents onto a Kindle, either of the methods I briefly described will work for any format supported by the Kindle. I have a bunch of books I bought from a non-Amazon site that lets one download a purchased book in multiple formats. This site offers PDF, ePub and MOBI. I uploaded books in all 3 formats (including ePub) from my PC to my Amazon account by emailing the books, as attachments, to the email address supplied by Amazon for that purpose. My Kindle will display all of these in the list of documents for my personal library. WiFi connection required, of course. If I want to read them, I can download them from my library at Amazon to my Kindle device over the network. They remain stored on the device until I decide to remove them. I can read the PDF version, with some pain as I mentioned. I can read the MOBI version without any trouble. If I try to read the ePub, I get an error essentially telling me it can't decipher that. I have also loaded various format docs from my PC to my Kindle via a USB cable. I find the email method to be much easier and faster than connecting the device to my PC. Also, I can load the books from my library to the Android Kindle app and to the Windows app in the same way as I do for the Kindle device. With respect to handling HTML as a document, it works fine if there is only a *single* HTML file with no other files required. I don't think this would work very well for the GNC documentation if it requires any other files of any type including HTML or a directory structure. I think Amazon has a section on its web site with information for authors. I have not looked at this and don't know if it has suggestions that would help for the GNC documentation. Regarding Amazon dropping MOBI, I hadn't heard about Amazon dropping MOBI support from their readers. There would be a large number of pissed-off people who bought content from Amazon in MOBI years ago. I'm guessing they require any new books that are sold through Amazon to be one of the AZW formats as I think they have better formatting capabilities and make it harder to remove DRM. I haven't investigated that carefully so don't quote me. I tried the link from flywire https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html in the "Experimental Browser" (I'm thinking that the browser has been around maybe 10 or more years. An endless experiment). I was happy that it loaded more quickly than I expected. Most of my time was spent trying to correctly type the url. Using links to navigate worked fine. One must remember that the Kindle display is black and white only so everything is grayscale. Also, it has the same size issue as does PDF. The entire page is loaded and the only way to enlarge text is by zooming in. No reflow of that document. I also loaded a single HTML document to the device and displayed it as I would any other book . It works fine. Text reflows and it follows links to locations that are within the document. Hope some of this information proves useful. -Arthur On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:24 PM D. wrote: > The app question depends on the type of Kindle you're using. The Fire has > supported apps in the past, but more bare bones Kindles don't. > ------------------------------ > *From:* A Harvey > *Sent:* Sun Oct 03 15:30:50 EDT 2021 > *To:* "D." > *Cc:* flywire , Gnucash Users > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue > > Flywire and D. > Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them tonight and report back. > > The Kindle has what Amazon calls the "Experimental Browser". I have tried > it a few times in the past just to see what it's like. What it's like is > pouring molasses, but it works. I will try entering the link in the Kindle > browser. I will also try to display an HTML document loaded to my Kindle > to compare the speed. I assume that would be much faster. To get an HTML > document to a Kindle, I either have to email it to an address that is > unique to my account which will store it with the rest of my docs on an > Amazon server, or plug my Kindle into a PC and copy the document from the > PC to the Kindle. > > With respect to downloading an app, I don't think the Kindle supports apps > of any kind. I should say I have never seen any downloadable apps on Amazon > or on the web. I have seen a few grumbles about Kindle not having > downloadable games. > -Arthur > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:29 AM D. via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > >> If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could install >> an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> From: flywire < flywire0 at gmail.com> >> Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 >> To: Gnucash Users < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> >> Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue >> >> Arthur, that's a nice summary of a >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document >> >> The issue has been raised and >> https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was >> offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > From pbw at pbw.id.au Sun Oct 3 23:27:50 2021 From: pbw at pbw.id.au (Peter West) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 13:27:50 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Message-ID: <6356584F-009C-42AF-A712-4481FFAEEC47@pbw.id.au> I would disagree with ?don?t upgrade unless entirely necessary." Open source software (OSS) requires a different approach. Proprietary software offers guarantees of the support lifetime of the software you purchase, paid for by your money. The resources for development and support are very limited and voluntary. The benefits of OSS come with some implied responsibilities. Keep your software up-to-date. Keep the installer for you current version of the software. When the next version is released, secure the backup of your date and install the new software. If something goes wrong, re-install the working version, restore your date, and report your problem. We recently had two successive install difficulties, for example. You don?t need to keep the dud installers, obviously. Keep an eye on the mailing list, and offer your suggestions to other users if yo think you know how to fix their problems. Peter ? Peter West pbw at ehealth.id.au ?The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.? > On 3 Oct 2021, at 8:11 am, AC wrote: > > I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be > replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > > So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > > Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm > making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). > > > On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >> >> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >> >> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >> >> -derek >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >> >>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>> I can see. >>> >>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>> >>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>> the same way? >>> >>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>> update? >>> >>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>> one for every point version)? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From ripngo at gmail.com Sun Oct 3 23:49:48 2021 From: ripngo at gmail.com (Roger Moore) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 20:49:48 -0700 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> Message-ID: There was indeed a bug so I opened https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798327 and created a PR with a simple fix. I verified that on the file that Robin provided the import continues as expected for all 11 securities. On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 2:21 PM john wrote: > That sounds like https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798208 < > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798208>, which is fixed in > GnuCash 4.8. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > > On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay > wrote: > > > > Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K OFX has fee > > transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those > > transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale transactions do > > not get imported. > > > > That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction per month > > vs 9 every two weeks. > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel > wrote: > > > >> The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX > >> introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above > version of > >> GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely > >> doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. > >> > >> I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in > >> from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error > are > >> specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in > Stock > >> or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your > end > >> or > >> not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have > >> changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not > >> considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, > bond, > >> mutual fund, etc. > >> > >> Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: > >> 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import > >> brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author > of > >> libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. > >> > >> It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX > >> correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate > >> input > >> via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding > >> "brokerage" > >> account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable > >> download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as > the > >> source for it if you want to automate it. > >> > >> For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> > 'Check & > >> Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now > >> and > >> then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry > >> over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). > >> > >> This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a > bit. > >> > >> Kalpesh... > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 > >> From: Robin Chattopadhyay > >> To: Gnucash Users > >> Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > >> Message-ID: > >> >> 7Jjed1Oqxw_jPqssxjxG1Q at mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash > 4.8 > >> libofx 0.9.15 > >> > >> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I > got > >> a > >> message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single > security > >> in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. > >> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine > securities > >> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been > imported > >> previously). > >> > >> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of > course): > >> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for > this > >> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the > file > >> to > >> the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file > >> again, > >> I had the same experience as described above > >> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through > >> the > >> import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > >> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped > up, > >> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the > >> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the > generic > >> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions > for > >> a > >> single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process > for > >> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > >> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a > single > >> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > >> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file > >> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu > >> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I > would > >> try anyway. > >> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new > transactions > >> in a single dialog > >> > >> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the > >> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong > and I > >> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > >> > >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Robin > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From beastmaster126 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 4 00:06:42 2021 From: beastmaster126 at hotmail.com (Jeff) Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 23:06:42 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Newest version for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 10/2/21 12:48 PM, david whiting wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 07:11, Jeff wrote: > [...] >> I would settle for a copy of "Building the Newest Version of GNC for >> Dummies Course" book. > Others have shown you that you can use flatpak to get the latest > version, but if you do want to build from source I have found that the > following works on Ubuntu 20.04. I have also attached it as a script. > This clones the source from git and by default builds the maintenance > version. The versions are tagged, so you can use git to checkout a > different version and build that if you want, e.g. you could build 4.8 > rather than maint. > > ==== build-gnucash.sh ==== > > ## Change this if you want to build it somewhere else. > SOURCEDIR="$HOME/Documents/gnucash/source" > BUILDDIR="$HOME/Documents/gnucash/build" > > sudo apt update > sudo apt upgrade > > sudo apt-get install build-essential > ## This is one long line > sudo apt install git make cmake libglib2.0-dev libxml2-dev > libxslt1-dev libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev gettext swig guile-3.0-dev > libofx-dev xsltproc libboost-all-dev libdbi1 libdbi-dev libdbd-sqlite3 > libsecret-1-0 libsecret-1-dev aqbanking-tools libaqbanking-dev > gwenhywfar-tools libgwengui-gtk3-dev > > # Only use the next 2 lines if you have not installed [[Google_Test | > Google Test]] already. > sudo apt install libgtest-dev # >=1.7.0 > sudo apt install google-mock # 1.8.0 installs > googlemock in a subdirectory of gtest > > mkdir -p $SOURCEDIR > mkdir -p $BUILDDIR > > ## Clone gnucash source from git, if it is not already there > [ ! -d $SOURCEDIR/gnucash ] && git clone > https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash.git $SOURCEDIR > > cd $BUILDDIR > cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$HOME/opt/gnucash $SOURCEDIR > > make > > ==== end of script ==== > > David As time permits I will give it a try.? All of my previous attempts have failed. My next problem seems that after following, shoot can not remember who demonstrated it for me, the Flatpak install of 4.8 keeps copying my books from an external drive to my user desktop. Complete with all timed backups.? Clearly I have an environment variable set wrong someplace.? Oh well, that's what keeps development interesting, figuring out where you hid that little gremlin in the system. -- --JEffrey Black M.B.A. From gonewest at westnet.com.au Mon Oct 4 01:47:48 2021 From: gonewest at westnet.com.au (John Walker) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 15:47:48 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Invoicing Message-ID: <08bad449-3bca-71a6-a915-cd7ac94c9771@westnet.com.au> I have not used the invoice sections of GnuCash for some time. The work done since that time up to version 4.8 has been astounding and of course caused me to go through quite a learning curve. I have a few questions: I believe the only header images that are appropriate for stylesheets are 100dpi png formats up to 15cm wide.? Is this correct?? I experienced quite a few adventures working this out. Is there a better method available for working with images in stylesheets besides trial and error? I was able to make up a custom stylesheet and get a satisfactory invoice template.? However, it did not save when I shut down Gnucash.? What am I doing wrong? Is there any documentation concerning the CSS-based stylesheet (experimental)?? Is this an area a mug punter like myself should be playing with? Cheers John From gfowler1 at outlook.com Mon Oct 4 09:34:20 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:34:20 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: <17c489ce3f0.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> References: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <17c489ce3f0.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> Message-ID: Everyone, Should I open a bug report? I would think that looking at an incorrect register would be deemed a bug and not a feature request. On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:03 PM Christina Martin wrote: > I agree Glenn. It used to do so. > > Regards, > Christina > > *Christina Martin* > Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. > > On 4 October 2021 1:27:12 am Glenn Fowler wrote: > >> Hi Christina, >> >> What you described is the same issue. The only difference is I am >> pressing and you are closing and reopening the register for the >> scheduled transactions to appear. >> >> The expected behaviour should be for the scheduled transactions to appear >> without user input in the register. >> >> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:17 PM Christina Martin < >> christina at airgeadstudio.net> wrote: >> >>> I have a similar problem, although I haven't tried entering a blank txn. >>> Another user reported something similar back in February and I tried to >>> add >>> my $0.02 worth at the time, but two messages I sent didn't get through. >>> >>> In a nutshell, I save the registry, close and reopen it and the txns >>> show up. >>> >>> Below is a copy of the information I tried to send in Feb, setting out >>> the >>> testing I had done. >>> >>> "I tried to send this response to the list 2 days ago, but I haven't >>> seen >>> it come in on the digest, so I must have done something wrong. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I finally had time to sit down and do some testing and I'm covering >>> things >>> raised and suggested in a variety of digests up to Wed 10/2. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This odd behaviour started when I was using the previous version, and I >>> hoped that the upgrade to the 4.x series would fix it. I *think* I was >>> still on 2.x when I upgraded last year, but I can't be certain of that >>> (the >>> manual update process means I tend to leave it for a while). For a >>> variety >>> of reasons that I don't wish to get into now, I decided to start a new >>> file >>> for the start of the Australian financial year on 1 July 2020. I can't >>> remember exactly what I did except that it involved a blank copy of the >>> original account tree. I then manually created all my scheduled >>> transactions to match the original file. I don't know if that means that >>> I've somehow imported an old error. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm running GC 4.2 (build 4.2+(2020-09-26) on Windows 10 Home 64 bit OS >>> (build 19041.746). The only filters I have set are to hide reconciled >>> txns >>> in each register, and the financial year for Australia. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The first thing I've noticed is that I don't need to fully close GC to >>> get >>> the scheduled txns to display - closing and reopening the account is >>> sufficient. I tend to keep all 4 personal accounts open all the time >>> inside >>> GC, so I guess I'd potentially have to close and reopen all 4, in which >>> case, closing and reopening the entire file is easier. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have created a new scheduled txn from a dummy txn in my register. I >>> left >>> "Notify me when created ticked". I saved the file and then ran Actions >>> -> >>> Scheduled Txns -> Since Last Run... I cancelled the Since Last Run >>> window >>> that popped up. The txns did not display until I closed and reopened the >>> account register although I could see that the balance in the register >>> changed where the next txn should be showing up. When I click on OK at >>> the >>> Since Last Run window, the full details of the scheduled txns >>> immediately >>> show up in the register. If I click on the "Review Created Transactions" >>> check box in the Since Last Run... window and click on OK, the two txns >>> that should show up open in a new register window titled Created >>> Transactions *and* I can see them immediately in the account register. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> David Carlson mentioned that he didn't know what I meant by GC telling >>> me >>> on start up how many scheduled txns it had created. My scheduled txns >>> are >>> *always* set to be Enabled (ticked) Create automatically (ticked) Create >>> in >>> advance 14 days ticked. I always disable Notify me when created (as I >>> hadn't noticed until today that was an option to turn off in Edit -> >>> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions - in my defence, I last edited >>> them >>> several years ago). I created a new scheduled txn according to these >>> parameters and I get a pop-up window on start up that says: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "There are no Scheduled Transactions to be entered at this time. (2 >>> transactions automatically created) -> Close" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The txns will change the balance in the register, but the actual detail >>> won't display until the account is closed and reopened. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If I have "Notify me when created" checked, I get the Since Last Run >>> window >>> instead. All of my 30+ scheduled txns do *not* have this enabled - I do >>> not >>> need to be told what they are on start up, I just need them to show up >>> in >>> the register - and I have run it this way since very early on in using >>> GC, >>> it must be at least 10 years. The problem I'm seeing started some time >>> in >>> 2019 (or at the very latest, very early 2020). I'm vague about exactly >>> when >>> because it took a while to be certain I was seeing a consistent issue >>> and >>> not imagining it (since they eventually displayed). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The last thing I tried was to turn off "Notify before transactions are >>> created" in Edit -> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions. I then went >>> through the steps of creating and running a new scheduled txn only to >>> find >>> the same problem that the register balance changes, but the detail >>> doesn't >>> display until the account is closed and reopened. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It definitely seems that whether or not the Notification is set to show >>> or >>> not is key to the issue, but I have to reiterate that I didn't change >>> how I >>> handled my scheduled txns when I first started seeing it. I'm not sure >>> what >>> the next step here is." >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Christina >>> >>> Christina Martin >>> Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. >>> >>> >>> On 3 October 2021 11:23:42 am gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: >>> >>> > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to >>> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> > >>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> > gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org >>> > >>> > You can reach the person managing the list at >>> > gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org >>> > >>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> > than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." >>> > >>> > >>> > Today's Topics: >>> > >>> > 1. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >>> > 2. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) >>> > 3. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) >>> > 4. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >>> > 5. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >>> > 6. Re: Making the leap to latest (Michael or Penny Novack) >>> > 7. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register >>> > until is pressed (Robin Chattopadhyay) >>> > 8. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register >>> > until is pressed (Glenn Fowler) >>> > 9. Re: OFX Import with Investment Transactions (Robin Chattopadhyay) >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > Message: 1 >>> > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:40 -0400 >>> > From: Derek Atkins >>> > To: AC , GnuCash users group >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >>> > >>> >> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> > >>> > At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> > >>> > While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>> don't fix >>> > it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> system, >>> > it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> > >>> > -derek >>> > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> > On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> > >>> >> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date >>> that >>> >> I can see. >>> >> >>> >> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>> >> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>> >> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> >> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>> transaction >>> >> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>> >> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still >>> work >>> >> the same way? >>> >> >>> >> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>> >> update? >>> >> >>> >> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>> >> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully >>> not >>> >> one for every point version)? >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >> ----- >>> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 2 >>> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:11:39 -0700 >>> > From: AC >>> > To: Derek Atkins , GnuCash users group >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>> > Message-ID: >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> > >>> > I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> > replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> > installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> > >>> > So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>> > 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>> > >>> > Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>> > making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>> > various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>> > >>> > >>> > On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> >>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >> >>> >> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >> >>> >> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>> don't >>> >> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> >> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >> >>> >> -derek >>> >> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> >> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date >>> that >>> >>> I can see. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>> and >>> >>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for >>> standard >>> >>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> >>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>> transaction >>> >>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>> transactions, >>> >>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still >>> work >>> >>> the same way? >>> >>> >>> >>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be >>> to >>> >>> update? >>> >>> >>> >>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>> and >>> >>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully >>> not >>> >>> one for every point version)? >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 3 >>> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:18:19 -0700 >>> > From: AC >>> > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>> > Message-ID: >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> > >>> > Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a >>> > version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows >>> > and without disturbing the existing installation? >>> > >>> > If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone >>> with >>> > a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the >>> full >>> > install. >>> > >>> > On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >>> >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> >> >>> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>> >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>> >> >>> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>> >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>> >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>> don't >>> >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild >>> your >>> >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -derek >>> >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date >>> that >>> >>>> I can see. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>> and >>> >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for >>> standard >>> >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>> transaction >>> >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>> transactions, >>> >>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still >>> work >>> >>>> the same way? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be >>> to >>> >>>> update? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>> and >>> >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need >>> (hopefully not >>> >>>> one for every point version)? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >>>> ----- >>> >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >> ----- >>> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 4 >>> > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400 >>> > From: Derek Atkins >>> > To: AC , GnuCash users group >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >>> > >>> > Basic features are all the same. >>> > Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to >>> > manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade. And you may >>> lose >>> > saved reports. >>> > >>> > -derek >>> > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> > On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC wrote: >>> > >>> >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> >> >>> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>> >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>> >> >>> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>> >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>> >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>> don't >>> >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild >>> your >>> >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> >>> >>> -derek >>> >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date >>> that >>> >>>> I can see. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>> and >>> >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for >>> standard >>> >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>> transaction >>> >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>> transactions, >>> >>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still >>> work >>> >>>> the same way? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be >>> to >>> >>>> update? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>> and >>> >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need >>> (hopefully not >>> >>>> one for every point version)? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >>>> ----- >>> >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >> ----- >>> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 5 >>> > Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400 >>> > From: Derek Atkins >>> > To: AC , >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>> > Message-ID: >>> > <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >>> > >>> > No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple >>> versions >>> > installed. >>> > >>> > -derek >>> > Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> > On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC wrote: >>> > >>> >> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a >>> >> version without having to go through a complete installation on >>> Windows >>> >> and without disturbing the existing installation? >>> >> >>> >> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone >>> with >>> >> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the >>> full >>> >> install. >>> >> >>> >> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >>> >>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely >>> be >>> >>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> >>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> >>> >>> >>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>> >>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>> >>> >>> >>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? >>> I'm >>> >>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>> >>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus >>> far). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> >>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>>> >>> >>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>> don't >>> >>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild >>> your >>> >>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -derek >>> >>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> >>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date >>> that >>> >>>>> I can see. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>> and >>> >>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for >>> standard >>> >>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>> >>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>> transaction >>> >>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>> transactions, >>> >>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still >>> work >>> >>>>> the same way? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it >>> be to >>> >>>>> update? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>> and >>> >>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need >>> (hopefully not >>> >>>>> one for every point version)? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >>>>> ----- >>> >>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >> ----- >>> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 6 >>> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400 >>> > From: Michael or Penny Novack >>> > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>> > Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb at comcast.net> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>> > >>> > On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: >>> >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>> >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>> >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>> > a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier >>> > to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your >>> > current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine, >>> > best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current >>> version >>> > you will have available for installing on the new machine. >>> > >>> > b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data >>> > (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is >>> > relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new >>> > machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user >>> > data structure. >>> > >>> > c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form >>> > backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the >>> > application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. >>> > >>> > Michael D Novack >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 7 >>> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500 >>> > From: Robin Chattopadhyay >>> > To: john >>> > Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the >>> > register until is pressed >>> > Message-ID: >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> > >>> > I interpreted the question differently. >>> > >>> > If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the >>> > register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions >>> until >>> > you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's >>> the >>> > experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. >>> > >>> > Robin >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in >>> settings >>> >>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do >>> run as >>> >>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>> >>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >>> >> until >>> >>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for >>> them >>> >> to >>> >>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books >>> instead >>> >> of >>> >>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >>> >> >>> >> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the >>> Overview >>> >> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >>> >> >>> >> Regards, >>> >> John Ralls >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >> ----- >>> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 8 >>> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:32:15 -0400 >>> > From: Glenn Fowler >>> > To: john >>> > Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group >>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the >>> > register until is pressed >>> > Message-ID: >>> > < >>> SJ0PR19MB444552A7EC1F1DEA3764FB8F8FAC9 at SJ0PR19MB4445.namprd19.prod.outlook.com >>> > >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> > >>> > Hi John, >>> > >>> > I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled >>> transactions do >>> > create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened >>> after >>> > the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until >>> you >>> > press which can create issues because you are looking at an >>> > out-of-date register. >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in >>> settings >>> >>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do >>> run as >>> >>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>> >>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >>> >> until >>> >>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for >>> them >>> >> to >>> >>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books >>> instead >>> >> of >>> >>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >>> >> >>> >> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the >>> Overview >>> >> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >>> >> >>> >> Regards, >>> >> John Ralls >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Message: 9 >>> > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:19:42 -0500 >>> > From: Robin Chattopadhyay >>> > To: Gnucash Users >>> > Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions >>> > Message-ID: >>> > >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> > >>> > Hi Jean- >>> > >>> > I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. >>> > >>> > As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there >>> were no >>> > additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. >>> > >>> > There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are >>> also >>> > in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't >>> allow you >>> > to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other >>> quarter'. >>> > >>> > I tried something else to research... >>> > >>> > Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from >>> Sep. >>> > 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with >>> one >>> > matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I >>> then >>> > attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 >>> transactions >>> > -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new >>> transactions >>> > dated 9/24. >>> > >>> > The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are >>> two >>> > transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're >>> > already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file >>> > /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 >>> > transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as >>> > those are older transactions that are already in the database. I >>> clicked >>> > 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main >>> application. >>> > It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no >>> new >>> > transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look >>> at the >>> > subsequent accounts. >>> > >>> > In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created >>> and >>> > the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are >>> > limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively >>> > affect the import process. >>> > >>> > Something else that I just noticed... >>> > >>> > If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account >>> > registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close >>> and >>> > re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you >>> > re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up >>> >> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog >>> >> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if >>> there >>> >> are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. >>> >> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file >>> >> had transfers between accounts. >>> >> >>> >> I see two issues here: >>> >> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see >>> >> comment above) >>> >> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply >>> ignored. >>> >> >>> >> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first >>> >> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you >>> just >>> >> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of >>> >> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together >>> as >>> >> before) >>> >> >>> >> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else >>> >> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for >>> the >>> >> imported transactions were already present in the target account. This >>> >> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously >>> imported >>> >> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems >>> >> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported >>> >> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account >>> >> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the >>> >> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. >>> >> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank >>> account >>> >> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions >>> >> already exist in your target account. >>> >> >>> >> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making >>> sure >>> >> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? >>> >> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported >>> >> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported >>> >> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not >>> imported >>> >> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account >>> >> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular >>> >> editor) whether that FITID exists. >>> >> >>> >> Jean >>> >> >>> >> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: >>> >>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) >>> >>> Gnucash 4.8 >>> >>> libofx 0.9.15 >>> >>> >>> >>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and >>> I >>> > got >>> >>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single >>> >>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to >>> > process. >>> >>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine >>> > securities >>> >>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been >>> > imported >>> >>> previously). >>> >>> >>> >>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of >>> > course): >>> >>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for >>> > this >>> >>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the >>> > file >>> >>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX >>> file >>> >>> again, I had the same experience as described above >>> >>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. >>> Through >>> >>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, >>> nothing >>> >>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped >>> > up, >>> >>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >>> >>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the >>> > generic >>> >>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with >>> transactions >>> > for >>> >>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the >>> process >>> > for >>> >>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >>> >>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a >>> > single >>> >>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >>> >>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >>> >>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >>> >>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I >>> > would >>> >>> try anyway. >>> >>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new >>> > transactions >>> >>> in a single dialog >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >>> >>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong >>> > and I >>> >>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >>> >>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> gnucash-user mailing list >>> >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> >> ----- >>> >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> > Name: robin.qfx >>> > Type: application/octet-stream >>> > Size: 56427 bytes >>> > Desc: not available >>> > URL: >>> > < >>> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/attachments/20211002/4d9fdfdc/attachment.obj >>> > >>> > -------------- next part -------------- >>> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> > Name: test-file.gnucash >>> > Type: application/x-gnucash >>> > Size: 10338 bytes >>> > Desc: not available >>> > URL: >>> > < >>> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/attachments/20211002/4d9fdfdc/attachment.bin >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Subject: Digest Footer >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> > gnucash-user mailing list >>> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> > ----- >>> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------ >>> > >>> > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 6 >>> > ******************************************** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> > From mahon.finbar at neuf.fr Mon Oct 4 09:21:05 2021 From: mahon.finbar at neuf.fr (Mahon Finbar) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 15:21:05 +0200 Subject: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 222, Issue 51 In-Reply-To: References: <8BA9D2DF-1972-4697-9579-40D42F681715@gmail.com> <35DEA096-7501-4FC3-A2F2-1FA1D4E805CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <09d65f6a-35fe-6f43-75d7-a39dd3367976@neuf.fr> Agreed wholeheartedly. Is it not time that there would be some way of sorting of the messages. There is no doubt that the gnucash-user service is fantastic when you have an issue but it gets a little tedious when the inbox is clogged with strings of messages from the cognoscenti about rather obscure anomalies. Just a thought. On 01/10/2021 03:08, Stan Brown wrote: > May I give a gentle reminder to everyone: "Re: [GNC] gnucash-user > Digest, Vol 222, Issue 51" is an absolutely terrible subject line. > > Please, for the sake of everyone on the list, use a subject line that > describes the actual subject. There are a lot of messages on this list, > and it's a significant time-saver if we can use the subject line to > decide whether to open a message or delete it unread. > > Thanks! > From alspachde at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 11:16:54 2021 From: alspachde at gmail.com (Dale Alspach) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:16:54 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> <94e8bf91-85a2-41a6-b118-8b35a2a4f035@yahoo.com> Message-ID: An explanation of the *conversion process* used by Amazon for kindle is given here https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200634390. Note that MOBI is not supported for new documents. Dale On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:32 PM A Harvey wrote: > Addressing the messages in reverse order. > I should have been more precise. All my comments have assumed the user has > an Kindle e-reader, i.e. "Kindle", "Kindle Paperwhite" or "Kindle Oasis". > I thought the "Kindle Fire" was or is a tablet, not just an e-reader. I > know very little about the Fire. I think it has a color display and does > stuff one might expect a tablet to do including download and run apps. > > With respect to how to get documents onto a Kindle, either of the methods I > briefly described will work for any format supported by the Kindle. I have > a bunch of books I bought from a non-Amazon site that lets one download a > purchased book in multiple formats. This site offers PDF, ePub and MOBI. > I uploaded books in all 3 formats (including ePub) from my PC to my Amazon > account by emailing the books, as attachments, to the email address > supplied by Amazon for that purpose. My Kindle will display all of these > in the list of documents for my personal library. WiFi connection > required, of course. If I want to read them, I can download them from my > library at Amazon to my Kindle device over the network. They remain stored > on the device until I decide to remove them. I can read the PDF version, > with some pain as I mentioned. I can read the MOBI version without any > trouble. If I try to read the ePub, I get an error essentially telling me > it can't decipher that. > > I have also loaded various format docs from my PC to my Kindle via a USB > cable. I find the email method to be much easier and faster than > connecting the device to my PC. Also, I can load the books from my library > to the Android Kindle app and to the Windows app in the same way as I do > for the Kindle device. > > With respect to handling HTML as a document, it works fine if there is only > a *single* HTML file with no other files required. I don't think this > would work very well for the GNC documentation if it requires any other > files of any type including HTML or a directory structure. I think > Amazon has a section on its web site with information for authors. I have > not looked at this and don't know if it has suggestions that would help for > the GNC documentation. > > Regarding Amazon dropping MOBI, I hadn't heard about Amazon dropping MOBI > support from their readers. There would be a large number of pissed-off > people who bought content from Amazon in MOBI years ago. I'm guessing they > require any new books that are sold through Amazon to be one of the AZW > formats as I think they have better formatting capabilities and make it > harder to remove DRM. I haven't investigated that carefully so don't quote > me. > > I tried the link from flywire > https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html > in the "Experimental Browser" (I'm thinking that the browser has been > around maybe 10 or more years. An endless experiment). I was happy that > it loaded more quickly than I expected. Most of my time was spent trying > to correctly type the url. Using links to navigate worked fine. One must > remember that the Kindle display is black and white only so everything is > grayscale. Also, it has the same size issue as does PDF. The entire page > is loaded and the only way to enlarge text is by zooming in. No reflow of > that document. > > I also loaded a single HTML document to the device and displayed it as I > would any other book . It works fine. Text reflows and it follows links to > locations that are within the document. > > Hope some of this information proves useful. > -Arthur > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:24 PM D. wrote: > > > The app question depends on the type of Kindle you're using. The Fire has > > supported apps in the past, but more bare bones Kindles don't. > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* A Harvey > > *Sent:* Sun Oct 03 15:30:50 EDT 2021 > > *To:* "D." > > *Cc:* flywire , Gnucash Users > > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue > > > > Flywire and D. > > Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them tonight and report back. > > > > The Kindle has what Amazon calls the "Experimental Browser". I have > tried > > it a few times in the past just to see what it's like. What it's like is > > pouring molasses, but it works. I will try entering the link in the > Kindle > > browser. I will also try to display an HTML document loaded to my Kindle > > to compare the speed. I assume that would be much faster. To get an HTML > > document to a Kindle, I either have to email it to an address that is > > unique to my account which will store it with the rest of my docs on an > > Amazon server, or plug my Kindle into a PC and copy the document from the > > PC to the Kindle. > > > > With respect to downloading an app, I don't think the Kindle supports > apps > > of any kind. I should say I have never seen any downloadable apps on > Amazon > > or on the web. I have seen a few grumbles about Kindle not having > > downloadable games. > > -Arthur > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:29 AM D. via gnucash-user < > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > > > >> If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could install > >> an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. > >> > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> From: flywire < flywire0 at gmail.com> > >> Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 > >> To: Gnucash Users < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> > >> Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue > >> > >> Arthur, that's a nice summary of a > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document > >> > >> The issue has been raised and > >> https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was > >> offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From bsoffer at soffer-law.com Mon Oct 4 13:10:20 2021 From: bsoffer at soffer-law.com (Benjamin Soffer) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:10:20 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" Message-ID: Hello, I am using version 3.8 for Windows. When I set the invoice "due" period in the Billing Terms Editor (for example 15 days), the system does not "remember" this setting when I post a new invoice. The due date remains the same as the post date, by default. Any suggestions? Ben From jralls at ceridwen.us Mon Oct 4 15:01:58 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 12:01:58 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> <94e8bf91-85a2-41a6-b118-8b35a2a4f035@yahoo.com> Message-ID: That seems to be about the formats that are accepted through their KDP publishing service, not the readers themselves, and that if one wants one's book to be usable on e-ink Kindles like Arthur's the choices are now plain text or PDF. We don't use that service so it's a bit irrelevant, isn't it? Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 4, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Dale Alspach wrote: > > An explanation of the *conversion process* used by Amazon for kindle is > given here https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200634390. > Note that MOBI is not supported for new documents. > > Dale > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:32 PM A Harvey wrote: > >> Addressing the messages in reverse order. >> I should have been more precise. All my comments have assumed the user has >> an Kindle e-reader, i.e. "Kindle", "Kindle Paperwhite" or "Kindle Oasis". >> I thought the "Kindle Fire" was or is a tablet, not just an e-reader. I >> know very little about the Fire. I think it has a color display and does >> stuff one might expect a tablet to do including download and run apps. >> >> With respect to how to get documents onto a Kindle, either of the methods I >> briefly described will work for any format supported by the Kindle. I have >> a bunch of books I bought from a non-Amazon site that lets one download a >> purchased book in multiple formats. This site offers PDF, ePub and MOBI. >> I uploaded books in all 3 formats (including ePub) from my PC to my Amazon >> account by emailing the books, as attachments, to the email address >> supplied by Amazon for that purpose. My Kindle will display all of these >> in the list of documents for my personal library. WiFi connection >> required, of course. If I want to read them, I can download them from my >> library at Amazon to my Kindle device over the network. They remain stored >> on the device until I decide to remove them. I can read the PDF version, >> with some pain as I mentioned. I can read the MOBI version without any >> trouble. If I try to read the ePub, I get an error essentially telling me >> it can't decipher that. >> >> I have also loaded various format docs from my PC to my Kindle via a USB >> cable. I find the email method to be much easier and faster than >> connecting the device to my PC. Also, I can load the books from my library >> to the Android Kindle app and to the Windows app in the same way as I do >> for the Kindle device. >> >> With respect to handling HTML as a document, it works fine if there is only >> a *single* HTML file with no other files required. I don't think this >> would work very well for the GNC documentation if it requires any other >> files of any type including HTML or a directory structure. I think >> Amazon has a section on its web site with information for authors. I have >> not looked at this and don't know if it has suggestions that would help for >> the GNC documentation. >> >> Regarding Amazon dropping MOBI, I hadn't heard about Amazon dropping MOBI >> support from their readers. There would be a large number of pissed-off >> people who bought content from Amazon in MOBI years ago. I'm guessing they >> require any new books that are sold through Amazon to be one of the AZW >> formats as I think they have better formatting capabilities and make it >> harder to remove DRM. I haven't investigated that carefully so don't quote >> me. >> >> I tried the link from flywire >> https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html >> in the "Experimental Browser" (I'm thinking that the browser has been >> around maybe 10 or more years. An endless experiment). I was happy that >> it loaded more quickly than I expected. Most of my time was spent trying >> to correctly type the url. Using links to navigate worked fine. One must >> remember that the Kindle display is black and white only so everything is >> grayscale. Also, it has the same size issue as does PDF. The entire page >> is loaded and the only way to enlarge text is by zooming in. No reflow of >> that document. >> >> I also loaded a single HTML document to the device and displayed it as I >> would any other book . It works fine. Text reflows and it follows links to >> locations that are within the document. >> >> Hope some of this information proves useful. >> -Arthur >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:24 PM D. wrote: >> >>> The app question depends on the type of Kindle you're using. The Fire has >>> supported apps in the past, but more bare bones Kindles don't. >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* A Harvey >>> *Sent:* Sun Oct 03 15:30:50 EDT 2021 >>> *To:* "D." >>> *Cc:* flywire , Gnucash Users >>> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue >>> >>> Flywire and D. >>> Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them tonight and report back. >>> >>> The Kindle has what Amazon calls the "Experimental Browser". I have >> tried >>> it a few times in the past just to see what it's like. What it's like is >>> pouring molasses, but it works. I will try entering the link in the >> Kindle >>> browser. I will also try to display an HTML document loaded to my Kindle >>> to compare the speed. I assume that would be much faster. To get an HTML >>> document to a Kindle, I either have to email it to an address that is >>> unique to my account which will store it with the rest of my docs on an >>> Amazon server, or plug my Kindle into a PC and copy the document from the >>> PC to the Kindle. >>> >>> With respect to downloading an app, I don't think the Kindle supports >> apps >>> of any kind. I should say I have never seen any downloadable apps on >> Amazon >>> or on the web. I have seen a few grumbles about Kindle not having >>> downloadable games. >>> -Arthur >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:29 AM D. via gnucash-user < >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: >>> >>>> If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could install >>>> an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> From: flywire < flywire0 at gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 >>>> To: Gnucash Users < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> >>>> Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue >>>> >>>> Arthur, that's a nice summary of a >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document >>>> >>>> The issue has been raised and >>>> https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was >>>> offered as a format. 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From jralls at ceridwen.us Mon Oct 4 15:07:14 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 12:07:14 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <17c489ce3f0.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> Message-ID: <5A9858EA-4B86-4A43-B00E-AFD73E299271@ceridwen.us> Sure, it will help me not forget. Do a good search first to make sure there isn't one already. If you find one put a comment on it that it's still a problem with 4.8. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 4, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > > Everyone, > > Should I open a bug report? I would think that looking at an incorrect > register would be deemed a bug and not a feature request. > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:03 PM Christina Martin > wrote: > >> I agree Glenn. It used to do so. >> >> Regards, >> Christina >> >> *Christina Martin* >> Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. >> >> On 4 October 2021 1:27:12 am Glenn Fowler wrote: >> >>> Hi Christina, >>> >>> What you described is the same issue. The only difference is I am >>> pressing and you are closing and reopening the register for the >>> scheduled transactions to appear. >>> >>> The expected behaviour should be for the scheduled transactions to appear >>> without user input in the register. >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:17 PM Christina Martin < >>> christina at airgeadstudio.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I have a similar problem, although I haven't tried entering a blank txn. >>>> Another user reported something similar back in February and I tried to >>>> add >>>> my $0.02 worth at the time, but two messages I sent didn't get through. >>>> >>>> In a nutshell, I save the registry, close and reopen it and the txns >>>> show up. >>>> >>>> Below is a copy of the information I tried to send in Feb, setting out >>>> the >>>> testing I had done. >>>> >>>> "I tried to send this response to the list 2 days ago, but I haven't >>>> seen >>>> it come in on the digest, so I must have done something wrong. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I finally had time to sit down and do some testing and I'm covering >>>> things >>>> raised and suggested in a variety of digests up to Wed 10/2. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This odd behaviour started when I was using the previous version, and I >>>> hoped that the upgrade to the 4.x series would fix it. I *think* I was >>>> still on 2.x when I upgraded last year, but I can't be certain of that >>>> (the >>>> manual update process means I tend to leave it for a while). For a >>>> variety >>>> of reasons that I don't wish to get into now, I decided to start a new >>>> file >>>> for the start of the Australian financial year on 1 July 2020. I can't >>>> remember exactly what I did except that it involved a blank copy of the >>>> original account tree. I then manually created all my scheduled >>>> transactions to match the original file. I don't know if that means that >>>> I've somehow imported an old error. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm running GC 4.2 (build 4.2+(2020-09-26) on Windows 10 Home 64 bit OS >>>> (build 19041.746). The only filters I have set are to hide reconciled >>>> txns >>>> in each register, and the financial year for Australia. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The first thing I've noticed is that I don't need to fully close GC to >>>> get >>>> the scheduled txns to display - closing and reopening the account is >>>> sufficient. I tend to keep all 4 personal accounts open all the time >>>> inside >>>> GC, so I guess I'd potentially have to close and reopen all 4, in which >>>> case, closing and reopening the entire file is easier. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have created a new scheduled txn from a dummy txn in my register. I >>>> left >>>> "Notify me when created ticked". I saved the file and then ran Actions >>>> -> >>>> Scheduled Txns -> Since Last Run... I cancelled the Since Last Run >>>> window >>>> that popped up. The txns did not display until I closed and reopened the >>>> account register although I could see that the balance in the register >>>> changed where the next txn should be showing up. When I click on OK at >>>> the >>>> Since Last Run window, the full details of the scheduled txns >>>> immediately >>>> show up in the register. If I click on the "Review Created Transactions" >>>> check box in the Since Last Run... window and click on OK, the two txns >>>> that should show up open in a new register window titled Created >>>> Transactions *and* I can see them immediately in the account register. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Carlson mentioned that he didn't know what I meant by GC telling >>>> me >>>> on start up how many scheduled txns it had created. My scheduled txns >>>> are >>>> *always* set to be Enabled (ticked) Create automatically (ticked) Create >>>> in >>>> advance 14 days ticked. I always disable Notify me when created (as I >>>> hadn't noticed until today that was an option to turn off in Edit -> >>>> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions - in my defence, I last edited >>>> them >>>> several years ago). I created a new scheduled txn according to these >>>> parameters and I get a pop-up window on start up that says: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "There are no Scheduled Transactions to be entered at this time. (2 >>>> transactions automatically created) -> Close" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The txns will change the balance in the register, but the actual detail >>>> won't display until the account is closed and reopened. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If I have "Notify me when created" checked, I get the Since Last Run >>>> window >>>> instead. All of my 30+ scheduled txns do *not* have this enabled - I do >>>> not >>>> need to be told what they are on start up, I just need them to show up >>>> in >>>> the register - and I have run it this way since very early on in using >>>> GC, >>>> it must be at least 10 years. The problem I'm seeing started some time >>>> in >>>> 2019 (or at the very latest, very early 2020). I'm vague about exactly >>>> when >>>> because it took a while to be certain I was seeing a consistent issue >>>> and >>>> not imagining it (since they eventually displayed). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The last thing I tried was to turn off "Notify before transactions are >>>> created" in Edit -> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions. I then went >>>> through the steps of creating and running a new scheduled txn only to >>>> find >>>> the same problem that the register balance changes, but the detail >>>> doesn't >>>> display until the account is closed and reopened. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It definitely seems that whether or not the Notification is set to show >>>> or >>>> not is key to the issue, but I have to reiterate that I didn't change >>>> how I >>>> handled my scheduled txns when I first started seeing it. I'm not sure >>>> what >>>> the next step here is." >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Christina >>>> >>>> Christina Martin >>>> Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3 October 2021 11:23:42 am gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: >>>> >>>>> Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >>>>> 2. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) >>>>> 3. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) >>>>> 4. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >>>>> 5. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) >>>>> 6. Re: Making the leap to latest (Michael or Penny Novack) >>>>> 7. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register >>>>> until is pressed (Robin Chattopadhyay) >>>>> 8. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register >>>>> until is pressed (Glenn Fowler) >>>>> 9. Re: OFX Import with Investment Transactions (Robin Chattopadhyay) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:40 -0400 >>>>> From: Derek Atkins >>>>> To: AC , GnuCash users group >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >>>>> >>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>>> >>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>>> >>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>>> don't fix >>>>> it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>>> system, >>>>> it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>>> >>>>> -derek >>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date >>>> that >>>>>> I can see. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>>> transaction >>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still >>>> work >>>>>> the same way? >>>>>> >>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>>>> update? >>>>>> >>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully >>>> not >>>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:11:39 -0700 >>>>> From: AC >>>>> To: Derek Atkins , GnuCash users group >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>>>> >>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>>>> >>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>>>> >>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>>>> >>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>>>> >>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>>> don't >>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>>>> >>>>>> -derek >>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date >>>> that >>>>>>> I can see. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>>> and >>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for >>>> standard >>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>>> transaction >>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>>> transactions, >>>>>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still >>>> work >>>>>>> the same way? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be >>>> to >>>>>>> update? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>>> and >>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully >>>> not >>>>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:18:19 -0700 >>>>> From: AC >>>>> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>>>> >>>>> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a >>>>> version without having to go through a complete installation on Windows >>>>> and without disturbing the existing installation? >>>>> >>>>> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone >>>> with >>>>> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the >>>> full >>>>> install. >>>>> >>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>>>>> >>>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>>> don't >>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild >>>> your >>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -derek >>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date >>>> that >>>>>>>> I can see. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>>> and >>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for >>>> standard >>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>>> transaction >>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>>> transactions, >>>>>>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still >>>> work >>>>>>>> the same way? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be >>>> to >>>>>>>> update? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>>> and >>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need >>>> (hopefully not >>>>>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 4 >>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400 >>>>> From: Derek Atkins >>>>> To: AC , GnuCash users group >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >>>>> >>>>> Basic features are all the same. >>>>> Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to >>>>> manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade. And you may >>>> lose >>>>> saved reports. >>>>> >>>>> -derek >>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>> On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>>>>> >>>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >>>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>>> don't >>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild >>>> your >>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -derek >>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date >>>> that >>>>>>>> I can see. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>>> and >>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for >>>> standard >>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>>> transaction >>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>>> transactions, >>>>>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still >>>> work >>>>>>>> the same way? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be >>>> to >>>>>>>> update? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>>> and >>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need >>>> (hopefully not >>>>>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 5 >>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400 >>>>> From: Derek Atkins >>>>> To: AC , >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" >>>>> >>>>> No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple >>>> versions >>>>> installed. >>>>> >>>>> -derek >>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>> On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a >>>>>> version without having to go through a complete installation on >>>> Windows >>>>>> and without disturbing the existing installation? >>>>>> >>>>>> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone >>>> with >>>>>> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the >>>> full >>>>>> install. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: >>>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely >>>> be >>>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >>>>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? >>>> I'm >>>>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >>>>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus >>>> far). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, >>>> don't >>>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild >>>> your >>>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -derek >>>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date >>>> that >>>>>>>>> I can see. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x >>>> and >>>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for >>>> standard >>>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard >>>> transaction >>>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online >>>> transactions, >>>>>>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still >>>> work >>>>>>>>> the same way? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it >>>> be to >>>>>>>>> update? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments >>>> and >>>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need >>>> (hopefully not >>>>>>>>> one for every point version)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 6 >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400 >>>>> From: Michael or Penny Novack >>>>> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest >>>>> Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb at comcast.net> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: >>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >>>>> a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR easier >>>>> to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your >>>>> current gnucash version available for installation o? the new machine, >>>>> best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current >>>> version >>>>> you will have available for installing on the new machine. >>>>> >>>>> b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your data >>>>> (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is >>>>> relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new >>>>> machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same user >>>>> data structure. >>>>> >>>>> c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form >>>>> backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the >>>>> application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. >>>>> >>>>> Michael D Novack >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 7 >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500 >>>>> From: Robin Chattopadhyay >>>>> To: john >>>>> Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the >>>>> register until is pressed >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>> >>>>> I interpreted the question differently. >>>>> >>>>> If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the >>>>> register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions >>>> until >>>>> you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's >>>> the >>>>> experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. >>>>> >>>>> Robin >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in >>>> settings >>>>>>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do >>>> run as >>>>>>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>>>>>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >>>>>> until >>>>>>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for >>>> them >>>>>> to >>>>>>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books >>>> instead >>>>>> of >>>>>>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the >>>> Overview >>>>>> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> John Ralls >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 8 >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:32:15 -0400 >>>>> From: Glenn Fowler >>>>> To: john >>>>> Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the >>>>> register until is pressed >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> < >>>> SJ0PR19MB444552A7EC1F1DEA3764FB8F8FAC9 at SJ0PR19MB4445.namprd19.prod.outlook.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>> >>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >>>>> I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled >>>> transactions do >>>>> create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened >>>> after >>>>> the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until >>>> you >>>>> press which can create issues because you are looking at an >>>>> out-of-date register. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in >>>> settings >>>>>>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do >>>> run as >>>>>>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . >>>>>>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date register >>>>>> until >>>>>>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for >>>> them >>>>>> to >>>>>>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books >>>> instead >>>>>> of >>>>>>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the >>>> Overview >>>>>> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> John Ralls >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 9 >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:19:42 -0500 >>>>> From: Robin Chattopadhyay >>>>> To: Gnucash Users >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>> >>>>> Hi Jean- >>>>> >>>>> I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. >>>>> >>>>> As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there >>>> were no >>>>> additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. >>>>> >>>>> There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are >>>> also >>>>> in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't >>>> allow you >>>>> to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other >>>> quarter'. >>>>> >>>>> I tried something else to research... >>>>> >>>>> Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from >>>> Sep. >>>>> 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with >>>> one >>>>> matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I >>>> then >>>>> attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 >>>> transactions >>>>> -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new >>>> transactions >>>>> dated 9/24. >>>>> >>>>> The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are >>>> two >>>>> transactions in the most recent file for this account; however they're >>>>> already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file >>>>> /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 >>>>> transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense as >>>>> those are older transactions that are already in the database. I >>>> clicked >>>>> 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main >>>> application. >>>>> It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no >>>> new >>>>> transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look >>>> at the >>>>> subsequent accounts. >>>>> >>>>> In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I created >>>> and >>>>> the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there are >>>>> limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not negatively >>>>> affect the import process. >>>>> >>>>> Something else that I just noticed... >>>>> >>>>> If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account >>>>> registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close >>>> and >>>>> re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when you >>>>> re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows up >>>>>> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the dialog >>>>>> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if >>>> there >>>>>> are many different securities, so we may want to change that behavior. >>>>>> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX file >>>>>> had transfers between accounts. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see two issues here: >>>>>> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see >>>>>> comment above) >>>>>> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply >>>> ignored. >>>>>> >>>>>> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first >>>>>> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you >>>> just >>>>>> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior of >>>>>> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together >>>> as >>>>>> before) >>>>>> >>>>>> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing else >>>>>> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for >>>> the >>>>>> imported transactions were already present in the target account. This >>>>>> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously >>>> imported >>>>>> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems >>>>>> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported >>>>>> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account >>>>>> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with the >>>>>> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. >>>>>> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank >>>> account >>>>>> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions >>>>>> already exist in your target account. >>>>>> >>>>>> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making >>>> sure >>>>>> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or not? >>>>>> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new imported >>>>>> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously imported >>>>>> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not >>>> imported >>>>>> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account >>>>>> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a regular >>>>>> editor) whether that FITID exists. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jean >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: >>>>>>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) >>>>>>> Gnucash 4.8 >>>>>>> libofx 0.9.15 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and >>>> I >>>>> got >>>>>>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single >>>>>>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to >>>>> process. >>>>>>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine >>>>> securities >>>>>>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been >>>>> imported >>>>>>> previously). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of >>>>> course): >>>>>>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for >>>>> this >>>>>>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the >>>>> file >>>>>>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX >>>> file >>>>>>> again, I had the same experience as described above >>>>>>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. >>>> Through >>>>>>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, >>>> nothing >>>>>>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped >>>>> up, >>>>>>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >>>>>>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the >>>>> generic >>>>>>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with >>>> transactions >>>>> for >>>>>>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the >>>> process >>>>> for >>>>>>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >>>>>>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a >>>>> single >>>>>>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >>>>>>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >>>>>>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >>>>>>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I >>>>> would >>>>>>> try anyway. >>>>>>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new >>>>> transactions >>>>>>> in a single dialog >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >>>>>>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong >>>>> and I >>>>>>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >>>>>>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Robin >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: robin.qfx >>>>> Type: application/octet-stream >>>>> Size: 56427 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> < >>>> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/attachments/20211002/4d9fdfdc/attachment.obj >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: test-file.gnucash >>>>> Type: application/x-gnucash >>>>> Size: 10338 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> < >>>> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/attachments/20211002/4d9fdfdc/attachment.bin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>>> ----- >>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 6 >>>>> ******************************************** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From txtinman at yahoo.com Mon Oct 4 15:43:30 2021 From: txtinman at yahoo.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:43:30 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Searching issues In-Reply-To: References: <71242e7c-73af-a255-8253-114e4fbce886@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <75d4be26-7c60-89f5-7763-6fa61e3af05f@yahoo.com> I can't think of anything different I've done. I use Cinnamon as my DE. I have installed new kernels as they have arrived in my Update Manager, but I don't remember if my current problem coincided with a new kernel install. Mike On 10/3/21 10:18 AM, David Carlson wrote: > It seems odd that a distro release 3.8 would change in Linux Mint when > it does not in other linux flavors. ?Have you changed desktops or ?? > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 10:04 AM Mike via gnucash-user > > wrote: > > My distribution is behind on updates as usual. I think I can get 4.0 > with the Flatpak version. I would rather use an Appimage, but I don't > think there is one. > > Mike > > On 10/3/21 9:22 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I believe the more robust type-ahead search was added on v4 so have > > you tried updating from v3.8 from 12/2019? > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 10:00 AM Mike via gnucash-user > > > >> wrote: > > > >? ? ?I'm using GNC v3.8 on Linux Mint 20.2. Until recently while > >? ? ?entering a > >? ? ?transaction as I began typing in the account field GNC would > begin > >? ? ?searching for the matching entry. For instance when I began > typing > >? ? ?sal... the entries with sal in them (sales:tax) would appear > and I > >? ? ?could > >? ? ?click on the entry I wanted. That no longer happens and I cannot > >? ? ?find a > >? ? ?setting to correct it. Any ideas on how to get this back? > > > >? ? ?Mike > >? ? ?_______________________________________________ > >? ? ?gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > >? ? ?To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > >? ? ? > > >? ? ?If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > >? ? ? > for more information. > >? ? ?----- > >? ? ?Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >? ? ?You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gah1178 at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 16:53:40 2021 From: gah1178 at gmail.com (A Harvey) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 16:53:40 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue In-Reply-To: References: <623be5fd-9120-4058-8a6b-ab1290283baa@yahoo.com> <94e8bf91-85a2-41a6-b118-8b35a2a4f035@yahoo.com> Message-ID: A Harvey 4:49 PM (1 minute ago) to john All, I have a couple of questions. 1) Do you think it is important that the documentation be easily readable on a Kindle e-reader? If not, then no problem. 2) Do the documents need to be published on Amazon? If not, then I would think that a MOBI version of the documentation created by the GNC team would work on a Kindle. I buy books that are not published on Amazon, that are in MOBI format (and have no DRM protection) and they work fine on my Kindle (e.g. https://www.ebooksbridge.com/}. I think the only relevance of Amazon dropping MOBI for authors wanting to sell new books through Amazon is that they cannot submit them to Amazon in MOBI format unless there is no reflow needed. I don't see how Amazon can afford to drop MOBI support from the Kindle e-readers in the near future, if ever, because they have sold tons (metaphorically speaking) of books *with DRM protection* in MOBI format to customers. If the Kindle stops supporting MOBI, those books can never be read again because the DRM will only let them be read on a Kindle device or app that is registered to that user's account. If Amazon wanted to try to put pressure on other e-book vendors by not supporting books that have no DRM protection, Amazon would only hurt themselves as there are plenty of free apps that support MOBI books without DRM. Amazon would be giving potential customers a reason not to buy a Kindle and not to buy e-books from Amazon because they could drop support for other formats from their e-readers in the future. Thanks, -Arthur On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:02 PM john wrote: > That seems to be about the formats that are accepted through their KDP > publishing service, not the readers themselves, and that if one wants one's > book to be usable on e-ink Kindles like Arthur's the choices are now plain > text or PDF. > > We don't use that service so it's a bit irrelevant, isn't it? > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > On Oct 4, 2021, at 8:16 AM, Dale Alspach wrote: > > > > An explanation of the *conversion process* used by Amazon for kindle is > > given here https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200634390. > > Note that MOBI is not supported for new documents. > > > > Dale > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:32 PM A Harvey wrote: > > > >> Addressing the messages in reverse order. > >> I should have been more precise. All my comments have assumed the user > has > >> an Kindle e-reader, i.e. "Kindle", "Kindle Paperwhite" or "Kindle > Oasis". > >> I thought the "Kindle Fire" was or is a tablet, not just an e-reader. I > >> know very little about the Fire. I think it has a color display and > does > >> stuff one might expect a tablet to do including download and run apps. > >> > >> With respect to how to get documents onto a Kindle, either of the > methods I > >> briefly described will work for any format supported by the Kindle. I > have > >> a bunch of books I bought from a non-Amazon site that lets one download > a > >> purchased book in multiple formats. This site offers PDF, ePub and > MOBI. > >> I uploaded books in all 3 formats (including ePub) from my PC to my > Amazon > >> account by emailing the books, as attachments, to the email address > >> supplied by Amazon for that purpose. My Kindle will display all of > these > >> in the list of documents for my personal library. WiFi connection > >> required, of course. If I want to read them, I can download them from my > >> library at Amazon to my Kindle device over the network. They remain > stored > >> on the device until I decide to remove them. I can read the PDF > version, > >> with some pain as I mentioned. I can read the MOBI version without any > >> trouble. If I try to read the ePub, I get an error essentially telling > me > >> it can't decipher that. > >> > >> I have also loaded various format docs from my PC to my Kindle via a USB > >> cable. I find the email method to be much easier and faster than > >> connecting the device to my PC. Also, I can load the books from my > library > >> to the Android Kindle app and to the Windows app in the same way as I do > >> for the Kindle device. > >> > >> With respect to handling HTML as a document, it works fine if there is > only > >> a *single* HTML file with no other files required. I don't think this > >> would work very well for the GNC documentation if it requires any other > >> files of any type including HTML or a directory structure. I think > >> Amazon has a section on its web site with information for authors. I > have > >> not looked at this and don't know if it has suggestions that would help > for > >> the GNC documentation. > >> > >> Regarding Amazon dropping MOBI, I hadn't heard about Amazon dropping > MOBI > >> support from their readers. There would be a large number of pissed-off > >> people who bought content from Amazon in MOBI years ago. I'm guessing > they > >> require any new books that are sold through Amazon to be one of the AZW > >> formats as I think they have better formatting capabilities and make it > >> harder to remove DRM. I haven't investigated that carefully so don't > quote > >> me. > >> > >> I tried the link from flywire > >> https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html > >> in the "Experimental Browser" (I'm thinking that the browser has been > >> around maybe 10 or more years. An endless experiment). I was happy > that > >> it loaded more quickly than I expected. Most of my time was spent > trying > >> to correctly type the url. Using links to navigate worked fine. One > must > >> remember that the Kindle display is black and white only so everything > is > >> grayscale. Also, it has the same size issue as does PDF. The entire > page > >> is loaded and the only way to enlarge text is by zooming in. No reflow > of > >> that document. > >> > >> I also loaded a single HTML document to the device and displayed it as I > >> would any other book . It works fine. Text reflows and it follows links > to > >> locations that are within the document. > >> > >> Hope some of this information proves useful. > >> -Arthur > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:24 PM D. wrote: > >> > >>> The app question depends on the type of Kindle you're using. The Fire > has > >>> supported apps in the past, but more bare bones Kindles don't. > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> *From:* A Harvey > >>> *Sent:* Sun Oct 03 15:30:50 EDT 2021 > >>> *To:* "D." > >>> *Cc:* flywire , Gnucash Users > >>> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue > >>> > >>> Flywire and D. > >>> Thanks for the suggestions. I will try them tonight and report back. > >>> > >>> The Kindle has what Amazon calls the "Experimental Browser". I have > >> tried > >>> it a few times in the past just to see what it's like. What it's like > is > >>> pouring molasses, but it works. I will try entering the link in the > >> Kindle > >>> browser. I will also try to display an HTML document loaded to my > Kindle > >>> to compare the speed. I assume that would be much faster. To get an > HTML > >>> document to a Kindle, I either have to email it to an address that is > >>> unique to my account which will store it with the rest of my docs on an > >>> Amazon server, or plug my Kindle into a PC and copy the document from > the > >>> PC to the Kindle. > >>> > >>> With respect to downloading an app, I don't think the Kindle supports > >> apps > >>> of any kind. I should say I have never seen any downloadable apps on > >> Amazon > >>> or on the web. I have seen a few grumbles about Kindle not having > >>> downloadable games. > >>> -Arthur > >>> > >>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:29 AM D. via gnucash-user < > >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> If Arthur can load the html in your link on his Kindle, he could > install > >>>> an epub app (such as Overdrive) and get his flow going using that. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------- Original Message -------- > >>>> From: flywire < flywire0 at gmail.com> > >>>> Sent: Sun Oct 03 07:25:44 EDT 2021 > >>>> To: Gnucash Users < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> > >>>> Subject: [GNC] Build 4.8 docs issue > >>>> > >>>> Arthur, that's a nice summary of a > >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflowable_document > >>>> > >>>> The issue has been raised and > >>>> https://gnucash-docs-rst.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html was > >>>> offered as a format. Does it work on a Kindle? > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>> ----- > >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>> ----- > >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gnucash-user mailing list > >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >> ----- > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From kdahlke at gmx.de Mon Oct 4 17:06:13 2021 From: kdahlke at gmx.de (Klaus Dahlke) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 23:06:13 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config Message-ID: <20211004230613.c1c2218ec662346deca57be2@gmx.de> Hi, I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. ninja ninja install All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: no book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register etc are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres database. The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, date format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, date format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and feel was exactly the same as right after compile. I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by the above method and all works fine again. Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing a bug? Thanks Klaus From hellvee at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 17:13:09 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 07:13:09 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <20211004230613.c1c2218ec662346deca57be2@gmx.de> References: <20211004230613.c1c2218ec662346deca57be2@gmx.de> Message-ID: Klaus, This from the release notes may be relevant ? On Windows after installing 4.7 I had a couple of windows flash up quickly, to quickly to read what they said and then a new blank Gnucash file opened. I had to use file open to open my usual xml Gnucash file.... The GnuCash development team announces GnuCash 4.7, the eighth release in the stable 4.x series Compatibility Notice In order to allow flatpak users to share preferences with installations outside of the sandbox we need to change the preference path from /org/gnucash to /org/gnucash/GnuCash. This release of GnuCash does that and it will automatically migrate existing preferences. It does not, however, continue to write preferences to the old path and it runs the migration only once. If you go back and forth between GnuCash 4.7 and an older versions you'll have two sets of preferences, one for GnuCash 4.7 and later and another for GnuCash 4.6 and earlier. This includes the file history list and last-opened file. Cheers David H. On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 07:07, Klaus Dahlke wrote: > Hi, > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > ninja > ninja install > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > no book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > etc are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > database. The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was > USD, date format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of > Preferences as setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, > currency to Er, date format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, > none of the preference settings where save. The warning message and teh > look and feel was exactly the same as right after compile. > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > the above method and all works fine again. > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing a > bug? > > Thanks > Klaus > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From hellvee at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 17:18:35 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 07:18:35 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: <5A9858EA-4B86-4A43-B00E-AFD73E299271@ceridwen.us> References: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <17c489ce3f0.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <5A9858EA-4B86-4A43-B00E-AFD73E299271@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: I'm not seeing any of this I don't think on MacOS, Win 10 Pro and Ubuntu Linux. I get the "Since last run" window popping up as expected and just click OK and my txns seem to be in the register, although I generally have to scroll down to see them as I create them 60 days in advance so maybe this triggers it for me? The only thing I'm not sure about is what the difference is between clicking Cancel and clicking OK on the popup as I get the txns regardless :-) Cheers David H. On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 05:08, john wrote: > Sure, it will help me not forget. Do a good search first to make sure > there isn't one already. If you find one put a comment on it that it's > still a problem with 4.8. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > > On Oct 4, 2021, at 6:34 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote: > > > > Everyone, > > > > Should I open a bug report? I would think that looking at an incorrect > > register would be deemed a bug and not a feature request. > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:03 PM Christina Martin < > christina at airgeadstudio.net> > > wrote: > > > >> I agree Glenn. It used to do so. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Christina > >> > >> *Christina Martin* > >> Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. > >> > >> On 4 October 2021 1:27:12 am Glenn Fowler wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Christina, > >>> > >>> What you described is the same issue. The only difference is I am > >>> pressing and you are closing and reopening the register for the > >>> scheduled transactions to appear. > >>> > >>> The expected behaviour should be for the scheduled transactions to > appear > >>> without user input in the register. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:17 PM Christina Martin < > >>> christina at airgeadstudio.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I have a similar problem, although I haven't tried entering a blank > txn. > >>>> Another user reported something similar back in February and I tried > to > >>>> add > >>>> my $0.02 worth at the time, but two messages I sent didn't get > through. > >>>> > >>>> In a nutshell, I save the registry, close and reopen it and the txns > >>>> show up. > >>>> > >>>> Below is a copy of the information I tried to send in Feb, setting out > >>>> the > >>>> testing I had done. > >>>> > >>>> "I tried to send this response to the list 2 days ago, but I haven't > >>>> seen > >>>> it come in on the digest, so I must have done something wrong. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I finally had time to sit down and do some testing and I'm covering > >>>> things > >>>> raised and suggested in a variety of digests up to Wed 10/2. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This odd behaviour started when I was using the previous version, and > I > >>>> hoped that the upgrade to the 4.x series would fix it. I *think* I was > >>>> still on 2.x when I upgraded last year, but I can't be certain of that > >>>> (the > >>>> manual update process means I tend to leave it for a while). For a > >>>> variety > >>>> of reasons that I don't wish to get into now, I decided to start a new > >>>> file > >>>> for the start of the Australian financial year on 1 July 2020. I can't > >>>> remember exactly what I did except that it involved a blank copy of > the > >>>> original account tree. I then manually created all my scheduled > >>>> transactions to match the original file. I don't know if that means > that > >>>> I've somehow imported an old error. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I'm running GC 4.2 (build 4.2+(2020-09-26) on Windows 10 Home 64 bit > OS > >>>> (build 19041.746). The only filters I have set are to hide reconciled > >>>> txns > >>>> in each register, and the financial year for Australia. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The first thing I've noticed is that I don't need to fully close GC to > >>>> get > >>>> the scheduled txns to display - closing and reopening the account is > >>>> sufficient. I tend to keep all 4 personal accounts open all the time > >>>> inside > >>>> GC, so I guess I'd potentially have to close and reopen all 4, in > which > >>>> case, closing and reopening the entire file is easier. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I have created a new scheduled txn from a dummy txn in my register. I > >>>> left > >>>> "Notify me when created ticked". I saved the file and then ran Actions > >>>> -> > >>>> Scheduled Txns -> Since Last Run... I cancelled the Since Last Run > >>>> window > >>>> that popped up. The txns did not display until I closed and reopened > the > >>>> account register although I could see that the balance in the register > >>>> changed where the next txn should be showing up. When I click on OK at > >>>> the > >>>> Since Last Run window, the full details of the scheduled txns > >>>> immediately > >>>> show up in the register. If I click on the "Review Created > Transactions" > >>>> check box in the Since Last Run... window and click on OK, the two > txns > >>>> that should show up open in a new register window titled Created > >>>> Transactions *and* I can see them immediately in the account register. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> David Carlson mentioned that he didn't know what I meant by GC telling > >>>> me > >>>> on start up how many scheduled txns it had created. My scheduled txns > >>>> are > >>>> *always* set to be Enabled (ticked) Create automatically (ticked) > Create > >>>> in > >>>> advance 14 days ticked. I always disable Notify me when created (as I > >>>> hadn't noticed until today that was an option to turn off in Edit -> > >>>> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions - in my defence, I last edited > >>>> them > >>>> several years ago). I created a new scheduled txn according to these > >>>> parameters and I get a pop-up window on start up that says: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "There are no Scheduled Transactions to be entered at this time. (2 > >>>> transactions automatically created) -> Close" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The txns will change the balance in the register, but the actual > detail > >>>> won't display until the account is closed and reopened. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> If I have "Notify me when created" checked, I get the Since Last Run > >>>> window > >>>> instead. All of my 30+ scheduled txns do *not* have this enabled - I > do > >>>> not > >>>> need to be told what they are on start up, I just need them to show up > >>>> in > >>>> the register - and I have run it this way since very early on in using > >>>> GC, > >>>> it must be at least 10 years. The problem I'm seeing started some time > >>>> in > >>>> 2019 (or at the very latest, very early 2020). I'm vague about exactly > >>>> when > >>>> because it took a while to be certain I was seeing a consistent issue > >>>> and > >>>> not imagining it (since they eventually displayed). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The last thing I tried was to turn off "Notify before transactions are > >>>> created" in Edit -> Preferences -> Scheduled Transactions. I then went > >>>> through the steps of creating and running a new scheduled txn only to > >>>> find > >>>> the same problem that the register balance changes, but the detail > >>>> doesn't > >>>> display until the account is closed and reopened. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> It definitely seems that whether or not the Notification is set to > show > >>>> or > >>>> not is key to the issue, but I have to reiterate that I didn't change > >>>> how I > >>>> handled my scheduled txns when I first started seeing it. I'm not sure > >>>> what > >>>> the next step here is." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Christina > >>>> > >>>> Christina Martin > >>>> Sent from my device, please excuse any typo's. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3 October 2021 11:23:42 am gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to > >>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>> > >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>>>> gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org > >>>>> > >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>>>> gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org > >>>>> > >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>>>> than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Today's Topics: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > >>>>> 2. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) > >>>>> 3. Re: Making the leap to latest (AC) > >>>>> 4. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > >>>>> 5. Re: Making the leap to latest (Derek Atkins) > >>>>> 6. Re: Making the leap to latest (Michael or Penny Novack) > >>>>> 7. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register > >>>>> until is pressed (Robin Chattopadhyay) > >>>>> 8. Re: Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register > >>>>> until is pressed (Glenn Fowler) > >>>>> 9. Re: OFX Import with Investment Transactions (Robin Chattopadhyay) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 1 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:06:40 -0400 > >>>>> From: Derek Atkins > >>>>> To: AC , GnuCash users group > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > >>>>> > >>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>>>> > >>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>>>> > >>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, > >>>> don't fix > >>>>> it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your > >>>> system, > >>>>> it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>>>> > >>>>> -derek > >>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date > >>>> that > >>>>>> I can see. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x > and > >>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for > standard > >>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > >>>> transaction > >>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online > transactions, > >>>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still > >>>> work > >>>>>> the same way? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be > to > >>>>>> update? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments > and > >>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully > >>>> not > >>>>>> one for every point version)? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 2 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:11:39 -0700 > >>>>> From: AC > >>>>> To: Derek Atkins , GnuCash users group > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely > be > >>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >>>>> > >>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > >>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > >>>>> > >>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? > I'm > >>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > >>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus > far). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, > >>>> don't > >>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild > your > >>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -derek > >>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date > >>>> that > >>>>>>> I can see. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x > >>>> and > >>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for > >>>> standard > >>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > >>>> transaction > >>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online > >>>> transactions, > >>>>>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still > >>>> work > >>>>>>> the same way? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be > >>>> to > >>>>>>> update? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments > >>>> and > >>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need > (hopefully > >>>> not > >>>>>>> one for every point version)? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 3 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:18:19 -0700 > >>>>> From: AC > >>>>> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >>>>> > >>>>> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a > >>>>> version without having to go through a complete installation on > Windows > >>>>> and without disturbing the existing installation? > >>>>> > >>>>> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone > >>>> with > >>>>> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the > >>>> full > >>>>> install. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: > >>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely > be > >>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > >>>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? > I'm > >>>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > >>>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus > far). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, > >>>> don't > >>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild > >>>> your > >>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -derek > >>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10.? No issues to date > >>>> that > >>>>>>>> I can see. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x > >>>> and > >>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Do I really need to update?? I only use the basis ledgers for > >>>> standard > >>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > >>>> transaction > >>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online > >>>> transactions, > >>>>>>>> imports, or business features.? Can I assume that the basics still > >>>> work > >>>>>>>> the same way? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it > be > >>>> to > >>>>>>>> update? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments > >>>> and > >>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need > >>>> (hopefully not > >>>>>>>> one for every point version)? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 4 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:20:09 -0400 > >>>>> From: Derek Atkins > >>>>> To: AC , GnuCash users group > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> <17c4317d9a8.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > >>>>> > >>>>> Basic features are all the same. > >>>>> Some options and reports changed along the way, so you might need to > >>>>> manually File - > Open your data file when you upgrade. And you may > >>>> lose > >>>>> saved reports. > >>>>> > >>>>> -derek > >>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>>> On October 2, 2021 6:13:31 PM AC wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely > be > >>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > >>>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? > I'm > >>>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > >>>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus > far). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, > >>>> don't > >>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild > >>>> your > >>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -derek > >>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date > >>>> that > >>>>>>>> I can see. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x > >>>> and > >>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for > >>>> standard > >>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > >>>> transaction > >>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online > >>>> transactions, > >>>>>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still > >>>> work > >>>>>>>> the same way? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it > be > >>>> to > >>>>>>>> update? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments > >>>> and > >>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need > >>>> (hopefully not > >>>>>>>> one for every point version)? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 5 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:26:35 -0400 > >>>>> From: Derek Atkins > >>>>> To: AC , > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> <17c431dbd78.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506 at ihtfp.com> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" > >>>>> > >>>>> No, as far as I know, windows does not allow you to have multiple > >>>> versions > >>>>> installed. > >>>>> > >>>>> -derek > >>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>>> On October 2, 2021 6:20:13 PM AC wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Actually, related to this: Is there a straightforward way to try a > >>>>>> version without having to go through a complete installation on > >>>> Windows > >>>>>> and without disturbing the existing installation? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If it's possible then I could run 2.6.last and then 3.x stand-alone > >>>> with > >>>>>> a test copy of the file before jumping to 4.x and committing to the > >>>> full > >>>>>> install. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:11, AC wrote: > >>>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely > >>>> be > >>>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >>>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, > >>>>>>> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? > >>>> I'm > >>>>>>> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to > >>>>>>> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus > >>>> far). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: > >>>>>>>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, > >>>> don't > >>>>>>>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild > >>>> your > >>>>>>>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -derek > >>>>>>>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. > >>>>>>>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to > date > >>>> that > >>>>>>>>> I can see. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the > 2.x > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for > >>>> standard > >>>>>>>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled > >>>>>>>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard > >>>> transaction > >>>>>>>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online > >>>> transactions, > >>>>>>>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics > still > >>>> work > >>>>>>>>> the same way? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it > >>>> be to > >>>>>>>>> update? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in > increments > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need > >>>> (hopefully not > >>>>>>>>> one for every point version)? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more > information. > >>>>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 6 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:30:44 -0400 > >>>>> From: Michael or Penny Novack > >>>>> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest > >>>>> Message-ID: <8c43f2ab-a195-459f-c51f-1fa3e94207cb at comcast.net> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >>>>> > >>>>> On 10/2/2021 6:11 PM, AC wrote: > >>>>>> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely > be > >>>>>> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer > >>>>>> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. > >>>>> a) Yes, you only want to be making one "change" at a time << FAR > easier > >>>>> to "debug" if there are problems. Since you will not easily have your > >>>>> current gnucash version available for installation o? the new > machine, > >>>>> best to update now, while still on the old machine, to a current > >>>> version > >>>>> you will have available for installing on the new machine. > >>>>> > >>>>> b) Going to a new computer, you will want to be saving ALL of your > data > >>>>> (not just gnucash data). If the OS is remaining the same, this is > >>>>> relatively simple. If the OS will be changing (different on the new > >>>>> machine) this will not be simple unless the two OS's use the same > user > >>>>> data structure. > >>>>> > >>>>> c) In case "b" applies, do not immediately begin the "restore form > >>>>> backup". Get the software on, and in each case, see where it puts the > >>>>> application user data. You can then see what files to replace/where. > >>>>> > >>>>> Michael D Novack > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 7 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:37:34 -0500 > >>>>> From: Robin Chattopadhyay > >>>>> To: john > >>>>> Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the > >>>>> register until is pressed > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >>>>> > >>>>> I interpreted the question differently. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you leave a register open from a prior session, it seems like the > >>>>> register view doesn't refresh and display newly created transactions > >>>> until > >>>>> you perform some sort of other action that triggers a refresh. That's > >>>> the > >>>>> experience *I* thought Glenn was describing. > >>>>> > >>>>> Robin > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:56 PM john wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in > >>>> settings > >>>>>>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do > >>>> run as > >>>>>>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > >>>>>>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date > register > >>>>>> until > >>>>>>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for > >>>> them > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books > >>>> instead > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the > >>>> Overview > >>>>>> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> John Ralls > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 8 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 18:32:15 -0400 > >>>>> From: Glenn Fowler > >>>>> To: john > >>>>> Cc: Glenn Fowler , GnuCash users group > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the > >>>>> register until is pressed > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> < > >>>> > SJ0PR19MB444552A7EC1F1DEA3764FB8F8FAC9 at SJ0PR19MB4445.namprd19.prod.outlook.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi John, > >>>>> > >>>>> I already have "create automatically" checked and scheduled > >>>> transactions do > >>>>> create automatically as expected. The issue is if GnuCash is opened > >>>> after > >>>>> the transaction is created, they do not appear in the register until > >>>> you > >>>>> press which can create issues because you are looking at an > >>>>> out-of-date register. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 5:56 PM john wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Glenn Fowler > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I have numerous scheduled transactions in multiple books and in > >>>> settings > >>>>>>> have them "run when the data file is opened". The transactions do > >>>> run as > >>>>>>> expected but do not appear in the register until you press . > >>>>>>> With them not appearing, I am not looking at an out of date > register > >>>>>> until > >>>>>>> I enter a transaction or press . Wouldn't it make sense for > >>>> them > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>> appear without user input so we are looking at up-to-date books > >>>> instead > >>>>>> of > >>>>>>> trying to create a habit for myself to click on every open? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That's already possible, just set "create automatically" on the > >>>> Overview > >>>>>> page of the Scheduled Transactions Editor. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> John Ralls > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ > >>>>> > >>>>> Message: 9 > >>>>> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:19:42 -0500 > >>>>> From: Robin Chattopadhyay > >>>>> To: Gnucash Users > >>>>> Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > >>>>> Message-ID: > >>>>> > >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Jean- > >>>>> > >>>>> I understand the logic for #1 and have no concerns about that. > >>>>> > >>>>> As for #2, I did continue past the first matching dialog and there > >>>> were no > >>>>> additional dialogs, the focus returned to the account list. > >>>>> > >>>>> There are definitely FITIDs that are already in the database that are > >>>> also > >>>>> in the most recent OFX file. This is because the provider doesn't > >>>> allow you > >>>>> to specify a date range, only 'current quarter' or 'some other > >>>> quarter'. > >>>>> > >>>>> I tried something else to research... > >>>>> > >>>>> Using 4.8, I created a blank file and then imported an OFX file from > >>>> Sep. > >>>>> 25, 2021. This file had 66 transactions and imported as expected with > >>>> one > >>>>> matcher screen per security/account as you indicated would happen. I > >>>> then > >>>>> attempted to import the OFX file from Oct. 2. This file has 84 > >>>> transactions > >>>>> -- the same 66 transactions from the Sep. 25 file plus 18 new > >>>> transactions > >>>>> dated 9/24. > >>>>> > >>>>> The program then presents the dialog for the first account. There are > >>>> two > >>>>> transactions in the most recent file for this account; however > they're > >>>>> already in the database, thus triggering the message "OFX file > >>>>> /home/robin/Downloads.qfx' imported transactions for account 'xxx' 2 > >>>>> transactions processed, no transactions to match". That makes sense > as > >>>>> those are older transactions that are already in the database. I > >>>> clicked > >>>>> 'Close' for that dialog and then the focus returns to the main > >>>> application. > >>>>> It's almost as if the program -- having determined that there were no > >>>> new > >>>>> transactions to import into the first account -- decided not to look > >>>> at the > >>>>> subsequent accounts. > >>>>> > >>>>> In service to the greater good, I am attaching the test file I > created > >>>> and > >>>>> the Oct. 2 OFX file. I have removed all of the position data (there > are > >>>>> limits to what I'm willing to share :-) ), but that will not > negatively > >>>>> affect the import process. > >>>>> > >>>>> Something else that I just noticed... > >>>>> > >>>>> If -- after importing the OFX file -- you open one of the account > >>>>> registers, you'll see duplicate transactions! Although, if you close > >>>> and > >>>>> re-open the file, those duplicated transactions do not appear when > you > >>>>> re-open the account register. I don't know what to make of that. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 1:52 PM Jean L wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, there's a new behavior with OFX import. The match dialog shows > up > >>>>>> for each target account, so if you're importing securities the > dialog > >>>>>> will show up for each security. This could be a real annoyance if > >>>> there > >>>>>> are many different securities, so we may want to change that > behavior. > >>>>>> The new behavior was introduced to fix an issue when a single OFX > file > >>>>>> had transfers between accounts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I see two issues here: > >>>>>> 1) The fact that the match dialog runs for each target account (see > >>>>>> comment above) > >>>>>> 2) The fact that some of your imported transactions were simply > >>>> ignored. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> About 2): Did you try to continue with the import after the first > >>>>>> matching dialog? Did it then go to the next securities? Or did you > >>>> just > >>>>>> abort thinking something was wrong (not expecting the new behavior > of > >>>>>> seeing the matching dialog for each security instead of all together > >>>> as > >>>>>> before) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If that was not the case (i.e., you tried continuing but nothing > else > >>>>>> happened) one reason why this could happen is if the FITID used for > >>>> the > >>>>>> imported transactions were already present in the target account. > This > >>>>>> is new in the latest version: transactions that were previously > >>>> imported > >>>>>> are no longer shown the matching dialog. In your case this seems > >>>>>> erroneous. So either it's a bug (i.e., the FITID of the imported > >>>>>> transactions are NOT found in any of the transactions of the account > >>>>>> you're imported into, so they should show) or it's a problem with > the > >>>>>> OFX data that the transactions seem to reuse existing FITIDs. > >>>>>> The fact that things work normally when you import into a blank > >>>> account > >>>>>> would indicate that indeed, the FITID of the imported transactions > >>>>>> already exist in your target account. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> SO, could you re-try importing with the latest version, but making > >>>> sure > >>>>>> you continue clicking OK for each match dialog? Does this work or > not? > >>>>>> If not, then we'll need to check whether the FITID of the new > imported > >>>>>> transactions somehow have been used before in the previously > imported > >>>>>> transactions. To see that, you'd need to pick one that was not > >>>> imported > >>>>>> (looking at the OFX file), get its FITID, and see in your account > >>>>>> database (save it as an xml file so it can be looked at with a > regular > >>>>>> editor) whether that FITID exists. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jean > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 10/2/2021 8:58 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > >>>>>>> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) > >>>>>>> Gnucash 4.8 > >>>>>>> libofx 0.9.15 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning > and > >>>> I > >>>>> got > >>>>>>> a message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single > >>>>>>> security in the file and there were no additional transactions to > >>>>> process. > >>>>>>> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine > >>>>> securities > >>>>>>> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been > >>>>> imported > >>>>>>> previously). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of > >>>>> course): > >>>>>>> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations > for > >>>>> this > >>>>>>> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in > the > >>>>> file > >>>>>>> to the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX > >>>> file > >>>>>>> again, I had the same experience as described above > >>>>>>> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. > >>>> Through > >>>>>>> the import process, I created new securities and new accounts, > >>>> nothing > >>>>>>> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog > popped > >>>>> up, > >>>>>>> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in > the > >>>>>>> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the > >>>>> generic > >>>>>>> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with > >>>> transactions > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> a single, different security. I imported those and repeated the > >>>> process > >>>>> for > >>>>>>> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > >>>>>>> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a > >>>>> single > >>>>>>> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > >>>>>>> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the > file > >>>>>>> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File > menu > >>>>>>> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I > >>>>> would > >>>>>>> try anyway. > >>>>>>> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new > >>>>> transactions > >>>>>>> in a single dialog > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from > the > >>>>>>> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously > wrong > >>>>> and I > >>>>>>> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > >>>>>>> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> Robin > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>>>>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>>>>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>>>>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>>>>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>>>>>> You can do this by using 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all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From jralls at ceridwen.us Mon Oct 4 17:43:50 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (John Ralls) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:43:50 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: References: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <17c489ce3f0.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <5A9858EA-4B86-4A43-B00E-AFD73E299271@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: <99261FD9-67C8-495E-BCEE-B640B5160F8F@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 4, 2021, at 2:18 PM, David H wrote: > > The only thing I'm not sure about is what the difference is between clicking Cancel and clicking OK on the popup as I get the txns regardless :-) Probably because all of your transactions are set to create automatically, so the SLR is just telling you that they've been created. Regards, John Ralls From hellvee at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 17:51:36 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 07:51:36 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Scheduled transactions do not appear in the register until is pressed In-Reply-To: <99261FD9-67C8-495E-BCEE-B640B5160F8F@ceridwen.us> References: <17c43f13e00.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <17c489ce3f0.27fb.22c50efcdefa484b94aaf3e86351a0a7@airgeadstudio.net> <5A9858EA-4B86-4A43-B00E-AFD73E299271@ceridwen.us> <99261FD9-67C8-495E-BCEE-B640B5160F8F@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: John, thanks for the clarification. Cheers David H. On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 07:43, John Ralls wrote: > > > > On Oct 4, 2021, at 2:18 PM, David H wrote: > > > > The only thing I'm not sure about is what the difference is between > clicking Cancel and clicking OK on the popup as I get the txns regardless > :-) > > Probably because all of your transactions are set to create automatically, > so the SLR is just telling you that they've been created. > > Regards, > John Ralls From tommy.trussell at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 18:51:40 2021 From: tommy.trussell at gmail.com (Tommy Trussell) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 17:51:40 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Cannot get current version from Flathub on Raspbian OS In-Reply-To: <7EFE0B77-CE8F-4F67-9F0E-51658875FA1B@gmail.com> References: <7EFE0B77-CE8F-4F67-9F0E-51658875FA1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 9:13 PM Colin wrote: > I apologize if I?m adding (yet another) newbie flatpak question to this > list, but? > > I?ve got GnuCash installed on my Raspberry Pi 4 running the latest > updates. I installed GnuCash, via Flathub, following the instructions on > the GnuCash Wiki page. BUT I only got version 4.4. > > Running 'flatpack update? does not help, as it shows no available updates. > > What am I missing? > > Thanks, > Colin > I think it's a great question! The short answer is GnuCash might not currently be being built for the Pi, probably since version 4.4. (Unless it has appeared in the flatpak repository since you asked.) Unfortunately I can't find an easy way to tell without digging out a Pi and looking for myself. The flatpak commands only show what's available for the host's architecture, which for me is x86_64, so I cannot see the Pi packages at all. If there's a way to see all the architectures the repository contains for GnuCash, that would make it much easier, but I don't know how. I hope someone sees this and can say what is getting built! > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gerrystarnes at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 20:03:15 2021 From: gerrystarnes at gmail.com (Gerry Starnes) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:03:15 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Upgrade installation question Message-ID: Re: Gnucash on Mac OS Big Sur I recently upgraded from 3.7 to 4.7. I downloaded the DMG, opened it and there were several files, including the Gnucash program. I dragged the program file directly into the Go > Applications directory and it ran. The problem is that it is still connected to the Gnucash-4.7 volume. If I put that in the trash, Gnucash won't run. When I restarted the computer due to another unrelated issue, I had to dig the Gnucash DMG out of the Downloads folder and run it again or the program can't be found. There must be a step I'm missing, but I can't figure it out. Your help is appreciated. Gerry From jralls at ceridwen.us Mon Oct 4 21:26:34 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:26:34 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Cannot get current version from Flathub on Raspbian OS In-Reply-To: References: <7EFE0B77-CE8F-4F67-9F0E-51658875FA1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <401A9E1C-5739-4EDA-82B3-183AAC27A7EC@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 9:13 PM Colin > wrote: > >> I apologize if I?m adding (yet another) newbie flatpak question to this >> list, but? >> >> I?ve got GnuCash installed on my Raspberry Pi 4 running the latest >> updates. I installed GnuCash, via Flathub, following the instructions on >> the GnuCash Wiki page. BUT I only got version 4.4. >> >> Running 'flatpack update? does not help, as it shows no available updates. >> >> What am I missing? >> >> Thanks, >> Colin >> > > I think it's a great question! > > The short answer is GnuCash might not currently be being built for the Pi, > probably since version 4.4. (Unless it has appeared in the flatpak > repository since you asked.) > > Unfortunately I can't find an easy way to tell without digging out a Pi and > looking for myself. The flatpak commands only show what's available for the > host's architecture, which for me is x86_64, so I cannot see the Pi > packages at all. > > If there's a way to see all the architectures the repository contains > for GnuCash, that would make it much easier, but I don't know how. > > I hope someone sees this and can say what is getting built! If you look at the top commit at https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/ you'll see a little green check next to it. Hover on that check and it shows the three GitHub Actions that drive flathub publishing. They're build-aarch64, build-x86_64, and download-sources. All passed, meaning that there's an aarch64 build floating around somewhere, but all of the steps past pushing to that repo are automatic and somewhat opaque. Regards, John Ralls From jralls at ceridwen.us Mon Oct 4 21:30:45 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:30:45 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Upgrade installation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Oct 4, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Gerry Starnes wrote: > > Re: Gnucash on Mac OS Big Sur > I recently upgraded from 3.7 to 4.7. I downloaded the DMG, opened it and > there were several files, including the Gnucash program. I dragged the > program file directly into the Go > Applications directory and it ran. The > problem is that it is still connected to the Gnucash-4.7 volume. If I put > that in the trash, Gnucash won't run. > > When I restarted the computer due to another unrelated issue, I had to dig > the Gnucash DMG out of the Downloads folder and run it again or the program > can't be found. > > There must be a step I'm missing, but I can't figure it out. Your help is > appreciated. Dunno what you mean by Go > Applications, but if it runs immediately it's not copying. Open another Finder window, navigate to Applications in that, and drag Gnucash from the dmg window to that window. It should pause for a couple of beats then put up a little box showing progress as it copies the app bundle to the Applications folder. When that finishes, eject the dmg and launch GnuCash from the other Finder window. Regards, John Ralls From theonlybraz at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 21:31:58 2021 From: theonlybraz at gmail.com (Chris Brazfield) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:31:58 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Help updating from 2.4 to 4.7 Message-ID: <9D7ACC3C-EC60-44EA-B6DE-786C78F64A28@gmail.com> Any help to to transfer my files from Gnucash 2.4 to 4.7. There doesn?t seem to be a way to save in 2.4 to QIF. The CVS files in 2.4 don?t align with the ones in 4.7 for easy import. Thanks From ToddAndMargo at zoho.com Mon Oct 4 21:52:34 2021 From: ToddAndMargo at zoho.com (ToddAndMargo) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:52:34 -0700 Subject: [GNC] GnuCash transfer column pull down not working in MATE Message-ID: <61aa2d20-27a5-b0c1-7c55-8f25d68a918a@zoho.com> Hi All, Fedora 34 mate-desktop-1.26.0-1.fc34.x86_64 Xfce 4.16 gnucash-4.6-2.fc34.x86_64 GnuCash transfer column pull down not working in MATE: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/issues/484 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2010544 The drop down arrow at the far right of GnuCash's transfer column does not put of a list of transfer account. The problem does not reproduce in Xfce (I have both desktops installed) Anyone have a work around for this. Otherwise this is a deal killer for MATE-Desktop Many thanks, -T From ToddAndMargo at zoho.com Mon Oct 4 22:11:10 2021 From: ToddAndMargo at zoho.com (ToddAndMargo) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:11:10 -0700 Subject: [GNC] GnuCash transfer column pull down not working in MATE In-Reply-To: <61aa2d20-27a5-b0c1-7c55-8f25d68a918a@zoho.com> References: <61aa2d20-27a5-b0c1-7c55-8f25d68a918a@zoho.com> Message-ID: <2ecb0ec2-7400-2bd5-c2cb-7a8aee45928d@zoho.com> On 10/4/21 18:52, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote: > Hi All, > > Fedora 34 > mate-desktop-1.26.0-1.fc34.x86_64 > Xfce 4.16 > gnucash-4.6-2.fc34.x86_64 > > GnuCash transfer column pull down not working in MATE: > ?? https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-desktop/issues/484 > ?? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2010544 > > The drop down arrow at the far right of GnuCash's transfer column does > not put of a list of transfer account. The problem does not reproduce in > Xfce (I have both desktops installed) > > Anyone have a work around for this.? Otherwise this is > a deal killer for MATE-Desktop > > Many thanks, > -T I can type the value in manually and it does try to guess at it. What down not work is the down arrow. And it works perfectly in Xfce 4.16 (I have both desktops installed). From list+gnucash at jdlh.com Mon Oct 4 22:19:52 2021 From: list+gnucash at jdlh.com (Jim DeLaHunt) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:19:52 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Help updating from 2.4 to 4.7 In-Reply-To: <9D7ACC3C-EC60-44EA-B6DE-786C78F64A28@gmail.com> References: <9D7ACC3C-EC60-44EA-B6DE-786C78F64A28@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris: By "transfer my files", I take it you want to open your existing bookkeeping data files in a new version of GnuCash. Your new version is 4.7, and the previous version was GnuCash 2.4. This is answered in the FAQ, "Can a new GnuCash release still read my old data file?" The basic answer is "yes". Gnucash generally reads older data files from earlier of its major version, and from the last release of the previous major version.? There is no need to export your data from GnuCash 2.4 as QIF or CSV. But you need to (are advised to) do it in stages. First install the last GnuCash 2.x release, open your GnuCash data book in that version, and do the "Check & Repair" operation. Then install the last GnuCash 3.x release, and repeat the process. Finally, install your GnuCash 4.7, and repeat the process one last time. By the way, the most recent GnuCash version is now 4.8. If you are on macOS or Windows, this has the same functionality as 4.7. But if you are moving to the newest version, you might as well take the newest newest version. Best regards, ??? ?Jim DeLaHunt On 2021-10-04 18:31, Chris Brazfield wrote: > Any help to to transfer my files from Gnucash 2.4 to 4.7. There doesn?t seem to be a way to save in 2.4 to QIF. The CVS files in 2.4 don?t align with the ones in 4.7 for easy import. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gerrystarnes at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 22:27:54 2021 From: gerrystarnes at gmail.com (Gerry Starnes) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 21:27:54 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Upgrade installation question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey John, What I meant was in the Finder menu, click on go, then open the Applications option. When I did that, the DMG of the app was there, not the program. Of note, I did drag the program file from the folder that opened when I clicked on the DMG, not the DMG itself. I did that several times. Why that happened was confounding. Nonetheless, your suggestion of opening a separate Finder window and copying from there worked. It DID copy and now runs without the DMG on the desktop. Thanks! Gerry On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 8:30 PM john wrote: > > > > On Oct 4, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Gerry Starnes > wrote: > > > > Re: Gnucash on Mac OS Big Sur > > I recently upgraded from 3.7 to 4.7. I downloaded the DMG, opened it and > > there were several files, including the Gnucash program. I dragged the > > program file directly into the Go > Applications directory and it ran. > The > > problem is that it is still connected to the Gnucash-4.7 volume. If I put > > that in the trash, Gnucash won't run. > > > > When I restarted the computer due to another unrelated issue, I had to > dig > > the Gnucash DMG out of the Downloads folder and run it again or the > program > > can't be found. > > > > There must be a step I'm missing, but I can't figure it out. Your help is > > appreciated. > > Dunno what you mean by Go > Applications, but if it runs immediately it's > not copying. Open another Finder window, navigate to Applications in that, > and drag Gnucash from the dmg window to that window. It should pause for a > couple of beats then put up a little box showing progress as it copies the > app bundle to the Applications folder. When that finishes, eject the dmg > and launch GnuCash from the other Finder window. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > From john.layman at laymanandlayman.com Mon Oct 4 14:55:23 2021 From: john.layman at laymanandlayman.com (John Layman) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:55:23 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01d7b951$6441ea90$2cc5bfb0$@laymanandlayman.com> The Billing Terms Editor merely allows you to maintain a table of differing terms. When an invoice is posted, the applicable terms are those specified in the Customer (or Vendor) record, which refers to an entry in the Billing Terms table. -----Original Message----- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of Benjamin Soffer Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:10 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" Hello, I am using version 3.8 for Windows. When I set the invoice "due" period in the Billing Terms Editor (for example 15 days), the system does not "remember" this setting when I post a new invoice. The due date remains the same as the post date, by default. Any suggestions? Ben _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From stephen.r.miller at gmail.com Sat Oct 2 13:08:35 2021 From: stephen.r.miller at gmail.com (Steve Miller) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 13:08:35 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! Message-ID: [image: PXL_20211002_170211297.jpg] Long time user of GnuCash on Windows laptop, using latest version. I was trying to widen the transfer column. In fooling around with it, however, I seem to have gone down a rabbit hole. Now, my description column is extremely wide, my transfer column has basically disappeared (yes, I know it's there, but the vertical edges are next to the adjoining column and indistinguishable. See the screenshot. I understand I can't "move" the description column. But whenever I tried to move the other columns to the left, it just reduces the width (and like the transfer column, seemingly disappears). How do i shrink the description column, double clicking on it does not reset. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PXL_20211002_170211297.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1734975 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cgrinton at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 23:43:18 2021 From: cgrinton at gmail.com (Chris Grinton) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 14:43:18 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been able to get the transfer column back from having it very narrow like you're seeing by hovering the mouse over the border in the column headings and double-clicking to auto-size the transfer column - see the attached screenshot. Whether or not this works appears to depend on very precise mouse movements - a movement of the mouse cursor one pixel to the left or right can mean all the difference in whether the double-click works. (BTW - Double-clicking on a column heading is a great way to auto-size the column based on its contents - I just learnt that trick recently after many years of using GnuCash!) Chris [image: image.png] On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 14:29, Steve Miller wrote: > [image: PXL_20211002_170211297.jpg] > Long time user of GnuCash on Windows laptop, using latest version. > > I was trying to widen the transfer column. In fooling around with it, > however, I seem to have gone down a rabbit hole. > > Now, my description column is extremely wide, my transfer column has > basically disappeared (yes, I know it's there, but the vertical edges are > next to the adjoining column and indistinguishable. See the screenshot. > > I understand I can't "move" the description column. But whenever I tried to > move the other columns to the left, it just reduces the width (and like the > transfer column, seemingly disappears). How do i shrink the description > column, double clicking on it does not reset. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 10088 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gmccollam at live.com Tue Oct 5 02:14:15 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 06:14:15 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I had a similar problem in a reconciliation window. It turned out that there was some bad data in the description column, namely a lot of spaces and what looked like the enter key symbol at the very end. If this just happened recently, I would suggest you check each of the description entries by using your mouse and clicking in the middle of the text. Then hit the end key, which should take you to the end of the text. I have the feeling that on one line it will take you way to the right, past where the text actually ends. That line is most likely so long and that is why double clicking does solve your problem. You could left click the left click the right side of the description column, if you can distinguish it from the right side of the transfer column, and drag it to the left manually making the description column narrower. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Steve Miller Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:08 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! [image: PXL_20211002_170211297.jpg] Long time user of GnuCash on Windows laptop, using latest version. I was trying to widen the transfer column. In fooling around with it, however, I seem to have gone down a rabbit hole. Now, my description column is extremely wide, my transfer column has basically disappeared (yes, I know it's there, but the vertical edges are next to the adjoining column and indistinguishable. See the screenshot. I understand I can't "move" the description column. But whenever I tried to move the other columns to the left, it just reduces the width (and like the transfer column, seemingly disappears). How do i shrink the description column, double clicking on it does not reset. From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 12:21:11 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <20211004230613.c1c2218ec662346deca57be2@gmx.de> References: <20211004230613.c1c2218ec662346deca57be2@gmx.de> Message-ID: <5510146.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Hi, This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. Regards, Geert Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > Hi, > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > ninja > ninja install > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: no > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register etc > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres database. > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, date > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, date > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and feel > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by the > above method and all works fine again. > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing a > bug? > > Thanks > Klaus > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Tue Oct 5 06:34:30 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 12:34:30 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Cannot get current version from Flathub on Raspbian OS In-Reply-To: <401A9E1C-5739-4EDA-82B3-183AAC27A7EC@ceridwen.us> References: <7EFE0B77-CE8F-4F67-9F0E-51658875FA1B@gmail.com> <401A9E1C-5739-4EDA-82B3-183AAC27A7EC@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: <4354613.LvFx2qVVIh@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Hi, Running this command on my Fedora linux box (x86_64 architecture) suggests that the aarch64 package for gnucash is also at 4.8: flatpak remote-info --arch aarch64 --app flathub org.gnucash.GnuCash Here's the last two lines of the output: Subject: Package gnucash 4.8 (537909) Date: 2021-09-28 23:23:35 +0000c9) What do you get when you run this on your Rasbian OS system ? Regards, Geert Op dinsdag 5 oktober 2021 03:26:34 CEST schreef john: > > On Oct 4, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Tommy Trussell > > wrote:> > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 9:13 PM Colin > wrote: > >> I apologize if I?m adding (yet another) newbie flatpak question to this > >> list, but? > >> > >> I?ve got GnuCash installed on my Raspberry Pi 4 running the latest > >> updates. I installed GnuCash, via Flathub, following the instructions on > >> the GnuCash Wiki page. BUT I only got version 4.4. > >> > >> Running 'flatpack update? does not help, as it shows no available > >> updates. > >> > >> What am I missing? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Colin > > > > I think it's a great question! > > > > The short answer is GnuCash might not currently be being built for the Pi, > > probably since version 4.4. (Unless it has appeared in the flatpak > > repository since you asked.) > > > > Unfortunately I can't find an easy way to tell without digging out a Pi > > and > > looking for myself. The flatpak commands only show what's available for > > the > > host's architecture, which for me is x86_64, so I cannot see the Pi > > packages at all. > > > > If there's a way to see all the architectures the repository contains > > for GnuCash, that would make it much easier, but I don't know how. > > > > I hope someone sees this and can say what is getting built! > > If you look at the top commit at > https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/ > you'll see a little green > check next to it. Hover on that check and it shows the three GitHub Actions > that drive flathub publishing. They're build-aarch64, build-x86_64, and > download-sources. All passed, meaning that there's an aarch64 build > floating around somewhere, but all of the steps past pushing to that repo > are automatic and somewhat opaque. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From mfeneis at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 06:35:58 2021 From: mfeneis at gmail.com (Greg Feneis) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 03:35:58 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A user should be able to adjust each column's width by dragging its right side (except description column). Sometimes the result is the total width of all columns becomes wider than the window or dialog they appear in. (When this happens, look for a horizontal scroll bar to appear at the bottom of all columns) This can make things appear as if columns are disappearing or suddenly becoming too narrow. Usually, just double click the description column header and its width will adjust to allow all of the columns to be seen in one window's width (as long as there's enough room). That is to say, manually adjust or auto adjust all columns' widths but description, as necessary, then auto adjust description column width last. Kind regards, Greg Feneis (Pixel 3) On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 23:16 Gyle McCollam wrote: > Steve, > I had a similar problem in a reconciliation window. It turned out that > there was some bad data in the description column, namely a lot of spaces > and what looked like the enter key symbol at the very end. If this just > happened recently, I would suggest you check each of the description > entries by using your mouse and clicking in the middle of the text. Then > hit the end key, which should take you to the end of the text. I have the > feeling that on one line it will take you way to the right, past where the > text actually ends. That line is most likely so long and that is why > double clicking does solve your problem. You could left click the left > click the right side of the description column, if you can distinguish it > from the right side of the transfer column, and drag it to the left > manually making the description column narrower. > > > Thank You, > Gyle McCollam > > Gyle McCollam > > 609.680.2326 Mobile > > gmccollam at live.com email > > ________________________________ > From: gnucash-user on > behalf of Steve Miller > Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:08 PM > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! > > [image: PXL_20211002_170211297.jpg] > Long time user of GnuCash on Windows laptop, using latest version. > > I was trying to widen the transfer column. In fooling around with it, > however, I seem to have gone down a rabbit hole. > > Now, my description column is extremely wide, my transfer column has > basically disappeared (yes, I know it's there, but the vertical edges are > next to the adjoining column and indistinguishable. See the screenshot. > > I understand I can't "move" the description column. But whenever I tried to > move the other columns to the left, it just reduces the width (and like the > transfer column, seemingly disappears). How do i shrink the description > column, double clicking on it does not reset. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Tue Oct 5 10:25:04 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:25:04 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> Message-ID: <000601d7b9f4$ca6cdd90$5f4698b0$@usa.net> I loaded up 4.8 version of GnuCash on another computer last night and imported one of the file that is most complex that had failed to import properly on 4.5 version of GnuCash. Good news is that where I was seeing 4.5 failing to import all transactions appears to be fixed in 4.8 and loaded all transactions properly. I imported same file in both, version 4.4 where it is known to work correctly, and in 4.8 and they both give the same end results after importing them into a clean new files. I will test out two more files which are not as complex as the one that is already tried one. Only case I am not able to test is the one with multiple accounts in the same ofx file where it is part of the same session. I will be testing multiple ofx files concatenated into a single file and import it in to see the end results. I?ll report back. From: Roger Moore Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 11:50 PM To: john Cc: Robin Chattopadhyay ; Kalpesh Patel ; Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions There was indeed a bug so I opened https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798327 and created a PR with a simple fix. I verified that on the file that Robin provided the import continues as expected for all 11 securities. On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 2:21 PM john wrote: That sounds like https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798208 , which is fixed in GnuCash 4.8. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay > wrote: > > Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K OFX has fee > transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those > transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale transactions do > not get imported. > > That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction per month > vs 9 every two weeks. > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel > wrote: > >> The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX >> introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above version of >> GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely >> doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. >> >> I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in >> from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error are >> specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in Stock >> or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your end >> or >> not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have >> changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not >> considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, bond, >> mutual fund, etc. >> >> Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: >> 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import >> brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author of >> libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. >> >> It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX >> correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate >> input >> via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding >> "brokerage" >> account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable >> download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as the >> source for it if you want to automate it. >> >> For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> 'Check & >> Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now >> and >> then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry >> over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). >> >> This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a bit. >> >> Kalpesh... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 >> From: Robin Chattopadhyay > >> To: Gnucash Users > >> Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions >> Message-ID: >> > 7Jjed1Oqxw_jPqssxjxG1Q at mail.gmail.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 >> libofx 0.9.15 >> >> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got >> a >> message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security >> in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. >> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities >> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported >> previously). >> >> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): >> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this >> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file >> to >> the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file >> again, >> I had the same experience as described above >> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through >> the >> import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing >> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, >> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic >> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for >> a >> single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for >> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single >> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would >> try anyway. >> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions >> in a single dialog >> >> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I >> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >> >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >> >> Thanks, >> Robin >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gfowler1 at outlook.com Tue Oct 5 10:22:16 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:22:16 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another option is to adjust directly in the settings: %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\GnuCash\books\ On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 11:43 PM Chris Grinton wrote: > I've been able to get the transfer column back from having it very narrow > like you're seeing by hovering the mouse over the border in the column > headings and double-clicking to auto-size the transfer column - see the > attached screenshot. Whether or not this works appears to depend on very > precise mouse movements - a movement of the mouse cursor one pixel to the > left or right can mean all the difference in whether the double-click > works. > > (BTW - Double-clicking on a column heading is a great way to auto-size the > column based on its contents - I just learnt that trick recently after many > years of using GnuCash!) > > Chris > > [image: image.png] > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 14:29, Steve Miller > wrote: > > > [image: PXL_20211002_170211297.jpg] > > Long time user of GnuCash on Windows laptop, using latest version. > > > > I was trying to widen the transfer column. In fooling around with it, > > however, I seem to have gone down a rabbit hole. > > > > Now, my description column is extremely wide, my transfer column has > > basically disappeared (yes, I know it's there, but the vertical edges are > > next to the adjoining column and indistinguishable. See the screenshot. > > > > I understand I can't "move" the description column. But whenever I tried > to > > move the other columns to the left, it just reduces the width (and like > the > > transfer column, seemingly disappears). How do i shrink the description > > column, double clicking on it does not reset. > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gfowler1 at outlook.com Tue Oct 5 10:30:50 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:30:50 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Column widths-- Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another option is to adjust directly in the settings: %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\GnuCash\books\ Stephen in your case just look for and increase the "transfer_width=" in the register in the settings above. Just make it something like 100 and then you can readjust by mouse. On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 10:22 AM Glenn Fowler wrote: > Another option is to adjust directly in the settings: > %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Roaming\GnuCash\books\ > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 11:43 PM Chris Grinton wrote: > >> I've been able to get the transfer column back from having it very narrow >> like you're seeing by hovering the mouse over the border in the column >> headings and double-clicking to auto-size the transfer column - see the >> attached screenshot. Whether or not this works appears to depend on very >> precise mouse movements - a movement of the mouse cursor one pixel to the >> left or right can mean all the difference in whether the double-click >> works. >> >> (BTW - Double-clicking on a column heading is a great way to auto-size the >> column based on its contents - I just learnt that trick recently after >> many >> years of using GnuCash!) >> >> Chris >> >> [image: image.png] >> >> On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 14:29, Steve Miller >> wrote: >> >> > [image: PXL_20211002_170211297.jpg] >> > Long time user of GnuCash on Windows laptop, using latest version. >> > >> > I was trying to widen the transfer column. In fooling around with it, >> > however, I seem to have gone down a rabbit hole. >> > >> > Now, my description column is extremely wide, my transfer column has >> > basically disappeared (yes, I know it's there, but the vertical edges >> are >> > next to the adjoining column and indistinguishable. See the screenshot. >> > >> > I understand I can't "move" the description column. But whenever I >> tried to >> > move the other columns to the left, it just reduces the width (and like >> the >> > transfer column, seemingly disappears). How do i shrink the description >> > column, double clicking on it does not reset. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > gnucash-user mailing list >> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> > ----- >> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > From eric at ehbowen.net Tue Oct 5 11:06:54 2021 From: eric at ehbowen.net (Eric H. Bowen) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 10:06:54 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Cannot restore backup from mobile app Message-ID: I began making restaurant deliveries last night and I was using the GnuCash mobile app to record cash transactions. This morning I wanted to export them to the main GnuCash program as a .qif file. Well, there was a download glitch and the .qif file was lost. I had selected the "delete transactions after export" option so they're now erased from the mobile app. I've tried to go back into the "Backup and Restore" menu on the app and selected "Restore most recent backup", but I get the error message, "An error occurred while importing the GnuCash accounts: At line 1, column 0, not well formed (invalid token)." So far it's just one day's lost data, but how should I proceed in future? From ripngo at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 11:24:21 2021 From: ripngo at gmail.com (Jean L) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 08:24:21 -0700 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: <000601d7b9f4$ca6cdd90$5f4698b0$@usa.net> References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> <000601d7b9f4$ca6cdd90$5f4698b0$@usa.net> Message-ID: <2d973cbe-190c-7d9a-ca49-d03badb726ea@gmail.com> Thanks! That's good news! J. On 10/5/2021 7:25 AM, Kalpesh Patel wrote: > > I loaded up 4.8 version of GnuCash on another computer last night and > imported one of the file that is most complex that had failed to > import properly on 4.5 version of GnuCash. Good news is that where I > was seeing 4.5 failing to import all transactions appears to be fixed > in 4.8 and loaded all transactions properly. I imported same file in > both, version 4.4 where it is known to work correctly, and in 4.8 and > they both give the same end results after importing them into a clean > new files. I will test out two more files which are not as complex as > the one that is already tried one. Only case I am not able to test is > the one with multiple accounts in the same ofx file where it is part > of the same session. I will be testing multiple ofx files concatenated > into a single file and import it in to see the end results. I?ll > report back. > > *From:*Roger Moore > *Sent:* Sunday, October 03, 2021 11:50 PM > *To:* john > *Cc:* Robin Chattopadhyay ; Kalpesh Patel > ; Gnucash Users > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > > There was indeed a bug so I opened > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798327 and created a PR with > a simple fix. > > I verified that on the file that Robin provided the import continues > as expected for all 11 securities. > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 2:21 PM john > wrote: > > That sounds like https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798208 > , which is fixed > in GnuCash 4.8. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > > > On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay > > wrote: > > > > Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K > OFX has fee > > transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those > > transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale > transactions do > > not get imported. > > > > That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction > per month > > vs 9 every two weeks. > > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel > > wrote: > > > >> The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes > that OFX > >> introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and > above version of > >> GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that > likely > >> doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. > >> > >> I also had problems where some of transactions would not get > imported in > >> from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial > and error are > >> specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of > cash in Stock > >> or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior > on your end > >> or > >> not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author > may have > >> changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out > are not > >> considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a > stock, bond, > >> mutual fund, etc. > >> > >> Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically > Build ID: > >> 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import > >> brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the > author of > >> libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back > from them. > >> > >> It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it > imports OFX > >> correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for > appropriate > >> input > >> via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding > >> "brokerage" > >> account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" > and enable > >> download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with > yahoo_jason as the > >> source for it if you want to automate it. > >> > >> For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' > --> 'Check & > >> Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which > I do now > >> and > >> then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this > is carry > >> over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). > >> > >> This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this > helps a bit. > >> > >> Kalpesh... > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 > >> From: Robin Chattopadhyay > > >> To: Gnucash Users > > >> Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions > >> Message-ID: > >>? ? ? ? >> 7Jjed1Oqxw_jPqssxjxG1Q at mail.gmail.com > > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) > Gnucash 4.8 > >> libofx 0.9.15 > >> > >> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this > morning and I got > >> a > >> message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a > single security > >> in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. > >> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across > nine securities > >> (along with a number of other transactions that had already > been imported > >> previously). > >> > >> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, > of course): > >> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the > associations for this > >> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security > in the file > >> to > >> the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the > OFX file > >> again, > >> I had the same experience as described above > >> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file > there. Through > >> the > >> import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing > >> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog > popped up, > >> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited > in the > >> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then > the generic > >> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with > transactions for > >> a > >> single, different security. I imported those and repeated the > process for > >> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic > >> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions > for a single > >> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. > >> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in > the file > >> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the > File menu > >> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but > thought I would > >> try anyway. > >> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new > transactions > >> in a single dialog > >> > >> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout > from the > >> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously > wrong and I > >> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): > >> > >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 > >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Robin > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From jralls at ceridwen.us Tue Oct 5 12:03:42 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:03:42 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Cannot restore backup from mobile app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F3959E7-39EE-40C4-8C8B-47050305A96A@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 5, 2021, at 8:06 AM, Eric H. Bowen via gnucash-user wrote: > > I began making restaurant deliveries last night and I was using the > GnuCash mobile app to record cash transactions. This morning I wanted to > export them to the main GnuCash program as a .qif file. Well, there was > a download glitch and the .qif file was lost. I had selected the "delete > transactions after export" option so they're now erased from the mobile app. > > I've tried to go back into the "Backup and Restore" menu on the app and > selected "Restore most recent backup", but I get the error message, "An > error occurred while importing the GnuCash accounts: At line 1, column > 0, not well formed (invalid token)." > > So far it's just one day's lost data, but how should I proceed in future? Don't use the delete after export option, I suppose. But maybe reconsider using GnuCash for Android at all because it hasn't been maintained for 3 years or so, its author having moved on to other interests. Regards, John Ralls From gnucash.charity.user at gmail.com Tue Oct 5 21:35:58 2021 From: gnucash.charity.user at gmail.com (GnuCash Charity User) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:35:58 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Tax and Budget Reporting Message-ID: Hi, My apologies if this has been asked in the past, haven't been able to find in the archives. We have had a great experience breaking out our tax spending from regular spending, given as a charity we receive rebates on our tax costs. However, a challenge is in our budgeting and reporting. Previously, we included taxes and the actual spend in budgeting and reporting in the same line item. Now it it is in separate lines. For example, previously we would budget/report we spent $113 on line X - $100 for the item itself, $13 in taxes (I'm in Canada). It's helpful showing the $13 spent in taxes, but on the majority of reports, I want to show $113 was spent on line X, particularly on budget reports. Anyone know how to make this happen? Thanks! From flywire0 at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 01:32:06 2021 From: flywire0 at gmail.com (flywire) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:32:06 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Tax and Budget Reporting Message-ID: Your reports show Expense:X and Asset:Tax Collected (but not reimbursed). Why do you want to budget for tax if it is reimbursed with a net cost of zero? From gnucash at acarver.net Wed Oct 6 03:52:18 2021 From: gnucash at acarver.net (AC) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 00:52:18 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: <6356584F-009C-42AF-A712-4481FFAEEC47@pbw.id.au> References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> <6356584F-009C-42AF-A712-4481FFAEEC47@pbw.id.au> Message-ID: <4cf74a50-5580-59ca-3906-3b0933808705@acarver.net> The main problem is that you can't have side-by-side installations on a Windows system (as has been pointed out to me). So upgrading the software means uninstalling the old one, installing the new one and, if anything goes wrong, reversing that entire process. A side-by-side install would let me run both to make sure no issues and then I can uninstall the older one later once I tested the new one. However, I think I have a workaround, I'll install a Linux guest VM (I already have other VMs running on the same box) and do the updates through the VM first reading in the data each time to save to the new formats. If all goes well I'll install the Windows version on the machine and move the newly converted data files back to the machine from the VM. On 2021-10-03 20:27, Peter West wrote: > I would disagree with ?don?t upgrade unless entirely necessary." Open source software (OSS) requires a different approach. Proprietary software offers guarantees of the support lifetime of the software you purchase, paid for by your money. The resources for development and support are very limited and voluntary. The benefits of OSS come with some implied responsibilities. > > Keep your software up-to-date. > Keep the installer for you current version of the software. When the next version is released, secure the backup of your date and install the new software. If something goes wrong, re-install the working version, restore your date, and report your problem. We recently had two successive install difficulties, for example. You don?t need to keep the dud installers, obviously. > > Keep an eye on the mailing list, and offer your suggestions to other users if yo think you know how to fix their problems. > > Peter > ? > Peter West > pbw at ehealth.id.au > ?The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.? > > >> On 3 Oct 2021, at 8:11 am, AC wrote: >> >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >> >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> -derek >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>>> I can see. >>>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>> >>>> >>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>>> the same way? >>>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>> update? >>>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>> one for every point version)? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gnucash.charity.user at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 08:14:00 2021 From: gnucash.charity.user at gmail.com (GnuCash Charity User) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 08:14:00 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Tax and Budget Reporting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry if I wasn't clear, don't need to budget for taxes themselves, but taxes included in line X. So if I budget $150, that's including tax paid, hence want ability to report combined. On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 01:32, flywire wrote: > Your reports show Expense:X and Asset:Tax Collected (but not reimbursed). > Why do you want to budget for tax if it is reimbursed with a net cost of > zero? > From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 6 08:58:50 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:58:50 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: <4cf74a50-5580-59ca-3906-3b0933808705@acarver.net> References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net> <17c430b3360.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> <6356584F-009C-42AF-A712-4481FFAEEC47@pbw.id.au> <4cf74a50-5580-59ca-3906-3b0933808705@acarver.net> Message-ID: Of course, the Windows installer takes care of uninstalling other versions for you, so upgrading or downgrading is a simple matter of running the appropriate exe. And if you retain the different versions' download files,? running them is simply a matter of double clicking the proper one. -------- Original Message -------- From: AC Sent: Wed Oct 06 03:52:18 EDT 2021 To: Peter West Cc: GnuCash users group , Derek Atkins Subject: Re: [GNC] Making the leap to latest The main problem is that you can't have side-by-side installations on a Windows system (as has been pointed out to me). So upgrading the software means uninstalling the old one, installing the new one and, if anything goes wrong, reversing that entire process. A side-by-side install would let me run both to make sure no issues and then I can uninstall the older one later once I tested the new one. However, I think I have a workaround, I'll install a Linux guest VM (I already have other VMs running on the same box) and do the updates through the VM first reading in the data each time to save to the new formats. If all goes well I'll install the Windows version on the machine and move the newly converted data files back to the machine from the VM. On 2021-10-03 20:27, Peter West wrote: > I would disagree with ?don?t upgrade unless entirely necessary." Open source software (OSS) requires a different approach. Proprietary software offers guarantees of the support lifetime of the software you purchase, paid for by your money. The resources for development and support are very limited and voluntary. The benefits of OSS come with some implied responsibilities. > > Keep your software up-to-date. > Keep the installer for you current version of the software. When the next version is released, secure the backup of your date and install the new software. If something goes wrong, re-install the working version, restore your date, and report your problem. We recently had two successive install difficulties, for example. You don?t need to keep the dud installers, obviously. > > Keep an eye on the mailing list, and offer your suggestions to other users if yo think you know how to fix their problems. > > Peter > ? > Peter West > pbw at ehealth.id.au > ?The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.? > > >> On 3 Oct 2021, at 8:11 am, AC wrote: >> >> I agree don't upgrade if not absolutely necessary but I will likely be >> replacing this computer in a few months so starting from a newer >> installation is much more likely to happen in that case. >> >> So you're saying I should be able to do three stages of 2.6.last, >> 3.x.last and then 4.x.last? >> >> Are there any big changes to basic functionality from 2.6 to 4.x? I'm >> making my way through the change logs but a lot of it is related to >> various features I don't use (at least that which I've read thus far). >> >> >> On 2021-10-02 15:06, Derek Atkins wrote: >>>> From 2.6.3 you will need to jump to 2.6.last, then 3.x, then 4.x >>> >>> At every version you should load your data file and then save it. >>> >>> While there is no requirement to upgrade, and "if it ain't broke, don't >>> fix it" may apply, if you have a system crash and need to rebuild your >>> system, it'll be easier to use recent versions. >>> >>> -derek >>> Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. >>> On October 2, 2021 5:56:23 PM AC wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I've been running along on 2.6.3 on Win 10. No issues to date that >>>> I can see. >>>> >>>> I know there's been various changes throughout the rest of the 2.x and >>>> 3.x series and we're now on 4.x which sparks some questions: >>>> >>>> >>>> Do I really need to update? I only use the basis ledgers for standard >>>> banking accounts, credit cards, loans, mutual funds; scheduled >>>> transactions; and basic reports (typically just the standard transaction >>>> report when I need a list for taxes). I don't use online transactions, >>>> imports, or business features. Can I assume that the basics still work >>>> the same way? >>>> >>>> If it's better for me to go ahead and update how painful will it be to >>>> update? >>>> >>>> I recall some suggestions previously about upgrading in increments and >>>> if that's the case how many increments am I going to need (hopefully not >>>> one for every point version)? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From boerner at t-online.de Wed Oct 6 10:25:41 2021 From: boerner at t-online.de (boerner at t-online.de) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:25:41 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config Message-ID: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> Hi, I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 from an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we both skipped 4.7 Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash along with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take care of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) persistently. So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the new preferences path in this situation. @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this information there. Best Thomas Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > Hi, > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > Hi, > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > ninja > > ninja install > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > > no > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > > etc > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres database. > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, date > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, date > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and feel > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > > the > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing a > > bug? > > > > Thanks > > Klaus > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From colinfarndt at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 13:16:32 2021 From: colinfarndt at gmail.com (Colin) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 10:16:32 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Cannot get current version from Flathub on Raspbian OS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81FCA112-C8E8-4099-8863-B32F9CEF870F@gmail.com> Thanks for looking into this John. If I read your message right, you?ve done everything you can - the issue is Flathub not updating their aarch64 build. My use on the RasPi is not mission critical, though I was confused because the Flathub page for GnuCash (https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.gnucash.GnuCash) shows the correct version. Thanks, Colin > On Oct 4, 2021, at 8:22 PM, gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: > > If you look at the top commit at https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/ > you'll see a little green check next to it. Hover on that check and it shows the three GitHub Actions that drive flathub publishing. They're build-aarch64, build-x86_64, and download-sources. All passed, meaning that there's an aarch64 build floating around somewhere, but all of the steps past pushing to that repo are automatic and somewhat opaque. > > Regards, > John Ralls From Fred at mandfb.me.uk Wed Oct 6 13:16:52 2021 From: Fred at mandfb.me.uk (Fred Bone) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:16:52 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Making the leap to latest In-Reply-To: <4cf74a50-5580-59ca-3906-3b0933808705@acarver.net> References: <2488df36-3469-7c30-309e-4bfd08b8cd8a@acarver.net>, <6356584F-009C-42AF-A712-4481FFAEEC47@pbw.id.au>, <4cf74a50-5580-59ca-3906-3b0933808705@acarver.net> Message-ID: <615DDA04.16167.1E98B4D@Fred.mandfb.me.uk> On 06 October 2021 at 0:52, AC said: > The main problem is that you can't have side-by-side installations on a > Windows system (as has been pointed out to me). But that doesn't mean you can't *run* two different versions From hoppo52 at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 21:33:00 2021 From: hoppo52 at gmail.com (Alan Hopkins) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:33:00 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Tax and Budget Reporting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there I may not have fully understood but you just run a transaction report on your bank accounts (select you bank accounts in Options)? That will give you deposits & withdrawals including tax. If you want to know the totals for specific accounts (eg donations) you can just filter that report by using the account filter in the options box. I hope that helps. Cheers Hop On 6/10/21 23:14, GnuCash Charity User wrote: Sorry if I wasn't clear, don't need to budget for taxes themselves, but taxes included in line X. So if I budget $150, that's including tax paid, hence want ability to report combined. On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 01:32, flywire [1] wrote: Your reports show Expense:X and Asset:Tax Collected (but not reimbursed). Why do you want to budget for tax if it is reimbursed with a net cost of zero? _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list [2]gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: [3]https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see [4]https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Ma iling_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. References 1. mailto:flywire0 at gmail.com 2. mailto:gnucash-user at gnucash.org 3. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user 4. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Thu Oct 7 03:29:53 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:29:53 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> Message-ID: <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Hi Thomas, Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. Regards, Geert Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > Hi, > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 from > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > both skipped 4.7 > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash along > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take care > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) persistently. > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the new > preferences path in this situation. > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > information there. > > Best > Thomas > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > Hi, > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > Hi, > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > ninja > > > ninja install > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > > > no > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > > > etc > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > database. > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > date > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, > > > date > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > feel > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > > > the > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing > > > a > > > bug? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Klaus > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From boerner at t-online.de Thu Oct 7 05:17:03 2021 From: boerner at t-online.de (Thomas Boerner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:17:03 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <5503355.DvuYhMxLoT@majestix.boerner.local> Thanks Geert, done. Regards, Thomas Am Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2021, 09:29:53 CEST schrieb Geert Janssens: > Hi Thomas, > > Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > > Hi, > > > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 from > > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > > both skipped 4.7 > > > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash along > > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take care > > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) persistently. > > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the new > > preferences path in this situation. > > > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > > information there. > > > > Best > > Thomas > > > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging > > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > Hi, > > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > > ninja > > > > ninja install > > > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > > > > no > > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > > > > etc > > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > > database. > > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > > date > > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, > > > > date > > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > > feel > > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > > > > the > > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing > > > > a > > > > bug? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Klaus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 05:50:46 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 19:50:46 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <39a5fc37b0b2af4db307fb7f5ce45b6f314e50d7.camel@gmail.com> Hi Geert, For your info if it will help diagnose problems on other Linux systems. As far as I cn tell GunCash 4.8 is reading the preferences when they exist on Linux Mint 20.2. I up graded from 4.6 via a patched version of 4.7 and then to 4.8 with a further patch suggested by John. Both 4.7 and 4.8 built from scratch from the downloaded tarball. These still show up under .local/share/gnucash/ for the books reports etc and .config/gnucash for the gtk style sheets. The file modifications times and dates indicate changes (I deliberately changed a few setting exited and then restarted and then changed them back). I am presuming the /org/gnucash/GnuCash translates to these locations during installation as I cannot find any such directories on my computer. David On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 09:29 +0200, Geert Janssens wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > > Hi, > > > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 from > > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > > both skipped 4.7 > > > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash along > > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take care > > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) persistently. > > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the new > > preferences path in this situation. > > > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > > information there. > > > > Best > > Thomas > > > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging > > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > Hi, > > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > > ninja > > > > ninja install > > > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > > > > no > > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > > > > etc > > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > > database. > > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > > date > > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, > > > > date > > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > > feel > > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > > > > the > > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing > > > > a > > > > bug? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Klaus > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Thu Oct 7 08:07:40 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 14:07:40 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <39a5fc37b0b2af4db307fb7f5ce45b6f314e50d7.camel@gmail.com> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <39a5fc37b0b2af4db307fb7f5ce45b6f314e50d7.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4349939.LvFx2qVVIh@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Hi David, Thanks for the feedback. It also works fine on my Fedora 34 box. And at this point I don't see reason yet to believe the intermediate step via 4.7 is required. The bug hunt will hopefully give more details. As for the /org/gnucash/GnuCash path, that's a virtual path, not a filesystem one. It's how preferences are organised hierarchically inside GSettings. Every application is supposed to generate the three-component "prefix" consisting of /org// and under that prefix all preferences for that particular application can then be structured. You will find this structure for example by opening dconf-editor on linux systems (provided gnucash is installed in the default prefix /usr or /usr/local; if not, you'll have to manipulate the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable to include /share in the search path). Regards, Geert Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 11:50:46 CEST schreef davidcousens49 at gmail.com: > Hi Geert, > > For your info if it will help diagnose problems on other Linux systems. As > far as I cn tell GunCash 4.8 is reading the preferences when they exist on > Linux Mint 20.2. I up graded from 4.6 via a patched version of 4.7 and then > to 4.8 with a further patch suggested by John. Both 4.7 and 4.8 built from > scratch from the downloaded tarball. These still show up under > .local/share/gnucash/ for the books reports etc and .config/gnucash for the > gtk style sheets. The file modifications times and dates indicate changes > (I deliberately changed a few setting exited and then restarted and then > changed them back). I am presuming the /org/gnucash/GnuCash translates to > these locations during installation as I cannot find any such directories > on my computer. > > David > > On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 09:29 +0200, Geert Janssens wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > > > Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 > > > from > > > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > > > both skipped 4.7 > > > > > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash > > > along > > > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take > > > care > > > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > > > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > > > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > > > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) > > > persistently. > > > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the > > > new > > > preferences path in this situation. > > > > > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > > > information there. > > > > > > Best > > > Thomas > > > > > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on > > > > debugging > > > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > > > ninja > > > > > ninja install > > > > > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came > > > > > up: > > > > > no > > > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, > > > > > register > > > > > etc > > > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > > > database. > > > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > > > date > > > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences > > > > > as > > > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to > > > > > Er, > > > > > date > > > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > > > feel > > > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources > > > > > by > > > > > the > > > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth > > > > > filing > > > > > a > > > > > bug? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Klaus > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > > > > ----- > > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From boerner at t-online.de Thu Oct 7 08:15:57 2021 From: boerner at t-online.de (Thomas Boerner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 14:15:57 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <4349939.LvFx2qVVIh@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> <39a5fc37b0b2af4db307fb7f5ce45b6f314e50d7.camel@gmail.com> <4349939.LvFx2qVVIh@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <4657181.GXAFRqVoOG@majestix.boerner.local> Hi Geert, can it be a file acces issue? According to the trace file Gnucash cannot access the new preferences path properly. Regards, Thomas Am Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2021, 14:07:40 CEST schrieb Geert Janssens: > Hi David, > > Thanks for the feedback. It also works fine on my Fedora 34 box. And at this > point I don't see reason yet to believe the intermediate step via 4.7 is > required. The bug hunt will hopefully give more details. > > As for the /org/gnucash/GnuCash path, that's a virtual path, not a filesystem > one. It's how preferences are organised hierarchically inside GSettings. Every > application is supposed to generate the three-component "prefix" consisting of > /org// and under that prefix all preferences for > that particular application can then be structured. You will find this > structure for example by opening dconf-editor on linux systems (provided > gnucash is installed in the default prefix /usr or /usr/local; if not, you'll > have to manipulate the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable to include prefix>/share in the search path). > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 11:50:46 CEST schreef davidcousens49 at gmail.com: > > Hi Geert, > > > > For your info if it will help diagnose problems on other Linux systems. As > > far as I cn tell GunCash 4.8 is reading the preferences when they exist on > > Linux Mint 20.2. I up graded from 4.6 via a patched version of 4.7 and then > > to 4.8 with a further patch suggested by John. Both 4.7 and 4.8 built from > > scratch from the downloaded tarball. These still show up under > > .local/share/gnucash/ for the books reports etc and .config/gnucash for the > > gtk style sheets. The file modifications times and dates indicate changes > > (I deliberately changed a few setting exited and then restarted and then > > changed them back). I am presuming the /org/gnucash/GnuCash translates to > > these locations during installation as I cannot find any such directories > > on my computer. > > > > David > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 09:29 +0200, Geert Janssens wrote: > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 > > > > from > > > > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > > > > both skipped 4.7 > > > > > > > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash > > > > along > > > > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take > > > > care > > > > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > > > > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > > > > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > > > > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) > > > > persistently. > > > > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the > > > > new > > > > preferences path in this situation. > > > > > > > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > > > > information there. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on > > > > > debugging > > > > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > > > > ninja > > > > > > ninja install > > > > > > > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came > > > > > > up: > > > > > > no > > > > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, > > > > > > register > > > > > > etc > > > > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > > > > database. > > > > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > > > > date > > > > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences > > > > > > as > > > > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to > > > > > > Er, > > > > > > date > > > > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > > > > feel > > > > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources > > > > > > by > > > > > > the > > > > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth > > > > > > filing > > > > > > a > > > > > > bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Klaus > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Thu Oct 7 09:57:48 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:57:48 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions In-Reply-To: <2d973cbe-190c-7d9a-ca49-d03badb726ea@gmail.com> References: <000401d7b870$62014fa0$2603eee0$@usa.net> <000601d7b9f4$ca6cdd90$5f4698b0$@usa.net> <2d973cbe-190c-7d9a-ca49-d03badb726ea@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002901d7bb83$509ceb50$f1d6c1f0$@usa.net> I tested the other two files last night and the result is different in 4.8 compared to 4.4 of gnucash. I need to narrow down for which account it did not import correctly and see if it is encountering the bug (id=798327) that was just fixed. From: Jean L Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2021 11:24 AM To: Kalpesh Patel ; 'john' Cc: 'Robin Chattopadhyay' ; 'Gnucash Users' Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions Thanks! That's good news! J. On 10/5/2021 7:25 AM, Kalpesh Patel wrote: I loaded up 4.8 version of GnuCash on another computer last night and imported one of the file that is most complex that had failed to import properly on 4.5 version of GnuCash. Good news is that where I was seeing 4.5 failing to import all transactions appears to be fixed in 4.8 and loaded all transactions properly. I imported same file in both, version 4.4 where it is known to work correctly, and in 4.8 and they both give the same end results after importing them into a clean new files. I will test out two more files which are not as complex as the one that is already tried one. Only case I am not able to test is the one with multiple accounts in the same ofx file where it is part of the same session. I will be testing multiple ofx files concatenated into a single file and import it in to see the end results. I?ll report back. From: Roger Moore Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2021 11:50 PM To: john Cc: Robin Chattopadhyay ; Kalpesh Patel ; Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions There was indeed a bug so I opened https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798327 and created a PR with a simple fix. I verified that on the file that Robin provided the import continues as expected for all 11 securities. On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 2:21 PM john > wrote: That sounds like https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798208 , which is fixed in GnuCash 4.8. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Robin Chattopadhyay > wrote: > > Yes, I'm familiar with that issue as well as my spouse's 401K OFX has fee > transactions where shares are sold to pay plan expenses, but those > transactions appear only as cash withdrawals and the sale transactions do > not get imported. > > That one doesn't bother me as much because it's one transaction per month > vs 9 every two weeks. > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 11:04 AM Kalpesh Patel > wrote: > >> The issues that you are seeing I believe has to do with changes that OFX >> introduced in libofx which has been included since 4.5 and above version of >> GnuCash. FWIW, I am running on Windows 10 Pro desktop but that likely >> doesn't matter when it comes to core functionality. >> >> I also had problems where some of transactions would not get imported in >> from an OFX file and these transactions I deduced from trial and error are >> specifically if they are related to deposit and withdrawal of cash in Stock >> or Mutual Fund account. I am not sure if this is the behavior on your end >> or >> not but it sounds like it. This might be because libofx author may have >> changed philosophy and its implementation where cash in and out are not >> considered investment transactions such as buy and sell of a stock, bond, >> mutual fund, etc. >> >> Because of that I have stayed at GnuCash 4.4 (specifically Build ID: >> 4.4+(2020-12-28) for Windows) which I have known to properly import >> brokerage created OFX files for import. I've reached out to the author of >> libofx for understanding and I am still waiting to hear back from them. >> >> It may be worth a shot to install that version and see if it imports OFX >> correctly. If you have a blank file then it should ask for appropriate >> input >> via dialogue box such as creation of "securities", corresponding >> "brokerage" >> account, etc. You can then go back and edit those "security" and enable >> download of prices using Finance::Quote Perl module with yahoo_jason as the >> source for it if you want to automate it. >> >> For FWIW, GnuCash 4.5 on windows used to crash when 'Actions' --> 'Check & >> Repair' --> 'Check & Repair All' would be selected to run which I do now >> and >> then to make sure that my xml based file is in good shape (this is carry >> over habit from Quicken as it was known to corrupt files). >> >> This may not be the answer you are looking for but hope this helps a bit. >> >> Kalpesh... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 10:58:44 -0500 >> From: Robin Chattopadhyay > >> To: Gnucash Users > >> Subject: [GNC] OFX Import with Investment Transactions >> Message-ID: >> > 7Jjed1Oqxw_jPqssxjxG1Q at mail.gmail.com > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (VMWare virtual machine in case that matters) Gnucash 4.8 >> libofx 0.9.15 >> >> I tried importing an OFX file from my 401K provider this morning and I got >> a >> message box that said it had imported 2 transactions for a single security >> in the file and there were no additional transactions to process. >> This was incorrect as there were 18 new transactions across nine securities >> (along with a number of other transactions that had already been imported >> previously). >> >> I tried a number of things to resolve (after taking a backup, of course): >> 1 - Tools > Import Map Editor and deleted all of the associations for this >> file. When I re-imported, I was prompted to map each security in the file >> to >> the correct account. No issues there. But when importing the OFX file >> again, >> I had the same experience as described above >> 2 - Created a blank file and attempted to import the file there. Through >> the >> import process, I created new securities and new accounts, nothing >> unexpected there. Then the generic transaction importer dialog popped up, >> but with just the two transactions for the same security cited in the >> original problem dialog. I imported those, clicked OK and then the generic >> transaction importer dialog came up *again* but only with transactions for >> a >> single, different security. I imported those and repeated the process for >> each security with transactions in the file. Each time the generic >> transaction importer dialog came up, it only had transactions for a single >> security. This is definitely new behavior that I didn't see in 4.6. >> Previously the import dialog had all the new transactions in the file >> 3 - Reverted to 4.7. Crashed when selecting Import from the File menu >> (Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped). Not unexpected, but thought I would >> try anyway. >> 4 - Reverted to 4.6. This works as it used to with all the new transactions >> in a single dialog >> >> Finally, I don't know if this matters, but I scanned stdout from the >> build/make/install process to see if anything looked obviously wrong and I >> found this (I don't know if it's relevant): >> >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 >> -- Performing Test HAVE_OFX_BUG_39 - Failed >> >> Thanks, >> Robin >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From boerner at t-online.de Thu Oct 7 11:54:40 2021 From: boerner at t-online.de (Thomas Boerner) Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 17:54:40 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <5503355.DvuYhMxLoT@majestix.boerner.local> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <5503355.DvuYhMxLoT@majestix.boerner.local> Message-ID: <2795541.e9J7NaK4W3@majestix.boerner.local> The bug no. is 798330 https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798330 Am Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2021, 11:17:03 CEST schrieb Thomas Boerner: > Thanks Geert, done. > Regards, Thomas > > Am Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2021, 09:29:53 CEST schrieb Geert Janssens: > > Hi Thomas, > > > > Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 from > > > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > > > both skipped 4.7 > > > > > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash along > > > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take care > > > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > > > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > > > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > > > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) persistently. > > > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the new > > > preferences path in this situation. > > > > > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > > > information there. > > > > > > Best > > > Thomas > > > > > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging > > > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > > > ninja > > > > > ninja install > > > > > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > > > > > no > > > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > > > > > etc > > > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > > > database. > > > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > > > date > > > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > > > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, > > > > > date > > > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > > > feel > > > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > > > > > the > > > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing > > > > > a > > > > > bug? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Klaus > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From alspachde at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 13:11:21 2021 From: alspachde at gmail.com (Dale Alspach) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:11:21 -0500 Subject: [GNC] QFX Import in 4.8 Message-ID: This is for the flatpak install of version 4.8 on linux mint. I just downloaded transactions from TIAA and when I imported, I was presented with a sequence of 16 screens (some containing only 1 line) that I had to OK. Each screen had transactions for a single security. I much prefer getting a single screen with multiple lines as in earlier versions. Is there an option somewhere to revert to the earlier behavior? Dale From ripngo at gmail.com Thu Oct 7 13:32:34 2021 From: ripngo at gmail.com (Jean Laroche) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 10:32:34 -0700 Subject: [GNC] QFX Import in 4.8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e4e6a15-054d-9c98-edf6-fd37d0a13fec@gmail.com> No, there isn't such an option at this time. I agree that that's an annoying side effect of a change that was added for this version to fix an import bug. I think I'll have to fix this. Jean On 10/7/21 10:11 AM, Dale Alspach wrote: > This is for the flatpak install of version 4.8 on linux mint. > I just downloaded transactions from TIAA and when I imported, I was > presented with a sequence of 16 screens (some containing only 1 line) that > I had to OK. Each screen had transactions for a single security. I much > prefer getting a single screen with multiple lines as in earlier versions. > Is there an option somewhere to revert to the earlier behavior? > Dale > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From dgpickett at aol.com Thu Oct 7 14:10:55 2021 From: dgpickett at aol.com (David G. Pickett) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 18:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> Can't GNUCash find an open source web app that does structured forums in place of email full on copied replies upon replies in a long, unstructured text string?? I the 90's I used a MULTICS app called forum that: - kept track of which discussions were new to me and? - for those that were old, my high water mark and? - if any new posts had occurred.?? - I could go from topic to topic,? - in chronological order by age of topic, - read new posts only,? - one at a time,? - in chronological post order within the topic, and? - take myself off the topic? - quite efficiently. There must be open source web apps out there to do this, in lieu of this email thing!? A daily reminder summary of new and replied topics would then suffice. From list+gnucash at jdlh.com Thu Oct 7 15:42:08 2021 From: list+gnucash at jdlh.com (Jim DeLaHunt) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 12:42:08 -0700 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> On 2021-10-07 11:10, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > Can't GNUCash find an open source web app that does structured forums in place of email full on copied replies upon replies in a long, unstructured text string?? I the 90's I used a MULTICS app called forum that? [did all kinds of wonderful things]?. > There must be open source web apps out there to do this, in lieu of this email thing!? A daily reminder summary of new and replied topics would then suffice. David: I sympathise with your frustration. Just about every project I participate in needs to find a way to communicate. Nearly every project which tries email encounters the drawback you experience. The MULTICS app "forum" sounds wonderful. However, next to its advantages, I'll bet it had a few drawbacks: 1. everyone had to connect to the same forum site to participate in the discussion, 2. someone had to be system administrator for the forum site, 3. the format might have worked well for you, but it did not work well for some other people. Forums and email lists are two different approaches to meeting the same communications need. They have complementary strengths and weaknesses. Each approach works better for some people and worse for others. The corresponding advantages of an email list over a forum are: 1. the discussion comes to each person's email inbox, 2. it is less work to be system administrator for an email list than for a forum, 3. the format works well for some people who don't like the forum format. That said, in the other projects I visit, the forum software called Discourse currently seems the best-designed option widely available. One of its strengths is that you can sort of interact with it via email threads if you want to. I predict that we could have a big discussion about the pros and cons of email lists and forums, and we would end up without a resolution; we would discover that no one option works for everyone. Best regards, ???? ?Jim DeLaHunt From the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm Thu Oct 7 19:28:36 2021 From: the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm (Stan Brown) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 16:28:36 -0700 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> Message-ID: <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> > On 2021-10-07 11:10, David G. Pickett via gnucash-user wrote: > >> Can't GNUCash find an open source web app that does structured forums >> in place of email full on copied replies upon replies in a long, >> unstructured text string? You do know that you can select individual messages rather than so-called daily digest,(*) right? Both formats are a pain IMHO, but individual messages are slightly less of a pain since I can sort by date within subject line. (*) I initially subscribed to daily digest, but got three or four digests most days, so I had the worst of both worlds. On 2021-10-07 12:42, Jim DeLaHunt wrote: > I predict that we could have a big discussion about the pros and cons of > email lists and forums, and we would end up without a resolution; we > would discover that no one option works for everyone. Of course there's Usenet, which doesn't require everyone to connect to the same site, automatically keeps related messages together, allows anyone to mute threads that aren't interesting to that person, and requires literally _zero_ work to administer. (In fairness, one does need a Usenet client, though some email programs do a not-awful job of as Usenet clients.) But Google set out to kill it 15 or 20 years ago, and has nearly completely done so. -- Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com From jcf_m_lists at me.com Thu Oct 7 19:39:20 2021 From: jcf_m_lists at me.com (Jack Frillman) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 19:39:20 -0400 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> > Of course there's Usenet, which doesn't require everyone to connect to Usenet is still active? I though it died years ago. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous From jeandavid8 at verizon.net Thu Oct 7 21:51:00 2021 From: jeandavid8 at verizon.net (Jean-David Beyer) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 21:51:00 -0400 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> Message-ID: On 10/7/21 7:39 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > Usenet is still active? > I though it died years ago. MY ISP is Verizon. Originally, it had Usenet servers to supply all newsgroups. Then, at no decrease in cost, they supplied only the big-5 newsgroup categories. Later, they discontinued ll newsgroups, still with no reduction in cost. So I signed up with an outfit that supplied Usenet, but they disappeared a few months ago. I noticed that Usenet, or at least the newsgroups I was signed up for, had less and less of interest anyway, so I have not looked for another Usenet supplier. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer /V\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey /( )\ Red Hat Enterprise Linux ^^-^^ up 1 week, 10 hours, 30 minutes From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 00:02:58 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 23:02:58 -0500 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> Message-ID: ARPANET? On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jean-David Beyer via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > On 10/7/21 7:39 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > > Usenet is still active? > > I though it died years ago. > > MY ISP is Verizon. Originally, it had Usenet servers to supply all > newsgroups. Then, at no decrease in cost, they supplied only the big-5 > newsgroup categories. Later, they discontinued ll newsgroups, still with > no reduction in cost. So I signed up with an outfit that supplied > Usenet, but they disappeared a few months ago. I noticed that Usenet, or > at least the newsgroups I was signed up for, had less and less of > interest anyway, so I have not looked for another Usenet supplier. > > -- > .~. Jean-David Beyer > /V\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey > /( )\ Red Hat Enterprise Linux > ^^-^^ up 1 week, 10 hours, 30 minutes > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson From hellvee at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 02:28:04 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 16:28:04 +1000 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> Message-ID: Skynet :-) On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 14:04, David Carlson wrote: > ARPANET? > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jean-David Beyer via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > > > On 10/7/21 7:39 PM, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > > > Usenet is still active? > > > I though it died years ago. > > > > MY ISP is Verizon. Originally, it had Usenet servers to supply all > > newsgroups. Then, at no decrease in cost, they supplied only the big-5 > > newsgroup categories. Later, they discontinued ll newsgroups, still with > > no reduction in cost. So I signed up with an outfit that supplied > > Usenet, but they disappeared a few months ago. I noticed that Usenet, or > > at least the newsgroups I was signed up for, had less and less of > > interest anyway, so I have not looked for another Usenet supplier. > > > > -- > > .~. Jean-David Beyer > > /V\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey > > /( )\ Red Hat Enterprise Linux > > ^^-^^ up 1 week, 10 hours, 30 minutes > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > -- > David Carlson > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 8 03:08:02 2021 From: the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm (Stan Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 00:08:02 -0700 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> Message-ID: <932ffb92-33f7-541c-c536-ae793288d71b@fastmail.fm> On 2021-10-07 16:39, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > >> Of course there's Usenet, which doesn't require everyone to connect to > > Usenet is still active? > I though it died years ago. No, Google did its best to destroy it in favor of Google Groups. most formerly active newsgroups are moribund, but some are still quite active: misc.taxes.moderated, for instance. Most ISPs gradually cut back their Usenet support and eventually terminated it -- without lowering their price for the loss of amenity, as another poster noted. There are a number of independent free or fee-based Usenet servers. I use news.individual.net at 10 euros a year; it carries every text-based newsgroup, if I am not mistaken. New groups still appear occasionally, for instance Thunderbird and Firefox peer support groups after Mozilla decommissioned its own captive newsgroups. Anyone could start a GnuCash group, but I wouldn't do it without some level of consensus in the mailing list.) -- Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Fri Oct 8 04:14:31 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 10:14:31 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: References: <20211004230613.c1c2218ec662346deca57be2@gmx.de> <5510146.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <5509587.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Hi Klaus, the delay is no problem. However please remember to keep the conversation on-list... Before I redirect you to a bug, a few questions: did you build in an empty build directory and install in an empty install directory ? There may be interference from an older install. Or, do you have another version of gnucash installed (perhaps installed via pacman) ? Regards, Geert Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 22:00:28 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > Hi Geert, > sorry for teh delay, was busy the lst two dayss. Anyhw, I read that a bug is > filed by now and I am happy to give a helping hand here in root cause > analyses. > Best regards > Klaus > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 05. Oktober 2021 um 12:21 Uhr > Von: "Geert Janssens" > An: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Cc: "Klaus Dahlke" > Betreff: Re: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config > Hi, > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > Hi, > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > ninja > > ninja install > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > > no > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > > etc > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres database. > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, date > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, date > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and feel > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > > the > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing a > > bug? > > > > Thanks > > Klaus > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From gerrit.holl at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 04:16:32 2021 From: gerrit.holl at gmail.com (Gerrit Holl) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:16:32 +0200 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 21:42, Jim DeLaHunt wrote: > I predict that we could have a big discussion about the pros and cons of > email lists and forums, and we would end up without a resolution; we > would discover that no one option works for everyone. For what it's worth, there are also ~280 questions on gnucash on money.stackexchange.com, a site run by a commercial company (best known for Stack Overflow) but with user contributions licensed CC-BY-SA. https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/gnucash The Q&A form in general and stackexchange specifically have their own pros and cons compared to forums or email; in my opinion, all three are complementary (as is chat). Gerrit. From hellvee at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 04:27:22 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 18:27:22 +1000 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> Message-ID: There's also a Gnucash Reddit that is active at https://www.reddit.com/r/GnuCash/ Cheers David H. On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 18:19, Gerrit Holl wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 21:42, Jim DeLaHunt wrote: > > > I predict that we could have a big discussion about the pros and cons of > > email lists and forums, and we would end up without a resolution; we > > would discover that no one option works for everyone. > > For what it's worth, there are also ~280 questions on gnucash on > money.stackexchange.com, a site run by a commercial company (best > known for Stack Overflow) but with user contributions licensed > CC-BY-SA. https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/gnucash > > The Q&A form in general and stackexchange specifically have their own > pros and cons compared to forums or email; in my opinion, all three > are complementary (as is chat). > > Gerrit. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gour at atmarama.com Fri Oct 8 05:29:40 2021 From: gour at atmarama.com (=?UTF-8?B?U2HFoWEgSmFuacWha2E=?=) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:29:40 +0200 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> <932ffb92-33f7-541c-c536-ae793288d71b@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20211008112940.769ed7fe@atmarama.ddns.net> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 00:08:02 -0700 Stan Brown wrote: > No, Google did its best to destroy it in favor of Google Groups. most > formerly active newsgroups are moribund, but some are still quite > active: misc.taxes.moderated, for instance. Following this mailing list via news.gmane.io and no need for anything else. ;) Sincerely, Gour -- Many, many births both you and I have passed. I can remember all of them, but you cannot, O subduer of the enemy! From heller at deepsoft.com Fri Oct 8 07:42:28 2021 From: heller at deepsoft.com (Robert Heller) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 07:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <932ffb92-33f7-541c-c536-ae793288d71b@fastmail.fm> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com>? <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com>? <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com>? <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm>? <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> <932ffb92-33f7-541c-c536-ae793288d71b@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20211008114228.632B722298B@sharky4.deepsoft.com> At Fri, 8 Oct 2021 00:08:02 -0700 Stan Brown wrote: > > > On 2021-10-07 16:39, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > > > >> Of course there's Usenet, which doesn't require everyone to connect to > > > > Usenet is still active? > > I though it died years ago. > > No, Google did its best to destroy it in favor of Google Groups. most > formerly active newsgroups are moribund, but some are still quite > active: misc.taxes.moderated, for instance. > > Most ISPs gradually cut back their Usenet support and eventually > terminated it -- without lowering their price for the loss of amenity, > as another poster noted. There are a number of independent free or > fee-based Usenet servers. I use news.individual.net at 10 euros a year; > it carries every text-based newsgroup, if I am not mistaken. There is also GigiNews (US$4.99/month). > > New groups still appear occasionally, for instance Thunderbird and > Firefox peer support groups after Mozilla decommissioned its own captive > newsgroups. Anyone could start a GnuCash group, but I wouldn't do it > without some level of consensus in the mailing list.) > -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software -- Custom Software Services http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Linux Administration Services heller at deepsoft.com -- Webhosting Services From boerner at t-online.de Fri Oct 8 09:53:31 2021 From: boerner at t-online.de (Thomas Boerner) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 15:53:31 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <5509587.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <20211004230613.c1c2218ec662346deca57be2@gmx.de> <5509587.DvuYhMxLoT@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <7972299.T7Z3S40VBb@majestix.boerner.local> Hey Klaus, In my case it was enough to set the environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS to its correct value. See also https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798330 Cheers, Thomas Am Freitag, 8. Oktober 2021, 10:14:31 CEST schrieb Geert Janssens: > Hi Klaus, the delay is no problem. However please remember to keep the > conversation on-list... > > Before I redirect you to a bug, a few questions: did you build in an empty > build directory and install in an empty install directory ? There may be > interference from an older install. > Or, do you have another version of gnucash installed (perhaps installed via > pacman) ? > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 22:00:28 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > Hi Geert, > > sorry for teh delay, was busy the lst two dayss. Anyhw, I read that a bug is > > filed by now and I am happy to give a helping hand here in root cause > > analyses. > > Best regards > > Klaus > > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 05. Oktober 2021 um 12:21 Uhr > > Von: "Geert Janssens" > > An: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > Cc: "Klaus Dahlke" > > Betreff: Re: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config > > Hi, > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on debugging > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > Hi, > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > ninja > > > ninja install > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came up: > > > no > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, register > > > etc > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres database. > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, date > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences as > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to Er, date > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and feel > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources by > > > the > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth filing a > > > bug? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Klaus > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm Fri Oct 8 13:42:39 2021 From: the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm (Stan Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:42:39 -0700 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> Message-ID: <9e021891-ea92-29ff-6049-9a3459e9c3c5@fastmail.fm> On 2021-10-08 01:16, Gerrit Holl wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 21:42, Jim DeLaHunt wrote: > >> I predict that we could have a big discussion about the pros and cons of >> email lists and forums, and we would end up without a resolution; we >> would discover that no one option works for everyone. > > For what it's worth, there are also ~280 questions on gnucash on > money.stackexchange.com, a site run by a commercial company (best > known for Stack Overflow) but with user contributions licensed > CC-BY-SA. https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/gnucash > > The Q&A form in general and stackexchange specifically have their own > pros and cons compared to forums or email; in my opinion, all three > are complementary (as is chat). I have a lot of respect for StackExchange. Their system seems to result in incorrect answers getting corrected fairly quickly. Quite often when I google a technical question a StackExchange is near the top of results, and it's nearly always helpful. -- Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Fri Oct 8 09:16:10 2021 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:16:10 -0500 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <20211008114228.632B722298B@sharky4.deepsoft.com> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> <932ffb92-33f7-541c-c536-ae793288d71b@fastmail.fm> <20211008114228.632B722298B@sharky4.deepsoft.com> Message-ID: <20211008131610.7t36mlhuozoowwn5@n0nb.us> * On 2021 08 Oct 06:43 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: > There is also GigiNews (US$4.99/month). I found https://www.aioe.org/ some years ago which gives access to text newsgroups and which I've used without issue, though I post very little. Toward the OP, one nice thing about email and mailing lists such as this is that the messages are often archived in multiple places. Web forum software is often not and depends on there being good backups in place for disaster recovery. I have seen Web forums disappear over the years and all the content with them so I regard them as less trustworthy and quite ephemeral and ill suited for technical/user discussions where access to archives years later is useful. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have received it in error, please advise me, the sender, by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments (including from your "Deleted Items" or "Trash" folder) without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: John Layman [mailto:john.layman at laymanandlayman.com] Sent: 10/04/2021 11:55 AM To: Benjamin Soffer ; gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: RE: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" The Billing Terms Editor merely allows you to maintain a table of differing terms. When an invoice is posted, the applicable terms are those specified in the Customer (or Vendor) record, which refers to an entry in the Billing Terms table. -----Original Message----- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of Benjamin Soffer Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:10 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" Hello, I am using version 3.8 for Windows. When I set the invoice "due" period in the Billing Terms Editor (for example 15 days), the system does not "remember" this setting when I post a new invoice. The due date remains the same as the post date, by default. Any suggestions? Ben _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From lemans4 at internode.on.net Fri Oct 8 19:25:20 2021 From: lemans4 at internode.on.net (Doug) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 10:25:20 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) Message-ID: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net> Hi, has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 July to 30 June. I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change the defaults. I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been using for years & love!) regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) -- From steve.welch.1 at icloud.com Fri Oct 8 20:57:35 2021 From: steve.welch.1 at icloud.com (Steve Welch) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 20:57:35 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble Message-ID: <68AE9640-7D9F-4028-8AD9-5B2B723E1380@icloud.com> Firstly, thanks to those who have offered advice already. I am still trying to get my Citi credit card transactions to download and having no success. I have tried what is in the Wiki, plus Colin?s suggestions and those posted previously by Nicholas Rood. When I request the account list from within the wizard, this is the log I get: 20:41:41 Sending request... 20:41:41 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. 20:41:41 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM:AEAD 20:41:41 Waiting for response... 20:41:41 Parsing response... 20:41:41 Status for signon request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Received account (no bank code)/(no account number) ((no bank name)/(no account name)) 20:41:41 Operation finished, you can now close this window. I have checked and double checked the various fields but can find no typos, etc. I am really at an impasse and about to give up. Because we use our credit card for most transactions, not having a simple, seamless download is a dealbreaker for our financial software. Any further ideas would be most welcome. Steve From hoppo52 at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 22:32:07 2021 From: hoppo52 at gmail.com (Alan Hopkins) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:32:07 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) In-Reply-To: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net> References: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511@gmail.com> Hi Doug Nice to hear from another Aussie PCLOS & GNUCash user! I have the same version of GNC as you (as that's what is in the repo!) - I haven't been using GNC for long but I set the accounting period in the Preferences as Absolute to 1st July 20 to 30 Jun 21 (ie last fin year) and it defaults the reports (Beginning & End of Accounting Period) to the correct dates. I will need to change that for this fin. year (and those that follow) as it is an absolute setting but I don't see that as problem. Another alternative would be to set the dates in the Report Options and then save that report configuration so when you use it the report has the default settings you want. But I guess you know all the above being a long-time GNC user! My thanks to the GNUCash gurus, facilitators & fixers - GNC is a terrific resource!! Cheers Hop On 9/10/21 10:25, Doug wrote: Hi, has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 July to 30 June. I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change the defa ults. I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been using for y ears & love!) regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) From cl at isbd.net Sat Oct 9 03:36:51 2021 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris Green) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 08:36:51 +0100 Subject: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. In-Reply-To: <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> References: <1779943339.214222.1633630255324.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1779943339.214222.1633630255324@mail.yahoo.com> <73875c2a-9dc7-bb1b-2b61-5985cefce83a@jdlh.com> <8334182e-f2cb-124e-5aed-821a74976aa4@fastmail.fm> <41e6fc42-30fd-cc5f-cefb-ed03a26cf0ce@me.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 07:39:20PM -0400, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > > > Of course there's Usenet, which doesn't require everyone to connect to > > Usenet is still active? > I though it died years ago. > That would be my favourite way to communicate. I'm still active on several Usenet newsgroups, one of the best and most active is uk.d-i-y. -- Chris Green From lemans4 at internode.on.net Sat Oct 9 08:37:22 2021 From: lemans4 at internode.on.net (Doug) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 23:37:22 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) In-Reply-To: <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511@gmail.com> References: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net> <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> Thanks Alan. Yes, knew that. I am certainly no accountant, but manage to bumble along. I think it might be possible to set the defaults in the setup file, but honestly have not looked. What I would like is to be able to define the Financial Year start/Financial Year end in setup so it always defaults to the current financial year ()which in Australia?s case is 1 July to 30 June). I wonder how many other countries have non-Calendar year Financial years? I guess the UK might copy us seeing we seem to copy their laws in our early days. regards, Doug n Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:32:07 +1100 Alan Hopkins wrote: > Hi Doug > > Nice to hear from another Aussie PCLOS & GNUCash user! > > I have the same version of GNC as you (as that's what is in the repo!) - I haven't been using GNC for long but I set the accounting period in the Preferences as Absolute to 1st July 20 to 30 Jun 21 (ie last fin year) and it defaults the reports (Beginning & End of Accounting Period) to the correct dates.? I will need to change that for this fin. year (and those that follow) as it is an absolute setting but I don't see that as problem. > > Another alternative would be to set the dates in the Report Options and then save that report configuration so when you use it the report has the default settings you want. > > But I guess you know all the above being a long-time GNC user! > > My thanks to the GNUCash gurus, facilitators & fixers - GNC is a terrific resource!! > > Cheers > > Hop > > On 9/10/21 10:25, Doug wrote: > Hi, > > has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? > > Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 July to 30 June. > > > > I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change the defaults. > > > > I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been using for years & love!) > > > > regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) > > > > > -- From jcf_m_lists at me.com Sat Oct 9 09:51:02 2021 From: jcf_m_lists at me.com (Jack Frillman) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:51:02 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again Message-ID: I'm having trouble entering a split transaction for a stock dividend & the tax that was withheld. The stock has a dividend of?? $10.13 Tax withheld is?? $1.52 This leaves a cash deposit of $8.61 in the parent brokerage account. How do I enter a split transaction that shows the dividend of $10.13, puts the tax of $1.52 into a tax tracking account and adds $8.61 to the cash balance in the parent brokerage account? As with a straight dividend I'm entering the main transaction in the parent brokerage account. No matter which way I try making these entry's I always have an amount added to the imbalance account or the $10.13 added to the cash balance. I have read GNU Cash Documentation on split transactions several times and I still can't figure this out. Thanks. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous From gmccollam at live.com Sat Oct 9 10:23:42 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:23:42 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This would be your entry: Parent Brokerage Account $8.61 Tax Account $1.52 Dividend Income Account $10.63 Hope this helps you and is clear. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 9:51 AM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again I'm having trouble entering a split transaction for a stock dividend & the tax that was withheld. The stock has a dividend of $10.13 Tax withheld is $1.52 This leaves a cash deposit of $8.61 in the parent brokerage account. How do I enter a split transaction that shows the dividend of $10.13, puts the tax of $1.52 into a tax tracking account and adds $8.61 to the cash balance in the parent brokerage account? As with a straight dividend I'm entering the main transaction in the parent brokerage account. No matter which way I try making these entry's I always have an amount added to the imbalance account or the $10.13 added to the cash balance. I have read GNU Cash Documentation on split transactions several times and I still can't figure this out. Thanks. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From maf at chilwell.net Sat Oct 9 10:23:46 2021 From: maf at chilwell.net (Maf. King) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 15:23:46 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) In-Reply-To: <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> References: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net> <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511@gmail.com> <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <37133679.J2Yia2DhmK@janus> Nothing so simple in the UK.... the HMRC annual period ends on 5th April each year... Not the most obvious date, I know. AIUI, It is all to to with a legacy from the Roman Empire, with Popes and Kings who thought they were more in charge in the year 15-so and so. (or maybe 13-so and so) Maf. On Saturday, 9 October 2021 13:37:22 BST Doug wrote: > Thanks Alan. Yes, knew that. I am certainly no accountant, but manage to > bumble along. > > I think it might be possible to set the defaults in the setup file, but > honestly have not looked. What I would like is to be able to define the > Financial Year start/Financial Year end in setup so it always defaults to > the current financial year ()which in Australia?s case is 1 July to 30 > June). > > I wonder how many other countries have non-Calendar year Financial years? I > guess the UK might copy us seeing we seem to copy their laws in our early > days. > > regards, Doug > > > n Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:32:07 +1100 > > Alan Hopkins wrote: > > Hi Doug > > > > Nice to hear from another Aussie PCLOS & GNUCash user! > > > > I have the same version of GNC as you (as that's what is in the repo!) - I > > haven't been using GNC for long but I set the accounting period in the > > Preferences as Absolute to 1st July 20 to 30 Jun 21 (ie last fin year) > > and it defaults the reports (Beginning & End of Accounting Period) to the > > correct dates. I will need to change that for this fin. year (and those > > that follow) as it is an absolute setting but I don't see that as > > problem. > > > > Another alternative would be to set the dates in the Report Options and > > then save that report configuration so when you use it the report has the > > default settings you want. > > > > But I guess you know all the above being a long-time GNC user! > > > > My thanks to the GNUCash gurus, facilitators & fixers - GNC is a terrific > > resource!! > > > > Cheers > > > > Hop > > > > On 9/10/21 10:25, Doug wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? > > > Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 > > > July to 30 June. > > > > > > I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change > > > the defaults. > > > > > > I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been > > > using for years & love!)> > > > > regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) From gmccollam at live.com Sat Oct 9 10:46:00 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:46:00 +0000 Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble In-Reply-To: <68AE9640-7D9F-4028-8AD9-5B2B723E1380@icloud.com> References: <68AE9640-7D9F-4028-8AD9-5B2B723E1380@icloud.com> Message-ID: I had a lot of trouble with Citi as well, But I got it working with the following settings: The Server url has the following added to the end of what you see in the screenshot "interface" minus the quotes so it is https://mobilesoa.citi.com/CitiOFXinterface. The first setup screen which is not shown here has my full name in the USER NAME field, m Citi user ID in the USER ID field, and an internet generated CLIENT UID. I don't know if the CLIENT UID is required, but I added it. I don't remember if it worked without it, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that CITI required it. I set this up within the last 2 weeks so the setting should work for you.[cid:2d2d11b9-a87e-46aa-8797-a0647785ca8c][cid:df7fd88f-dcee-441e-962d-49f33b375019] Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Steve Welch via gnucash-user Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 8:57 PM To: Gnucash-User Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble Firstly, thanks to those who have offered advice already. I am still trying to get my Citi credit card transactions to download and having no success. I have tried what is in the Wiki, plus Colin?s suggestions and those posted previously by Nicholas Rood. When I request the account list from within the wizard, this is the log I get: 20:41:41 Sending request... 20:41:41 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. 20:41:41 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM:AEAD 20:41:41 Waiting for response... 20:41:41 Parsing response... 20:41:41 Status for signon request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Received account (no bank code)/(no account number) ((no bank name)/(no account name)) 20:41:41 Operation finished, you can now close this window. I have checked and double checked the various fields but can find no typos, etc. I am really at an impasse and about to give up. Because we use our credit card for most transactions, not having a simple, seamless download is a dealbreaker for our financial software. Any further ideas would be most welcome. Steve _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. 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King: > Nothing so simple in the UK.... the HMRC annual period ends on 5th April each > year... > > Not the most obvious date, I know. AIUI, It is all to to with a legacy from > the Roman Empire, with Popes and Kings who thought they were more in charge in > the year 15-so and so. (or maybe 13-so and so) > > Maf. From Fred at mandfb.me.uk Sat Oct 9 10:53:45 2021 From: Fred at mandfb.me.uk (Fred Bone) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 15:53:45 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) In-Reply-To: <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> References: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net>, <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511@gmail.com>, <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6161ACF9.28525.7304B3@Fred.mandfb.me.uk> On 09 October 2021 at 23:37, Doug said: > Thanks Alan. Yes, knew that. I am certainly no accountant, but manage to > bumble along. > > I think it might be possible to set the defaults in the setup file, but > honestly have not looked. > What I would like is to be able to define the Financial Year > start/Financial Year end in setup so > it always defaults to the current financial year ()which in Australia?s > case is 1 July to 30 June). > > I wonder how many other countries have non-Calendar year Financial years? > I guess the UK might copy us > seeing we seem to copy their laws in our early days. The UK fiscal year end is the perfectly obvious 5 April. This was of course recently(*) adjusted from the original 25 March, being the first Quarter Day in the calendar year (the Quarters, naturally, being keyed to 25 December, Christmas Day). (*) 1752 From gmccollam at live.com Sat Oct 9 10:56:05 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:56:05 +0000 Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble In-Reply-To: <68AE9640-7D9F-4028-8AD9-5B2B723E1380@icloud.com> References: <68AE9640-7D9F-4028-8AD9-5B2B723E1380@icloud.com> Message-ID: Steve, I forgot to mention that you have to log into your CITI account online and select user profile, more settings, add desktop apps, add access. This gives you a ten-minute window to complete your setup. After setup, it did not show that I had access in this window, but today it does show Quicken Windows has access (not GNU Cash, but they don't show anything other than Quicken because that access is what GNU uses.) Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Steve Welch via gnucash-user Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 8:57 PM To: Gnucash-User Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble Firstly, thanks to those who have offered advice already. I am still trying to get my Citi credit card transactions to download and having no success. I have tried what is in the Wiki, plus Colin?s suggestions and those posted previously by Nicholas Rood. When I request the account list from within the wizard, this is the log I get: 20:41:41 Sending request... 20:41:41 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. 20:41:41 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM:AEAD 20:41:41 Waiting for response... 20:41:41 Parsing response... 20:41:41 Status for signon request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Received account (no bank code)/(no account number) ((no bank name)/(no account name)) 20:41:41 Operation finished, you can now close this window. I have checked and double checked the various fields but can find no typos, etc. I am really at an impasse and about to give up. Because we use our credit card for most transactions, not having a simple, seamless download is a dealbreaker for our financial software. Any further ideas would be most welcome. Steve _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From jcf_m_lists at me.com Sat Oct 9 11:46:14 2021 From: jcf_m_lists at me.com (Jack Frillman) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:46:14 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38e018b5-4e8c-7851-87cf-c3ed57da548b@me.com> Yes it was a big help. Thanks. On 10/9/21 10:23 AM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > This would be your entry: > > Parent Brokerage Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $8.61 > Tax Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $1.52 > Dividend Income Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?$10.63 > > Hope this helps you and is clear. > > Thank You, > *Gyle McCollam* > > Gyle McCollam > > 609.680.2326Mobile > > gmccollam at live.com email > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* gnucash-user > on behalf of Jack > Frillman via gnucash-user > *Sent:* Saturday, October 9, 2021 9:51 AM > *To:* gnucash-user at gnucash.org > *Subject:* [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again > > I'm having trouble entering a split transaction for a stock dividend & > the tax that was withheld. > > The stock has a dividend of?? $10.13 > Tax withheld is?? $1.52 > This leaves a cash deposit of $8.61 in the parent brokerage account. > > How do I enter a split transaction that shows the dividend of $10.13, > puts the tax of $1.52 into a tax tracking account and adds $8.61 to the > cash balance in the parent brokerage account? > > As with a straight dividend I'm entering the main transaction in the > parent brokerage account. > > No matter which way I try making these entry's I always have an amount > added to the imbalance account or the $10.13 added to the cash balance. > I have read GNU Cash Documentation on split transactions several times > and I still can't figure this out. > > Thanks. > > > -- > Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null > - Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Sat Oct 9 12:32:15 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 12:32:15 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble Message-ID: <231ZJiqfP4000Set.1633797135@web06.cms.usa.net> Doesn't Citi requires validation steps in States? I believe they can be found under "Profile" --> "More Settings" --> "App with Account Access" in their web portal. I had it working at one time with following settings: -> "User Settings": User Name: User id: Client UUID: -> "Bank Settings": Bank Name: Citi Credit Card Broker Id: FID: 24909 ORG: Citigroup Server URL: https://mobilesoa.citi.com/CitiOFXInterface -> "Application Setting": Emulation Application: --select-- Application ID: QWIN Application Version: 200 Header Version: 100 See if any of that helps. Kalpesh... ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 10:49:38 AM EDT From: gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 27 > Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: OFX - Citi Setup Trouble (Gyle McCollam) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:46:00 +0000 > From: Gyle McCollam > To: Steve Welch > Cc: "gnucash-user at gnucash.org" > Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > I had a lot of trouble with Citi as well, But I got it working with the following settings: > The Server url has the following added to the end of what you see in the screenshot "interface" minus the quotes so it is https://mobilesoa.citi.com/CitiOFXinterface. > > The first setup screen which is not shown here has my full name in the USER NAME field, m Citi user ID in the USER ID field, and an internet generated CLIENT UID. I don't know if the CLIENT UID is required, but I added it. I don't remember if it worked without it, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that CITI required it. I set this up within the last 2 weeks so the setting should work for you.[cid:2d2d11b9-a87e-46aa-8797-a0647785ca8c][cid:df7fd88f-dcee-441e-962d-49f33b375019] > > > > Thank You, > Gyle McCollam > > Gyle McCollam > > 609.680.2326 Mobile > > gmccollam at live.com email > > ________________________________ > From: gnucash-user on behalf of Steve Welch via gnucash-user > Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 8:57 PM > To: Gnucash-User > Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble > > Firstly, thanks to those who have offered advice already. I am still trying to get my Citi credit card transactions to download and having no success. > I have tried what is in the Wiki, plus Colin?s suggestions and those posted previously by Nicholas Rood. When I request the account list from within the wizard, this is the log I get: > > 20:41:41 Sending request... > 20:41:41 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. > 20:41:41 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM:AEAD > 20:41:41 Waiting for response... > 20:41:41 Parsing response... > 20:41:41 Status for signon request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") > Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) > 20:41:41 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") > Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) > 20:41:41 Received account (no bank code)/(no account number) ((no bank name)/(no account name)) > 20:41:41 Operation finished, you can now close this window. > > I have checked and double checked the various fields but can find no typos, etc. > I am really at an impasse and about to give up. Because we use our credit card for most transactions, not having a simple, seamless download is a dealbreaker for our financial software. > > Any further ideas would be most welcome. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image.png > Type: image/png > Size: 25181 bytes > Desc: image.png > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image.png > Type: image/png > Size: 26664 bytes > Desc: image.png > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 27 > ********************************************* From brooksby1 at aol.com Sat Oct 9 12:32:50 2021 From: brooksby1 at aol.com (Scott Brooksby) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <647991046.560429.1633797170146@mail.yahoo.com> I have been downloading my transactions from Citibank. I click on the download section and then select XSport on the right hand side of the Citibank section. I then select ofx and then click export. This downloads the statement for that period. I've been go to gnucash and click on import, then import ofx / qfx. And bring this up the file to process dialogue and I double click on the statement that I just downloaded. It brings up a list of the transactions on that statement. I can then double-click on each one and a sign the appropriate expense account or other a location for that particular charge. Once everything is set 4 all of the items I've been click okay edit populates the account. The very first time you do this it will actually ask you which account this populates into. I have not yet gotten around to figuring out how to use online connections, but this seems to work for me for now. On Saturday, October 9, 2021, 07:28:48 AM PDT, wrote: Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to ??? gnucash-user at gnucash.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re:? email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. ? ? ? (Stan Brown) ? 2. Re:? email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. ? ? ? (Nate Bargmann) ? 3. Re:? Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" (Benjamin Soffer) ? 4.? Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) ? ? ? (Doug) ? 5.? OFX - Citi Setup Trouble (Steve Welch) ? 6. Re:? Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 ? ? ? still..) (Alan Hopkins) ? 7. Re:? email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. ? ? ? (Chris Green) ? 8. Re:? Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 ? ? ? still..) (Doug) ? 9.? Split Transaction Confusion Again (Jack Frillman) ? 10. Re:? Split Transaction Confusion Again (Gyle McCollam) ? 11. Re:? Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 ? ? ? still..) (Maf. King) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 10:42:39 -0700 From: Stan Brown To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. Message-ID: <9e021891-ea92-29ff-6049-9a3459e9c3c5 at fastmail.fm> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 2021-10-08 01:16, Gerrit Holl wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 at 21:42, Jim DeLaHunt wrote: > >> I predict that we could have a big discussion about the pros and cons of >> email lists and forums, and we would end up without a resolution; we >> would discover that no one option works for everyone. > > For what it's worth, there are also ~280 questions on gnucash on > money.stackexchange.com, a site run by a commercial company (best > known for Stack Overflow) but with user contributions licensed > CC-BY-SA.? https://money.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/gnucash > > The Q&A form in general and stackexchange specifically have their own > pros and cons compared to forums or email; in my opinion, all three > are complementary (as is chat). I have a lot of respect for StackExchange. Their system seems to result in incorrect answers getting corrected fairly quickly. Quite often when I google a technical question a StackExchange is near the top of results, and it's nearly always helpful. -- Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 08:16:10 -0500 From: Nate Bargmann To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. Message-ID: <20211008131610.7t36mlhuozoowwn5 at n0nb.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" * On 2021 08 Oct 06:43 -0500, Robert Heller wrote: > There is also GigiNews (US$4.99/month). I found https://www.aioe.org/ some years ago which gives access to text newsgroups and which I've used without issue, though I post very little. Toward the OP, one nice thing about email and mailing lists such as this is that the messages are often archived in multiple places.? Web forum software is often not and depends on there being good backups in place for disaster recovery.? I have seen Web forums disappear over the years and all the content with them so I regard them as less trustworthy and quite ephemeral and ill suited for technical/user discussions where access to archives years later is useful. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.? The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 21:43:46 +0000 From: Benjamin Soffer To: "john.layman at laymanandlayman.com" ??? , "gnucash-user at gnucash.org" ??? Subject: Re: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, you would think that's how it would work.? But, in fact, it does now.? When I post the invoice, it ignores the entry in the Billing Terms table. Benjamin E. Soffer | THE SOFFER LAW FIRM PC T? 818.963.8998 21550 Oxnard Street, Suite 300 Woodland Hills, CA 91367-7109 www.soffer-law.com _______________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise me, the sender, by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments (including from your "Deleted Items" or "Trash" folder) without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: John Layman [mailto:john.layman at laymanandlayman.com] Sent: 10/04/2021 11:55 AM To: Benjamin Soffer ; gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: RE: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" The Billing Terms Editor merely allows you to maintain a table of differing terms.? When an invoice is posted, the applicable terms are those specified in the Customer (or Vendor) record, which refers to an entry in the Billing Terms table. -----Original Message----- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of Benjamin Soffer Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:10 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" Hello, I am using version 3.8 for Windows. When I set the invoice "due" period in the Billing Terms Editor (for example 15 days), the system does not "remember" this setting when I post a new invoice.? The due date remains the same as the post date, by default.? Any suggestions? Ben _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 10:25:20 +1100 From: Doug To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 ??? still..) Message-ID: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5 at internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 July to 30 June. I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change the defaults. I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been using for years & love!) regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) -- ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 20:57:35 -0400 From: Steve Welch To: Gnucash-User Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble Message-ID: <68AE9640-7D9F-4028-8AD9-5B2B723E1380 at icloud.com> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8 Firstly, thanks to those who have offered advice already.? I am still trying to get my Citi credit card transactions to download and having no success. I have tried what is in the Wiki, plus Colin?s suggestions and those posted previously by Nicholas Rood.? When I request the account list from within the wizard, this is the log I get: 20:41:41 Sending request... 20:41:41 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. 20:41:41 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM:AEAD 20:41:41 Waiting for response... 20:41:41 Parsing response... 20:41:41 Status for signon request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000, severity "ERROR") Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not available.) 20:41:41 Received account (no bank code)/(no account number) ((no bank name)/(no account name)) 20:41:41 Operation finished, you can now close this window. I have checked and double checked the various fields but can find no typos, etc. I am really at an impasse and about to give up.? Because we use our credit card for most transactions, not having a simple, seamless download is a dealbreaker for our financial software.? Any further ideas would be most welcome. Steve ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:32:07 +1100 From: Alan Hopkins To: Doug Cc: GnuCash users group Subject: Re: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 ??? still..) Message-ID: <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ? Hi Doug ? Nice to hear from another Aussie PCLOS & GNUCash user! ? I have the same version of GNC as you (as that's what is in the repo!) ? - I haven't been using GNC for long but I set the accounting period in ? the Preferences as Absolute to 1st July 20 to 30 Jun 21 (ie last fin ? year) and it defaults the reports (Beginning & End of Accounting ? Period) to the correct dates.? I will need to change that for this fin. ? year (and those that follow) as it is an absolute setting but I don't ? see that as problem. ? Another alternative would be to set the dates in the Report Options and ? then save that report configuration so when you use it the report has ? the default settings you want. ? But I guess you know all the above being a long-time GNC user! ? My thanks to the GNUCash gurus, facilitators & fixers - GNC is a ? terrific resource!! ? Cheers ? Hop ? On 9/10/21 10:25, Doug wrote: Hi, has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 July to 30 June. I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change the defa ults. I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been using for y ears & love!) regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 08:36:51 +0100 From: Chris Green To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] email seems so crude 30 years after MULTICS forums. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Oct 07, 2021 at 07:39:20PM -0400, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > > > Of course there's Usenet, which doesn't require everyone to connect to > > Usenet is still active? > I though it died years ago. > That would be my favourite way to communicate. I'm still active on several Usenet newsgroups, one of the best and most active is uk.d-i-y. -- Chris Green ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 23:37:22 +1100 From: Doug To: Alan Hopkins Cc: GnuCash users group Subject: Re: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 ??? still..) Message-ID: <20211009233722.1235fc3f at internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks Alan. Yes, knew that. I am certainly no accountant, but manage to bumble along. I think it might be possible to set the defaults in the setup file, but honestly have not looked. What I would like is to be able to define the Financial Year start/Financial Year end in setup so it always defaults to the current financial year ()which in Australia?s case is 1 July to 30 June). I wonder how many other countries have non-Calendar year Financial years? I guess the UK might copy us seeing we seem to copy their laws in our early days. regards, Doug n Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:32:07 +1100 Alan Hopkins wrote: > Hi Doug > > Nice to hear from another Aussie PCLOS & GNUCash user! > > I have the same version of GNC as you (as that's what is in the repo!) - I haven't been using GNC for long but I set the accounting period in the Preferences as Absolute to 1st July 20 to 30 Jun 21 (ie last fin year) and it defaults the reports (Beginning & End of Accounting Period) to the correct dates.? I will need to change that for this fin. year (and those that follow) as it is an absolute setting but I don't see that as problem. > > Another alternative would be to set the dates in the Report Options and then save that report configuration so when you use it the report has the default settings you want. > > But I guess you know all the above being a long-time GNC user! > > My thanks to the GNUCash gurus, facilitators & fixers - GNC is a terrific resource!! > > Cheers > > Hop > > On 9/10/21 10:25, Doug wrote: > Hi, > >? has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? > >? Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 July to 30 June. > > > >? I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change the defaults. > > > >? I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been using for years & love!) > > > > regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) > > > > > -- ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:51:02 -0400 From: Jack Frillman To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I'm having trouble entering a split transaction for a stock dividend & the tax that was withheld. The stock has a dividend of?? $10.13 Tax withheld is?? $1.52 This leaves a cash deposit of $8.61 in the parent brokerage account. How do I enter a split transaction that shows the dividend of $10.13, puts the tax of $1.52 into a tax tracking account and adds $8.61 to the cash balance in the parent brokerage account? As with a straight dividend I'm entering the main transaction in the parent brokerage account. No matter which way I try making these entry's I always have an amount added to the imbalance account or the $10.13 added to the cash balance. I have read GNU Cash Documentation on split transactions several times and I still can't figure this out. Thanks. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:23:42 +0000 From: Gyle McCollam To: Jack Frillman Cc: "gnucash-user at gnucash.org" Subject: Re: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This would be your entry: Parent Brokerage Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $8.61 Tax Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $1.52 Dividend Income Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $10.63 Hope this helps you and is clear. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Mobile gmccollam at live.com? ? ? ? ? email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Jack Frillman via gnucash-user Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 9:51 AM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again I'm having trouble entering a split transaction for a stock dividend & the tax that was withheld. The stock has a dividend of? $10.13 Tax withheld is? $1.52 This leaves a cash deposit of $8.61 in the parent brokerage account. How do I enter a split transaction that shows the dividend of $10.13, puts the tax of $1.52 into a tax tracking account and adds $8.61 to the cash balance in the parent brokerage account? As with a straight dividend I'm entering the main transaction in the parent brokerage account. No matter which way I try making these entry's I always have an amount added to the imbalance account or the $10.13 added to the cash balance. I have read GNU Cash Documentation on split transactions several times and I still can't figure this out. Thanks. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 15:23:46 +0100 From: "Maf. King" To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 ??? still..) Message-ID: <37133679.J2Yia2DhmK at janus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Nothing so simple in the UK.... the HMRC annual period ends on 5th April each year...? Not the most obvious date, I know. AIUI, It is all to to with a legacy from the Roman Empire, with Popes and Kings who thought they were more in charge in the year 15-so and so.? (or maybe 13-so and so) Maf. On Saturday, 9 October 2021 13:37:22 BST Doug wrote: > Thanks Alan. Yes, knew that. I am certainly no accountant, but manage to > bumble along. > >? I think it might be possible to set the defaults in the setup file, but > honestly have not looked. What I would like is to be able to define the > Financial Year start/Financial Year end in setup so it always defaults to > the current financial year ()which in Australia?s case is 1 July to 30 > June). > >? I wonder how many other countries have non-Calendar year Financial years? I > guess the UK might copy us seeing we seem to copy their laws in our early > days. > > regards, Doug > > > n Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:32:07 +1100 > > Alan Hopkins wrote: > > Hi Doug > > > > Nice to hear from another Aussie PCLOS & GNUCash user! > > > > I have the same version of GNC as you (as that's what is in the repo!) - I > > haven't been using GNC for long but I set the accounting period in the > > Preferences as Absolute to 1st July 20 to 30 Jun 21 (ie last fin year) > > and it defaults the reports (Beginning & End of Accounting Period) to the > > correct dates.? I will need to change that for this fin. year (and those > > that follow) as it is an absolute setting but I don't see that as > > problem. > > > > Another alternative would be to set the dates in the Report Options and > > then save that report configuration so when you use it the report has the > > default settings you want. > > > > But I guess you know all the above being a long-time GNC user! > > > > My thanks to the GNUCash gurus, facilitators & fixers - GNC is a terrific > > resource!! > > > > Cheers > > > > Hop > > > > On 9/10/21 10:25, Doug wrote: > > Hi, > > > > >? has anyone changed the default accounting period in the reports window? > > >? Currently they are set to 1 Jan to 31 Dec. Australian Tax year is 1 > > >? July to 30 June. > > >? > > >? I know I can set them report by report, but it would be nice to change > > >? the defaults. > > >? > > >? I am currently using ver 4,6 on Linux (PCLinuxOS, which I have been > > >? using for years & love!)> > > > > regards, Doug (Long time Gnucash user & appreciator!) ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ------------------------------ End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 26 ********************************************* From kdahlke at gmx.de Sat Oct 9 14:51:26 2021 From: kdahlke at gmx.de (Klaus Dahlke) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:51:26 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <4349939.LvFx2qVVIh@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> <2602361.mvXUDI8C0e@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <39a5fc37b0b2af4db307fb7f5ce45b6f314e50d7.camel@gmail.com> <4349939.LvFx2qVVIh@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <20211009205126.d06d884451e730be204a919f@gmx.de> Hi Geert, I was about to do some tests whether any of the below mentioned tweaks (adapting XDG_DATA_DIRS, using .gconf/org/gnucash/Gnucash) would help, and if not doing an fresh install after removal of gnucash-4.5 or going release by release to gnucash-4.8 - but surprisingly, when I installed the freshly compiled gnucash-4.8 over the existing gnucash 4.5, gnucash-4.8 starts normal, and the configurations is the one as of gnucash-4.5: currency is EUR, register colors are default, date format german ... I did exactly the same procedure as last week except I was using gnucash-4.5 a bit since switching back to gnucash-4.5 after the non-successful upgrade. In essence: today it worked as it should be, I didn't have to do anything on the location of the configuration files or change XDG_DATA_DIRS (is still at $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS -> /usr/local/share:/usr/share) I assume that error must have been somehow on my side. Best regards Klaus On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 14:07:40 +0200 Geert Janssens wrote: > Hi David, > > Thanks for the feedback. It also works fine on my Fedora 34 box. And at this > point I don't see reason yet to believe the intermediate step via 4.7 is > required. The bug hunt will hopefully give more details. > > As for the /org/gnucash/GnuCash path, that's a virtual path, not a filesystem > one. It's how preferences are organised hierarchically inside GSettings. Every > application is supposed to generate the three-component "prefix" consisting of > /org// and under that prefix all preferences for > that particular application can then be structured. You will find this > structure for example by opening dconf-editor on linux systems (provided > gnucash is installed in the default prefix /usr or /usr/local; if not, you'll > have to manipulate the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable to include prefix>/share in the search path). > > Regards, > > Geert > > Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 11:50:46 CEST schreef davidcousens49 at gmail.com: > > Hi Geert, > > > > For your info if it will help diagnose problems on other Linux systems. As > > far as I cn tell GunCash 4.8 is reading the preferences when they exist on > > Linux Mint 20.2. I up graded from 4.6 via a patched version of 4.7 and then > > to 4.8 with a further patch suggested by John. Both 4.7 and 4.8 built from > > scratch from the downloaded tarball. These still show up under > > .local/share/gnucash/ for the books reports etc and .config/gnucash for the > > gtk style sheets. The file modifications times and dates indicate changes > > (I deliberately changed a few setting exited and then restarted and then > > changed them back). I am presuming the /org/gnucash/GnuCash translates to > > these locations during installation as I cannot find any such directories > > on my computer. > > > > David > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 09:29 +0200, Geert Janssens wrote: > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 > > > > from > > > > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > > > > both skipped 4.7 > > > > > > > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash > > > > along > > > > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take > > > > care > > > > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > > > > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > > > > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > > > > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) > > > > persistently. > > > > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the > > > > new > > > > preferences path in this situation. > > > > > > > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > > > > information there. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on > > > > > debugging > > > > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > > > > ninja > > > > > > ninja install > > > > > > > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came > > > > > > up: > > > > > > no > > > > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, > > > > > > register > > > > > > etc > > > > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > > > > database. > > > > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > > > > date > > > > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences > > > > > > as > > > > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to > > > > > > Er, > > > > > > date > > > > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > > > > feel > > > > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources > > > > > > by > > > > > > the > > > > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth > > > > > > filing > > > > > > a > > > > > > bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Klaus > > > > > > _______________________________________________ From flywire0 at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 20:15:51 2021 From: flywire0 at gmail.com (flywire) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 11:15:51 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) Message-ID: Hack Financial / Fiscal Year in all Reports - https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-October/097880.html From anobono at protonmail.com Sat Oct 9 20:37:48 2021 From: anobono at protonmail.com (anobono) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 00:37:48 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Fw: Prices automatically rounding in price editor (unwanted) In-Reply-To: <3fbix5dQXN8_n_TT4xvd6wHKOopPfpDpCPfgT_HaaB_48Tu8yU_LRycOydOMhM4V0CVGrmCI1ZtowB-OkO8h9e9NC-pPLn-YG5k3A4uvXyI=@protonmail.com> References: <3fbix5dQXN8_n_TT4xvd6wHKOopPfpDpCPfgT_HaaB_48Tu8yU_LRycOydOMhM4V0CVGrmCI1ZtowB-OkO8h9e9NC-pPLn-YG5k3A4uvXyI=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: I searched for an answer to this question unsuccessfully before posting here. I have recently installed Gnucash 4.6 on Windows 10 and when adding security prices in the price editor, the amount rounds to 2 decimals automatically which is wrong. Specifically, I type an amount with more than two decimals and if I click to add this price or just move the focus away, the interface displays the number with only two decimals. Is this a bug or did I do something wrong? I went temporarily back to 3.11 because it doesn't have that issue, but i has an old bug I was happy to see fixed, so I'd rather have 4.6, but functioning normally. Thanks. From edodd at billiau.net Sat Oct 9 20:59:28 2021 From: edodd at billiau.net (Liz Dodd) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 11:59:28 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again In-Reply-To: <38e018b5-4e8c-7851-87cf-c3ed57da548b@me.com> References: <38e018b5-4e8c-7851-87cf-c3ed57da548b@me.com> Message-ID: <20211010115928.7fd98408@zenpower.billiau.net> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:46:14 -0400 Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > Yes it was a big help. > Thanks. > > On 10/9/21 10:23 AM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > > This would be your entry: > > > > Parent Brokerage Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $8.61 > > Tax Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $1.52 > > Dividend Income Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?$10.63 > > > > Hope this helps you and is clear. > > > > Thank You, > > *Gyle McCollam* To avoid having to work this out every year, try making a shceduled transaction. Edit out the numbers and put the the instructions in place. Attached is how I get my electricity account recorded faster. Liz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot_2021-10-10_11-58-15.png Type: image/png Size: 54546 bytes Desc: not available URL: From prl at ozemail.com.au Sat Oct 9 21:22:35 2021 From: prl at ozemail.com.au (prl) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:22:35 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) In-Reply-To: <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> References: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net> <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511@gmail.com> <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <89a11295-24cc-3f69-c9eb-4421f411f2a3@ozemail.com.au> As other posters have said, the UK doesn't follow Australia in the definition of the fiscal year (though if they did use the same dates as us, it would probably be more accurate to express it the other way around). There are a wide variety of dates for the fiscal year across the world. Some countries have more than one definition, for different parts of the economy, e.g. government vs non-government (the UK is one of those countries). Afghanistan defines its fiscal year in terms of a non-Gregorian calendar. The tax year usually follows the fiscal year, but not in all jurisdictions. For lots more information, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_year I think that it would be useful if GnuCash allowed the Accounting Period to be set to relative dates in an unspecified year, e.g. for Australia, 1 Jul to 30 Jun. GnuCash really only caters for fiscal years where the fiscal year happens to be the same as the calendar year. According to the Wikipedia entry, that's the most common choice, but there are quite a lot of countries where it's not the case. For example: Australia, Canada (for personal/corporate), Hong Kong, India, New Zealand (personal/corporate) & UK (different dates for government and personal/corporate). And despite fairly close ties between Australia and New Zealand in other matters, Australia and New Zealand have different fiscal years for personal/corporate use). The USA has three different dates, federal, state and personal/corporate, though the latter is the calendar year. Peter On 9/10/21 23:37, Doug wrote > I wonder how many other countries have non-Calendar year Financial years? I guess the UK might copy us > seeing we seem to copy their laws in our early days. > > regards, Doug From gmccollam at live.com Sat Oct 9 21:43:50 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 01:43:50 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Fw: Prices automatically rounding in price editor (unwanted) In-Reply-To: References: <3fbix5dQXN8_n_TT4xvd6wHKOopPfpDpCPfgT_HaaB_48Tu8yU_LRycOydOMhM4V0CVGrmCI1ZtowB-OkO8h9e9NC-pPLn-YG5k3A4uvXyI=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: No, you did nothing wrong. That is a bug that was fixed in 4.7. If you don't want to upgrade just yet, the "fix" is to hit the enter key after entering the number. That will retain the number of decimals you entered. It is not the best, but it does work, you just have to remember to hit the enter key instead of the way you were entering the prices. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of anobono via gnucash-user Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 8:37 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Fw: Prices automatically rounding in price editor (unwanted) I searched for an answer to this question unsuccessfully before posting here. I have recently installed Gnucash 4.6 on Windows 10 and when adding security prices in the price editor, the amount rounds to 2 decimals automatically which is wrong. Specifically, I type an amount with more than two decimals and if I click to add this price or just move the focus away, the interface displays the number with only two decimals. Is this a bug or did I do something wrong? I went temporarily back to 3.11 because it doesn't have that issue, but i has an old bug I was happy to see fixed, so I'd rather have 4.6, but functioning normally. Thanks. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From jcf_m_lists at me.com Sat Oct 9 22:13:03 2021 From: jcf_m_lists at me.com (Jack Frillman) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 22:13:03 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again In-Reply-To: <20211010115928.7fd98408@zenpower.billiau.net> References: <38e018b5-4e8c-7851-87cf-c3ed57da548b@me.com> <20211010115928.7fd98408@zenpower.billiau.net> Message-ID: I just bought the stock and I got a dividend and I don't know how often I will get them. So setting up a scheduled transaction for it is not practical. The response Gyle sent was the solution what I was trying to do. Thanks. On 10/9/21 8:59 PM, Liz Dodd wrote: > On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:46:14 -0400 > Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > >> Yes it was a big help. >> Thanks. >> >> On 10/9/21 10:23 AM, Gyle McCollam wrote: >>> This would be your entry: >>> >>> Parent Brokerage Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $8.61 >>> Tax Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? $1.52 >>> Dividend Income Account? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?$10.63 >>> >>> Hope this helps you and is clear. >>> >>> Thank You, >>> *Gyle McCollam* > > To avoid having to work this out every year, try making a shceduled > transaction. > Edit out the numbers and put the the instructions in place. > > Attached is how I get my electricity account recorded faster. > Liz > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous From the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 9 22:17:14 2021 From: the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm (Stan Brown) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 19:17:14 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) In-Reply-To: <89a11295-24cc-3f69-c9eb-4421f411f2a3@ozemail.com.au> References: <20211009102520.5cda8ca5@internode.on.net> <8834c055-8958-b131-030a-a28fdc96a511@gmail.com> <20211009233722.1235fc3f@internode.on.net> <89a11295-24cc-3f69-c9eb-4421f411f2a3@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: <53d4a849-559a-d544-78b0-3e1fdaa646cc@fastmail.fm> On 2021-10-09 18:22, prl wrote: > GnuCash really only caters for fiscal years where the fiscal year > happens to be the same as the calendar year. According to the Wikipedia > entry, that's the most common choice, but there are quite a lot of > countries where it's not the case. > > For example: Australia, Canada (for personal/corporate), Hong Kong, > India, New Zealand (personal/corporate) & UK (different dates for > government and personal/corporate). And despite fairly close ties > between Australia and New Zealand in other matters, Australia and New > Zealand have different fiscal years for personal/corporate use). The USA > has three different dates, federal, state and personal/corporate, though > the latter is the calendar year. The US Government fiscal year is 1 Oct through 30 Sept. Individual states have other fiscal years. Corporations and other businesses can have any fiscal year they like, for accounting purposes or tax purposes or both. -- Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com From christopher.lck at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 22:18:45 2021 From: christopher.lck at gmail.com (Christopher Lam) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 02:18:45 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again In-Reply-To: References: <38e018b5-4e8c-7851-87cf-c3ed57da548b@me.com> <20211010115928.7fd98408@zenpower.billiau.net> Message-ID: I think you're recording the dividend into the Brokerage cash account only. Beware the Advanced portfolio report (and upcoming IFRS average cost report) will not recognise this dividend because it has no split into the stock account. So, you'll want to record as follows: Asset:Broker:Stock 0 STOCK Asset:Broker:Cash +$8.61 Income:Dividend -$10.13 Expenses:Taxes:Tax Withheld +$1.52 On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 02:13, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > > I just bought the stock and I got a dividend and I don't know how often > I will get them. So setting up a scheduled transaction for it is not > practical. > > The response Gyle sent was the solution what I was trying to do. > > Thanks. > > On 10/9/21 8:59 PM, Liz Dodd wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:46:14 -0400 > > Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > > > >> Yes it was a big help. > >> Thanks. > >> > >> On 10/9/21 10:23 AM, Gyle McCollam wrote: > >>> This would be your entry: > >>> > >>> Parent Brokerage Account $8.61 > >>> Tax Account $1.52 > >>> Dividend Income Account $10.63 > >>> > >>> Hope this helps you and is clear. > >>> > >>> Thank You, > >>> *Gyle McCollam* > > > > To avoid having to work this out every year, try making a shceduled > > transaction. > > Edit out the numbers and put the the instructions in place. > > > > Attached is how I get my electricity account recorded faster. > > Liz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > -- > Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null > - Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From kevin.m.buckley at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 01:31:58 2021 From: kevin.m.buckley at gmail.com (Kevin Buckley) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:31:58 +0800 Subject: [GNC] Split Transaction Confusion Again In-Reply-To: References: <38e018b5-4e8c-7851-87cf-c3ed57da548b@me.com> <20211010115928.7fd98408@zenpower.billiau.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 at 10:14, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote: > > I just bought the stock and I got a dividend and I don't know how often > I will get them. So setting up a scheduled transaction for it is not > practical. You might like to think of scheduled transaction LIz describes merely as a template. You don't have to a scheduled transactions enabled, so it could just sit there, as a template and/or with a far future next date, until you needed it. Of course, the TXN completion feature allows for a duplication of a previous entry when entering the next, however, if you are in the habit of creating new XML files, then copying the scheduled transaction block into a new file gives you access to your "templates" from the off. From stephan_schiffels at mac.com Sun Oct 10 01:36:34 2021 From: stephan_schiffels at mac.com (Stephan Schiffels) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:36:34 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Import CSV account names matching problems Message-ID: <9B3A7113-CEA8-44F5-A7C6-C3DC44684B18@mac.com> Dear all, I have a CSV with thousands of transactions from my checking account that I?ve generated from another software. I have prepared and curated it such that in principle it contains all information needed for Gnucash to import the transactions with the correct expense and income accounts. In particular, I have created a column with the exact full expense and income account names used in Gnucash. Here is a fake bit of the transactions file: Date,Description,Account,Withdrawal,Deposit 2021-01-01,blabla,Expense:Groceries,50.00,0.00 2021-01-02,blabla,Income:Salary,0.00,3000.00 2021-01-03,blabla,Expense:Car:Gasoline,40.00,0.00 And so on. So the third column actually contains the exact and full account name in Gnucash. When I import that file with the Import CSV wizard, and select the third column to the Account, then gnucash wants me to match all these account names with its own account names , despite the fact that I?ve already chosen the exact account names. Why is that? Is there no way I can prepare a CSV file in a way that gnucash understands exactly from where (or to where) it needs to book a transaction? I mean, I really appreciate the fact that it can infer the account reasonably well, and that it memories previous import actions. But basically what I want is much simpler: I don?t want inference or any guessing, I just want to import an exact sequence of transactions where I specify the full account names in the CSV file. Thanks, Stephan From lemans4 at internode.on.net Sun Oct 10 02:51:43 2021 From: lemans4 at internode.on.net (Doug) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:51:43 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Default Accounting period permanent change (Ver 4.6 still..) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20211010175143.4d6b59e6@internode.on.net> Thanks, that is the type of setting I want, but the documentation says it all: to quote: I've been using this hack which changes the definition of current and previous year in reports to start 1 July. It will be overwritten each time a new version of GnuCash is installed and it's unlikely to work with the next major release. (end) I feel what is needed is for it to be a part of the configuration settings window. Until implemented. I will just set the dates for each report. I am certainly no programmer.... regards, Doug On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 11:15:51 +1100 flywire wrote: > Hack Financial / Fiscal Year in all Reports - > https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-October/097880.html -- From boerner at t-online.de Sun Oct 10 03:56:21 2021 From: boerner at t-online.de (Thomas Boerner) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 09:56:21 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Gnucash 4.8: doesn't read or store config In-Reply-To: <20211009205126.d06d884451e730be204a919f@gmx.de> References: <3263480.di8vMAxftW@majestix.boerner.local> <4349939.LvFx2qVVIh@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <20211009205126.d06d884451e730be204a919f@gmx.de> Message-ID: <816929315.0ifERbkFSE@majestix.boerner.local> Hey Klaus, glad it's working for you now, too! I've written that I got it working by modifying XDG_DATA_DIRS. That is true, but it cures only the symptom. The root cause was a forgotten schema from an old self-compiled version of gnucash below /usr/local/share. After deleting that it works with the original XDG_DATA_DIRS. Perhaps you have had a similar situation that has been solved implicitly by removing and re-installing versions? Best, Thomas Am Samstag, 9. Oktober 2021, 20:51:26 CEST schrieb Klaus Dahlke: > Hi Geert, > I was about to do some tests whether any of the below mentioned tweaks (adapting XDG_DATA_DIRS, using .gconf/org/gnucash/Gnucash) would help, and if not doing an fresh install after removal of gnucash-4.5 or going release by release to gnucash-4.8 - but surprisingly, when I installed the freshly compiled gnucash-4.8 over the existing gnucash 4.5, gnucash-4.8 starts normal, and the configurations is the one as of gnucash-4.5: currency is EUR, register colors are default, date format german ... > > I did exactly the same procedure as last week except I was using gnucash-4.5 a bit since switching back to gnucash-4.5 after the non-successful upgrade. > > In essence: today it worked as it should be, I didn't have to do anything on the location of the configuration files or change XDG_DATA_DIRS (is still at $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS -> /usr/local/share:/usr/share) > > I assume that error must have been somehow on my side. > > Best regards > Klaus > > > On Thu, 07 Oct 2021 14:07:40 +0200 > Geert Janssens wrote: > > > Hi David, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. It also works fine on my Fedora 34 box. And at this > > point I don't see reason yet to believe the intermediate step via 4.7 is > > required. The bug hunt will hopefully give more details. > > > > As for the /org/gnucash/GnuCash path, that's a virtual path, not a filesystem > > one. It's how preferences are organised hierarchically inside GSettings. Every > > application is supposed to generate the three-component "prefix" consisting of > > /org// and under that prefix all preferences for > > that particular application can then be structured. You will find this > > structure for example by opening dconf-editor on linux systems (provided > > gnucash is installed in the default prefix /usr or /usr/local; if not, you'll > > have to manipulate the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable to include > prefix>/share in the search path). > > > > Regards, > > > > Geert > > > > Op donderdag 7 oktober 2021 11:50:46 CEST schreef davidcousens49 at gmail.com: > > > Hi Geert, > > > > > > For your info if it will help diagnose problems on other Linux systems. As > > > far as I cn tell GunCash 4.8 is reading the preferences when they exist on > > > Linux Mint 20.2. I up graded from 4.6 via a patched version of 4.7 and then > > > to 4.8 with a further patch suggested by John. Both 4.7 and 4.8 built from > > > scratch from the downloaded tarball. These still show up under > > > .local/share/gnucash/ for the books reports etc and .config/gnucash for the > > > gtk style sheets. The file modifications times and dates indicate changes > > > (I deliberately changed a few setting exited and then restarted and then > > > changed them back). I am presuming the /org/gnucash/GnuCash translates to > > > these locations during installation as I cannot find any such directories > > > on my computer. > > > > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 09:29 +0200, Geert Janssens wrote: > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > > > > > Klaus hasn't filed a bug yet. If you can, please do. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > > > Op woensdag 6 oktober 2021 16:25:41 CEST schreef boerner at t-online.de: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I am experiencing the same issue coming from 4.6 and upgrading to 4.8 > > > > > from > > > > > an OpenSuse Repo. One thing that I have in common with Klaus is that we > > > > > both skipped 4.7 > > > > > > > > > > Indeed in Dconf I can find a new preference path /org/gnucash/GnuCash > > > > > along > > > > > with the old /org/gnucash. However, gnucash 4.8 doesn't seem to take > > > > > care > > > > > of this path. Neither changes in my settings are reflected there nor > > > > > changes done directly in Dconf (e.g. set time format to 24h) have any > > > > > effect. Moreover the default preference for the date format is ISO > > > > > (2021-10-06), while gnucash uses the US format (10/06/2021) > > > > > persistently. > > > > > So it appears to me that gnucash neather reads nor writes from/to the > > > > > new > > > > > preferences path in this situation. > > > > > > > > > > @Klaus: Did you file that bug already? So it might be worth to add this > > > > > information there. > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > Tue Oct 5 06:21:11 EDT 2021 Geert Janssens geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > This likely means for some reason the preference migration hasn't run. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to figure out why if you're willing to work with me on > > > > > > debugging > > > > > > this. If so, please file a bug so we can track our research there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Geert > > > > > > > > > > > > Op maandag 4 oktober 2021 23:06:13 CEST schreef Klaus Dahlke: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > I run gnucash 4.5 on ArchLinux and compile gnucash from the sources. > > > > > > > Yesterday I wanted to upgrade/install gnucash 4.8 by: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/home/klaus -G Ninja .. > > > > > > > ninja > > > > > > > ninja install > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All went smoothly, but when starting gnucash, the warning/error came > > > > > > > up: > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > book found (or similar), i.e., gnucash starts but no accounts, > > > > > > > register > > > > > > > etc > > > > > > > are there. I then went to File -> Open' and opened the postgres > > > > > > > database. > > > > > > > The data were read, but not displayed as expected: currency was USD, > > > > > > > date > > > > > > > format was US, no register color etc. I changed some of Preferences > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > setting the register color scheme to gnucash default, currency to > > > > > > > Er, > > > > > > > date > > > > > > > format etc. But after exiting and restarting gnucash, none of the > > > > > > > preference settings where save. The warning message and teh look and > > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > was exactly the same as right after compile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I then switched back to gnucash 4.5 by compiling it from the sources > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > above method and all works fine again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I miss something in the installation procedure or is it worth > > > > > > > filing > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Klaus > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From flywire0 at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 05:48:07 2021 From: flywire0 at gmail.com (flywire) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:48:07 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Import CSV account names matching problems Message-ID: Stephan, you're right, you can't. Try python - https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-July/097124.html Email me directly if you want support. Splits are a bit different. From steve.welch.1 at icloud.com Sun Oct 10 12:51:11 2021 From: steve.welch.1 at icloud.com (Steve Welch) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 12:51:11 -0400 Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble In-Reply-To: <231ZJiqfP4000Set.1633797135@web06.cms.usa.net> References: <231ZJiqfP4000Set.1633797135@web06.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: Thanks to Kalpesh and Gyle! I finally got it! I assumed that because I had already set up my Citi account to download transactions with Moneydance and Quicken, that nothing further was needed on the Citi end. Of course, that was wrong. Once I logged in and did the ?Add Access? routine, I was able to get GNC to successfully connect and download transactions. Now I get the joy of reconciling / resolving duplicates. Thanks again everyone! Hoping GNC works out as a viable option for us. Steve > On Oct 9, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Kalpesh Patel wrote: > > Doesn't Citi requires validation steps in States? I believe they can be found > under "Profile" --> "More Settings" --> "App with Account Access" in their web > portal. > > > I had it working at one time with following settings: > > -> "User Settings": > User Name: > User id: > Client UUID: > > -> "Bank Settings": > Bank Name: Citi Credit Card > Broker Id: > FID: 24909 > ORG: Citigroup > Server URL: https://mobilesoa.citi.com/CitiOFXInterface > > -> "Application Setting": > Emulation Application: --select-- > Application ID: QWIN > Application Version: 200 > Header Version: 100 > > > See if any of that helps. > > Kalpesh... > > > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 10:49:38 AM EDT > From: gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 27 > >> Send gnucash-user mailing list submissions to >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> gnucash-user-owner at gnucash.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of gnucash-user digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: OFX - Citi Setup Trouble (Gyle McCollam) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 14:46:00 +0000 >> From: Gyle McCollam >> To: Steve Welch >> Cc: "gnucash-user at gnucash.org" >> Subject: Re: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble >> Message-ID: >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> I had a lot of trouble with Citi as well, But I got it working with the > following settings: >> The Server url has the following added to the end of what you see in the > screenshot "interface" minus the quotes so it is > https://mobilesoa.citi.com/CitiOFXinterface. >> >> The first setup screen which is not shown here has my full name in the USER > NAME field, m Citi user ID in the USER ID field, and an internet generated > CLIENT UID. I don't know if the CLIENT UID is required, but I added it. I > don't remember if it worked without it, but I seem to remember reading > somewhere that CITI required it. I set this up within the last 2 weeks so the > setting should work for > you.[cid:2d2d11b9-a87e-46aa-8797-a0647785ca8c][cid:df7fd88f-dcee-441e-962d-49f33b375019] >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> Gyle McCollam >> >> Gyle McCollam >> >> 609.680.2326 Mobile >> >> gmccollam at live.com email >> >> ________________________________ >> From: gnucash-user on > behalf of Steve Welch via gnucash-user >> Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 8:57 PM >> To: Gnucash-User >> Subject: [GNC] OFX - Citi Setup Trouble >> >> Firstly, thanks to those who have offered advice already. I am still trying > to get my Citi credit card transactions to download and having no success. >> I have tried what is in the Wiki, plus Colin?s suggestions and those posted > previously by Nicholas Rood. When I request the account list from within the > wizard, this is the log I get: >> >> 20:41:41 Sending request... >> 20:41:41 Using GnuTLS default ciphers. >> 20:41:41 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM:AEAD >> 20:41:41 Waiting for response... >> 20:41:41 Parsing response... >> 20:41:41 Status for signon request: General error (Code 2000, severity > "ERROR") >> Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: > Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code > 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not > available.) >> 20:41:41 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000, severity > "ERROR") >> Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note: > Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code > 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not > available.) >> 20:41:41 Received account (no bank code)/(no account number) ((no bank > name)/(no account name)) >> 20:41:41 Operation finished, you can now close this window. >> >> I have checked and double checked the various fields but can find no typos, > etc. >> I am really at an impasse and about to give up. Because we use our credit > card for most transactions, not having a simple, seamless download is a > dealbreaker for our financial software. >> >> Any further ideas would be most welcome. >> >> Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image.png >> Type: image/png >> Size: 25181 bytes >> Desc: image.png >> URL: > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image.png >> Type: image/png >> Size: 26664 bytes >> Desc: image.png >> URL: > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 27 >> ********************************************* > > From steve.welch.1 at icloud.com Sun Oct 10 18:20:29 2021 From: steve.welch.1 at icloud.com (Steve Welch) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 18:20:29 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Budget Report Questions Message-ID: I apologize in advance if the answers to these questions are painfully obvious. I have tried to read the resources provided but no luck so far. I set up my budget with 12 periods (months) - each item is simply 1/12th of the annual total. What I am used to using (Moneydance, Quicken) are two basic reports: 1. Budget vs. Actual - year to date (YTD budget vs. YTD actuals) 2. Budget vs. Actual - annual (full year budget vs. YTD actuals) When I view the GNC ?Budget Report? it looks like I?m seeing #2 above. How can I view a report that shows #1 - YTD budget vs. YTD actuals? Also, is there a way to collapse or hide the monthly columns so that I can see the totals (far right) next to the account names? With 12 months displayed, I have to constantly scroll left - right to see the name and then the totals. Finally, is ?Budget Report? the only one that shows budgeted figures next to actuals? I haven?t found any others but wanted to be sure. Again, sorry if I?m missing something simple here. And thanks! Steve From christopher.lck at gmail.com Sun Oct 10 21:16:05 2021 From: christopher.lck at gmail.com (Christopher Lam) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:16:05 +0800 Subject: [GNC] Budget Report Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, does the budget report option "Use accumulated amounts" help? If not, please file a bug. On Mon, 11 Oct 2021, 6:21 am Steve Welch via gnucash-user, < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > I apologize in advance if the answers to these questions are painfully > obvious. I have tried to read the resources provided but no luck so far. > I set up my budget with 12 periods (months) - each item is simply 1/12th > of the annual total. > What I am used to using (Moneydance, Quicken) are two basic reports: > 1. Budget vs. Actual - year to date (YTD budget vs. YTD actuals) > 2. Budget vs. Actual - annual (full year budget vs. YTD actuals) > When I view the GNC ?Budget Report? it looks like I?m seeing #2 above. > How can I view a report that shows #1 - YTD budget vs. YTD actuals? > Also, is there a way to collapse or hide the monthly columns so that I can > see the totals (far right) next to the account names? With 12 months > displayed, I have to constantly scroll left - right to see the name and > then the totals. > Finally, is ?Budget Report? the only one that shows budgeted figures next > to actuals? I haven?t found any others but wanted to be sure. > > Again, sorry if I?m missing something simple here. And thanks! > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Oct 10 21:51:58 2021 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:51:58 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Budget Report Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6c0e0dfe0ac0ecbe1811c2d0b7123e86f6304896.camel@mtu.net> Steve, In the report options I believe you will find the following settings useful. Under the display tab: I have Budget and Actual turned off and Difference turned on. This fits with my idea of envelope budgeting. You should experiment with which of these 3 columns you find the most useful. Under the general tab: Check "Use accumulated amounts" Check "Report for range of budget periods" Range Start: Current budget period Range End: Next budget period Check "Include collapsed periods before selected" Check "Include collapsed periods after selected" Jon On Sun, 2021-10-10 at 18:20 -0400, Steve Welch via gnucash-user wrote: > I apologize in advance if the answers to these questions are > painfully obvious. I have tried to read the resources provided but > no luck so far. > I set up my budget with 12 periods (months) - each item is simply > 1/12th of the annual total. > What I am used to using (Moneydance, Quicken) are two basic reports: > 1. Budget vs. Actual - year to date (YTD budget vs. YTD actuals) > 2. Budget vs. Actual - annual (full year budget vs. YTD actuals) > When I view the GNC ?Budget Report? it looks like I?m seeing #2 > above. How can I view a report that shows #1 - YTD budget vs. YTD > actuals? > Also, is there a way to collapse or hide the monthly columns so that > I can see the totals (far right) next to the account names? With 12 > months displayed, I have to constantly scroll left - right to see the > name and then the totals. > Finally, is ?Budget Report? the only one that shows budgeted figures > next to actuals? I haven?t found any others but wanted to be sure. > > Again, sorry if I?m missing something simple here. And thanks! > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From stephan_schiffels at mac.com Mon Oct 11 03:30:46 2021 From: stephan_schiffels at mac.com (Stephan Schiffels) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:30:46 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Import CSV account names matching problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423AB363-E5FA-42AE-BA78-208FB63184BF@mac.com> Excellent. Didn?t know about piecash. Looks really useful. Thanks for the pointer! Best, Stephan > On 10. Oct 2021, at 11:48, flywire wrote: > > Stephan, you're right, you can't. Try python - https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2021-July/097124.html > > Email me directly if you want support. Splits are a bit different. From foad.kasiri at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 15:53:32 2021 From: foad.kasiri at gmail.com (Foad Kasiri) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 12:53:32 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry Message-ID: Hi: I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. Thanks. Best regards, Foad From hellvee at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 16:29:30 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 06:29:30 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Foad, This mailing list doesn't support inline images, so no picture, so no idea what you mean when you say "I did the following...". You need to put a pic up somewhere and post a link, or I think from memory if you paste it into your email as the very last thing or attach it to your email it survives ok. Cheers David H. On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 05:54, Foad Kasiri wrote: > Hi: > I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person > consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend > payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: > Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is > more entry needed. Thanks. > > Best regards, > > Foad > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From foad.kasiri at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 16:34:09 2021 From: foad.kasiri at gmail.com (Foad Kasiri) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:34:09 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F9BDDA2-C77A-49BD-A088-F43F532BAD38@gmail.com> Thanks for you prompt reply, the image was an attachment. Can you please advise where would be the best place to upload an image so I can provide a link for it. Thanks. Foad > On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:29 PM, David H wrote: > > Foad, > > This mailing list doesn't support inline images, so no picture, so no idea what you mean when you say "I did the following...". You need to put a pic up somewhere and post a link, or I think from memory if you paste it into your email as the very last thing or attach it to your email it survives ok. > > Cheers David H. > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 05:54, Foad Kasiri > wrote: > Hi: > I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. Thanks. > > Best regards, > > Foad > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From hellvee at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 17:12:50 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 07:12:50 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: <4F9BDDA2-C77A-49BD-A088-F43F532BAD38@gmail.com> References: <4F9BDDA2-C77A-49BD-A088-F43F532BAD38@gmail.com> Message-ID: Foad, No sorry I don't usually post images on the web. If you use Dropbox you can save to the public folder and post a link to the file I believe. Here are details from the wiki re the mailing list limitations - https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Limitations - which says to send as attachments... I've pasted an image from my clipboard directly into this email as the very last thing and also saved it as a separate image file and also attached that to the email. If you see both images then both methods work, if you see "Posting" image WITHOUT "Netiquette" as the last line then pasting it directly in to the email as the very last thing works and if you see "Posting" image WITH "Netiquette" as the last line than attaching as a separate file works.... It may also depend on how your email software handles attached images so your mileage may vary :-) Cheers David H. [image: image.png] On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 06:34, Foad Kasiri wrote: > Thanks for you prompt reply, the image was an attachment. Can you please > advise where would be the best place to upload an image so I can provide a > link for it. Thanks. > > Foad > > On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:29 PM, David H wrote: > > Foad, > > This mailing list doesn't support inline images, so no picture, so no idea > what you mean when you say "I did the following...". You need to put a pic > up somewhere and post a link, or I think from memory if you paste it into > your email as the very last thing or attach it to your email it survives ok. > > Cheers David H. > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 05:54, Foad Kasiri wrote: > >> Hi: >> I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person >> consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend >> payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: >> Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is >> more entry needed. Thanks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Foad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 44190 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Gnucash Posting.png Type: image/png Size: 57237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From foad.kasiri at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 17:54:37 2021 From: foad.kasiri at gmail.com (Foad Kasiri) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:54:37 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: References: <4F9BDDA2-C77A-49BD-A088-F43F532BAD38@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7C4643FA-D113-4A4B-9357-2D3DC1BB5821@gmail.com> Hi David: Thanks for the information. Here is the image: Screen Shot 20?.51.35 PM.png Thanks. Regards, Foad > On Oct 11, 2021, at 2:12 PM, David H wrote: > > Foad, > > No sorry I don't usually post images on the web. If you use Dropbox you can save to the public folder and post a link to the file I believe. Here are details from the wiki re the mailing list limitations - https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Limitations - which says to send as attachments... > > I've pasted an image from my clipboard directly into this email as the very last thing and also saved it as a separate image file and also attached that to the email. If you see both images then both methods work, if you see "Posting" image WITHOUT "Netiquette" as the last line then pasting it directly in to the email as the very last thing works and if you see "Posting" image WITH "Netiquette" as the last line than attaching as a separate file works.... It may also depend on how your email software handles attached images so your mileage may vary :-) > > Cheers David H. > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 06:34, Foad Kasiri > wrote: > Thanks for you prompt reply, the image was an attachment. Can you please advise where would be the best place to upload an image so I can provide a link for it. Thanks. > > Foad > >> On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:29 PM, David H > wrote: >> >> Foad, >> >> This mailing list doesn't support inline images, so no picture, so no idea what you mean when you say "I did the following...". You need to put a pic up somewhere and post a link, or I think from memory if you paste it into your email as the very last thing or attach it to your email it survives ok. >> >> Cheers David H. >> >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 05:54, Foad Kasiri > wrote: >> Hi: >> I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. Thanks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Foad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 18:23:28 2021 From: cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:23:28 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: <7C4643FA-D113-4A4B-9357-2D3DC1BB5821@gmail.com> References: <4F9BDDA2-C77A-49BD-A088-F43F532BAD38@gmail.com> <7C4643FA-D113-4A4B-9357-2D3DC1BB5821@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0c64dc73-356c-ceaf-6b3e-fb63cb88a548@gmail.com> Foad, that DropBox link requires a login - see attached screenshot. As David suggested, try attaching your image to an email. (David - both your images came through to my email as attachments.) Regards Geoff ===== On 12/10/2021 8:54 am, Foad Kasiri wrote: > Hi David: > Thanks for the information. Here is the image: > > Screen Shot 20?.51.35 PM.png > > Thanks. > > Regards, > > Foad > >> On Oct 11, 2021, at 2:12 PM, David H wrote: >> >> Foad, >> >> No sorry I don't usually post images on the web. If you use Dropbox you can save to the public folder and post a link to the file I believe. Here are details from the wiki re the mailing list limitations - https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Limitations - which says to send as attachments... >> >> I've pasted an image from my clipboard directly into this email as the very last thing and also saved it as a separate image file and also attached that to the email. If you see both images then both methods work, if you see "Posting" image WITHOUT "Netiquette" as the last line then pasting it directly in to the email as the very last thing works and if you see "Posting" image WITH "Netiquette" as the last line than attaching as a separate file works.... It may also depend on how your email software handles attached images so your mileage may vary :-) >> >> Cheers David H. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 06:34, Foad Kasiri > wrote: >> Thanks for you prompt reply, the image was an attachment. Can you please advise where would be the best place to upload an image so I can provide a link for it. Thanks. >> >> Foad >> >>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:29 PM, David H > wrote: >>> >>> Foad, >>> >>> This mailing list doesn't support inline images, so no picture, so no idea what you mean when you say "I did the following...". You need to put a pic up somewhere and post a link, or I think from memory if you paste it into your email as the very last thing or attach it to your email it survives ok. >>> >>> Cheers David H. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 05:54, Foad Kasiri > wrote: >>> Hi: >>> I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. Thanks. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Foad >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It won't matter what the terms description reads if the 'due days' entry is wrong. -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Soffer Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 5:44 PM To: john.layman at laymanandlayman.com; gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: RE: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" Yes, you would think that's how it would work. But, in fact, it does now. When I post the invoice, it ignores the entry in the Billing Terms table. Benjamin E. Soffer | THE SOFFER LAW FIRM PC T 818.963.8998 21550 Oxnard Street, Suite 300 Woodland Hills, CA 91367-7109 www.soffer-law.com _______________________________________________________________ NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise me, the sender, by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments (including from your "Deleted Items" or "Trash" folder) without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: John Layman [mailto:john.layman at laymanandlayman.com] Sent: 10/04/2021 11:55 AM To: Benjamin Soffer ; gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: RE: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" The Billing Terms Editor merely allows you to maintain a table of differing terms. When an invoice is posted, the applicable terms are those specified in the Customer (or Vendor) record, which refers to an entry in the Billing Terms table. -----Original Message----- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of Benjamin Soffer Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:10 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Billing Terms Editor not "sticky" Hello, I am using version 3.8 for Windows. When I set the invoice "due" period in the Billing Terms Editor (for example 15 days), the system does not "remember" this setting when I post a new invoice. The due date remains the same as the post date, by default. Any suggestions? Ben _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From foad.kasiri at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 21:00:10 2021 From: foad.kasiri at gmail.com (Foad Kasiri) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:00:10 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: <0c64dc73-356c-ceaf-6b3e-fb63cb88a548@gmail.com> References: <0c64dc73-356c-ceaf-6b3e-fb63cb88a548@gmail.com> Message-ID: <058994E6-2A9B-445F-87C9-DA0BEF1B9D04@gmail.com> Thanks, I put them in public folder which I thought would not require login password. I will try as per David?s suggestion. Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Geoff wrote: > > ?Foad, that DropBox link requires a login - see attached screenshot. As David suggested, try attaching your image to an email. > > (David - both your images came through to my email as attachments.) > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > >> On 12/10/2021 8:54 am, Foad Kasiri wrote: >> Hi David: >> Thanks for the information. Here is the image: >> Screen Shot 20?.51.35 PM.png >> Thanks. >> Regards, >> Foad >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 2:12 PM, David H wrote: >>> >>> Foad, >>> >>> No sorry I don't usually post images on the web. If you use Dropbox you can save to the public folder and post a link to the file I believe. Here are details from the wiki re the mailing list limitations - https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Limitations - which says to send as attachments... >>> >>> I've pasted an image from my clipboard directly into this email as the very last thing and also saved it as a separate image file and also attached that to the email. If you see both images then both methods work, if you see "Posting" image WITHOUT "Netiquette" as the last line then pasting it directly in to the email as the very last thing works and if you see "Posting" image WITH "Netiquette" as the last line than attaching as a separate file works.... It may also depend on how your email software handles attached images so your mileage may vary :-) >>> >>> Cheers David H. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 06:34, Foad Kasiri > wrote: >>> Thanks for you prompt reply, the image was an attachment. Can you please advise where would be the best place to upload an image so I can provide a link for it. Thanks. >>> >>> Foad >>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:29 PM, David H > wrote: >>>> >>>> Foad, >>>> >>>> This mailing list doesn't support inline images, so no picture, so no idea what you mean when you say "I did the following...". You need to put a pic up somewhere and post a link, or I think from memory if you paste it into your email as the very last thing or attach it to your email it survives ok. >>>> >>>> Cheers David H. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 05:54, Foad Kasiri > wrote: >>>> Hi: >>>> I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Foad >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From steve.welch.1 at icloud.com Mon Oct 11 21:01:17 2021 From: steve.welch.1 at icloud.com (Steve Welch) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 21:01:17 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Budget Report Questions In-Reply-To: <6c0e0dfe0ac0ecbe1811c2d0b7123e86f6304896.camel@mtu.net> References: <6c0e0dfe0ac0ecbe1811c2d0b7123e86f6304896.camel@mtu.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jon (& Christopher)! Your advice was helpful - I guess I was sorta tired when I was trying to figure it out. Playing with those options did help me better understand what they do and how to approximate what I?m looking for. Hopefully I can get to a place where I can get enough of what I want so that it is useful. Steve > On Oct 10, 2021, at 9:51 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > > Steve, > > In the report options I believe you will find the following settings > useful. > > Under the display tab: > I have Budget and Actual turned off and Difference turned on. This fits > with my idea of envelope budgeting. You should experiment with which of > these 3 columns you find the most useful. > > Under the general tab: > Check "Use accumulated amounts" > Check "Report for range of budget periods" > Range Start: Current budget period > Range End: Next budget period > Check "Include collapsed periods before selected" > Check "Include collapsed periods after selected" > > Jon > > On Sun, 2021-10-10 at 18:20 -0400, Steve Welch via gnucash-user wrote: >> I apologize in advance if the answers to these questions are >> painfully obvious. I have tried to read the resources provided but >> no luck so far. >> I set up my budget with 12 periods (months) - each item is simply >> 1/12th of the annual total. >> What I am used to using (Moneydance, Quicken) are two basic reports: >> 1. Budget vs. Actual - year to date (YTD budget vs. YTD actuals) >> 2. Budget vs. Actual - annual (full year budget vs. YTD actuals) >> When I view the GNC ?Budget Report? it looks like I?m seeing #2 >> above. How can I view a report that shows #1 - YTD budget vs. YTD >> actuals? >> Also, is there a way to collapse or hide the monthly columns so that >> I can see the totals (far right) next to the account names? With 12 >> months displayed, I have to constantly scroll left - right to see the >> name and then the totals. >> Finally, is ?Budget Report? the only one that shows budgeted figures >> next to actuals? I haven?t found any others but wanted to be sure. >> >> Again, sorry if I?m missing something simple here. And thanks! >> >> Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists >> for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > From foad.kasiri at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 22:53:07 2021 From: foad.kasiri at gmail.com (Foad Kasiri) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 19:53:07 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: <0c64dc73-356c-ceaf-6b3e-fb63cb88a548@gmail.com> References: <4F9BDDA2-C77A-49BD-A088-F43F532BAD38@gmail.com> <7C4643FA-D113-4A4B-9357-2D3DC1BB5821@gmail.com> <0c64dc73-356c-ceaf-6b3e-fb63cb88a548@gmail.com> Message-ID: <98503B7C-1236-45A9-BDE5-2BF5B5D199C5@gmail.com> I think this can be opened without login password. I have also added the screenshot below. Thanks. https://www.dropbox.com/s/o2y97zrr5lti8pu/Screen%20Shot%202021-10-11%20at%2012.51.35%20PM.png?dl=0 > On Oct 11, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Geoff wrote: > > Foad, that DropBox link requires a login - see attached screenshot. As David suggested, try attaching your image to an email. > > (David - both your images came through to my email as attachments.) > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > > On 12/10/2021 8:54 am, Foad Kasiri wrote: >> Hi David: >> Thanks for the information. Here is the image: >> Screen Shot 20?.51.35 PM.png >> Thanks. >> Regards, >> Foad >>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 2:12 PM, David H wrote: >>> >>> Foad, >>> >>> No sorry I don't usually post images on the web. If you use Dropbox you can save to the public folder and post a link to the file I believe. Here are details from the wiki re the mailing list limitations - https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists#Limitations - which says to send as attachments... >>> >>> I've pasted an image from my clipboard directly into this email as the very last thing and also saved it as a separate image file and also attached that to the email. If you see both images then both methods work, if you see "Posting" image WITHOUT "Netiquette" as the last line then pasting it directly in to the email as the very last thing works and if you see "Posting" image WITH "Netiquette" as the last line than attaching as a separate file works.... It may also depend on how your email software handles attached images so your mileage may vary :-) >>> >>> Cheers David H. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 06:34, Foad Kasiri > wrote: >>> Thanks for you prompt reply, the image was an attachment. Can you please advise where would be the best place to upload an image so I can provide a link for it. Thanks. >>> >>> Foad >>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 1:29 PM, David H > wrote: >>>> >>>> Foad, >>>> >>>> This mailing list doesn't support inline images, so no picture, so no idea what you mean when you say "I did the following...". You need to put a pic up somewhere and post a link, or I think from memory if you paste it into your email as the very last thing or attach it to your email it survives ok. >>>> >>>> Cheers David H. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 05:54, Foad Kasiri > wrote: >>>> Hi: >>>> I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. Thanks. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Foad >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 00:46:36 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 14:46:36 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Foad, You could likely pay the dividend to yourself out of Retained Earnings annotated accordingly. Other than that local practice and any tax treatment may need to be considered. E.g. If you are subject to company tax whether your dividend is paid out after tax or before tax which could have imp[lications if your jurisdiction has a tax imputation scheme. Best to consult a local accountant who is familiar with your jurisdictional rules and requirements. There will be a credit entry to the bank account for the dividend amount and a debit entry to Equity:Retained earnings for the same amount. If the dividend is more complex and was a distribution to other shareholders then it might be more appropriate to create an Equity:Dividends Paid account in which the dividend payments to the individual shareholders were recorded and first transfer the total amount for the dividends into that account and record the individual payments to shareholders against this account against it. David Cousens On Mon, 2021-10-11 at 12:53 -0700, Foad Kasiri wrote: > Hi: > I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant > incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to > myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance > and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. > Thanks. > > Best regards, > > Foad > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From foad.kasiri at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 01:23:20 2021 From: foad.kasiri at gmail.com (Foad Kasiri) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 22:23:20 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Dividend payout entry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you David for your helpful information. The Canadian Corporate Tax (T2) does no longer consider dividend payout tax deductable. As such, I would like to know if the dividend entry that I have done in the retaining earning is correct and enough or need I do more? Thanks. Foad > On Oct 11, 2021, at 9:46 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > > Foad, > > You could likely pay the dividend to yourself out of Retained Earnings annotated > accordingly. Other than that local practice and any tax treatment may need to be > considered. E.g. If you are subject to company tax whether your dividend is paid > out after tax or before tax which could have imp[lications if your jurisdiction > has a tax imputation scheme. Best to consult a local accountant who is familiar > with your jurisdictional rules and requirements. > > There will be a credit entry to the bank account for the dividend amount and a debit entry to Equity:Retained earnings for the same amount. > If the dividend is more complex and was a distribution to other shareholders > then it might be more appropriate to create an Equity:Dividends Paid account in > which the dividend payments to the individual shareholders were recorded and > first transfer the total amount for the dividends into that account and record > the individual payments to shareholders against this account against it. > > David Cousens > > > On Mon, 2021-10-11 at 12:53 -0700, Foad Kasiri wrote: >> Hi: >> I live in Canada and work as a consultant under my own one person consultant >> incorporated company . I was wondering how to enter the dividend payout to >> myself in Gnucash? I have Equity folder with two subfolders: Opening Balance >> and Retained Earning. I did the following but I think it is more entry needed. >> Thanks. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Foad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From mrs.reynoso at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 15:29:37 2021 From: mrs.reynoso at gmail.com (Lisa Reynoso) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:29:37 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes Message-ID: I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long I really don't want to switch. Lisa -- Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm or giving up. Personal blog | Facebook Page From gmccollam at live.com Tue Oct 12 16:43:16 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:43:16 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To reconcile an account, from an accounting perspective, you only want to reconcile the transactions in that one account. You don't reconcile the transaction in the other accounts, be they debit or credit. They get reconciled when you reconcile that account and in some cases, they never get reconciled if you the other account is one you don't reconcile. Therefore, you don't have "to hunt for the opposite transaction" as you say. I have been using this program since February of 2015 and it has never worked the way you describe and I wouldn't want it to do that. If I move money from one bank to another, I want to reconcile each bank account from that bank's statement and wouldn't want transaction in bank "B" to be marked as reconciled when I reconcile bank "A". Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Lisa Reynoso Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 3:29 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long I really don't want to switch. Lisa -- Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm or giving up. Personal blog | Facebook Page _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 17:09:27 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 07:09:27 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <398b9b5bafb1888e83cc1fa511fda158b9a35054.camel@gmail.com> Lisa It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and which version you have now upgraded to. On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the account structure. Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. David Cousens On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: > I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it before I was > married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. > > Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then I > install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the old version > (or in my most recent case, I just started over, because the computer > reformatted without my permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When this > latest install happened, something had changed about how the reconciliation > works. Always before when I had a transfer from one subaccount within an > account to another, or if it was a split transaction, when I would check > one box in the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that > transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas money at the > end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. I could transfer from > the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when I reconciled, I could check > one box and it would mark them on both the credit and debit sides, without > me having to hunt for the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a > check, I usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was > click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from the > same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. And I can't > find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does that anymore. Anyone > have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, > since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring > within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. > Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which split > transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready to try to find > some other software, but I've used this for so long I really don't want to > switch. > > Lisa > From mrs.reynoso at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:17:22 2021 From: mrs.reynoso at gmail.com (Lisa Reynoso) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:17:22 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: <398b9b5bafb1888e83cc1fa511fda158b9a35054.camel@gmail.com> References: <398b9b5bafb1888e83cc1fa511fda158b9a35054.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1913E527-5D4F-4FA3-8DAF-4D500FAE1A8B@gmail.com> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 years ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing that on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did most of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in a calculator. But I digress. There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, school bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or left the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. Lisa Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > > ?Lisa > > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and which version > you have now upgraded to. > > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry there is a > checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is not checked. Try > selecting that when starting the reconciliation and see if that restores some of > the functionality you are used to. As far as I can tell once you have selected > that option in the dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely sure how > sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the account structure. > > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as such only marks > the splits of a transaction into that that account. You do not reconcile a whole > transaction unless you have individually reconciled all accounts that the > transaction has splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled > will generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and splits > to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of GNuCash did do this > then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been using GnuCash for a similar > period of time and I can't recall any version in which a whole transaction not > just the split was reconciled. > > David Cousens > >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it before I was >> married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then I >> install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the old version >> (or in my most recent case, I just started over, because the computer >> reformatted without my permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When this >> latest install happened, something had changed about how the reconciliation >> works. Always before when I had a transfer from one subaccount within an >> account to another, or if it was a split transaction, when I would check >> one box in the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas money at the >> end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. I could transfer from >> the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when I reconciled, I could check >> one box and it would mark them on both the credit and debit sides, without >> me having to hunt for the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a >> check, I usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was >> click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from the >> same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. And I can't >> find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does that anymore. Anyone >> have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, >> since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring >> within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which split >> transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready to try to find >> some other software, but I've used this for so long I really don't want to >> switch. >> >> Lisa >> > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:34:54 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 19:34:54 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: <1913E527-5D4F-4FA3-8DAF-4D500FAE1A8B@gmail.com> References: <398b9b5bafb1888e83cc1fa511fda158b9a35054.camel@gmail.com> <1913E527-5D4F-4FA3-8DAF-4D500FAE1A8B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s to outside accounts. If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. Were you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you start over, possibly different somehow this time? On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso wrote: > Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 years > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. > > Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing > that on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did > most of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers > in a calculator. But I digress. > > There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, school > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. > > But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking account > from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries (or vice > versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the debit > would check automatically as well, and the balance on the reconciliation > would not change, because no money actually entered or left the checking. > It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one and then scroll > down to find the other. I make several dozen of these transactions every > month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. > > I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. > > Lisa > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > > > > ?Lisa > > > > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and which > version > > you have now upgraded to. > > > > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry there > is a > > checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is not checked. Try > > selecting that when starting the reconciliation and see if that restores > some of > > the functionality you are used to. As far as I can tell once you have > selected > > that option in the dialog for a given account it remains in force for > subsequent > > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely sure > how > > sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the account > structure. > > > > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as such > only marks > > the splits of a transaction into that that account. You do not reconcile > a whole > > transaction unless you have individually reconciled all accounts that > the > > transaction has splits to. Splits to an account which has not been > reconciled > > will generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and > splits > > to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of GNuCash did > do this > > then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been using GnuCash for a > similar > > period of time and I can't recall any version in which a whole > transaction not > > just the split was reconciled. > > > > David Cousens > > > >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: > >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it before I > was > >> married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. > >> > >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then I > >> install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the old > version > >> (or in my most recent case, I just started over, because the computer > >> reformatted without my permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When > this > >> latest install happened, something had changed about how the > reconciliation > >> works. Always before when I had a transfer from one subaccount within an > >> account to another, or if it was a split transaction, when I would check > >> one box in the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that > >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas money at > the > >> end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. I could transfer > from > >> the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when I reconciled, I could check > >> one box and it would mark them on both the credit and debit sides, > without > >> me having to hunt for the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I > deposit a > >> check, I usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do > was > >> click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from > the > >> same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. And I > can't > >> find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does that anymore. Anyone > >> have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, > >> since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring > >> within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. > >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which split > >> transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready to try to > find > >> some other software, but I've used this for so long I really don't want > to > >> switch. > >> > >> Lisa > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From mrs.reynoso at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 23:31:44 2021 From: mrs.reynoso at gmail.com (Lisa Reynoso) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8@gmail.com> Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only time this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers back and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. Or what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still there). I?ll let you know how it goes. Lisa Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson wrote: > > ? > Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s to outside accounts. > > If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. Were you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you start over, possibly different somehow this time? > > > >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 years ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. >> >> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing that on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did most of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in a calculator. But I digress. >> >> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, school bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. >> >> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or left the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >> >> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >> >> Lisa >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >> > >> > ?Lisa >> > >> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and which version >> > you have now upgraded to. >> > >> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry there is a >> > checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is not checked. Try >> > selecting that when starting the reconciliation and see if that restores some of >> > the functionality you are used to. As far as I can tell once you have selected >> > that option in the dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely sure how >> > sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the account structure. >> > >> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as such only marks >> > the splits of a transaction into that that account. You do not reconcile a whole >> > transaction unless you have individually reconciled all accounts that the >> > transaction has splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled >> > will generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and splits >> > to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of GNuCash did do this >> > then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been using GnuCash for a similar >> > period of time and I can't recall any version in which a whole transaction not >> > just the split was reconciled. >> > >> > David Cousens >> > >> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it before I was >> >> married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >> >> >> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then I >> >> install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the old version >> >> (or in my most recent case, I just started over, because the computer >> >> reformatted without my permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When this >> >> latest install happened, something had changed about how the reconciliation >> >> works. Always before when I had a transfer from one subaccount within an >> >> account to another, or if it was a split transaction, when I would check >> >> one box in the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas money at the >> >> end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. I could transfer from >> >> the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when I reconciled, I could check >> >> one box and it would mark them on both the credit and debit sides, without >> >> me having to hunt for the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a >> >> check, I usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was >> >> click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from the >> >> same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. And I can't >> >> find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does that anymore. Anyone >> >> have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, >> >> since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring >> >> within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. >> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which split >> >> transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready to try to find >> >> some other software, but I've used this for so long I really don't want to >> >> switch. >> >> >> >> Lisa >> >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From drbboyd at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 17:49:17 2021 From: drbboyd at gmail.com (Billie-Internet) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:49:17 -0400 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong Message-ID: I have deleted some transactions that I thought were not cleared but they must have been because when I went to reconcile the checking account, my beginning balance is wrong. I did correct some imbalances on split transactions and I did delete some transactions but I THOUGHT I had checked to make sure none were reconcilled. I suspect changing split transactions was my problem. I have been reading documentation about reconcilliation but I have not been able to find out if I can revert to a previous reconcilliation so that the transactions I deleted, won't be deleted. Is there a "return to point" like in windows? To go with that, I have been trying to figure out in reports, how to get a previous reconcilliation report for the checking account. Sadly, I am used to the dreaded QB and just clicking , previous reconcilliation. Billie 706-383-9057 From hellvee at gmail.com Wed Oct 13 18:19:57 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:19:57 +1000 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Billie, Try the Transaction Report - set the options to select your "checking account" on the Accounts tab and on the filter tab select "Unreconciled only" for the Reconciliation status which should display your unreconciled txns for the checking account. First copy your current Gnucash file somewhere safe just in case... Start the reconcile process again and ignore the starting balance for the moment as you may have inadvertently unreconciled 1 or more txns. Enter the end date and balance you are reconciling up to and see if it agrees with your ending statement balance if it does all good as this is what really counts :-) This will also display your unreconciled txns - see if that makes sense, if not you can cancel the reconciliation without finishing. I'm going to assume you're using Windows, running Gnucash 4.x and saving your file as the default XML file here as you didn't say... If you do have to go back to a prior backup then look in the folder where you save your Gnucash data file for files with names that include a date and time in the name and end with ".gnucash" e.g. .gnucash.20210909160501.gnucash where is YOUR gnucash filename - you can tell from the data and time embedded in the file name when the backup is from. Use file open to open it and file save to save it as your Gnucash file name as you don't really want the date and time in your file name going forward :-) Cheers David H. Also a bit re backup files from the Gnucash wiki... XML (default)GnuCash makes local backups for you every time it saves your file. You must save your file (by clicking the Save button or using Autosave functionality in the preferences). It does this by renaming the previous version of the file with a date-time-stamp and a new .gnucash suffix. For example, if your data file is named MyAccounts.gnucash, one of the backups might be named MyAccounts.gnucash.20140131150812.gnucash. On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 07:51, Billie-Internet wrote: > I have deleted some transactions that I thought were not cleared but they > must have been because when I went to reconcile the checking account, my > beginning balance is wrong. I did correct some imbalances on split > transactions and I did delete some transactions but I THOUGHT I had checked > to make sure none were reconcilled. I suspect changing split transactions > was my problem. > > I have been reading documentation about reconcilliation but I have not been > able to find out if I can revert to a previous reconcilliation so that the > transactions I deleted, won't be deleted. Is there a "return to point" > like in windows? > > To go with that, I have been trying to figure out in reports, how to get a > previous reconcilliation report for the checking account. Sadly, I am used > to the dreaded QB and just clicking , previous reconcilliation. > > > > Billie > 706-383-9057 > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gmccollam at live.com Wed Oct 13 19:20:03 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 23:20:03 +0000 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Billie, If you do a File/Open you will see all the saved GNUCash points to which you can restore. However, you will lose all transactions from that point forward, not just the reconciliations. However, you don't have to. When you do your next reconciliation, it will just have a different starting balance. Any transactions that were "accidentally" unreconciled can just be reconciled again and you will get to your current reconciliation balance. Provided you did not delete transactions that were not really meant to be deleted. If you, did you can just enter them again with the proper date and reconcile them as needed. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Billie-Internet Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:49 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong I have deleted some transactions that I thought were not cleared but they must have been because when I went to reconcile the checking account, my beginning balance is wrong. I did correct some imbalances on split transactions and I did delete some transactions but I THOUGHT I had checked to make sure none were reconcilled. I suspect changing split transactions was my problem. I have been reading documentation about reconcilliation but I have not been able to find out if I can revert to a previous reconcilliation so that the transactions I deleted, won't be deleted. Is there a "return to point" like in windows? To go with that, I have been trying to figure out in reports, how to get a previous reconcilliation report for the checking account. Sadly, I am used to the dreaded QB and just clicking , previous reconcilliation. Billie 706-383-9057 _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From medinaduran at hotmail.com Tue Oct 12 20:24:47 2021 From: medinaduran at hotmail.com (J Medina) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 00:24:47 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Online price retrieval Message-ID: Gentlemen/Ladies, I want to install Finance::Quote on Windows10 Could you please give me a bit more detailed explanation on how to do this >>> Run Start ? GnuCash ? Install Online Price Retrieval. I understand I need to do this from the command prompt ...I just need a more substantial explanation even if it is a broad one. Thank you a lot. From hellvee at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 01:50:21 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:50:21 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Online price retrieval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lots of info at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes if you want to read up on it. There's a menu item for it - left click on the start menu windows logo, left click on "A" in the list of installed programs, then left click "G" for Gnucash and then open the Gnucash folder and click on the "Install Online Price Retrieval for GnuCash" shortcut in the folder and let it do it's thing. This will also install Strawberry Perl for you as it needs that to run - can take 5 - 10 minutes so wait until it finishes. Cheers David H. On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 15:36, J Medina wrote: > Gentlemen/Ladies, > > I want to install Finance::Quote on Windows10 > > Could you please give me a bit more detailed explanation on how to do this > >>> Run Start ? GnuCash ? Install Online Price Retrieval. > > I understand I need to do this from the command prompt ...I just need a > more substantial explanation even if it is a broad one. Thank you a lot. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gnucash at acarver.net Thu Oct 14 02:43:54 2021 From: gnucash at acarver.net (AC) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 23:43:54 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Compiling 2.6.19 Message-ID: I'm having a bit of trouble compiling 2.6.19 (so that I can begin the upgrade process for the data) but the dependencies are not being met. All the base dependency packages are installed but the versioning seems to be off or package names have changed and don't expose old library names. For example, I'm installing on Debian 9 Buster and I get errors about webkit-1.0 despite having installed despite having libwebkit2gtk-4.0-dev, libqtwebkit-dev, libqt5webkit5-dev, libkf5webkit-dev, and just about every other webkit library I can find installed. I did also run the build-dep to pull in anything else. There's probably going to be others but the configure script stops at the webkit test. The package manager only has up to 3.4 and I'm trying to make my way to 4.8. From goodchris96 at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 2021 From: goodchris96 at gmail.com (Chris Good) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 18:11:57 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes Message-ID: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> Hi Lisa, This change was done under https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 for reasons explained in the bug. The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction to the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather than just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account being reconciled. This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing the reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading until you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security issue (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release will have been found and probably fixed. It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for different types of expenses. I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into different income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of those accounts. Regards, Chris Good Message: 6 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 From: Lisa Reynoso To: David Carlson Cc: DaveC49 , Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only time this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers back and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. Or what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still there). I?ll let you know how it goes. Lisa Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson wrote: > > ? > Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s to outside accounts. > > If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. Were you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you start over, possibly different somehow this time? > > > >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 years ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. >> >> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing that on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did most of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in a calculator. But I digress. >> >> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, school bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. >> >> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or left the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >> >> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >> >> Lisa >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >> > >> > ?Lisa >> > >> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and >> > which version you have now upgraded to. >> > >> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry >> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is >> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation >> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. >> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the >> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the account structure. >> > >> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as >> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. >> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have >> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has >> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will >> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and >> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of >> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been >> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. >> > >> > David Cousens >> > >> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it >> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >> >> >> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then >> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the >> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, >> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that >> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something >> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when >> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, >> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in >> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas >> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. >> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when >> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both >> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the >> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually >> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click >> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from >> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. >> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does >> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. >> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which >> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready >> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long >> >> I really don't want to switch. >> >> >> >> Lisa >> >> From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 07:26:51 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 07:26:51 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> Chris, I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using sub accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been discussed on the lists over the years. David T. -------- Original Message -------- From: Chris Good Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes Hi Lisa, This change was done under https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 for reasons explained in the bug. The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction to the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather than just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account being reconciled. This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing the reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading until you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security issue (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release will have been found and probably fixed. It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for different types of expenses. I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into different income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of those accounts. Regards, Chris Good Message: 6 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 From: Lisa Reynoso To: David Carlson Cc: DaveC49 , Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only time this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers back and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. Or what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still there). I?ll let you know how it goes. Lisa Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson wrote: > > ? > Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s to outside accounts. > > If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. Were you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you start over, possibly different somehow this time? > > > >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 years ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. >> >> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing that on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did most of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in a calculator. But I digress. >> >> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, school bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. >> >> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or left the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >> >> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >> >> Lisa >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >> > >> > ?Lisa >> > >> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and >> > which version you have now upgraded to. >> > >> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry >> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is >> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation >> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. >> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the >> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the account structure. >> > >> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as >> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. >> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have >> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has >> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will >> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and >> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of >> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been >> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. >> > >> > David Cousens >> > >> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it >> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >> >> >> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then >> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the >> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, >> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that >> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something >> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when >> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, >> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in >> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas >> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. >> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when >> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both >> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the >> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually >> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click >> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from >> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. >> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does >> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as long for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on my bank statement. >> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which >> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready >> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long >> >> I really don't want to switch. >> >> >> >> Lisa >> >> _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From derek at ihtfp.com Thu Oct 14 07:52:30 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 07:52:30 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chris, Lisa, Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your budget items. I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single transaction). The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some additional logic: If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive processes. I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying toothpaste and gas together, the splits for Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they would both be credits in the same transaction). -derek On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > Chris, > > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using sub > accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been > discussed on the lists over the years. > > David T. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: Chris Good > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > Hi Lisa, > > This change was done under https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 > for reasons explained in the bug. > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction to > the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather > than > just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account > being reconciled. > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing the > reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other > splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. > > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading > until > you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security > issue > (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. > > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a > little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release > will > have been found and probably fixed. > > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for > different types of expenses. > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into > different > income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of > those accounts. > > Regards, > Chris Good > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 > From: Lisa Reynoso > To: David Carlson > Cc: DaveC49 , Gnucash Users > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two > decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only time > this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. > > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers > back > and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. > Or > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. > > Lisa > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson > wrote: >> >> ? >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s >> to > outside accounts. >> >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. > Were > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you > start > over, possibly different somehow this time? >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso >>> wrote: >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 >>> years > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. >>> >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing > that > on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did > most > of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in a > calculator. But I digress. >>> >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, > school > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. >>> >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries > (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the > debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the > reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or left > the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one > and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these > transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >>> >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >>> >>> Lisa >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Lisa >>> > >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. >>> > >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is >>> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation >>> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the > account > structure. >>> > >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and >>> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of >>> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been >>> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. >>> > >>> > David Cousens >>> > >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >>> >> >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then >>> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the >>> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, >>> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that >>> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something >>> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when >>> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, >>> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in >>> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >>> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas >>> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when >>> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both >>> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the >>> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually >>> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click >>> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from >>> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as >>> long > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on > my > bank statement. >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which >>> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready >>> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long >>> >> I really don't want to switch. >>> >> >>> >> Lisa >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From rsbrux at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 08:32:53 2021 From: rsbrux at yahoo.com (rsbrux) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:32:53 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund References: Message-ID: I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate.? The rebate isn't subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as "Reward Points" until I cash them in.? The amount is then credited to the card account as a payment.? Should such payments be recorded as income or as a negative expense? From steve.welch.1 at icloud.com Thu Oct 14 09:07:15 2021 From: steve.welch.1 at icloud.com (Steve Welch) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:07:15 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C2A110B-D481-4B60-BEEE-3248FE382565@icloud.com> Because the rewards aren?t necessarily attributable to any one expense (or to split them out proportionately would be a whole lot of work), I always book them to miscellaneous income. I also include that income when I budget. Hope that helps, Steve Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:34 AM, rsbrux via gnucash-user wrote: > > ?I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate. The rebate isn't subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as "Reward Points" until I cash them in. The amount is then credited to the card account as a payment. Should such payments be recorded as income or as a negative expense? > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From jcf_m_lists at me.com Thu Oct 14 09:14:15 2021 From: jcf_m_lists at me.com (Jack Frillman) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:14:15 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: <8C2A110B-D481-4B60-BEEE-3248FE382565@icloud.com> References: <8C2A110B-D481-4B60-BEEE-3248FE382565@icloud.com> Message-ID: <3a6ebfc2-97e1-f268-5888-6f583fb147f6@me.com> I also put it into a miscellaneous income. On 10/14/21 9:07 AM, Steve Welch via gnucash-user wrote: > Because the rewards aren?t necessarily attributable to any one expense (or to split them out proportionately would be a whole lot of work), I always book them to miscellaneous income. I also include that income when I budget. > > Hope that helps, > > Steve > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:34 AM, rsbrux via gnucash-user wrote: >> >> ?I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate. The rebate isn't subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as "Reward Points" until I cash them in. The amount is then credited to the card account as a payment. Should such payments be recorded as income or as a negative expense? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Old Unix programmers never die, they just mv to /dev/null - Anonymous From gerald at dawsonhome.org Thu Oct 14 09:14:16 2021 From: gerald at dawsonhome.org (Gerald) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:14:16 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: <8C2A110B-D481-4B60-BEEE-3248FE382565@icloud.com> References: <8C2A110B-D481-4B60-BEEE-3248FE382565@icloud.com> Message-ID: I also treat it as miscellaneous income, and account for it when received, as a welcome windfall. You COULD allocate it against the credit card expenditure, as negative expense, which would be more realistic, but I like seeing a windfall gain once a year and then treat myself accordingly. Note that in some tax jurisdictions it could be treated as taxable income. On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 14:07, Steve Welch via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > Because the rewards aren?t necessarily attributable to any one expense (or > to split them out proportionately would be a whole lot of work), I always > book them to miscellaneous income. I also include that income when I > budget. > > Hope that helps, > > Steve > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:34 AM, rsbrux via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > > > > ?I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small > percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate. The rebate isn't > subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as "Reward > Points" until I cash them in. The amount is then credited to the card > account as a payment. Should such payments be recorded as income or as a > negative expense? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From steve.welch.1 at icloud.com Thu Oct 14 09:22:53 2021 From: steve.welch.1 at icloud.com (Steve Welch) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:22:53 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11B5D4A0-A9D9-4F30-B246-A7635707FC8B@icloud.com> One further thought: treating rewards as a negative expense will mask the true cost of whatever was purchased. If you stop using your rewards card, suddenly your apparent expenses will go up. Both professionally and personally I generally prefer to not muddy expense accounts with negative entries unless it really makes sense. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:34 AM, rsbrux via gnucash-user wrote: > > ?I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate. The rebate isn't subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as "Reward Points" until I cash them in. The amount is then credited to the card account as a payment. Should such payments be recorded as income or as a negative expense? > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From drbboyd at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 09:32:19 2021 From: drbboyd at gmail.com (Billie-Internet) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:32:19 -0400 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good Morning, I am running Version: 4.4 Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) on windows 10. I am having reconcile issues. Last night I got help from David H and was so frustrated I just quit for the night. I got up this morning and when I clicked to reconcile, my beginning balance was back to the correct amount. Yes, I suspect I am loosing my mind, it was back to the correct amount so I went forward with the reconcile and finished it. This is hard to explain. Yesterday, if I left reconcile and clicked to postpone, when I went back to reconcile, the marked transactions were no longer marked. This happened twice. That was part of the frustration and why I just quit last night. So today, while reconciling, rather than leave, I jumped back and forth from the check register that was open in the background to the reconcile to enter the few transactions that were on my bank statement but had not been put in the register. I had put these transactions in yesterday but they were gone today. By jumping back and forth, I was able to complete the reconcile and save the file. After I clicked finish and then clicked the save button on the menu bar, I did a file> save as and saved what I hope is a complete backup to my downloads file. I was trying to achieve a stop/start point at the completion of the reconcile. I did this with QB everymonth and I am not sure why I quit doing it with gnucash when I started using it at the beginning of this year. Now, however, since I did the save as, it appears gnu is saving every time to downloads instead of where I had it set to auto save to which is my company files. [image: image.png] So here are my questions. Does anyone have any idea why my system reverterted back to a month previous? Why would my reconcile not be saving the reconcile when I ask to postpone? How do I get my files backing up to my "company files" file where I normally save them? Could having a version of quickbooks open at the same time as gnucash have caused these issues? I had quickbooks open to get a report from last year for the accountant. One last question, will I ever become competant with this program? I used QB for 25 years and knew how to work with it but the thought of paying $200 a year for a program you should be able to buy, just killed me so I went to gnucash. I have been using gnucash since Jan 2021 and I am amazed that I am still struggling with split transactions not balancing!! I am just lamenting. I know there is no answer to this but time! Thanks for any and all help. Billie 706-383-9057 On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 6:20 PM David H wrote: > Billie, > > Try the Transaction Report - set the options to select your "checking > account" on the Accounts tab and on the filter tab select "Unreconciled > only" for the Reconciliation status which should display your unreconciled > txns for the checking account. > > First copy your current Gnucash file somewhere safe just in case... > > Start the reconcile process again and ignore the starting balance for the > moment as you may have inadvertently unreconciled 1 or more txns. Enter the > end date and balance you are reconciling up to and see if it agrees with > your ending statement balance if it does all good as this is what really > counts :-) This will also display your unreconciled txns - see if that > makes sense, if not you can cancel the reconciliation without finishing. > > I'm going to assume you're using Windows, running Gnucash 4.x and saving > your file as the default XML file here as you didn't say... > > If you do have to go back to a prior backup then look in the folder where > you save your Gnucash data file for files with names that include a date > and time in the name and end with ".gnucash" e.g. filename>.gnucash.20210909160501.gnucash where is > YOUR gnucash filename - you can tell from the data and time embedded in the > file name when the backup is from. Use file open to open it and file save > to save it as your Gnucash file name as you don't really want the date and > time in your file name going forward :-) > > Cheers David H. > > Also a bit re backup files from the Gnucash wiki... > > XML (default)GnuCash makes local backups for you every time it saves your > file. You must save your file (by clicking the Save button or using > Autosave functionality in the preferences). It does this by renaming the > previous version of the file with a date-time-stamp and a new .gnucash > suffix. For example, if your data file is named MyAccounts.gnucash, one of > the backups might be named MyAccounts.gnucash.20140131150812.gnucash. > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 07:51, Billie-Internet wrote: > >> I have deleted some transactions that I thought were not cleared but they >> must have been because when I went to reconcile the checking account, my >> beginning balance is wrong. I did correct some imbalances on split >> transactions and I did delete some transactions but I THOUGHT I had >> checked >> to make sure none were reconcilled. I suspect changing split >> transactions >> was my problem. >> >> I have been reading documentation about reconcilliation but I have not >> been >> able to find out if I can revert to a previous reconcilliation so that >> the >> transactions I deleted, won't be deleted. Is there a "return to point" >> like in windows? >> >> To go with that, I have been trying to figure out in reports, how to get a >> previous reconcilliation report for the checking account. Sadly, I am >> used >> to the dreaded QB and just clicking , previous reconcilliation. >> >> >> >> Billie >> 706-383-9057 >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 135439 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Thu Oct 14 09:44:00 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:44:00 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Online price retrieval Message-ID: <001a01d7c101$8c086f10$a4194d30$@usa.net> In the search box (the icon that looks like magnifying glass in the task bar) just type in "Install Online Price Retrieval for GnuCash" and press the "Enter" key to kick off the installation routine. You can follow the same process to upgrade now and then as well. If all goes well, you should get a message to the effect "* Installation succeeded" followed by "Press any key to continue . . ." message. Here is the final screen output that I see: Finance::Quote is up to date (1.51). * Check environment variable ALPHAVANTAGE_API_KEY *** *** You need an API key (from https://www.alphavantage.co) *** to run the Perl module Finance::Quote. *** *** Make it available to GnuCash by *** - setting the environment variable ALPHAVANTAGE_API_KEY or *** - starting GnuCash and adding the Alpha Vantage api key in *** Edit->Preferences->Online Quotes *** * Run gnc-fq-check ("1.51" "aex" "alphavantage" "amfiindia" "asegr" "asx" "aufunds" "australia" "bamosz" "bet" "bloomberg" "bourso" "bse" "bseindia" "canada" "canadamutual" "comdirect" "cse" "deka" "dutch" "dwsfunds" "europe" "fetch_live_currencies" "fidelity" "fidelity_direct" "finanzpartner" "fondsweb" "fool" "ftfunds" "fundata" "fundlibrary" "goldmoney" "greece" "hu" "hufund" "hungary" "hustock" "iexcloud" "india" "indiamutual" "known_currencies" "morningstarau" "morningstarjp" "mstaruk" "nasdaq" "nseindia" "nyse" "nzx" "onvista" "oslobors" "romania" "seb_funds" "six" "tiaacref" "tmx" "tradeville" "troweprice" "troweprice_direct" "tsp" "ukfunds" "unionfunds" "usa" "usfedbonds" "yahoo_json" "za") * Run gnc-fq-helper (#f) * Installation succeeded Press any key to continue . . . ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:50:21 +1000 From: David H To: J Medina Cc: "gnucash-user at gnucash.org" Subject: Re: [GNC] Online price retrieval Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Lots of info at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes if you want to read up on it. There's a menu item for it - left click on the start menu windows logo, left click on "A" in the list of installed programs, then left click "G" for Gnucash and then open the Gnucash folder and click on the "Install Online Price Retrieval for GnuCash" shortcut in the folder and let it do it's thing. This will also install Strawberry Perl for you as it needs that to run - can take 5 - 10 minutes so wait until it finishes. Cheers David H. On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 15:36, J Medina wrote: > Gentlemen/Ladies, > > I want to install Finance::Quote on Windows10 > > Could you please give me a bit more detailed explanation on how to do > this > >>> Run Start ? GnuCash ? Install Online Price Retrieval. > > I understand I need to do this from the command prompt ...I just need > a more substantial explanation even if it is a broad one. Thank you a lot. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ------------------------------ From derek at ihtfp.com Thu Oct 14 09:52:31 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 09:52:31 -0400 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9a62375078ca56c0bd482aa4eb2e68bb.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Hi, On Thu, October 14, 2021 9:32 am, Billie-Internet wrote: > Good Morning, > I am running > Version: 4.4 > Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) > on windows 10. > [snip] > So today, while reconciling, rather than leave, I jumped back and forth > from the check register that was open in the background to the reconcile > to > enter the few transactions that were on my bank statement but had not been > put in the register. I had put these transactions in yesterday but they > were gone today. For what it's worth, this is how I operate. I have the account register open next to the reconcile window and just go back and forth adding new transactions instead of exiting the reconcile every time. Considering sometimes I'm adding in 50 transactions, that would be a LOT of exiting sometimes! > After I clicked finish and then clicked the save button on the menu bar, I > did a file> save as and saved what I hope is a complete backup to my > downloads file. I was trying to achieve a stop/start point at the > completion of the reconcile. I did this with QB everymonth and I am not > sure why I quit doing it with gnucash when I started using it at the > beginning of this year. > Now, however, since I did the save as, it appears gnu is saving every time > to downloads instead of where I had it set to auto save to which is my > company files. Yes. By doing "Save As" you are telling GnuCash "this file is now located in this new location with this new name", and it will use that as the primary name going forward. To save as a backup you need to copy the file in the background, or, just after you File -> Save As, you should File -> Open the original file again. Note: If you have been making additional changes you should probably File -> Save As back to the original location. > [image: image.png] > So here are my questions. > Does anyone have any idea why my system reverterted back to a month > previous? Perhaps you opened a Backup file? Honestly, don't know. > Why would my reconcile not be saving the reconcile when I ask to postpone? Don't know. > How do I get my files backing up to my "company files" file where I > normally save them? See above. > Could having a version of quickbooks open at the same time as gnucash have > caused these issues? I had quickbooks open to get a report from last year > for the accountant. Extremely unlikely. I can't see how there would be any interaction between them. > One last question, will I ever become competant with this program? I used > QB for 25 years and knew how to work with it but the thought of paying > $200 > a year for a program you should be able to buy, just killed me so I went > to > gnucash. I have been using gnucash since Jan 2021 and I am amazed that I > am still struggling with split transactions not balancing!! I am just > lamenting. I know there is no answer to this but time! Yes, you will become proficient, eventually. There are certain "tricks" that you eventually learn as you use the program. For example, when entering a split transaction you should never hit the [Enter] key until you are absolutely done, and you should be sure you have an anchor split entered first, so the transaction doesn't disappear from the current view. Good Luck! > Thanks for any and all help. > > > Billie > 706-383-9057 > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From Fred at mandfb.me.uk Thu Oct 14 09:59:45 2021 From: Fred at mandfb.me.uk (Fred Bone) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:59:45 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Online price retrieval In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <616837D1.23600.1A01A07A@Fred.mandfb.me.uk> On 13 October 2021 at 0:24, J Medina said: > Gentlemen/Ladies, > > I want to install Finance::Quote on Windows10 > > Could you please give me a bit more detailed explanation on how to do this > >>> Run Start ? GnuCash ? Install Online Price Retrieval. > > I understand I need to do this from the command prompt ...I just need a > more substantial explanation even if it is a broad one. Thank you a lot. No, you do not do it from the command prompt. You run it from the Start menu. From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Thu Oct 14 10:19:03 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:19:03 -0400 Subject: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one Message-ID: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> A workflow questions for GNC users: 1 - My habits when it comes to payments for example credit card, mortgage, other bills, etc. is to scheduled it out in advance from the appropriate institutions that hold my bank accounts, such as checking, savings, etc. at a future date but within due date. In the sub-account register for the bank account, I like to some-how want to be able to differentiate that I have already scheduled up a transaction versus other transaction that is needed to be scheduled out. What I was hoping would be that is in the reconcile column there would be able to put user defined character, rather than just limited to 'y', 'c' and 'n' so that I can actually sort out and see what is actually scheduled out and what is not in that account. It seems that this is not possible so what would be the best way to differentiate between two in the register? I do use scheduling to auto enter certain transactions but I still verify with the bank that transaction is actually scheduled and want to mark that it has been confirmed as such. 2 - How should I be handling a transactions where for example my credit card credits my payment today but bank doesn't show the corresponding withdrawal transaction until 3 days later when the funds are actually withdrawn from the account. Currently one transaction will accept only one date for both side of the transactions but during import and reconcile time if I update + reconcile then the timestamp changes to whoever's transactions are reconciled last from the two accounts. This is somewhat super annoying because it re-arranges things in register so when you try to find an erroneous transaction of small amount, you cannot compare against the running ledger from the institution's on-line portal against entries in the register or the running total in the register entailing lots of manual back-and-forth in the register and possibly updating reconciled transactions. Thanks. From gcul209 at mynym.us Thu Oct 14 10:22:42 2021 From: gcul209 at mynym.us (Dustin Henning) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:22:42 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: <11B5D4A0-A9D9-4F30-B246-A7635707FC8B@icloud.com> References: <11B5D4A0-A9D9-4F30-B246-A7635707FC8B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <951e89b7-6aed-2bfd-f298-bd87f8b8ff04@mynym.us> Because it is not considered taxable income in my jurisdiction, and because I only use the credit card due to the fact that I will get rewards (otherwise I would be a check or cash guy), I record it as a negative miscellaneous expense.? Outside of jurisdictions where this would be considered taxable income, I believe the various replies to this thread confirm it's a matter of personal preference.? That having been said, regarding my wife's small business, our accountant did advise me to reduce the expense of whatever was purchased by the reward amount redeemed against the purchase(s).? Fortunately, my wife prefers to redeem it as a statement credit anyway, so it goes toward the purchase(s) on the statement being paid. Dustin On 10/14/21 9:22 AM, Steve Welch via gnucash-user wrote: > One further thought: treating rewards as a negative expense will mask the true cost of whatever was purchased. If you stop using your rewards card, suddenly your apparent expenses will go up. > > Both professionally and personally I generally prefer to not muddy expense accounts with negative entries unless it really makes sense. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:34 AM, rsbrux via gnucash-user wrote: >> >> ?I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate. The rebate isn't subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as "Reward Points" until I cash them in. The amount is then credited to the card account as a payment. 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From derek at ihtfp.com Thu Oct 14 10:32:03 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:32:03 -0400 Subject: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one In-Reply-To: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> References: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, October 14, 2021 10:19 am, Kalpesh Patel wrote: > A workflow questions for GNC users: > > > > 1 - My habits when it comes to payments for example credit card, mortgage, > other bills, etc. is to scheduled it out in advance from the appropriate > institutions that hold my bank accounts, such as checking, savings, etc. > at > a future date but within due date. In the sub-account register for the > bank > account, I like to some-how want to be able to differentiate that I have > already scheduled up a transaction versus other transaction that is needed > to be scheduled out. What I was hoping would be that is in the reconcile > column there would be able to put user defined character, rather than just > limited to 'y', 'c' and 'n' so that I can actually sort out and see what > is > actually scheduled out and what is not in that account. It seems that this > is not possible so what would be the best way to differentiate between two > in the register? I do use scheduling to auto enter certain transactions > but > I still verify with the bank that transaction is actually scheduled and > want > to mark that it has been confirmed as such. I only enter transactions into GnuCash when I schedule them with the bank. So if they are not in the bank's billpay system then they are not in GnuCash. > > > 2 - How should I be handling a transactions where for example my credit > card > credits my payment today but bank doesn't show the corresponding > withdrawal > transaction until 3 days later when the funds are actually withdrawn from > the account. Currently one transaction will accept only one date for both > side of the transactions but during import and reconcile time if I update > + > reconcile then the timestamp changes to whoever's transactions are > reconciled last from the two accounts. This is somewhat super annoying > because it re-arranges things in register so when you try to find an > erroneous transaction of small amount, you cannot compare against the > running ledger from the institution's on-line portal against entries in > the > register or the running total in the register entailing lots of manual > back-and-forth in the register and possibly updating reconciled > transactions. If the *exact date* is very important to you, then you need to use a suspense account for the in-transit payments. I'll just point out that MANY types of transactions have unknown time order. For example, when you write a check, it could be a MONTH before it gets cashed, but you better account for it when you write it to make sure there is always enough money in the account for the check to clear! The way I think about it is that I always want to be conservative in my bank account, so I would date any credits (withdrawals) from my bank account the day I schedule them to fire -- even if they only clear days later. For debits (deposits), I date them when I expect them to hit my account (e.g. if I sell some stock, the money doesn't get to me for a few days, so I date it a little in the future). Personally, I don't care about the *exact* date -- it being close is "good enough" for me. I use the reconcile process to find missing or errored transactions. It happens, sometimes -- fat fingering a number, swapping digits, or just missing a transaction. Sometimes outside reconciliation I do try to go against the bank's transaction list and look for matching balances. I understand your frustration when they don't line up! So sometimes you (I!) need to just do the mental matching to find what may be missing (often it's a transaction my wife made and didn't tell me). Regardless, forcing GnuCash to match all financial institutions leads to madness. > Thanks. > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From pbw at pbw.id.au Thu Oct 14 10:41:54 2021 From: pbw at pbw.id.au (Peter West) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 00:41:54 +1000 Subject: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one In-Reply-To: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> References: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> Message-ID: <72C693B1-C7C3-4F08-95AC-1484BA8EDE64@pbw.id.au> FWIW, when I receive a bill to be paid at some future date, I put the amount in as a liability against the appropriate expense account. I then schedule the payment for that future date, both at my bank and in the scheduled payments editor. In that case, the entry is from my cash account against the the liability account. IANAA. Peter ? Peter West pbw at ehealth.id.au ?This generation is an evil generation.? > On 15 Oct 2021, at 12:19 am, Kalpesh Patel wrote: > > A workflow questions for GNC users: > > > > 1 - My habits when it comes to payments for example credit card, mortgage, > other bills, etc. is to scheduled it out in advance from the appropriate > institutions that hold my bank accounts, such as checking, savings, etc. at > a future date but within due date. In the sub-account register for the bank > account, I like to some-how want to be able to differentiate that I have > already scheduled up a transaction versus other transaction that is needed > to be scheduled out. What I was hoping would be that is in the reconcile > column there would be able to put user defined character, rather than just > limited to 'y', 'c' and 'n' so that I can actually sort out and see what is > actually scheduled out and what is not in that account. It seems that this > is not possible so what would be the best way to differentiate between two > in the register? I do use scheduling to auto enter certain transactions but > I still verify with the bank that transaction is actually scheduled and want > to mark that it has been confirmed as such. > > > > 2 - How should I be handling a transactions where for example my credit card > credits my payment today but bank doesn't show the corresponding withdrawal > transaction until 3 days later when the funds are actually withdrawn from > the account. Currently one transaction will accept only one date for both > side of the transactions but during import and reconcile time if I update + > reconcile then the timestamp changes to whoever's transactions are > reconciled last from the two accounts. This is somewhat super annoying > because it re-arranges things in register so when you try to find an > erroneous transaction of small amount, you cannot compare against the > running ledger from the institution's on-line portal against entries in the > register or the running total in the register entailing lots of manual > back-and-forth in the register and possibly updating reconciled > transactions. > > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From gmccollam at live.com Thu Oct 14 10:55:50 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:55:50 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would depend on how your jurisdiction treats these rebates for tax purposes. If they are not taxable, you can treat them whichever way you like. I treat them as a negative expense, but if they are taxable you would need to record them in an income account. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of rsbrux via gnucash-user Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:32 AM To: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate. The rebate isn't subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as "Reward Points" until I cash them in. The amount is then credited to the card account as a payment. Should such payments be recorded as income or as a negative expense? _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From paul at kroitor.ca Thu Oct 14 11:38:14 2021 From: paul at kroitor.ca (paul at kroitor.ca) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 11:38:14 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: <11B5D4A0-A9D9-4F30-B246-A7635707FC8B@icloud.com> References: <11B5D4A0-A9D9-4F30-B246-A7635707FC8B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <01de01d7c111$8096cbd0$81c46370$@kroitor.ca> " will mask the true cost of whatever was purchased" It's all a matter of perspective. If I want 100 widgets at $10, but know I get 2% back on my credit card, I might look at that as a $980 item. The fact that I pay $1,000 now and get refunded $20 later is a cash flow issue. Not that I actually do that: take the diametrically opposed approach of deliberately forgetting that anything is ever coming back. Then my wife eventually finds a large rewards balance and uses it to pay for her vacation. -----Original Message----- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of Steve Welch via gnucash-user Sent: October 14, 2021 9:23 AM To: rsbrux Cc: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund One further thought: treating rewards as a negative expense will mask the true cost of whatever was purchased. If you stop using your rewards card, suddenly your apparent expenses will go up. Both professionally and personally I generally prefer to not muddy expense accounts with negative entries unless it really makes sense. Sent from my iPhone From stephen.m.butler51 at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 11:53:45 2021 From: stephen.m.butler51 at gmail.com (Steve Butler) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:53:45 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also record as misc. non-taxed income. Thinking of titling a new income account as "Rebates". On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 05:34 rsbrux via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > I have a credit card which, like a few others, accrues a small > percentage (1-2%) of the amounts spent as a rebate. The rebate isn't > subtracted from each charge, but accumulates in the card account as > "Reward Points" until I cash them in. The amount is then credited to > the card account as a payment. Should such payments be recorded as > income or as a negative expense? > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 11:59:30 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 10:59:30 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wonder if there is some confusion here between manually marking (or un-marking) account and sub-account transactions as reconciled (or not) vs the automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is initiated. The purpose of the pause before committing the reconciliation is to allow the user to uncheck the items that have not cleared to bring the cleared balance to match the outside bank statement or the user's desired result. I hope that GnuCash still pre-marks all un-reconciled account transactions (and sub-account transactions if they exist and the appropriate box is checked) dated before the reconciliation date when the reconciliation is started, as manually marking possibly hundreds of transactions at the beginning of the process would definitely be a pain. I do agree that each sub-account transaction line should be separately manually changeable. Because I am still running release 3.8 I cannot observe for myself how it works now, but release 3.8 does at least pre-mark all un-reconciled account transactions before the reconciliation date. I do not have sub-accounts in my data. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:53 AM Derek Atkins wrote: > Chris, Lisa, > > Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for > DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) > -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your > budget items. > > I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate > my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will > introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original > change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. > > In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this > is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two > expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed > at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for > different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, > except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- > but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single > transaction). > > The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use > case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some > additional logic: > > If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account > (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all > of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one > envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. > > However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where > you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single > transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same > transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my > desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive > processes. > > I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the > same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying > toothpaste and gas together, the splits for > Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next > to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they > would both be credits in the same transaction). > > -derek > > On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > > Chris, > > > > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting > > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using > sub > > accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been > > discussed on the lists over the years. > > > > David T. > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Chris Good > > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 > > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > > > Hi Lisa, > > > > This change was done under > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 > > for reasons explained in the bug. > > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction > to > > the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather > > than > > just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account > > being reconciled. > > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing > the > > reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other > > splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. > > > > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading > > until > > you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security > > issue > > (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. > > > > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a > > little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release > > will > > have been found and probably fixed. > > > > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for > > different types of expenses. > > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into > > different > > income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of > > those accounts. > > > > Regards, > > Chris Good > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 > > From: Lisa Reynoso > > To: David Carlson > > Cc: DaveC49 , Gnucash Users > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two > > decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only > time > > this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. > > > > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers > > back > > and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. > > Or > > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still > > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. > > > > Lisa > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson > > > wrote: > >> > >> ? > >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s > >> to > > outside accounts. > >> > >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent > > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. > > Were > > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you > > start > > over, possibly different somehow this time? > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso > >>> wrote: > >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 > >>> years > > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. > >>> > >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a > > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s > the > > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing > > that > > on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did > > most > > of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in > a > > calculator. But I digress. > >>> > >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, > > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, > > school > > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various > > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the > grocery > > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to > > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits > and > > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the > > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account > wouldn?t > > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. > >>> > >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking > > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to > groceries > > (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the > > debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the > > reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or > left > > the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one > > and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these > > transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. > >>> > >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. > >>> > >>> Lisa > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > >>> > > >>> > ?Lisa > >>> > > >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and > >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. > >>> > > >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry > >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is > >>> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation > >>> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. > >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the > >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent > >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely > > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the > > account > > structure. > >>> > > >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as > >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. > >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have > >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has > >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will > >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and > >>> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of > >>> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been > >>> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any > > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. > >>> > > >>> > David Cousens > >>> > > >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: > >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it > >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. > >>> >> > >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then > >>> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the > >>> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, > >>> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that > >>> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something > >>> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when > >>> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, > >>> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in > >>> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that > >>> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas > >>> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. > >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when > >>> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both > >>> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the > >>> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually > >>> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click > >>> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from > >>> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. > >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does > >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as > >>> long > > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of > > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on > > my > > bank statement. > >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which > >>> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready > >>> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long > >>> >> I really don't want to switch. > >>> >> > >>> >> Lisa > >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > -- > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 > derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com > Computer and Internet Security Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson From tlforrester at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 12:00:42 2021 From: tlforrester at gmail.com (Thomas Forrester) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 11:00:42 -0500 Subject: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one In-Reply-To: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> References: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> Message-ID: Interesting questions, Kalpesh. Not sure I fully understand your first question, so I'll answer the second first, then tell you how I handle auto-pay situations at the bank that have a corresponding scheduled transaction in GnuCash. So for #2, I let the actual cash account prevail where the date is concerned. That's the date my bank tells me the funds left my account. In the case of a credit card payment, for instance, the payment they receive falls within the statement cycle, so when reconciling the account the payment is there and obvious even if slightly off in date. That said, I really think it's up to you to decide which date you want to honor. You're definately not alone, though, I see those same date differences in reconciling my accounts, too. For #1, I have many template transactions for auto-pay payments I've set up with my bank, credit card companies, and even direct service providers like Netflix that have an auto-bill. These template transactions might even have dummy amounts as place holders so that the transaction gets into the registers. For example: Expenses:Utilities:Gas DR 1.00 Expenses:Utilities:Electric DR 1.00 Assets:Checking CR 2.00 Once I get the actual bill, I adjust the numbers to actual. When it comes to reconciling, I probably go about it very differently than most people. I have not bothered to set up online banking for direct transaction download into GnuCash from my financial institutions. Instead, I download the transactions manually from each institution in Quicken format, then import them into GnuCash. In the import wizard, I set all imported transactions to hit an account I call "Pending Distribution or Split" which is a top-level Equity account just like "Orphan" or "Imbalance". This puts every transaction into one place for me to review and distribute. In the case of a general purchase from Amazon or a grocery store, I look up the purchase and enter an accurate description and distribute to the proper account. If the transaction has a scheduled transaction entry in the register already that corresponds with an imported transaction, I just "jump" from the imported transaction to the register for the institution where the transaction downloaded from. It is usually within a transaction or two, or often right next to the scheduled transaction. So I check the dates on the two, and adjust the GnuCash scheduled transaction date to match the downloaded transaction date. Then I delete the downloaded transaction which takes it out of my "Pending" account as well as eliminates the duplicate transaction in the institution's register. The order I process transactions in the "Pending" account is 1) general purchases, 2) credit card reconciliations, and 3) bank account reconciliations. Payments made from checking to a credit card company will have two transactions in the "Pending" account when I do all my imports, one from the credit card company receiving a payment, and another from the bank making the payment. When I reconcile the credit card statement, it will generate a new payment transaction which credits my checking account. At this point, I delete the other two transactions. They can be deleted from the "Pending" account, or the institutions account, but I find it easier to see a duplicated amount in the institutions account and delete the one that's hitting the "Pending" account. So basically, I'm driven by downloaded transactions. GnuCash does a lot of the work through scheduled transactions to at least get the known, recurring transactions entered for me. But for those scheduled transactions that are variable from month to month (a utility bill, for instance), I put in dummy transactions that gets adjusted to actual amounts when I'm working my way through all the other downloaded transactions. Importing everything into my "Pending" account gives me one place to go see and review everything that's happened since I last downloaded everything. A complete cycle is complete for me when my "Pending" account is empty. I use an Excel spreadsheet to track the beginning and ending dates for transactions downloaded from each institution so I don't end up overlapping downloads. Hope that helps (someone, if not you, lol) Tom On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:20 AM Kalpesh Patel wrote: > A workflow questions for GNC users: > > > > 1 - My habits when it comes to payments for example credit card, mortgage, > other bills, etc. is to scheduled it out in advance from the appropriate > institutions that hold my bank accounts, such as checking, savings, etc. at > a future date but within due date. In the sub-account register for the bank > account, I like to some-how want to be able to differentiate that I have > already scheduled up a transaction versus other transaction that is needed > to be scheduled out. What I was hoping would be that is in the reconcile > column there would be able to put user defined character, rather than just > limited to 'y', 'c' and 'n' so that I can actually sort out and see what is > actually scheduled out and what is not in that account. It seems that this > is not possible so what would be the best way to differentiate between two > in the register? I do use scheduling to auto enter certain transactions but > I still verify with the bank that transaction is actually scheduled and > want > to mark that it has been confirmed as such. > > > > 2 - How should I be handling a transactions where for example my credit > card > credits my payment today but bank doesn't show the corresponding withdrawal > transaction until 3 days later when the funds are actually withdrawn from > the account. Currently one transaction will accept only one date for both > side of the transactions but during import and reconcile time if I update + > reconcile then the timestamp changes to whoever's transactions are > reconciled last from the two accounts. This is somewhat super annoying > because it re-arranges things in register so when you try to find an > erroneous transaction of small amount, you cannot compare against the > running ledger from the institution's on-line portal against entries in the > register or the running total in the register entailing lots of manual > back-and-forth in the register and possibly updating reconciled > transactions. > > > > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Tom Thomas L. Forrester 3211 Patty Lane Middleton, WI 53562-1652 USA 608-831-0769 From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 12:05:40 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (David T.) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:05:40 -0400 Subject: [GNC] A Couple of Budgeting Notes References: Message-ID: Hello, In recent days, I've been tinkering around (again) with GnuCash's budget features, and I thought I'd share a couple of things that were not obvious to me from the interface or the documentation with regards to setting budget values. First, it was not clear to me how the Estimate function operated. Specifically, if I use this function and leave the "Use Average" box unchecked, I didn't understand that each value in the result was derived from the corresponding period in sequence in the sample. In other words, the first budget amount was set to the first period transactions, the second budget amount to the second period of transactions, and so on. As an example, imagine I have a 12-month budget from 3/1/2020 to 2/28/2021, and I set the Estimator to use transactions from 10/1/2010. The amount budgeted for 3/1/2020 will be equal to the transactions in 10/2010, 4/1/2020 will be equal to the transactions in 11/2010, etc. On this subject, the Guide simply says that the estimator will look at all transactions in the selected period but doesn't explain how the numbers are derived or allocated. Second, it may be of use to others to know that it is easy to set some accounts to use an equal budgeted amount, while setting others to vary over time to reflect seasonal changes in amounts. The way to accomplish this is to use the Estimate function separately for each type of budget account. Open the Estimate option, select the accounts for which you want varying amounts and uncheck the Use Average button. Now, repeat the process for the fixed value accounts, and check the Use Average box. Your budget will now have both fixed and varying amounts in the different accounts. As I said, this may be obvious to some, but it wasn't something that I realized for some time. I hope that sharing these points with the list will help others make more productive use of the budget features. Cheers, David T. From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 12:29:31 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:29:31 -0400 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong In-Reply-To: <9a62375078ca56c0bd482aa4eb2e68bb.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> References: <9a62375078ca56c0bd482aa4eb2e68bb.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: Derek,? Billie, I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess that the various problems (unsaved changes, reversion to different points, lost progress, etc.) have to do with the attempts to back up the data file using Save As. It would be very easy under these circumstances to access the wrong file and wonder where the last set of changes had gone. And to take another point up here, Billie, you didn't ask specifically, but I imagine you probably should take a look at the wiki page on backups (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup) as well as the FAQ entries about file naming (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Basics:_Filenames.2C_Directories.2C_...). David T. -------- Original Message -------- From: Derek Atkins Sent: Thu Oct 14 09:52:31 EDT 2021 To: Billie-Internet Cc: Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong Hi, On Thu, October 14, 2021 9:32 am, Billie-Internet wrote: > Good Morning, > I am running > Version: 4.4 > Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) > on windows 10. > [snip] > So today, while reconciling, rather than leave, I jumped back and forth > from the check register that was open in the background to the reconcile > to > enter the few transactions that were on my bank statement but had not been > put in the register. I had put these transactions in yesterday but they > were gone today. For what it's worth, this is how I operate. I have the account register open next to the reconcile window and just go back and forth adding new transactions instead of exiting the reconcile every time. Considering sometimes I'm adding in 50 transactions, that would be a LOT of exiting sometimes! > After I clicked finish and then clicked the save button on the menu bar, I > did a file> save as and saved what I hope is a complete backup to my > downloads file. I was trying to achieve a stop/start point at the > completion of the reconcile. I did this with QB everymonth and I am not > sure why I quit doing it with gnucash when I started using it at the > beginning of this year. > Now, however, since I did the save as, it appears gnu is saving every time > to downloads instead of where I had it set to auto save to which is my > company files. Yes. By doing "Save As" you are telling GnuCash "this file is now located in this new location with this new name", and it will use that as the primary name going forward. To save as a backup you need to copy the file in the background, or, just after you File -> Save As, you should File -> Open the original file again. Note: If you have been making additional changes you should probably File -> Save As back to the original location. > [image: image.png] > So here are my questions. > Does anyone have any idea why my system reverterted back to a month > previous? Perhaps you opened a Backup file? Honestly, don't know. > Why would my reconcile not be saving the reconcile when I ask to postpone? Don't know. > How do I get my files backing up to my "company files" file where I > normally save them? See above. > Could having a version of quickbooks open at the same time as gnucash have > caused these issues? I had quickbooks open to get a report from last year > for the accountant. Extremely unlikely. I can't see how there would be any interaction between them. > One last question, will I ever become competant with this program? I used > QB for 25 years and knew how to work with it but the thought of paying > $200 > a year for a program you should be able to buy, just killed me so I went > to > gnucash. I have been using gnucash since Jan 2021 and I am amazed that I > am still struggling with split transactions not balancing!! I am just > lamenting. I know there is no answer to this but time! Yes, you will become proficient, eventually. There are certain "tricks" that you eventually learn as you use the program. For example, when entering a split transaction you should never hit the [Enter] key until you are absolutely done, and you should be sure you have an anchor split entered first, so the transaction doesn't disappear from the current view. Good Luck! > Thanks for any and all help. > > > Billie > 706-383-9057 > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From drbboyd at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 16:42:43 2021 From: drbboyd at gmail.com (Billie-Internet) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:42:43 -0400 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong In-Reply-To: References: <9a62375078ca56c0bd482aa4eb2e68bb.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: David, These problems started before the save as issue. Before that, all I ever used was the save button on the menu. [image: image.png] I did read the info on file names before asking question so I knew what file I was looking for . I did not know about the wiki on backups. I will read it as follow up. FYI to all, reconcile is still not holding checked transactions. Billie 706-383-9057 On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:31 PM D. wrote: > Derek, Billie, > > I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess that the various > problems (unsaved changes, reversion to different points, lost progress, > etc.) have to do with the attempts to back up the data file using Save As. > It would be very easy under these circumstances to access the wrong file > and wonder where the last set of changes had gone. > > And to take another point up here, Billie, you didn't ask specifically, > but I imagine you probably should take a look at the wiki page on backups ( > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup) as well as the FAQ entries about > file naming ( > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Basics:_Filenames.2C_Directories.2C_...). > > > David T. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Derek Atkins > *Sent:* Thu Oct 14 09:52:31 EDT 2021 > *To:* Billie-Internet > *Cc:* Gnucash Users > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong > > Hi, > > On Thu, October 14, 2021 9:32 am, Billie-Internet wrote: > >> Good Morning, >> I am running >> Version: 4.4 >> Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) >> on windows 10. > > > [snip] > >> So today, while reconciling, rather than leave, I jumped back and forth >> from the check register that was open in the background to the reconcile >> to >> enter the few transactions that were on my bank statement but had not been >> put in the register. I had put these transactions in yesterday but they >> were gone today. >> > > For what it's worth, this is how I operate. I have the account register > open next to the reconcile window and just go back and forth adding new > transactions instead of exiting the reconcile every time. Considering > sometimes I'm adding in 50 transactions, that would be a LOT of exiting > sometimes! > > After I clicked finish and then clicked the save button on the menu bar, I >> did a file> save as and saved what I hope is a complete backup to my >> downloads file. I was trying to achieve a stop/start point at the >> completion of the reconcile. I did this with QB everymonth and I am not >> sure why I quit doing it with gnucash when I started using it at the >> beginning of this year. >> Now, however, since I did the save as, it appears gnu is saving every time >> to downloads instead of where I had it set to auto save to which is my >> company files. >> > > Yes. By doing "Save As" you are telling GnuCash "this file is now located > in this new location with this new name", and it will use that as the > primary name going forward. To save as a backup you need to copy the file > in the background, or, just after you File -> Save As, you should File -> > Open the original file again. > > Note: If you have been making additional changes you should probably File > -> Save As back to the original location. > > [image: image.png] >> So here are my questions. >> Does anyone have any idea why my system reverterted back to a month >> previous? >> > > Perhaps you opened a Backup file? Honestly, don't know. > > Why would my reconcile not be saving the reconcile when I ask to postpone? >> > > Don't know. > > How do I get my files backing up to my "company files" file where I >> normally save them? >> > > See above. > > Could having a version of quickbooks open at the same time as gnucash have >> caused these issues? I had quickbooks open to get a report from last year >> for the accountant. >> > > Extremely unlikely. I can't see how there would be any interaction between > them. > > One last question, will I ever become competant with this program? I used >> QB for 25 years and knew how to work with it but the thought of paying >> $200 >> a year for a program you should be able to buy, just killed me so I went >> to >> gnucash. I have been using gnucash since Jan 2021 and I am amazed that I >> am still struggling with split transactions not balancing!! I am just >> lamenting. I know there is no answer to this but time! >> > > Yes, you will become proficient, eventually. There are certain "tricks" > that you eventually learn as you use the program. For example, when > entering a split transaction you should never hit the [Enter] key until > you are absolutely done, and you should be sure you have an anchor split > entered first, so the transaction doesn't disappear from the current view. > > Good Luck! > > Thanks for any and all help. >> >> >> Billie >> 706-383-9057 >> > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > -derek > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did also run the build-dep to pull in anything else. > > There's probably going to be others but the configure script stops at > the webkit test. > > The package manager only has up to 3.4 and I'm trying to make my way to 4.8. WebKit1 and WebKit2 are different APIs, and the last WebKitGtk that supported the WebKit1 API was 2.4.11. Browser software is for nearly all users the best attack vector into their machines and so gets the most attention from both security researchers and the bad guys. Distros aren't comfortable shipping old browser software, but for several years most of them kept WebKitGtk-2.4.11 specifically to support GnuCash only because GnuCash doesn't connect it to the outside; we been stuck on that release because it was the last one to support Gtk2 and we were in no hurry to update our GUI to Gtk3. That stopped the summer before our scheduled release of 3.0: Several distro packagers notified us that the upcoming releases of their distros wouldn't have WebKitGtk-2.4.11 and we had to scramble to upgrade the GUI to Gtk3 and to support the WebKit2 API; it delayed the release of GnuCash 3.0 by 3 months. If your package manager has GnuCash 3.4 then it doesn't have WebKitGtk 2.4.11. You can get the source from downloads.gnome.org and build it yourself or you can get an ISO from an older version of your distro and boot it in live-cd mode to build GnuCash 2.6.21 and prepare your data file for upgrading to GnuCash 3. Regards, John Ralls From jralls at ceridwen.us Thu Oct 14 17:19:06 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (John Ralls) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:19:06 -0700 Subject: [GNC] GnuCash 4.8-2 DMG for macOS 12 Message-ID: The last two beta releases of macOS 12 Monterey changed the behavior of a low-level graphics function used by Gtk3 that resulted in application windows not being able to display their content. I've fixed the problem and made a new GnuCash bundle, GnuCash 4.8-2, SHA256 20af888f1d1293a036b595145ad9e5338b3a92f868b6e4fca021d4cc7d9df36b. You need to use it only if you're using or planning to upgrade to macOS 12 Monterey. Regards, John Ralls From drbboyd at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 17:28:42 2021 From: drbboyd at gmail.com (Billie-Internet) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 17:28:42 -0400 Subject: [GNC] reconcile will not stay reconciled Message-ID: Hi All. Me again! I am running windows 10 and Version: 4.4 Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) Finance::Quote: - I have a bug. I check off transactions to reconcile [image: image.png] I leave by clicking postpone. [image: image.png] I click yes. [image: image.png] I come back to reconcile and the transactions are no longer checked. [image: image.png] Do I have a bug? Is this fixable? Billie 706-383-9057 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 47427 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 20683 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 32832 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've fixed the problem and > made a new GnuCash bundle, GnuCash 4.8-2, SHA256 > 20af888f1d1293a036b595145ad9e5338b3a92f868b6e4fca021d4cc7d9df36b. > > You need to use it only if you're using or planning to upgrade to macOS 12 > Monterey. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-devel mailing list > gnucash-devel at gnucash.org > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel > From goodchris96 at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 21:38:51 2021 From: goodchris96 at gmail.com (Chris Good) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:38:51 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009501d7c165$6a8ad4e0$3fa07ea0$@gmail.com> Hi David T, Derek & Lisa, David, Thanks for pointing out that Lisa is doing "envelope budgeting". I have seen various references to that in this email list over the years but as I don't do any budgeting, I have not paid much attention to it. I can find no reference to that in the GnuCash guide or help manuals, perhaps as it seems to be a common method of budgeting, and as GnuCash is so flexible, it is assumed to be available and already familiar to accountants. Derek, "Forcing all splits of a transaction to have the same reconcile status is WRONG." I agree. That's why my PR 713 https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/713 removes the functionality of automatically doing anything to the reconciliation status of other splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled (or it's subaccounts) when you change the status of a particular split. Re my example in https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648#c0 : I end up with a transaction looking like: Account Reconciled ------- ---------- Expenses:Misc:Person1 n Expenses:Misc:Person2 n Liabilities:CrCard:Person1 c Liabilities:CrCard:Person2 n Because after importing a single transaction which is payable by both Person1 and Person2 like: Account Reconciled ------- ---------- Expenses:Misc n Liabilities:CrCard c I then split the expenses split into Person1 and Person2 so I can track the expenses for each person, and then split the CrCard split into subaccounts for each person so then the balance of the person subaccounts in the CrCard at month end (after subtracting credit card payments) shows how much each person has spent during the month. Because I also split each savings account split into each person i.e. Assets:Current Assets:Bank Acct1:Person1 Assets:Current Assets:Bank Acct1:Person2 When I pay the credit card, I do a transfer from Assets:Current Assets:Bank Acct1:Person1 to Liabilities:CrCard:Person1 And Assets:Current Assets:Bank Acct1:Person2 to Liabilities:CrCard:Person2 This way I know how much of the savings account and the credit card is attributable to each person at any point in time. I end up with 1 of the CrCard splits being Cleared and the other Not Reconciled because I forget to change the split to Cleared when I create it. I will note that I am not a control freak (as far as I know) but my wife, after a bad experience with a previous partner, wanted me to do this so she could track her own share of the savings and credit card accounts. Possibly there are many more people doing envelope budgeting that what I'm doing. The only way I can think to keep both camps happy is to have a reconciliation option say "Change all splits together" so both functionalities are catered for. I'll look at that if it gets a reasonable level of support... or somebody has a better option? Regards, Chris Good -----Original Message----- From: Derek Atkins Sent: Thursday, 14 October 2021 10:53 PM To: D. Cc: Chris Good ; Steve Welch via gnucash-user Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes Chris, Lisa, Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your budget items. I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single transaction). The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some additional logic: If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive processes. I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying toothpaste and gas together, the splits for Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they would both be credits in the same transaction). -derek On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > Chris, > > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using > sub accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has > been discussed on the lists over the years. > > David T. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: Chris Good > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > Hi Lisa, > > This change was done under > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 > for reasons explained in the bug. > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a > transaction to the new selected reconciled state when one of them was > changed, rather than just toggling the reconciliation status of all > the splits for the account being reconciled. > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing > the reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of > other splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. > > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading > until you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a > security issue (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. > > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after > a little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new > release will have been found and probably fixed. > > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for > different types of expenses. > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into > different income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on > the totals of those accounts. > > Regards, > Chris Good > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 > From: Lisa Reynoso > To: David Carlson > Cc: DaveC49 , Gnucash Users > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost > two decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the > only time this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. > > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers > back and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does > if I do. > Or > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. > > Lisa > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson >> > wrote: >> >> ? >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer >> s to > outside accounts. >> >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. > Were > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you > start over, possibly different somehow this time? >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso >>> wrote: >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 >>> years > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. >>> >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade > and a half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? > box; it?s the sub account feature that turned me on to the program, > since I was doing that on paper as my mother did; a computer was so > much faster, since it did most of the math for me. I like math, but it > gets tedious entering numbers in a calculator. But I digress. >>> >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking >>> account, > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, > school bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into > various accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at > the grocery store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When > I want to reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of > those splits and have them all highlight. So if I checked the > toothpaste transaction, the grocery charge would check as well. Of > course the expense account wouldn?t reconcile; I wasn?t referring to > that. >>> >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to > groceries (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check > the credit, the debit would check automatically as well, and the > balance on the reconciliation would not change, because no money > actually entered or left the checking. It was just moved around within > it. Now I have to check one and then scroll down to find the other. I > make several dozen of these transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >>> >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >>> >>> Lisa >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Lisa >>> > >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. >>> > >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default >>> > is not checked. Try selecting that when starting the >>> > reconciliation and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not >>> > completely > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the > account structure. >>> > >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) >>> > and splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous >>> > version of GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. >>> > I have been using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't >>> > recall any > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. >>> > >>> > David Cousens >>> > >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >>> >> >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and >>> >> then I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files >>> >> from the old version (or in my most recent case, I just started >>> >> over, because the computer reformatted without my >>> >> permission--yeah, that was a nightmare!). When this latest >>> >> install happened, something had changed about how the >>> >> reconciliation works. Always before when I had a transfer from >>> >> one subaccount within an account to another, or if it was a split >>> >> transaction, when I would check one box in the reconciliation >>> >> window, all boxes pertaining to that transaction would check. For >>> >> example, suppose I had extra gas money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and >>> >> when I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them >>> >> on both the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for >>> >> the opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I >>> >> usually divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was >>> >> click one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits >>> >> from the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as >>> long > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up > on my bank statement. >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out >>> >> which split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost >>> >> ready to try to find some other software, but I've used this for >>> >> so long I really don't want to switch. >>> >> >>> >> Lisa >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 22:09:03 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:09:03 -0400 Subject: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong In-Reply-To: References: <9a62375078ca56c0bd482aa4eb2e68bb.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: Well, I'm glad you've seen the docs on this! -------- Original Message -------- From: Billie-Internet Sent: Thu Oct 14 16:42:43 EDT 2021 To: "D." Cc: Derek Atkins , Gnucash Users Subject: Re: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong David, These problems started before the save as issue. Before that, all I ever used was the save button on the menu. [image: image.png] I did read the info on file names before asking question so I knew what file I was looking for . I did not know about the wiki on backups. I will read it as follow up. FYI to all, reconcile is still not holding checked transactions. Billie 706-383-9057 On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:31 PM D. wrote: > Derek, Billie, > > I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm going to guess that the various > problems (unsaved changes, reversion to different points, lost progress, > etc.) have to do with the attempts to back up the data file using Save As. > It would be very easy under these circumstances to access the wrong file > and wonder where the last set of changes had gone. > > And to take another point up here, Billie, you didn't ask specifically, > but I imagine you probably should take a look at the wiki page on backups ( > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup) as well as the FAQ entries about > file naming ( > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Basics:_Filenames.2C_Directories.2C_...). > > > David T. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Derek Atkins > *Sent:* Thu Oct 14 09:52:31 EDT 2021 > *To:* Billie-Internet > *Cc:* Gnucash Users > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] My begining balance is wrong > > Hi, > > On Thu, October 14, 2021 9:32 am, Billie-Internet wrote: > >> Good Morning, >> I am running >> Version: 4.4 >> Build ID: 4.4+(2020-12-28) >> on windows 10. > > > [snip] > >> So today, while reconciling, rather than leave, I jumped back and forth >> from the check register that was open in the background to the reconcile >> to >> enter the few transactions that were on my bank statement but had not been >> put in the register. I had put these transactions in yesterday but they >> were gone today. >> > > For what it's worth, this is how I operate. I have the account register > open next to the reconcile window and just go back and forth adding new > transactions instead of exiting the reconcile every time. Considering > sometimes I'm adding in 50 transactions, that would be a LOT of exiting > sometimes! > > After I clicked finish and then clicked the save button on the menu bar, I >> did a file> save as and saved what I hope is a complete backup to my >> downloads file. I was trying to achieve a stop/start point at the >> completion of the reconcile. I did this with QB everymonth and I am not >> sure why I quit doing it with gnucash when I started using it at the >> beginning of this year. >> Now, however, since I did the save as, it appears gnu is saving every time >> to downloads instead of where I had it set to auto save to which is my >> company files. >> > > Yes. By doing "Save As" you are telling GnuCash "this file is now located > in this new location with this new name", and it will use that as the > primary name going forward. To save as a backup you need to copy the file > in the background, or, just after you File -> Save As, you should File -> > Open the original file again. > > Note: If you have been making additional changes you should probably File > -> Save As back to the original location. > > [image: image.png] >> So here are my questions. >> Does anyone have any idea why my system reverterted back to a month >> previous? >> > > Perhaps you opened a Backup file? Honestly, don't know. > > Why would my reconcile not be saving the reconcile when I ask to postpone? >> > > Don't know. > > How do I get my files backing up to my "company files" file where I >> normally save them? >> > > See above. > > Could having a version of quickbooks open at the same time as gnucash have >> caused these issues? I had quickbooks open to get a report from last year >> for the accountant. >> > > Extremely unlikely. I can't see how there would be any interaction between > them. > > One last question, will I ever become competant with this program? I used >> QB for 25 years and knew how to work with it but the thought of paying >> $200 >> a year for a program you should be able to buy, just killed me so I went >> to >> gnucash. I have been using gnucash since Jan 2021 and I am amazed that I >> am still struggling with split transactions not balancing!! I am just >> lamenting. I know there is no answer to this but time! >> > > Yes, you will become proficient, eventually. There are certain "tricks" > that you eventually learn as you use the program. For example, when > entering a split transaction you should never hit the [Enter] key until > you are absolutely done, and you should be sure you have an anchor split > entered first, so the transaction doesn't disappear from the current view. > > Good Luck! > > Thanks for any and all help. >> >> >> Billie >> 706-383-9057 >> > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > -derek > > From goodchris96 at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 23:45:01 2021 From: goodchris96 at gmail.com (Chris Good) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:45:01 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00cb01d7c177$0aabcfe0$20036fa0$@gmail.com> Hi David (Carlson), Not sure what you mean by ?automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is initiated?? Perhaps you mean the marking of transactions as cleared when they are imported? Regards, Chris Good From: David Carlson Sent: Friday, 15 October 2021 3:00 AM To: Derek Atkins Cc: D. ; Steve Welch via gnucash-user ; Chris Good Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes I wonder if there is some confusion here between manually marking (or un-marking) account and sub-account transactions as reconciled (or not) vs the automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is initiated. The purpose of the pause before committing the reconciliation is to allow the user to uncheck the items that have not cleared to bring the cleared balance to match the outside bank statement or the user's desired result. I hope that GnuCash still pre-marks all un-reconciled account transactions (and sub-account transactions if they exist and the appropriate box is checked) dated before the reconciliation date when the reconciliation is started, as manually marking possibly hundreds of transactions at the beginning of the process would definitely be a pain. I do agree that each sub-account transaction line should be separately manually changeable. Because I am still running release 3.8 I cannot observe for myself how it works now, but release 3.8 does at least pre-mark all un-reconciled account transactions before the reconciliation date. I do not have sub-accounts in my data. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:53 AM Derek Atkins > wrote: Chris, Lisa, Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your budget items. I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single transaction). The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some additional logic: If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive processes. I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying toothpaste and gas together, the splits for Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they would both be credits in the same transaction). -derek On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > Chris, > > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using sub > accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been > discussed on the lists over the years. > > David T. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: Chris Good > > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > Hi Lisa, > > This change was done under https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 > for reasons explained in the bug. > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction to > the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather > than > just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account > being reconciled. > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing the > reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other > splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. > > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading > until > you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security > issue > (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. > > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a > little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release > will > have been found and probably fixed. > > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for > different types of expenses. > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into > different > income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of > those accounts. > > Regards, > Chris Good > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 > From: Lisa Reynoso > > To: David Carlson > > Cc: DaveC49 >, Gnucash Users > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two > decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only time > this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. > > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers > back > and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. > Or > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. > > Lisa > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson > > wrote: >> >> ? >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s >> to > outside accounts. >> >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. > Were > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you > start > over, possibly different somehow this time? >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso > >>> wrote: >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 >>> years > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. >>> >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing > that > on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did > most > of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in a > calculator. But I digress. >>> >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, > school > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. >>> >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries > (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the > debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the > reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or left > the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one > and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these > transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >>> >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >>> >>> Lisa >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Lisa >>> > >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. >>> > >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is >>> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation >>> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the > account > structure. >>> > >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and >>> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of >>> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been >>> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. >>> > >>> > David Cousens >>> > >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >>> >> >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then >>> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the >>> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, >>> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that >>> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something >>> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when >>> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, >>> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in >>> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >>> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas >>> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when >>> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both >>> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the >>> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually >>> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click >>> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from >>> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as >>> long > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on > my > bank statement. >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which >>> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready >>> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long >>> >> I really don't want to switch. >>> >> >>> >> Lisa >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- David Carlson From mrs.reynoso at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 00:10:48 2021 From: mrs.reynoso at gmail.com (Lisa Reynoso) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 21:10:48 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: <00cb01d7c177$0aabcfe0$20036fa0$@gmail.com> References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> <00cb01d7c177$0aabcfe0$20036fa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Derek gets what I'm doing. I do use GNU Cash sub accounts as an envelope budgeting system (I really latched onto it after we lost $500 worth of money in envelopes to a thief--back when $500 was my monthly expenses budget!!!). And yes, that "bug" is exactly what I want back. When I'm reconciling, transactions that don't show up on my bank statement need to be marked first to avoid confusion, and marking transfers within the checking from one sub account to another without having to mark them both individually would be so nice! Also, when I make a purchase at a store that uses money from more than one sub account (say, groceries and clothing at a department store), this is how it used to mark them (I've simplified the asset account for, well, simplicity): Expense: Clothing: n Expense: Groceries: n Asset: Checking: Clothing: c Asset: Checking: Groceries: c Checking either the clothing amount or the grocery amount would check both of them. And it SHOULD be that way, a $50 charge to Fred Meyer, for example, cannot be half reconciled; if $25 is clothes and $25 is groceries, the whole thing must be reconciled together as one transaction. That was the right way. It was not a bug. It never marked the expense account as cleared, that I ever noticed. Only the asset account that I was reconciling. Now it's tedious when I deposit my husband's check, and divide it into a dozen sub accounts, I can't just check one of them and have it mark them all; I have to check each of those dozen or so sub-transactions individually. Or for transferring from one sub account to another within the same parent account (say I had extra gas money at the end of the month, but the A/C ran the utilities up higher than usual): Asset: Checking: Gas: (debit) c Asset: Checking: Utilities: (credit) c Although one is a credit and one a debit, both should mark when one is checked, because both are part of the same account, and will not show up on a bank statement. So it wasn't a bug, and I can't believe anyone would think it was. It has made reconciling harder for those who use GNU cash for virtual envelope budgeting and also reconcile their account with their bank statement. So if I can go back to 3.8, I can get this functionality back? I've never had any trouble with any of the versions for anything that I do (I'm sure there are features that I don't use that had bugs). I agreed with David that a feature to allow splits to be reconciled together as long as they are within the same parent account would be a very nice option! Lisa On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 8:47 PM Chris Good wrote: > Hi David (Carlson), > > > > Not sure what you mean by ?automatic marking that happens when the > reconciliation process is initiated?? > > Perhaps you mean the marking of transactions as cleared when they are > imported? > > > > Regards, > > Chris Good > > > > From: David Carlson > Sent: Friday, 15 October 2021 3:00 AM > To: Derek Atkins > Cc: D. ; Steve Welch via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org>; Chris Good > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > > > I wonder if there is some confusion here between manually marking (or > un-marking) account and sub-account transactions as reconciled (or not) vs > the automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is > initiated. The purpose of the pause before committing the reconciliation > is to allow the user to uncheck the items that have not cleared to bring > the cleared balance to match the outside bank statement or the user's > desired result. I hope that GnuCash still pre-marks all un-reconciled > account transactions (and sub-account transactions if they exist and the > appropriate box is checked) dated before the reconciliation date when the > reconciliation is started, as manually marking possibly hundreds of > transactions at the beginning of the process would definitely be a pain. I > do agree that each sub-account transaction line should be separately > manually changeable. > > > > Because I am still running release 3.8 I cannot observe for myself how it > works now, but release 3.8 does at least pre-mark all un-reconciled account > transactions before the reconciliation date. I do not have sub-accounts in > my data. > > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:53 AM Derek Atkins derek at ihtfp.com> > wrote: > > Chris, Lisa, > > Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for > DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) > -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your > budget items. > > I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate > my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will > introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original > change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. > > In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this > is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two > expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed > at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for > different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, > except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- > but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single > transaction). > > The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use > case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some > additional logic: > > If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account > (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all > of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one > envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. > > However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where > you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single > transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same > transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my > desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive > processes. > > I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the > same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying > toothpaste and gas together, the splits for > Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next > to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they > would both be credits in the same transaction). > > -derek > > On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > > Chris, > > > > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting > > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using > sub > > accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been > > discussed on the lists over the years. > > > > David T. > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Chris Good > > > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 > > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > > > Hi Lisa, > > > > This change was done under > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 > > for reasons explained in the bug. > > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction > to > > the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather > > than > > just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account > > being reconciled. > > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing > the > > reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other > > splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. > > > > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading > > until > > you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security > > issue > > (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. > > > > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a > > little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release > > will > > have been found and probably fixed. > > > > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for > > different types of expenses. > > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into > > different > > income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of > > those accounts. > > > > Regards, > > Chris Good > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 > > From: Lisa Reynoso > > > > To: David Carlson david.carlson.417 at gmail.com> > > > Cc: DaveC49 > >, Gnucash Users > > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com 916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two > > decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only > time > > this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. > > > > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers > > back > > and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. > > Or > > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still > > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. > > > > Lisa > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson > > > wrote: > >> > >> ? > >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s > >> to > > outside accounts. > >> > >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent > > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. > > Were > > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you > > start > > over, possibly different somehow this time? > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso > > >>> wrote: > >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 > >>> years > > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. > >>> > >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a > > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s > the > > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing > > that > > on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did > > most > > of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in > a > > calculator. But I digress. > >>> > >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, > > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, > > school > > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various > > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the > grocery > > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to > > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits > and > > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the > > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account > wouldn?t > > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. > >>> > >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking > > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to > groceries > > (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the > > debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the > > reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or > left > > the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one > > and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these > > transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. > >>> > >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. > >>> > >>> Lisa > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com davidcousens49 at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > ?Lisa > >>> > > >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and > >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. > >>> > > >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry > >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is > >>> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation > >>> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. > >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the > >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent > >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely > > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the > > account > > structure. > >>> > > >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as > >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. > >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have > >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has > >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will > >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and > >>> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of > >>> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been > >>> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any > > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. > >>> > > >>> > David Cousens > >>> > > >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: > >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it > >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. > >>> >> > >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then > >>> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the > >>> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, > >>> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that > >>> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something > >>> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when > >>> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, > >>> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in > >>> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that > >>> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas > >>> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. > >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when > >>> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both > >>> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the > >>> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually > >>> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click > >>> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from > >>> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. > >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does > >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as > >>> long > > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of > > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on > > my > > bank statement. > >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which > >>> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready > >>> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long > >>> >> I really don't want to switch. > >>> >> > >>> >> Lisa > >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > -- > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 > derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com > > Computer and Internet Security Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > -- > > David Carlson > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm or giving up. Personal blog | Facebook Page From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 01:57:35 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 00:57:35 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: <00cb01d7c177$0aabcfe0$20036fa0$@gmail.com> References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> <00cb01d7c177$0aabcfe0$20036fa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: No, Chris. In release 3.8 and earlier when the user first clicks on the Reconcile icon and the pop-up appears to set the date, balance, etc., then clicks OK, the Reconcile window opens with every transaction that is dated before the reconciliation date and marked "c" in the Reconcile box is automatically checked to be reconciled. Thus the user normally will only need to check or uncheck any transactions that do not match the bank statement. If the user was importing transactions so they were marked "c" when they were imported or marking existing transactions "c" if they think they saw them in their smartphone banking app, those transactions are already applied to the target balance calculation and do not need to be manually checked.for reconciliation. That is how it worked in release 3.8 and earlier. There is another thread that apparently indicates that in the current release if some transactions were manually marked as reconciled and the user chooses Postpone, when he returns he will find his previous markings lost. In release 3.8 those manually marked transactions will still be marked when returning to the reconciliation. It appears that the code was not reverted exactly to the way it was in release 3.8. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:45 PM Chris Good wrote: > Hi David (Carlson), > > > > Not sure what you mean by ?automatic marking that happens when the > reconciliation process is initiated?? > > Perhaps you mean the marking of transactions as cleared when they are > imported? > > > > Regards, > > Chris Good > > > > *From:* David Carlson > *Sent:* Friday, 15 October 2021 3:00 AM > *To:* Derek Atkins > *Cc:* D. ; Steve Welch via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org>; Chris Good > *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > > > I wonder if there is some confusion here between manually marking (or > un-marking) account and sub-account transactions as reconciled (or not) vs > the automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is > initiated. The purpose of the pause before committing the reconciliation > is to allow the user to uncheck the items that have not cleared to bring > the cleared balance to match the outside bank statement or the user's > desired result. I hope that GnuCash still pre-marks all un-reconciled > account transactions (and sub-account transactions if they exist and the > appropriate box is checked) dated before the reconciliation date when the > reconciliation is started, as manually marking possibly hundreds of > transactions at the beginning of the process would definitely be a pain. I > do agree that each sub-account transaction line should be separately > manually changeable. > > > > Because I am still running release 3.8 I cannot observe for myself how it > works now, but release 3.8 does at least pre-mark all un-reconciled account > transactions before the reconciliation date. I do not have sub-accounts in > my data. > > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:53 AM Derek Atkins wrote: > > Chris, Lisa, > > Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for > DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) > -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your > budget items. > > I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate > my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will > introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original > change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. > > In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this > is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two > expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed > at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for > different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, > except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- > but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single > transaction). > > The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use > case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some > additional logic: > > If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account > (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all > of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one > envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. > > However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where > you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single > transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same > transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my > desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive > processes. > > I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the > same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying > toothpaste and gas together, the splits for > Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next > to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they > would both be credits in the same transaction). > > -derek > > On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > > Chris, > > > > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting > > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using > sub > > accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been > > discussed on the lists over the years. > > > > David T. > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > From: Chris Good > > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 > > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > > > Hi Lisa, > > > > This change was done under > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 > > for reasons explained in the bug. > > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction > to > > the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather > > than > > just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account > > being reconciled. > > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing > the > > reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other > > splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. > > > > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading > > until > > you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security > > issue > > (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. > > > > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a > > little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release > > will > > have been found and probably fixed. > > > > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for > > different types of expenses. > > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into > > different > > income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of > > those accounts. > > > > Regards, > > Chris Good > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 > > From: Lisa Reynoso > > To: David Carlson > > Cc: DaveC49 , Gnucash Users > > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two > > decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only > time > > this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. > > > > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers > > back > > and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. > > Or > > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still > > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. > > > > Lisa > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson > > > wrote: > >> > >> ? > >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s > >> to > > outside accounts. > >> > >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent > > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. > > Were > > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you > > start > > over, possibly different somehow this time? > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso > >>> wrote: > >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 > >>> years > > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. > >>> > >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a > > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s > the > > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing > > that > > on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did > > most > > of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in > a > > calculator. But I digress. > >>> > >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, > > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, > > school > > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various > > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the > grocery > > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to > > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits > and > > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the > > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account > wouldn?t > > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. > >>> > >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking > > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to > groceries > > (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the > > debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the > > reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or > left > > the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one > > and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these > > transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. > >>> > >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. > >>> > >>> Lisa > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > >>> > > >>> > ?Lisa > >>> > > >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and > >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. > >>> > > >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry > >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is > >>> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation > >>> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. > >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the > >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent > >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely > > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the > > account > > structure. > >>> > > >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as > >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. > >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have > >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has > >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will > >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and > >>> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of > >>> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been > >>> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any > > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. > >>> > > >>> > David Cousens > >>> > > >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: > >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it > >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. > >>> >> > >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then > >>> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the > >>> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, > >>> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that > >>> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something > >>> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when > >>> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, > >>> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in > >>> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that > >>> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas > >>> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. > >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when > >>> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both > >>> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the > >>> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually > >>> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click > >>> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from > >>> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. > >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does > >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as > >>> long > > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of > > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on > > my > > bank statement. > >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which > >>> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready > >>> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long > >>> >> I really don't want to switch. > >>> >> > >>> >> Lisa > >>> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > -- > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 > derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com > Computer and Internet Security Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > -- > > David Carlson > -- David Carlson From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 02:26:46 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 01:26:46 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> <00cb01d7c177$0aabcfe0$20036fa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: For completeness I should have mentioned that for accounts which have sub-accounts like those that envelope budgeters will probably have, the user should view the account in a 'with sub-accounts view' to see everything that is happening in the 'with sub-acconts' reconciliation window. On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:57 AM David Carlson wrote: > No, Chris. In release 3.8 and earlier when the user first clicks on the > Reconcile icon and the pop-up appears to set the date, balance, etc., then > clicks OK, the Reconcile window opens with every transaction that is dated > before the reconciliation date and marked "c" in the Reconcile box is > automatically checked to be reconciled. Thus the user normally will only > need to check or uncheck any transactions that do not match the bank > statement. If the user was importing transactions so they were marked "c" > when they were imported or marking existing transactions "c" if they think > they saw them in their smartphone banking app, those transactions are > already applied to the target balance calculation and do not need to be > manually checked.for reconciliation. That is how it worked in release 3.8 > and earlier. > > There is another thread that apparently indicates that in the current > release if some transactions were manually marked as reconciled and the > user chooses Postpone, when he returns he will find his previous markings > lost. In release 3.8 those manually marked transactions will still be > marked when returning to the reconciliation. It appears that the code was > not reverted exactly to the way it was in release 3.8. > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:45 PM Chris Good wrote: > >> Hi David (Carlson), >> >> >> >> Not sure what you mean by ?automatic marking that happens when the >> reconciliation process is initiated?? >> >> Perhaps you mean the marking of transactions as cleared when they are >> imported? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Chris Good >> >> >> >> *From:* David Carlson >> *Sent:* Friday, 15 October 2021 3:00 AM >> *To:* Derek Atkins >> *Cc:* D. ; Steve Welch via gnucash-user < >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org>; Chris Good >> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes >> >> >> >> I wonder if there is some confusion here between manually marking (or >> un-marking) account and sub-account transactions as reconciled (or not) vs >> the automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is >> initiated. The purpose of the pause before committing the reconciliation >> is to allow the user to uncheck the items that have not cleared to bring >> the cleared balance to match the outside bank statement or the user's >> desired result. I hope that GnuCash still pre-marks all un-reconciled >> account transactions (and sub-account transactions if they exist and the >> appropriate box is checked) dated before the reconciliation date when the >> reconciliation is started, as manually marking possibly hundreds of >> transactions at the beginning of the process would definitely be a pain. I >> do agree that each sub-account transaction line should be separately >> manually changeable. >> >> >> >> Because I am still running release 3.8 I cannot observe for myself how it >> works now, but release 3.8 does at least pre-mark all un-reconciled account >> transactions before the reconciliation date. I do not have sub-accounts in >> my data. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:53 AM Derek Atkins wrote: >> >> Chris, Lisa, >> >> Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for >> DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) >> -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your >> budget items. >> >> I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate >> my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will >> introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original >> change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. >> >> In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this >> is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two >> expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed >> at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for >> different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, >> except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- >> but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single >> transaction). >> >> The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use >> case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some >> additional logic: >> >> If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account >> (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all >> of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one >> envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. >> >> However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where >> you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single >> transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same >> transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my >> desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive >> processes. >> >> I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the >> same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying >> toothpaste and gas together, the splits for >> Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next >> to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they >> would both be credits in the same transaction). >> >> -derek >> >> On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: >> > Chris, >> > >> > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting >> > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using >> sub >> > accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been >> > discussed on the lists over the years. >> > >> > David T. >> > >> > >> > -------- Original Message -------- >> > From: Chris Good >> > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 >> > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes >> > >> > Hi Lisa, >> > >> > This change was done under >> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 >> > for reasons explained in the bug. >> > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction >> to >> > the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather >> > than >> > just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the >> account >> > being reconciled. >> > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing >> the >> > reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other >> > splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. >> > >> > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading >> > until >> > you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security >> > issue >> > (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. >> > >> > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a >> > little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release >> > will >> > have been found and probably fixed. >> > >> > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for >> > different types of expenses. >> > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into >> > different >> > income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals >> of >> > those accounts. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Chris Good >> > >> > Message: 6 >> > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 >> > From: Lisa Reynoso >> > To: David Carlson >> > Cc: DaveC49 , Gnucash Users >> > >> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes >> > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> > >> > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two >> > decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only >> time >> > this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. >> > >> > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers >> > back >> > and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. >> > Or >> > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still >> > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. >> > >> > Lisa >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson < >> david.carlson.417 at gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> ? >> >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s >> >> to >> > outside accounts. >> >> >> >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent >> > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. >> > Were >> > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you >> > start >> > over, possibly different somehow this time? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso >> >>> wrote: >> >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 >> >>> years >> > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no >> idea. >> >>> >> >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the >> > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and >> a >> > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s >> the >> > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing >> > that >> > on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did >> > most >> > of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers >> in a >> > calculator. But I digress. >> >>> >> >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, >> > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, >> > school >> > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various >> > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the >> grocery >> > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to >> > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits >> and >> > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the >> > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account >> wouldn?t >> > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. >> >>> >> >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking >> > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to >> groceries >> > (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, >> the >> > debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the >> > reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or >> left >> > the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check >> one >> > and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these >> > transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >> >>> >> >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I >> > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have >> > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >> >>> >> >>> Lisa >> >>> >> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> >> >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > ?Lisa >> >>> > >> >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and >> >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. >> >>> > >> >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry >> >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is >> >>> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation >> >>> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. >> >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the >> >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >> >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely >> > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the >> > account >> > structure. >> >>> > >> >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as >> >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. >> >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have >> >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has >> >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will >> >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and >> >>> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of >> >>> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been >> >>> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any >> > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. >> >>> > >> >>> > David Cousens >> >>> > >> >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >> >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it >> >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then >> >>> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the >> >>> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, >> >>> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that >> >>> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something >> >>> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when >> >>> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, >> >>> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in >> >>> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >> >>> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas >> >>> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. >> >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when >> >>> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both >> >>> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the >> >>> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually >> >>> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click >> >>> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from >> >>> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. >> >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does >> >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as >> >>> long >> > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of >> > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on >> > my >> > bank statement. >> >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which >> >>> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready >> >>> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long >> >>> >> I really don't want to switch. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Lisa >> >>> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > gnucash-user mailing list >> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> > ----- >> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > gnucash-user mailing list >> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> > ----- >> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > >> >> >> -- >> Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 >> derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com >> Computer and Internet Security Consultant >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> David Carlson >> > > > -- > David Carlson > -- David Carlson From goodchris96 at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 03:57:43 2021 From: goodchris96 at gmail.com (Chris Good) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:57:43 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes In-Reply-To: References: <01fc01d7c0ca$c84c4f50$58e4edf0$@gmail.com> <55330fad-90d0-4ad4-8361-4858bd4b5d0e@yahoo.com> <00cb01d7c177$0aabcfe0$20036fa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <011b01d7c19a$57e50470$07af0d50$@gmail.com> Hi David, I don?t believe the way the transactions are loaded into the reconcile screen has changed. I remember there was a problem with the calculated reconciled balance some time ago which was something to do with the reconciled date, but I don?t think that has anything to do with Lisa?s problem. Re the user who is having problems with postponing a reconciliation. It has yet to be proven this isn?t a user error. I would think that if there was a problem like that, many people would have reported it by now. The code that was reverted for 3.11 was to do with propagating the reconcile status to other splits. It is very unlikely this has anything to do with postponing a reconciliation. Regards, Chris Good From: David Carlson Sent: Friday, 15 October 2021 5:27 PM To: Chris Good Cc: Derek Atkins ; D. ; Steve Welch via gnucash-user Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes For completeness I should have mentioned that for accounts which have sub-accounts like those that envelope budgeters will probably have, the user should view the account in a 'with sub-accounts view' to see everything that is happening in the 'with sub-acconts' reconciliation window. On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:57 AM David Carlson > wrote: No, Chris. In release 3.8 and earlier when the user first clicks on the Reconcile icon and the pop-up appears to set the date, balance, etc., then clicks OK, the Reconcile window opens with every transaction that is dated before the reconciliation date and marked "c" in the Reconcile box is automatically checked to be reconciled. Thus the user normally will only need to check or uncheck any transactions that do not match the bank statement. If the user was importing transactions so they were marked "c" when they were imported or marking existing transactions "c" if they think they saw them in their smartphone banking app, those transactions are already applied to the target balance calculation and do not need to be manually checked.for reconciliation. That is how it worked in release 3.8 and earlier. There is another thread that apparently indicates that in the current release if some transactions were manually marked as reconciled and the user chooses Postpone, when he returns he will find his previous markings lost. In release 3.8 those manually marked transactions will still be marked when returning to the reconciliation. It appears that the code was not reverted exactly to the way it was in release 3.8. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:45 PM Chris Good > wrote: Hi David (Carlson), Not sure what you mean by ?automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is initiated?? Perhaps you mean the marking of transactions as cleared when they are imported? Regards, Chris Good From: David Carlson > Sent: Friday, 15 October 2021 3:00 AM To: Derek Atkins > Cc: D. >; Steve Welch via gnucash-user >; Chris Good > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes I wonder if there is some confusion here between manually marking (or un-marking) account and sub-account transactions as reconciled (or not) vs the automatic marking that happens when the reconciliation process is initiated. The purpose of the pause before committing the reconciliation is to allow the user to uncheck the items that have not cleared to bring the cleared balance to match the outside bank statement or the user's desired result. I hope that GnuCash still pre-marks all un-reconciled account transactions (and sub-account transactions if they exist and the appropriate box is checked) dated before the reconciliation date when the reconciliation is started, as manually marking possibly hundreds of transactions at the beginning of the process would definitely be a pain. I do agree that each sub-account transaction line should be separately manually changeable. Because I am still running release 3.8 I cannot observe for myself how it works now, but release 3.8 does at least pre-mark all un-reconciled account transactions before the reconciliation date. I do not have sub-accounts in my data. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:53 AM Derek Atkins > wrote: Chris, Lisa, Yes, I agree with David here. It is absolutely quite common (and for DECADES has been the suggested way to do "envelope budgeting" in GnuCash) -- to have subaccounts of your Bank (or other Asset) account for your budget items. I realize that I did instigate your change in PR-713, however to reiterate my original message, "I do not agree with this change AND think it will introduce another bug" (emphasis added here). I still think the original change you made in PR-670 was wrong. But regardless, here we are now. In your particular case in bug #797648 I (still) don't understand why this is a single transaction. If you are using two payment methods to two expense accounts, that to me is two transactions. They could be processed at different times, post at different times, and they are absolutely for different items. I don't even know how you can place such an order (well, except, I guess, if you're at a restaurant and order separate checks -- but even in that case I don't see why you need to enter it as a single transaction). The use-case of envelope budgeting is definitely more common than your use case, so we should definitely support that. Perhaps I can propose some additional logic: If *ALL* the splits in a transaction are within the Reconciliation account (sub)tree, then when you click on one, it should be as if you click on all of them. That would help Lisa's use-case of moving money from one envelope into another, or from the main account into an envelope. However, this (new?) logic will not help in the case of a purchase where you're buying things from different envelope budgets in a single transaction (e.g. you're buying toothpaste and gas in the same transaction). I'm not sure how to get this and Chris' desire (and my desire) together, because I feel they are all mutually exclusive processes. I will just point out that in the reconcile window, all the splits of the same transaction will be next to each other, so if you're buying toothpaste and gas together, the splits for Assets:Bank:Checking:Toothpaste and Assets:Bank:Checking:Gas will be next to each other and should be easy enough to check manually (because they would both be credits in the same transaction). -derek On Thu, October 14, 2021 7:26 am, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > Chris, > > I believe she's implementing envelope budgeting > (https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-envelope-budgeting-1293682) using sub > accounts. A fair number of users of Gnucash do this, which has been > discussed on the lists over the years. > > David T. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: Chris Good > > Sent: Thu Oct 14 03:11:57 EDT 2021 > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > > Hi Lisa, > > This change was done under https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797648 > for reasons explained in the bug. > The first fix went live in 3.9 which forced all splits in a transaction to > the new selected reconciled state when one of them was changed, rather > than > just toggling the reconciliation status of all the splits for the account > being reconciled. > This was deemed incorrect, so a change was made in 3.11 where changing the > reconciliation status of a split in a transaction had no effect of other > splits in the transaction for the account being reconciled. > > I wouldn't recommend running an old version like 3.10. Never upgrading > until > you have to greatly increases your risk of falling foul of a security > issue > (or just a bug) that may have already been fixed. > > I don't upgrade immediately a new version is available, but I do after a > little while so it is likely that any major problems with a new release > will > have been found and probably fixed. > > It seems unusual to create different subaccounts in a bank account for > different types of expenses. > I believe it is more usual to split your income and expenses into > different > income and expense accounts, and do your budgeting based on the totals of > those accounts. > > Regards, > Chris Good > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 20:31:44 -0700 > From: Lisa Reynoso > > To: David Carlson > > Cc: DaveC49 >, Gnucash Users > > > Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciliation Changes > Message-ID: <916D45E4-A319-4AB9-BFB9-FD7A6557F4C8 at gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Well, my computer reformatted, so I had to start over. But in almost two > decades, I started over several times, and this last time is the only time > this problem occurred. I can?t imagine that had anything to do with it. > > I?m going to look at an old hard drive I saved from a couple computers > back > and see if I have an old installation file and see what it does if I do. > Or > what happens if I import old files from years back (if they are still > there). I?ll let you know how it goes. > > Lisa > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:35 PM, David Carlson > > wrote: >> >> ? >> Sub accounts under the same bank account are not the same as transfer s >> to > outside accounts. >> >> If I recall correctly, they must be of the same type as the parent > account. I think that should still work as before in reconciliations. > Were > you able to import your table of accounts from an old file or did you > start > over, possibly different somehow this time? >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 7:18 PM Lisa Reynoso > >>> wrote: >>> Okay, first, I don?t know what version I had before. It was about 2 >>> years > ago that I downloaded it, and my hard drive was wiped, so I have no idea. >>> >>> Second, you completely misunderstood my problem. I understand the > reconciliation process intricately; I?ve been using it for a decade and a > half. I understand about clicking the ?include sub accounts? box; it?s the > sub account feature that turned me on to the program, since I was doing > that > on paper as my mother did; a computer was so much faster, since it did > most > of the math for me. I like math, but it gets tedious entering numbers in a > calculator. But I digress. >>> >>> There are two basic examples to illustrate. I have a checking account, > divided into various sub accounts, such as gas, groceries, clothing, > school > bill, etc. When I deposit a paycheck, I split the deposit into various > accounts. Likewise when i purchase both food and toothpaste at the grocery > store; toothpaste doesn?t come from the food budget. When I want to > reconcile the checking, I used to be able to check one of those splits and > have them all highlight. So if I checked the toothpaste transaction, the > grocery charge would check as well. Of course the expense account wouldn?t > reconcile; I wasn?t referring to that. >>> >>> But the other example is when I transfer money within the checking > account from one sub account to another. Like my original gas to groceries > (or vice versa) analogy. In that case, when I would check the credit, the > debit would check automatically as well, and the balance on the > reconciliation would not change, because no money actually entered or left > the checking. It was just moved around within it. Now I have to check one > and then scroll down to find the other. I make several dozen of these > transactions every month, and it is tedious to have to check them both. >>> >>> I downloaded version 4.4 when this problem first made itself felt. I > downloaded 3.11 today, and it still doesn?t do what it used to. I have > Windows 10; I don?t know if an earlier version will work or not. >>> >>> Lisa >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Oct 12, 2021, at 2:09 PM, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: >>> > >>> > ?Lisa >>> > >>> > It may help if you can tell us what the previous version was and >>> > which version you have now upgraded to. >>> > >>> > On the reconciliation setup dialog under the Ending Balance entry >>> > there is a checkbox "Include subaccounts" which AFAIK by default is >>> > not checked. Try selecting that when starting the reconciliation >>> > and see if that restores some of the functionality you are used to. >>> > As far as I can tell once you have selected that option in the >>> > dialog for a given account it remains in force for subsequent >>> > reconciliations until you unselect it again but I am not completely > sure how sticky that option is and whether it does set a flag in the > account > structure. >>> > >>> > Any reconciliation process only acts on a single account and as >>> > such only marks the splits of a transaction into that that account. >>> > You do not reconcile a whole transaction unless you have >>> > individually reconciled all accounts that the transaction has >>> > splits to. Splits to an account which has not been reconciled will >>> > generally be marked with a "n" ( and maybe a "c" in some cases) and >>> > splits to a reconciled account with a "y". If a previous version of >>> > GNuCash did do this then that behaviour was incorrect. I have been >>> > using GnuCash for a similar period of time and I can't recall any > version in which a whole transaction not just the split was reconciled. >>> > >>> > David Cousens >>> > >>> >> On Tue, 2021-10-12 at 12:29 -0700, Lisa Reynoso wrote: >>> >> I've used GNU cash for years. Like, over 15 years. I used it >>> >> before I was married, so it's definitely been more than 15 years. >>> >> >>> >> Anyway, I never upgrade except when I get a new computer, and then >>> >> I install whatever is the latest, and transfer the files from the >>> >> old version (or in my most recent case, I just started over, >>> >> because the computer reformatted without my permission--yeah, that >>> >> was a nightmare!). When this latest install happened, something >>> >> had changed about how the reconciliation works. Always before when >>> >> I had a transfer from one subaccount within an account to another, >>> >> or if it was a split transaction, when I would check one box in >>> >> the reconciliation window, all boxes pertaining to that >>> >> transaction would check. For example, suppose I had extra gas >>> >> money at the end of the month, but had overspent my grocery fund. >>> >> I could transfer from the gas to the grocery subaccounts, and when >>> >> I reconciled, I could check one box and it would mark them on both >>> >> the credit and debit sides, without me having to hunt for the >>> >> opposite transaction. Likewise, when I deposit a check, I usually >>> >> divide it among various accounts, and all I had to do was click >>> >> one of the subaccount deposits, and all the other deposits from >>> >> the same check would be marked as well. Now, that's not the case. >>> >> And I can't find an old enough version for Windows 10 that does >>> >> that anymore. Anyone have any ideas? It now takes almost twice as >>> long > for me to reconcile, since I have a lot of subaccounts and do a lot of > internal transferring within my checking account that doesn't show up on > my > bank statement. >>> >> Having to look for the parallel transactions or figuring out which >>> >> split transactions go together takes more time. I'm almost ready >>> >> to try to find some other software, but I've used this for so long >>> >> I really don't want to switch. >>> >> >>> >> Lisa >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- David Carlson -- David Carlson -- David Carlson From maf at chilwell.net Fri Oct 15 04:31:57 2021 From: maf at chilwell.net (Maf. King) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:31:57 +0100 Subject: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one In-Reply-To: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> References: <002301d7c106$713e1ea0$53ba5be0$@usa.net> Message-ID: <1763186.QZUTf85G27@janus> On Thursday, 14 October 2021 15:19:03 BST Kalpesh Patel wrote: > > 1 - My habits when it comes to payments for example credit card, mortgage, > other bills, etc. is to scheduled it out in advance from the appropriate > institutions that hold my bank accounts, such as checking, savings, etc. at > a future date but within due date. In the sub-account register for the bank > account, I like to some-how want to be able to differentiate that I have > already scheduled up a transaction versus other transaction that is needed > to be scheduled out. Hi, If I careate a transaction in GC (eg to pay a credit card bill) before I have it set up with my bank, I use the letters "NSUY" in the transaction notes/ memo space (short for Not Set Up Yet) to remind me to create with the bank. then those letters can be edited out at some point when I have told the bank to pay. I guess you could use the Num field in the same way. 0.02 Maf. From stepbystepfarm at comcast.net Fri Oct 15 12:15:49 2021 From: stepbystepfarm at comcast.net (Michael or Penny Novack) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:15:49 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perhaps historical perspective might help, especially with businesses, because might want to treat the same way as when invoices typically were like this, except conditional on when paid. I have no idea how accrual treats this (would have treated this) when in the old days a vendor might send an invoice like this: Immediate, 2% discount, 30 days net, else 1% per month. I am old enough to remember those days. Assuming the accrual system treated the "30 days net" as normal, what was done if paid immediately? That closely resembles the situation of credit card rebates on purchases. As to the argument wanting to? distribute to reduce all expenses? paid during that billing period, is that also being done in reverse with interest charges (if any -- often a business credit card is not intended as a source of credit and balance paid each month -- and SOME people ca manage that with their personal credit cards too) Michael D Novack From rvklassen at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 12:46:10 2021 From: rvklassen at gmail.com (R. Victor Klassen) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:46:10 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FA33EEC-BAC1-489A-A7FB-A740DDABB682@gmail.com> The OLD day? We still have a couple of vendors like that. Happily for us accrual accounting is their problem. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > ?Perhaps historical perspective might help, especially with businesses, because might want to treat the same way as when invoices typically were like this, except conditional on when paid. > > I have no idea how accrual treats this (would have treated this) when in the old days a vendor might send an invoice like this: > > Immediate, 2% discount, 30 days net, else 1% per month. > > I am old enough to remember those days. Assuming the accrual system treated the "30 days net" as normal, what was done if paid immediately? That closely resembles the situation of credit card rebates on purchases. As to the argument wanting to distribute to reduce all expenses paid during that billing period, is that also being done in reverse with interest charges (if any -- often a business credit card is not intended as a source of credit and balance paid each month -- and SOME people ca manage that with their personal credit cards too) > > > Michael D Novack > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From davidvernonlong at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 15:31:41 2021 From: davidvernonlong at gmail.com (davidvernonlong at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 20:31:41 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Invoicing Message-ID: <001a01d7c1fb$48652820$d92f7860$@gmail.com> I am the treasurer for a sailing club. I wish to invoice members for their lifetime membership. In the accounts this belongs to member's capital (a kind of equity account) and is not taken to income for the year. When I am creating the invoice and need to select the income account, I am not able to select the member's capital account. Is there is a way of being able to do this? Thanks David From goodchris96 at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 16:29:19 2021 From: goodchris96 at gmail.com (Chris Good) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 07:29:19 +1100 Subject: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one Message-ID: <0FED12EB-2CF7-446A-ADBA-E6EC80AAE58D@gmail.com> Hi, A suggestion I?ve followed since I saw it on this list years ago, is to put SCHED in the Num field. I used to remove it after I have ensured it was correct, but now I leave it there permanently to help me understand where it came from if there is any confusion later on. Regards, Chris Good > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:31:57 +0100 > From: "Maf. King" > To: 'Gnucash Users' > Cc: Kalpesh Patel > Subject: Re: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled > transaction versus no scheduled one > Message-ID: <1763186.QZUTf85G27 at janus> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> On Thursday, 14 October 2021 15:19:03 BST Kalpesh Patel wrote: >> >> >> 1 - My habits when it comes to payments for example credit card, mortgage, >> other bills, etc. is to scheduled it out in advance from the appropriate >> institutions that hold my bank accounts, such as checking, savings, etc. at >> a future date but within due date. In the sub-account register for the bank >> account, I like to some-how want to be able to differentiate that I have >> already scheduled up a transaction versus other transaction that is needed >> to be scheduled out. > > > Hi, > > If I careate a transaction in GC (eg to pay a credit card bill) before I have > it set up with my bank, I use the letters "NSUY" in the transaction notes/ > memo space (short for Not Set Up Yet) to remind me to create with the bank. > then those letters can be edited out at some point when I have told the bank > to pay. I guess you could use the Num field in the same way. > > 0.02 > Maf. From colinfarndt at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 17:59:35 2021 From: colinfarndt at gmail.com (Colin Arndt) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:59:35 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts Message-ID: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> Running the latest 4.8-2 on macOS, and for some time now, I?ve noticed if I select any hidden accounts for this report, the setting doesn?t stick. Going into Options, I select Accounts, then ?Show Hidden Accounts.? After selecting the relevant accounts, I click Apply and close out the window. When I come back to the Options screen and re-display Hidden Accounts to verify they?re active... I see they?ve unselected themselves. Since the Net Worth report goes back several years, it includes accounts that I?ve since sunsetted and hidden in GnuCash. If I can?t include these in the report, it?s not nearly as accurate or useful. Thanks for any help on this, Colin From neilcamp65 at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 07:14:29 2021 From: neilcamp65 at gmail.com (Neil Campbell) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 12:14:29 +0100 Subject: [GNC] My data files have disappeared??? Message-ID: <046D1F73-ADC6-435E-A6B0-1F06A448A556@gmail.com> I am using GNUCash v4.8.2 which I upgraded to yesterday on a MacBook Pro (operating system 10.15.7 Catalina). I did a months accounting entries for the month of September and ran reports such as P&L - no problem. When I come to use GNUCash this morning it automatically loads a data file, but the last transaction on this data file is 31 May 2021. I seem to have ?lost" the latest backup (and the three previous months) plus everything that was posted for June, July, August, September each month having about 200 transactions. I cannot find any trace of any data file later than 7 June 2021 on my computer. Can anyone please tell me what has happened to my data files for the previous months? Neil neilcamp65 at gmail.com From mattia at mapreri.org Sat Oct 16 08:59:40 2021 From: mattia at mapreri.org (Mattia Rizzolo) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:59:40 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Handling personal yet-to-pay bills Message-ID: Hi people! I'm a new gnucash user, starting pretty much now. I'll start by saying that despite being a self-employed contractor (and such I am making use of some of the business features of gnucash), my fiscal position in my country (Italy) doesn't impose me any kind of obligation concerning account reports. As such the focus of my set up is really personal, and for now I'm not trying to do things like figuring my tax filings from this. Furthermore I'm allowed to mix "my" money and "my business" money, so effectively my assets are mixed. I have been looking for a more featureful tool than a crude spreadsheet to track all of my assets (and changes to them), that span multiple banks and brokerages (and I also believe I do relatively complex/unusual things that I'd love to be able to track, but I'll come back at a later moment to those). In fact I've been quite happy to discover that the grand total was actually more than what I thought I had at hand :D So thank you to the devs for this program that for now made me very satisfied! :) With that out of the way, today I would like to start with asking the wider community how you'd suggest to track "personal bills" that come and needs to be paid. I'm referring to things like utility bills (phone, electricity, etc) or tax payments that needs to be done; especially those payments that are done manually and don't direct debit to the checking account or credit card. I'd like to have those kind of things filed in even if the actual payment has not been instructed yet, in which case it should count toward a liability (since after all it would an A/P). That would likely also help me remind me of the deadlines. I'm aware of the "bills" feature (that I already started to use with a business vendor, and looks like it's behaving exactly as I'd expect), but I'd like to double check with you if as a user in my situation I'm expected to use the same "business feature" also for personal things? Thanks in advance for your support and sorry for being long-winded! -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then, I believe if you close the program, the following times you start the program, it should try to load that file you just named/saved. IE, typically GnuCash loads the last file it was made to save, if I understand correctly. Kind regards, Greg Feneis On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 4:16 AM Neil Campbell wrote: > I am using GNUCash v4.8.2 which I upgraded to yesterday on a MacBook Pro > (operating system 10.15.7 Catalina). I did a months accounting entries for > the month of September and ran reports such as P&L - no problem. > > When I come to use GNUCash this morning it automatically loads a data > file, but the last transaction on this data file is 31 May 2021. I seem to > have ?lost" the latest backup (and the three previous months) plus > everything that was posted for June, July, August, September each month > having about 200 transactions. I cannot find any trace of any data file > later than 7 June 2021 on my computer. > > Can anyone please tell me what has happened to my data files for the > previous months? > > Neil > neilcamp65 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From gmccollam at live.com Sat Oct 16 10:29:18 2021 From: gmccollam at live.com (Gyle McCollam) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:29:18 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Handling personal yet-to-pay bills In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mattia, You could go the more accounting route and use an accounts payable account or you could do what I do, since I use it for personal accounting purposes, and just record it in the usual account say debit electric and credit your bank account (Checking I assume) on the date you actually are going to pay it. What that does, it shows your "future balance". GNUCash shows a blue line at the current date and all future payments below the line. You could either write the check now or refer to your checking account to see when you actually need to write the checks. I was a bit surprised that you can't have those expenses automatically deducted when they are due. Thank You, Gyle McCollam Gyle McCollam 609.680.2326 Mobile gmccollam at live.com email ________________________________ From: gnucash-user on behalf of Mattia Rizzolo Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 8:59 AM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: [GNC] Handling personal yet-to-pay bills Hi people! I'm a new gnucash user, starting pretty much now. I'll start by saying that despite being a self-employed contractor (and such I am making use of some of the business features of gnucash), my fiscal position in my country (Italy) doesn't impose me any kind of obligation concerning account reports. As such the focus of my set up is really personal, and for now I'm not trying to do things like figuring my tax filings from this. Furthermore I'm allowed to mix "my" money and "my business" money, so effectively my assets are mixed. I have been looking for a more featureful tool than a crude spreadsheet to track all of my assets (and changes to them), that span multiple banks and brokerages (and I also believe I do relatively complex/unusual things that I'd love to be able to track, but I'll come back at a later moment to those). In fact I've been quite happy to discover that the grand total was actually more than what I thought I had at hand :D So thank you to the devs for this program that for now made me very satisfied! :) With that out of the way, today I would like to start with asking the wider community how you'd suggest to track "personal bills" that come and needs to be paid. I'm referring to things like utility bills (phone, electricity, etc) or tax payments that needs to be done; especially those payments that are done manually and don't direct debit to the checking account or credit card. I'd like to have those kind of things filed in even if the actual payment has not been instructed yet, in which case it should count toward a liability (since after all it would an A/P). That would likely also help me remind me of the deadlines. I'm aware of the "bills" feature (that I already started to use with a business vendor, and looks like it's behaving exactly as I'd expect), but I'd like to double check with you if as a user in my situation I'm expected to use the same "business feature" also for personal things? Thanks in advance for your support and sorry for being long-winded! -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- From tom.browder at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 11:22:25 2021 From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:22:25 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? Message-ID: My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse them in Gnucash for ease of use? Thanks. -Tom From mattia at mapreri.org Sat Oct 16 11:27:07 2021 From: mattia at mapreri.org (Mattia Rizzolo) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:27:07 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Handling personal yet-to-pay bills In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gyle! Thanks for answering. I already tried adding transactions with a future date, and that indeed turned out to be as useful as I expected. So far I've done that for things like bank transfers or direct debits that are already issued with a future date. Examples recently were some credit card bills coming in, for which I recorded the payments at the date they will be debited to my checking account, since that was sure to happen. As a more practical example, right now I have two outstanding payments: the electricity bill that is due on November 22nd (that I'll pay with my credit card; the electric company doesn't do recurring charges to credit cards, go figure?), and a tax payment due on November 30th. I have no idea *yet* when I'm going to execute those two payments so, I suppose I'll either have to edit the already-recorded transaction if I simply handle it as you suggests (googling past similar question I saw somebody using a special string in the "memo" field to recognize them). On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 02:29:18PM +0000, Gyle McCollam wrote: > You could go the more accounting route and use an accounts payable > account or you could do what I do, since I use it for personal > accounting purposes, and just record it in the usual account say debit > electric and credit your bank account (Checking I assume) on the date > you actually are going to pay it. What that does, it shows your > "future balance". GNUCash shows a blue line at the current date and > all future payments below the line. You could either write the check > now or refer to your checking account to see when you actually need to > write the checks. I was a bit surprised that you can't have those > expenses automatically deducted when they are due. -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. 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Neil neilcamp65 at gmail.com From jralls at ceridwen.us Sat Oct 16 13:49:36 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:49:36 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <368AD189-BA49-4A6B-B342-23C654076E92@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Tom Browder wrote: > > My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in > the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse > them in Gnucash for ease of use? No, and see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_debits_and_credits.3F for why the bank report appears to be backwards. Regards, John Ralls From the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm Sat Oct 16 14:01:07 2021 From: the_stan_brown at fastmail.fm (Stan Brown) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:01:07 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e5b2433-62fa-545e-8cfc-20f223d8e621@fastmail.fm> On 2021-10-16 08:22, Tom Browder wrote: > My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in > the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse > them in Gnucash for ease of use? I'm sticking my neck out here, but I believe the answer is "no". * A deposit is a debit entry to your checking account because it increases the value of that asset, and a debit -- which is an increase of assets or expenses but a decrease of liabilities, equity, or income -- always goes on the left. * Contrariwise, a withdrawal is a credit entry to your checking account because it decreases the value of that asset, and a credits -- which is a decrease of assets or expenses but an increase of the other account types -- always go on the right. (A bookkeeping text that I read many years ago said that "debit" and "credit" were just accountants' words for "left" and "right", and that when accountants talk about balancing books they mean that the totals on the left and right must be equal.) >From your bank's point of view, the register is correct because _your_ withdrawal decreases their obligation (liability) to you and is therefore a debit on their books, while _your_ deposit increases their obligation and is therefore a credit on their books. The bank's own accounting entries are thus exactly opposite to yours. My suggestion is to relabel the columns in your checkbook register. However ... do you actually need a paper checkbook register? Isn't that just duplicating your checking account records in GnuCash? -- Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com https://OakRoadSystems.com From mfeneis at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 14:04:35 2021 From: mfeneis at gmail.com (Greg Feneis) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 11:04:35 -0700 Subject: [GNC] My data files have disappeared??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was glad to be of help! Kind regards, Greg Feneis On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:27 AM Neil Campbell wrote: > Hi Greg > > I didn?t believe you because I couldn?t find the right file in my list on > Finder. However, I tried what you said opening all GNUCash accounts even > though they were all called Income Statement May 2021. On the third attempt > I found my file and saved it with a new name. Also backed it up > immediately! Thank you so much Greg for taking the trouble to help me. I > will remember this for the future. > > Best regards. > > *Neilneilcamp65 at gmail.com * > > > > From johnjeff at editide.us Sat Oct 16 14:53:19 2021 From: johnjeff at editide.us (John Morris) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:53:19 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? In-Reply-To: <8e5b2433-62fa-545e-8cfc-20f223d8e621@fastmail.fm> References: <8e5b2433-62fa-545e-8cfc-20f223d8e621@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: All these arguments hold very little water in the real world. The fact remains that the OP's bank does not follow the rules that some people think "should be." That bank is not alone in its practice. I interact regularly with three different financial institutions, only one of which follows the practice advocated by the most ardent GnuCash supporters. Another follows the OP's bank's practice and puts the deposits on the right and the withdrawals on the left, although it does call these credits and debits, respectively, in alignment with the GnuCash description of these terms. The third institution gives no running balance and reports both deposit and withdrawal transactions in the same column. Such is the variety of the world, and I'm sure it is much greater than this. Spouting rules and practices does not change the fact that there is still very little standardization in the financial world. We each have ways we like to work and, given the variety in the world, it is relatively easy to find examples to support just about any reasonable choice. The main point to take away from this discussion is that, despite the great variety of the world, one cannot expect much flexibility in GnuCash. Ease of use is not a GnuCash feature. It does things the way the developers think they should be done, and anyone who would like to do things differently can just go find some other software or develop their own. Tough luck! Best, John On 10/16/21 2:01 PM, Stan Brown wrote: > > On 2021-10-16 08:22, Tom Browder wrote: >> My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in >> the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse >> them in Gnucash for ease of use? > > I'm sticking my neck out here, but I believe the answer is "no". > > * A deposit is a debit entry to your checking account because it > increases the value of that asset, and a debit -- which is an increase > of assets or expenses but a decrease of liabilities, equity, or income > -- always goes on the left. > > * Contrariwise, a withdrawal is a credit entry to your checking account > because it decreases the value of that asset, and a credits -- which is > a decrease of assets or expenses but an increase of the other account > types -- always go on the right. (A bookkeeping text that I read many > years ago said that "debit" and "credit" were just accountants' words > for "left" and "right", and that when accountants talk about balancing > books they mean that the totals on the left and right must be equal.) > > From your bank's point of view, the register is correct because _your_ > withdrawal decreases their obligation (liability) to you and is > therefore a debit on their books, while _your_ deposit increases their > obligation and is therefore a credit on their books. The bank's own > accounting entries are thus exactly opposite to yours. > > My suggestion is to relabel the columns in your checkbook register. > > However ... do you actually need a paper checkbook register? Isn't that > just duplicating your checking account records in GnuCash? > From stepbystepfarm at comcast.net Sat Oct 16 15:19:43 2021 From: stepbystepfarm at comcast.net (Michael or Penny Novack) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 15:19:43 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ea4a28e-432d-6713-bef4-386245044903@comcast.net> On 10/16/2021 11:22 AM, Tom Browder wrote: > My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in > the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse > them in Gnucash for ease of use? It is customary practice, when showing both the debits and credits for an account, to have the debit column to the left of the credit column. What is confusing you is forgetting that your point of view and the bank's point of view they are opposite. The money in your account is a asset for you, normally a debit balance, but it is a liability for the bank, a credit balance. They owe you that money. The statement you get from the bank is your account with them from their point of view. That should be opposite from your point of view (what's in your books, not their books) Michael D Novack From tom.browder at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 15:42:26 2021 From: tom.browder at gmail.com (Tom Browder) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:42:26 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? In-Reply-To: References: <8e5b2433-62fa-545e-8cfc-20f223d8e621@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 13:54 John Morris wrote: > All these arguments hold very little water in the real world. Thanks, John. (And also thanks to John Ralls and Stan). I definitely am not complaining about Gnucash, I am grateful for it and the wonderful developers. I am also aware of the debit/credit convention. I just looked in detail about the nice changes in the version 4 series and wondered if that choice might be available now. The reason I still use the paper register is multifold: 1. My wife does not use a computer on a routine basis and we share the checking account, 2. I keep my Gnucash on Windows but do most of my computing on Linux, and 3. Much of our activity is auto-debit and auto-deposit and not always on a known date. So, my daily routine is to log in to our checking every morning on my Linux box and update the paper register from there. When I get around to it I update the Gnucash data (which is under git version control) on the Windows box. And, when I get my monthly bank statement, I reconcile both the register and Gnucash. All this stems from my experience with my first checking account at 17 when I found the bank actually made an error (in 1961, way before PCs)?the man at the bank was quite surprised! No more rambling, I am happy with Gnucash, and I may try scripting some of my work flow now that it seems user friendly. Best regards, -Tom From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 16:58:22 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:58:22 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? In-Reply-To: References: <8e5b2433-62fa-545e-8cfc-20f223d8e621@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <0fa4ff71-19e9-4e5f-879f-8e33456e18c1@yahoo.com> "despite the great variety of the world, one cannot expect much flexibility in GnuCash" Seriously? I'm personally astounded by the myriad ways gnucash can be implemented to meet a worldwide community's diverse needs. But, sure, say what you like. -------- Original Message -------- From: John Morris Sent: Sat Oct 16 14:53:19 EDT 2021 To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? All these arguments hold very little water in the real world. The fact remains that the OP's bank does not follow the rules that some people think "should be." That bank is not alone in its practice. I interact regularly with three different financial institutions, only one of which follows the practice advocated by the most ardent GnuCash supporters. Another follows the OP's bank's practice and puts the deposits on the right and the withdrawals on the left, although it does call these credits and debits, respectively, in alignment with the GnuCash description of these terms. The third institution gives no running balance and reports both deposit and withdrawal transactions in the same column. Such is the variety of the world, and I'm sure it is much greater than this. Spouting rules and practices does not change the fact that there is still very little standardization in the financial world. We each have ways we like to work and, given the variety in the world, it is relatively easy to find examples to support just about any reasonable choice. The main point to take away from this discussion is that, despite the great variety of the world, one cannot expect much flexibility in GnuCash. Ease of use is not a GnuCash feature. It does things the way the developers think they should be done, and anyone who would like to do things differently can just go find some other software or develop their own. Tough luck! Best, John On 10/16/21 2:01 PM, Stan Brown wrote: > > On 2021-10-16 08:22, Tom Browder wrote: >> My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in >> the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse >> them in Gnucash for ease of use? > > I'm sticking my neck out here, but I believe the answer is "no". > > * A deposit is a debit entry to your checking account because it > increases the value of that asset, and a debit -- which is an increase > of assets or expenses but a decrease of liabilities, equity, or income > -- always goes on the left. > > * Contrariwise, a withdrawal is a credit entry to your checking account > because it decreases the value of that asset, and a credits -- which is > a decrease of assets or expenses but an increase of the other account > types -- always go on the right. (A bookkeeping text that I read many > years ago said that "debit" and "credit" were just accountants' words > for "left" and "right", and that when accountants talk about balancing > books they mean that the totals on the left and right must be equal.) > > From your bank's point of view, the register is correct because _your_ > withdrawal decreases their obligation (liability) to you and is > therefore a debit on their books, while _your_ deposit increases their > obligation and is therefore a credit on their books. The bank's own > accounting entries are thus exactly opposite to yours. > > My suggestion is to relabel the columns in your checkbook register. > > However ... do you actually need a paper checkbook register? Isn't that > just duplicating your checking account records in GnuCash? > _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 17:45:33 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 07:45:33 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Can I reverse the "deposit" and "withdrawal" columns for checkbook entry? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom there is no need to do this. Your bank records transactions from its perspective. What is an asset to you is a Liability to them and vice versa so the column names in your accounts will always be reversed from the column names in the bank's statement of your account with them. David Cousens On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 10:22 -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > My bank's checkbook register has the "withdrawal" and "deposit" columns in > the reverse order of that shown in Gnucash. Is there any way to reverse > them in Gnucash for ease of use? > > Thanks. > > -Tom > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From hellvee at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 18:35:26 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 08:35:26 +1000 Subject: [GNC] My data files have disappeared??? In-Reply-To: <046D1F73-ADC6-435E-A6B0-1F06A448A556@gmail.com> References: <046D1F73-ADC6-435E-A6B0-1F06A448A556@gmail.com> Message-ID: Open the folder where you save your GnuCash data files and have a good look at the last modified date and time of the files to find the file you think you updated last, then open GnuCash and use File >> Open to open the file in GnuCash and check if it's the file you are after. Cheers Dave H. On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 21:15, Neil Campbell wrote: > I am using GNUCash v4.8.2 which I upgraded to yesterday on a MacBook Pro > (operating system 10.15.7 Catalina). I did a months accounting entries for > the month of September and ran reports such as P&L - no problem. > > When I come to use GNUCash this morning it automatically loads a data > file, but the last transaction on this data file is 31 May 2021. I seem to > have ?lost" the latest backup (and the three previous months) plus > everything that was posted for June, July, August, September each month > having about 200 transactions. I cannot find any trace of any data file > later than 7 June 2021 on my computer. > > Can anyone please tell me what has happened to my data files for the > previous months? > > Neil > neilcamp65 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From joe.hesse at actcx.com Fri Oct 15 22:40:25 2021 From: joe.hesse at actcx.com (Joseph Hesse) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 04:40:25 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Undo Reconciliation Message-ID: <349f561fc1162dd9aa512b49506164fc@smtp.hushmail.com> Hello, How do I unreconcile about 100 transactions in an account? Thank you, Joe From guillaumetetart at free.fr Thu Oct 14 16:00:47 2021 From: guillaumetetart at free.fr (=?utf-8?Q?Guillaume_T=C3=A9tart?=) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:00:47 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Manuel utilisateur ... Message-ID: <5AFBFB1F-F424-4F44-A634-B92DF6AF3C5E@free.fr> Bonjour madame, monsieur, comment est-il possible qu?il n?existe ? ce jour, aucune version en fran?ais du manuel d?utilisation de GnuCash ? ... Cordialement, From joe.hesse at actcx.com Sat Oct 16 00:04:13 2021 From: joe.hesse at actcx.com (Joseph Hesse) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 06:04:13 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Count Transactions Message-ID: Hello, How do I count the total number of transactions in an account from a start to end date of my choosing? Thank you, Joe From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 19:00:20 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:00:20 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Undo Reconciliation In-Reply-To: <349f561fc1162dd9aa512b49506164fc@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <349f561fc1162dd9aa512b49506164fc@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: AFAIK, only one at a time. However, if this is just to revert back to re-reconcile one or two from a previous reconciliation that were inadvertantly unreconciled, you don't need to do that. Just ignore the starting balance error while you are re-reconciling. On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 5:48 PM Joseph Hesse wrote: > Hello, > How do I unreconcile about 100 transactions in an account? > Thank you, > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From jralls at ceridwen.us Sat Oct 16 19:00:34 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (John Ralls) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:00:34 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Manuel utilisateur ... In-Reply-To: <5AFBFB1F-F424-4F44-A634-B92DF6AF3C5E@free.fr> References: <5AFBFB1F-F424-4F44-A634-B92DF6AF3C5E@free.fr> Message-ID: <56AA7680-4EDF-4BC2-8B93-6D60903EE70B@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Guillaume T?tart wrote: > > Bonjour madame, monsieur, > comment est-il possible qu?il n?existe ? ce jour, aucune version en fran?ais du manuel d?utilisation de GnuCash ? ... > Cordialement, > Because no-one has volunteered to translate the documentation to French. Regards, John Ralls From rvklassen at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 19:03:27 2021 From: rvklassen at gmail.com (R. Victor Klassen) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:03:27 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Count Transactions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EA9A7F6-C52B-4E81-9EC1-D6A645077AB5@gmail.com> Someone may have a better way, but I would use the view->filter menu item to restrict it by date, then do an account report and copy it to a spreadsheet and count them there using the count function on one of the columns. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2021, at 6:53 PM, Joseph Hesse wrote: > > ?Hello, > How do I count the total number of transactions in an account from a start to end date of my choosing? > Thank you, > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Sat Oct 16 22:24:35 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 12:24:35 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Undo Reconciliation In-Reply-To: <349f561fc1162dd9aa512b49506164fc@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <349f561fc1162dd9aa512b49506164fc@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Joe, In the reconciliation window it is possible to click on the debit or credit pane and then use CTRL-A to select all displayed transactions in either pane and either set them as reconciled or unreconciled. There is not any other mechanim to unreconcile transactions other than one at a time in the register. David Cousens On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 04:40 +0200, Joseph Hesse wrote: > Hello, > How do I unreconcile about 100 transactions in an account? > Thank you, > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 16 22:39:23 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 22:39:23 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Undo Reconciliation In-Reply-To: References: <349f561fc1162dd9aa512b49506164fc@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Joe, You could try loading a backup file from before the erroneous reconciliation. David T. -------- Original Message -------- From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com Sent: Sat Oct 16 22:24:35 EDT 2021 To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Undo Reconciliation Joe, In the reconciliation window it is possible to click on the debit or credit pane and then use CTRL-A to select all displayed transactions in either pane and either set them as reconciled or unreconciled. There is not any other mechanim to unreconcile transactions other than one at a time in the register. David Cousens On Sat, 2021-10-16 at 04:40 +0200, Joseph Hesse wrote: > Hello, > How do I unreconcile about 100 transactions in an account? > Thank you, > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Mon Oct 18 08:50:56 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 08:50:56 -0400 Subject: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one In-Reply-To: <0FED12EB-2CF7-446A-ADBA-E6EC80AAE58D@gmail.com> References: <0FED12EB-2CF7-446A-ADBA-E6EC80AAE58D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001701d7c41e$cb546e10$61fd4a30$@usa.net> This suggestion looks more appealing. I will most likely will go with this idea for my first question. For second question, to keep the date accurate, creating a transit account will be more involved to maintain it for what it is worth so for now I am going to stay without it and do mental math if things are off. Nonetheless these are very good suggestions and thanks to all for providing input on how to solve some of the workflows. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Good Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 4:29 PM To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org; kalpesh.patel at usa.net Cc: maf at chilwell.net Subject: Re: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled transaction versus no scheduled one Hi, A suggestion I?ve followed since I saw it on this list years ago, is to put SCHED in the Num field. I used to remove it after I have ensured it was correct, but now I leave it there permanently to help me understand where it came from if there is any confusion later on. Regards, Chris Good > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:31:57 +0100 > From: "Maf. King" > To: 'Gnucash Users' > Cc: Kalpesh Patel > Subject: Re: [GNC] How do you do this - differentiate scheduled > transaction versus no scheduled one > Message-ID: <1763186.QZUTf85G27 at janus> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> On Thursday, 14 October 2021 15:19:03 BST Kalpesh Patel wrote: >> >> >> 1 - My habits when it comes to payments for example credit card, >> mortgage, other bills, etc. is to scheduled it out in advance from >> the appropriate institutions that hold my bank accounts, such as >> checking, savings, etc. at a future date but within due date. In the >> sub-account register for the bank account, I like to some-how want to >> be able to differentiate that I have already scheduled up a >> transaction versus other transaction that is needed to be scheduled out. > > > Hi, > > If I careate a transaction in GC (eg to pay a credit card bill) before > I have it set up with my bank, I use the letters "NSUY" in the transaction notes/ > memo space (short for Not Set Up Yet) to remind me to create with the bank. > then those letters can be edited out at some point when I have told the bank > to pay. I guess you could use the Num field in the same way. > > 0.02 > Maf. From peterb at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 11:32:34 2021 From: peterb at gmail.com (peterb) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:32:34 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: <1FA33EEC-BAC1-489A-A7FB-A740DDABB682@gmail.com> References: <1FA33EEC-BAC1-489A-A7FB-A740DDABB682@gmail.com> Message-ID: In the US, credit card rebates are best treated as a contra-expense account for rebates. In other jurisdictions, this might differ. -p On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:47 PM R. Victor Klassen wrote: > The OLD day? We still have a couple of vendors like that. Happily for us > accrual accounting is their problem. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Michael or Penny Novack < > stepbystepfarm at comcast.net> wrote: > > > > ?Perhaps historical perspective might help, especially with businesses, > because might want to treat the same way as when invoices typically were > like this, except conditional on when paid. > > > > I have no idea how accrual treats this (would have treated this) when in > the old days a vendor might send an invoice like this: > > > > Immediate, 2% discount, 30 days net, else 1% per month. > > > > I am old enough to remember those days. Assuming the accrual system > treated the "30 days net" as normal, what was done if paid immediately? > That closely resembles the situation of credit card rebates on purchases. > As to the argument wanting to distribute to reduce all expenses paid > during that billing period, is that also being done in reverse with > interest charges (if any -- often a business credit card is not intended as > a source of credit and balance paid each month -- and SOME people ca manage > that with their personal credit cards too) > > > > > > Michael D Novack > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From colinfarndt at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 12:03:24 2021 From: colinfarndt at gmail.com (Colin Arndt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:03:24 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts In-Reply-To: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> References: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9EA7B7EA-A180-4BC3-9820-EBBC87150785@gmail.com> Just bumping this question. Does anyone have experience or thoughts on this? Thanks, Colin > On Oct 15, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Colin Arndt wrote: > > Running the latest 4.8-2 on macOS, and for some time now, I?ve noticed if I select any hidden accounts for this report, the setting doesn?t stick. > > Going into Options, I select Accounts, then ?Show Hidden Accounts.? After selecting the relevant accounts, I click Apply and close out the window. When I come back to the Options screen and re-display Hidden Accounts to verify they?re active... I see they?ve unselected themselves. > > Since the Net Worth report goes back several years, it includes accounts that I?ve since sunsetted and hidden in GnuCash. If I can?t include these in the report, it?s not nearly as accurate or useful. > > Thanks for any help on this, > Colin From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 18 22:05:40 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:05:40 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts In-Reply-To: <9EA7B7EA-A180-4BC3-9820-EBBC87150785@gmail.com> References: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> <9EA7B7EA-A180-4BC3-9820-EBBC87150785@gmail.com> Message-ID: I see the same behavior with GC 4.8 under Windows 10, with the Net Worth Linechart as well as with other reports that use the View Hidden Accounts option. It's probably related to the fix for bug 363339 (https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363339), which was closed as fixed in 2009. Odd that no one noticed before this. As a short term fix, I'd unhide the accounts in question, which can be quickly done from the Chart of Accounts page if you have the hidden flag set to show in the tree. You can check and uncheck as many accounts as you like (of course, set the view to show hidden accounts). David T. By the way, it usually takes a little more time for people to respond to issues raised on the list-- especially when the issue is a technical one, like this one is. Patience is a virtue. -------- Original Message -------- From: Colin Arndt Sent: Mon Oct 18 12:03:24 EDT 2021 To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts Just bumping this question. Does anyone have experience or thoughts on this? Thanks, Colin > On Oct 15, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Colin Arndt wrote: > > Running the latest 4.8-2 on macOS, and for some time now, I?ve noticed if I select any hidden accounts for this report, the setting doesn?t stick. > > Going into Options, I select Accounts, then ?Show Hidden Accounts.? After selecting the relevant accounts, I click Apply and close out the window. When I come back to the Options screen and re-display Hidden Accounts to verify they?re active... I see they?ve unselected themselves. > > Since the Net Worth report goes back several years, it includes accounts that I?ve since sunsetted and hidden in GnuCash. If I can?t include these in the report, it?s not nearly as accurate or useful. > > Thanks for any help on this, > Colin _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From public.address at hotmail.co.uk Mon Oct 18 05:33:57 2021 From: public.address at hotmail.co.uk (Public Address) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:33:57 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Import securities into security editor and show local value of shares not default currency value of shares Message-ID: Hi 1. Is it possible to import securities into the securities editor or does every stock have to be manually set up? 2. I have GBP set as the main currency. I have a USD shares in a USD denominated account. Is it possible to show the USD value of the shares? Currently it only shows i) number of shares and ii) value in GBP. Thanks GNU 4.8 Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) Finance::Quote 1.49 Trading Accounts: on Sent from Mail for Windows From colinfarndt at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 23:29:31 2021 From: colinfarndt at gmail.com (Colin Arndt) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:29:31 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21F05842-01DA-40FA-94E4-D9844F780A2F@gmail.com> Thanks David. I?ll file a bug report on this if I don?t hear any other responses in the next few days. Best, Colin > On Oct 18, 2021, at 7:05 PM, D. wrote: > > ? > I see the same behavior with GC 4.8 under Windows 10, with the Net Worth Linechart as well as with other reports that use the View Hidden Accounts option. It's probably related to the fix for bug 363339 (https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363339), which was closed as fixed in 2009. Odd that no one noticed before this. > > As a short term fix, I'd unhide the accounts in question, which can be quickly done from the Chart of Accounts page if you have the hidden flag set to show in the tree. You can check and uncheck as many accounts as you like (of course, set the view to show hidden accounts). > > David T. > > By the way, it usually takes a little more time for people to respond to issues raised on the list-- especially when the issue is a technical one, like this one is. Patience is a virtue. > From: Colin Arndt > Sent: Mon Oct 18 12:03:24 EDT 2021 > To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts > > Just bumping this question. Does anyone have experience or thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > Colin > >> On Oct 15, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Colin Arndt wrote: >> >> Running the latest 4.8-2 on macOS, and for some time now, I?ve noticed if I select any hidden accounts for this report, the setting doesn?t stick. >> >> Going into Options, I select Accounts, then ?Show Hidden Accounts.? After selecting the relevant accounts, I click Apply and close out the window. When I come back to the Options screen and re-display Hidden Accounts to verify they?re active... I see they?ve unselected themselves. >> >> Since the Net Worth report goes back several years, it includes accounts that I?ve since sunsetted and hidden in GnuCash. If I can?t include these in the report, it?s not nearly as accurate or useful. >> >> Thanks for any help on this, >> Colin > > > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From coolnodje at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 09:54:24 2021 From: coolnodje at gmail.com (coolnodje) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:54:24 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Ways to account for monthly VAT declaration Message-ID: <662fdd8b-0229-77d5-1a88-f46d5d13db20@gmail.com> Hi, I've been looking into the available reports to find a way to get an account summary of the VAT collected and spent for a given month. I haven't found anything satisfying unfortunately. My VAT accounts are setup as indicated in Gnucash documentation (All accounts are under Liability) What I want is an automated way to get the amount I need to declare (the tally of the different VAT spent minus the VAT collected with my invoices). Thanks for sharing your views on this. -nodje From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 10:47:05 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder Message-ID: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> Each time I open the company books a 'Due Invoice Reminder' window pops up. That invoice was paid on Sept. 11th so the reminder shouldn't appear. Why might that unwarranted reminder show up? And, how do I remove the unwarranted reminder? My only choices are 'View/Edit Invoice,' 'Process Payment,' or 'Close.' TIA, Rich From derek at ihtfp.com Tue Oct 19 11:04:20 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:04:20 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Tue, October 19, 2021 10:47 am, Rich Shepard wrote: > Each time I open the company books a 'Due Invoice Reminder' window pops > up. > That invoice was paid on Sept. 11th so the reminder shouldn't appear. > > Why might that unwarranted reminder show up? And, how do I remove the > unwarranted reminder? My only choices are 'View/Edit Invoice,' 'Process > Payment,' or 'Close.' If it is still popping up that means GnuCash does not think the invoice was paid. Most likely this means you did not Process Payment and mark that invoice as paid. Check your AP account, and ensure the payment was properly marked to that invoice. > > TIA, > > Rich > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 11:08:09 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 08:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Derek Atkins wrote: > If it is still popping up that means GnuCash does not think the invoice > was paid. Most likely this means you did not Process Payment and mark that > invoice as paid. Check your AP account, and ensure the payment was > properly marked to that invoice. Derek, That's the first place I looked. The newest A/R entry shows that was paid so the current A/R balance is $0.00. I don't enter client invoices until payment is received. Then I enter the invoice and post it to A/R and pay it to clear A/R and enter the amount into checking. Thanks, Rich From derek at ihtfp.com Tue Oct 19 11:14:00 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:14:00 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: <6c13ee75e13f40cec114b56d607d8bfd.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Um, I thought the "Due" reminders are only for Vendor Bills, not Customer Invoices? -derek On Tue, October 19, 2021 11:08 am, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Derek Atkins wrote: > >> If it is still popping up that means GnuCash does not think the invoice >> was paid. Most likely this means you did not Process Payment and mark >> that >> invoice as paid. Check your AP account, and ensure the payment was >> properly marked to that invoice. > > Derek, > > That's the first place I looked. The newest A/R entry shows that was paid > so > the current A/R balance is $0.00. > > I don't enter client invoices until payment is received. Then I enter the > invoice and post it to A/R and pay it to clear A/R and enter the amount > into > checking. > > Thanks, > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 12:32:57 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <6c13ee75e13f40cec114b56d607d8bfd.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <6c13ee75e13f40cec114b56d607d8bfd.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Derek Atkins wrote: > Um, I thought the "Due" reminders are only for Vendor Bills, not Customer > Invoices? derek, This is the first time I've seen it and it is with a client invoice. Rich From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Tue Oct 19 16:05:51 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 22:05:51 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <6c13ee75e13f40cec114b56d607d8bfd.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <6c13ee75e13f40cec114b56d607d8bfd.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Op dinsdag 19 oktober 2021 17:14:00 CEST schreef Derek Atkins: > Um, I thought the "Due" reminders are only for Vendor Bills, not Customer > Invoices? > The customer invoice due reminders have been implemented in think back in 2.4 or 2.6 already. Regards, Geert From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 16:33:36 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <6c13ee75e13f40cec114b56d607d8bfd.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Geert Janssens wrote: > The customer invoice due reminders have been implemented in think back in > 2.4 or 2.6 already. Geert, Derek, et al. I'm running gnucash-3.11 on Slackware-14.2/x86_64. Rich From geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be Tue Oct 19 16:43:15 2021 From: geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be (Geert Janssens) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 22:43:15 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Op dinsdag 19 oktober 2021 22:33:36 CEST schreef Rich Shepard: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Geert Janssens wrote: > > The customer invoice due reminders have been implemented in think back in > > 2.4 or 2.6 already. > > Geert, Derek, et al. > > I'm running gnucash-3.11 on Slackware-14.2/x86_64. > > Rich Rich, Did you by any chance unpost and repost the given invoice at some point in time ? That would cause gnucash to lose the connection between the invoice and the payment. The way to fix it is described here: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/ Business_Features_Issues#Unposting_and_reposting_a_paid_invoice_loses_its_payment Regards, Geert From public.address at hotmail.co.uk Tue Oct 19 03:27:17 2021 From: public.address at hotmail.co.uk (Public Address) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:27:17 +0000 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error Message-ID: Hi - In xml format Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. Plenty of room on disk. I have tried different drives, different filenames no luck. [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] Many thanks Windows 10 GNU 4.8 Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) Finance::Quote 1.49 Trading Accounts: on Sent from Mail for Windows -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 10E0DE93BF7D45FAB1E3DE7E42DF495B.png Type: image/png Size: 18944 bytes Desc: 10E0DE93BF7D45FAB1E3DE7E42DF495B.png URL: From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 17:03:57 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 14:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <9d3f64a-4e29-f056-404c-d7e3a536c85@appl-ecosys.com> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Geert Janssens wrote: > Did you by any chance unpost and repost the given invoice at some point in > time ? That would cause gnucash to lose the connection between the invoice > and the payment. The way to fix it is described here: > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/ > Business_Features_Issues#Unposting_and_reposting_a_paid_invoice_loses_its_payment Geert, I don't recall un- and re-posting it. I'll look at the wiki page. Thanks, Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 17:07:18 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 14:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> Message-ID: <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Geert Janssens wrote: > The way to fix it is described here: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/ > Business_Features_Issues#Unposting_and_reposting_a_paid_invoice_loses_its_payment Geert, That URL displayed an empty page. The suggestion on it to search for the topic on another page also returned an empty page. Ah, well. Thanks, Rich From nvsoar at charter.net Tue Oct 19 17:43:07 2021 From: nvsoar at charter.net (nvsoar) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 14:43:07 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: <60205975-abcc-4efd-179c-e90e9dc2cf5f@charter.net> On 10/19/21 14:07, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Geert Janssens wrote: > >> The way to fix it is described here: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/ >> Business_Features_Issues#Unposting_and_reposting_a_paid_invoice_loses_its_payment >> > > Geert, > > That URL displayed an empty page. The suggestion on it to search for the > topic on another page also returned an empty page. > > Ah, well. Thanks, > > Rich > __ FWIW - use the entire link https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Business_Features_Issues#Unposting_and_reposting_a_paid_invoice_loses_its_payment regards,, nvsoar From hellvee at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 17:43:53 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 07:43:53 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: Rich, No the url works here, make sure you are using the full url as it's split over 2 lines in Geert's email. Cheers David H. On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 07:08, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Tue, 19 Oct 2021, Geert Janssens wrote: > > > The way to fix it is described here: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/ > > > Business_Features_Issues#Unposting_and_reposting_a_paid_invoice_loses_its_payment > > Geert, > > That URL displayed an empty page. The suggestion on it to search for the > topic on another page also returned an empty page. > > Ah, well. Thanks, > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 17:58:52 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 14:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: <239eb024-7e6e-7dd7-3b99-a326fd14c78f@appl-ecosys.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021, David H wrote: > No the url works here, make sure you are using the full url as it's split > over 2 lines in Geert's email. True. I thought I had them both in the address bar but there likely was a space between them. Rich From rshepard at appl-ecosys.com Tue Oct 19 18:04:26 2021 From: rshepard at appl-ecosys.com (Rich Shepard) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: <7dcf3155-aca-f830-c8d-f757d8b1e4a7@appl-ecosys.com> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021, David H wrote: > No the url works here, make sure you are using the full url as it's split > over 2 lines in Geert's email. David, Worked as described. Thanks, Rich From hellvee at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 18:25:15 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 08:25:15 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Clearing due invoice reminder In-Reply-To: <7dcf3155-aca-f830-c8d-f757d8b1e4a7@appl-ecosys.com> References: <9ab05a42-4aad-d8ce-3b9a-bab33e5dc3b@appl-ecosys.com> <2083553.irdbgypaU6@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <9e50c9a4-dcd9-a760-f974-1c3310c1f2b2@appl-ecosys.com> <3138021.aeNJFYEL58@legolas.kobaltwit.lan> <7afc372-1e48-a5b5-2d46-526c4c9cbb76@appl-ecosys.com> <7dcf3155-aca-f830-c8d-f757d8b1e4a7@appl-ecosys.com> Message-ID: Good to know, hope it helps out... Cheers David H. On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 08:05, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021, David H wrote: > > > No the url works here, make sure you are using the full url as it's split > > over 2 lines in Geert's email. > > David, > > Worked as described. > > Thanks, > > Rich > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 21:01:06 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:01:06 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Ways to account for monthly VAT declaration In-Reply-To: <662fdd8b-0229-77d5-1a88-f46d5d13db20@gmail.com> References: <662fdd8b-0229-77d5-1a88-f46d5d13db20@gmail.com> Message-ID: <604f44fe2e4a16482ecb01b6df7e97efca251e0e.camel@gmail.com> Nodje Have you seen the wiki https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GB/HMRC David Cousens On Tue, 2021-10-19 at 15:54 +0200, coolnodje wrote: > Hi, > > I've been looking into the available reports to find a way to get an > account summary of the VAT collected and spent for a given month. > > I haven't found anything satisfying unfortunately. > > My VAT accounts are setup as indicated in Gnucash documentation (All > accounts are under Liability) > > What I want is an automated way to get the amount I need to declare (the > tally of the different VAT spent minus the VAT collected with my invoices). > > Thanks for sharing your views on this. > > -nodje > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 21:15:07 2021 From: cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:15:07 +1100 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi PA I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running on the same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem. BUT I do not have Trading Accounts switched on. I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access that file in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser. See attached screenshot. (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of pasting). Have you tried debugging: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" switch. In my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in ~\AppData\Local\Temp Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? Good luck. Regards Geoff ===== On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: > Hi - In xml format > > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. Plenty of room on disk. I have tried different drives, different filenames no luck. > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > > > Many thanks > > Windows 10 > GNU 4.8 > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > Finance::Quote 1.49 > > Trading Accounts: on > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gnc_save_sqlite.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 258976 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jralls at ceridwen.us Tue Oct 19 23:02:03 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 20:02:03 -0700 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The actual error information should be in the trace file, see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile for details. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:27 AM, Public Address wrote: > > Hi - In xml format > > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. Plenty of room on disk. I have tried different drives, different filenames no luck. > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > > > Many thanks > > Windows 10 > GNU 4.8 > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > Finance::Quote 1.49 > > Trading Accounts: on > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > <10E0DE93BF7D45FAB1E3DE7E42DF495B.png>_______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 23:04:49 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 22:04:49 -0500 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is odd that PA's screenshot made it to my Gmail account in Windows OS when it did not get to Geoff's email client, or maybe it did but Geoff did not see it because for some reason there was an inline link as well as an attachment at the end. In either case I cannot comment on the sqlite issue as I have no experience with that. Did I see an email elsewhere suggesting that sometimes an incorrect version of some library program was incorrectly selected by the installation program? On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Geoff wrote: > Hi PA > > I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running on the > same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem. BUT I do > not have Trading Accounts switched on. > > I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access that file > in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser. See attached screenshot. > > (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of pasting). > > Have you tried debugging: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging > > Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" switch. In > my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in > ~\AppData\Local\Temp > > Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? > > Good luck. > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: > > Hi - In xml format > > > > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. Plenty > of room on disk. I have tried different drives, different filenames no > luck. > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Windows 10 > > GNU 4.8 > > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > > Finance::Quote 1.49 > > > > Trading Accounts: on > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson From cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 23:29:10 2021 From: cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:29:10 +1100 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good pickup David - Thunderbird dropped the attachment, but I can see it via Gmail {:--( Not that it helps much PA, as John said, please check the trace file. Geoff ===== On 20/10/2021 2:04 pm, David Carlson wrote: > It is odd that PA's screenshot made it to my Gmail account in Windows OS > when it did not get to Geoff's email client, or maybe it did but Geoff > did not see it because for some reason there was an inline link as well > as an attachment at the end.? In either case I cannot comment on the > sqlite issue as I have no experience with that.? Did I see an email > elsewhere suggesting that sometimes an incorrect version of some library > program was incorrectly selected by the installation program? > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Geoff > wrote: > > Hi PA > > I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running on the > same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem.? BUT I do > not have Trading Accounts switched on. > > I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access that file > in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser.? See attached screenshot. > > (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of > pasting). > > Have you tried debugging: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging > > > Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" switch.? In > my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in > ~\AppData\Local\Temp > > Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? > > Good luck. > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: > > Hi - In xml format > > > > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. > Plenty of room on disk.? I have tried different drives, different > filenames no luck. > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Windows 10 > > GNU? ? ? 4.8 > > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > > Finance::Quote 1.49 > > > > Trading Accounts: on > > > > Sent from Mail > for Windows > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > -- > David Carlson From cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 06:14:52 2021 From: cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 21:14:52 +1100 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would do it - the schema prohibits NULLs. I don't believe it is possible to import securities, it is not an option on the Import menu. Depending how many you have, you could consider:- Learning to script AutoHotKey - https://www.autohotkey.com/ - which is excellent for automating Windows applications. Or (big stretch) have a look at PieCash - the securities table is called "commodities" - https://github.com/sdementen/piecash/blob/master/piecash/core/commodity.py - but direct database manipulation may void your GnuCash warranty. I reckon you will probably find it quicker to type them in yourself - you can import price data from CSV once the securities themselves are set up. Hope this helps. Regards Geoff ===== On 20/10/2021 7:25 pm, Public Address wrote: > Thank you all.? Someone last night pointed me to the trace file.? I > tried to save as sqlite3, failed then closed down.? The last lines are > as follows: > > * 17:59:21 ERROR gboolean qof_book_is_readonly(const > QofBook*): assertion 'book != NULL' failed > * 17:59:26 ERROR [error_handler()] DBI error: 19: NOT > NULL constraint failed: splits.memo > * 17:59:26 ERROR > [GncDbiSqlConnection::execute_nonselect_statement()] Error executing SQL > INSERT INTO > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) > * 17:59:26 ERROR > [GncSqlBackend::execute_nonselect_statement()] SQL error: INSERT INTO > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) > > I am not sure how to look for transactions via the guid_tx, but I > searched for 463.53.? I was then shown a split transaction view of a > transaction that was put into the imbalance account.? The description > was ?NULL? where the rectangle is in the attached.? Some of my other > imbalance entries had this entry, some did not.? So I removed them all > and now it writes. > > I don't believe I put these ?NULL?s in, I think gnucash did it so might > be something to look into. > > Not sure if you saw my other question ? can import securities (not the > security transactions) or can I only add them via the GUI? > > Many Thanks > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > *From: *Geoff > *Sent: *20 October 2021 04:29 > *To: *David Carlson > *Cc: *Public Address ; > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > *Subject: *Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error > > Good pickup David - Thunderbird dropped the attachment, but I can see it > via Gmail? {:--( > > Not that it helps much PA, as John said, please check the trace file. > > Geoff > ===== > > On 20/10/2021 2:04 pm, David Carlson wrote: > > It is odd that PA's screenshot made it to my Gmail account in Windows OS > > when it did not get to Geoff's email client, or maybe it did but Geoff > > did not see it because for some reason there was an inline link as well > > as an attachment at the end.? In either case I cannot comment on the > > sqlite issue as I have no experience with that.? Did I see an email > > elsewhere suggesting that sometimes an incorrect version of some library > > program was incorrectly selected by the installation program? > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Geoff > >> > wrote: > > > >???? Hi PA > > > >???? I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running > on the > >???? same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem.? BUT I do > >???? not have Trading Accounts switched on. > > > >???? I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access > that file > >???? in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser.? See attached screenshot. > > > >???? (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of > >???? pasting). > > > >???? Have you tried debugging: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging > > >???? > > > > >???? Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" > switch.? In > >???? my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in > >???? ~\AppData\Local\Temp > > > >???? Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? > > > >???? Good luck. > > > >???? Regards > > > >???? Geoff > >???? ===== > > > >???? On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: > >????? > Hi - In xml format > >????? > > >????? > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. > >???? Plenty of room on disk.? I have tried different drives, different > >???? filenames no luck. > >????? > > >????? > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > >????? > > >????? > > >????? > Many thanks > >????? > > >????? > Windows 10 > >????? > GNU? ? ? 4.8 > >????? > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > >????? > Finance::Quote 1.49 > >????? > > >????? > Trading Accounts: on > >????? > > >????? > Sent from Mail >???? >> for Windows > >????? > > >????? > > >????? > > >????? > _______________________________________________ > >????? > gnucash-user mailing list > >????? > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > >????? > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >????? > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > >???? > > >????? > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > >???? > for more information. > >????? > ----- > >????? > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >????? > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >????? > _______________________________________________ > >???? gnucash-user mailing list > >???? gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > >???? To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > >???? > > >???? If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > >???? > for more information. > >???? ----- > >???? Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >???? You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > -- > > David Carlson > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gnc_null_memo.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 76539 bytes Desc: not available URL: From TwinSteel at mail.com Thu Oct 21 17:44:00 2021 From: TwinSteel at mail.com (Bruce) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 23:44:00 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Imbalance on Fixed Income Transaction Message-ID: Just setting up GnuCash 3.8b+(2019-12-29) for the first time on an HP EliteDesk 800 G1 running LinuxMint v20.02 Cinnamon. And yes, I've had Bookkeeping-101 in College, 40+ yrs ago. And it was processed by an IBM 360 Mainframe. What I'm not understanding is the basics behind the "Imbalance" result. I have set up all the top level accounts, and then added FI1 and FI2 (Fixed Income 1&2) as subs below the 'Income' top level account. My two FI's come in at different times, one on the first of each month, the other on the Second Wednesday, which I will eventually want to set up recurring automatic transactions for those two sources (which I basically already have figured out). After opening the register (ledger) for FI1 and entering a transaction for that allotment, lets say $1000.00 and saving it, then opening the transaction register for account FI2, and doing the same, for the same amount and saving that... The main top level account page shows a total income of $2000.00, which is correct and I understand, but directly above that is the "Imbalance-USD" line, and if each transaction is once again opened each shows an 'Imbalance' for the Transfer field in the amount of the transaction. I have reconciled both of these transactions basically meaning that I have seen proof that the transaction occurred by statement or by funds-in-hand and ticked the "R" box in the respective line, which changed to a "c", and is now a "y". But the 'Imbalance' notice remains and the amount does not change. Once the transactions are reconciled, should not the imbalance go away ? I realize the answer to this is likely a simple one, but it is alluding me at the moment, input appreciated. And lastly... Is it advisable to update to v4.8 under Mint ? I notice that the doc page says it should be available through the 'Software Center' on Ubuntu, but I just installed THIS version (3.8) from the Mint 'Software Manager', and I'm limited to Cellular downloads at the moment, so I'd rather not do the 800+MB FlatHub (which is v4.8). Bruce (just another old retired Vet trying to keep his funds straight) From mattia at mapreri.org Thu Oct 21 18:01:25 2021 From: mattia at mapreri.org (Mattia Rizzolo) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 00:01:25 +0200 Subject: [GNC] how to link an expense (a tax) to a invoice being issued Message-ID: Hi people! With the disclaimer that I'm keeping these books for myself, as I'm not required by law to keep them at all, here I come ask you about this specific tax. Also, this turned quite longer than I thought it would, actually while writing my thoughts cleared quite a bit... :) Guess that's a kind of "rubber duck debugging"! For the quicker version go straight to below where I describe my case in way more practical terms. Background: When I issue an invoice I may (or may not) have to pay a 2? duty stamp and attach it to the invoice. That's an effect specific to the fact that I produced a document, and I also need to attach such duty stamp to credit notes, for example. Now, if I do a paper invoice, I most likely already bought weeks/months prior a stash of those duty stamps. Instead, if I'm doing an electronic invoice, the payment for those stamp is deferred to the next quarter. Furthermore, I may or may not (my choice) bill the customer for the expense of this duty stamp. So I am a bit lost on how to properly account for this thing. To me is an expense, that may or may not be charged back to the customer, but I would also like to gather data on, like, how many invoices I'm issuing that I am not billing the duty stamp on, so I wouldn't like to "hide" them into some random expense/income account. The different methods of actual payment of them (in advance or postponed) surely doesn't help make it straightforward. Probably the hardest part is that I would really like to tie the expense to each invoice. I have no clue if there even is a way to do that, but it doesn't seem like there is one. Handling invoices through the GnuCash invoice system makes it impossible to me to add random splits, is there even a chance I could do this? If not, guess I would be stuck creating a separate transaction manually each time I issue an invoice. (in the below examples, I'm referring specifically to the two splits that invoice Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps) and simply "linking" that expense to the invoice by the memo field. To clarify and recap, here was my thinking: 1. The accounts (simplified naming, I have a deeper tree): Balance Assets:Banks:Checking 500.00 Assets:Cash 50.00 Assets:AR 0.- Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 0.- Income:Invoices 0.- Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00- Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 0.- I decided to separate the Pre and Post variant of duty stamps since they are after all handled completely differently and stashing them in a single account would only create confusion later on IMHO. 2. When I buy "paper duty stamps" (that can only be bought in cash?): Debit Credit Balance Assets:Cash 2.00 48.00 Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 4.00- Here the Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre represents a sort of prepaid expense, resulting in a credit for me, which is hence recorded as a negative liability. 3. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am *not* charging the customer: Debit Credit Balance Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 2.00 Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 2.00 This is what I would love to have in my invoice posting transaction (the one that also bears A/R and Income), but that I fear my just simply not be possible. 4. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am charging it back: Debit Credit Balance Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 4.00 Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 4.00 Assets:AR 2.00 2.00 ?????????? 2.00 To what should I match that AR? It ought to be some kind of Income, but I am not really sure, it's not really an income is it? It feels constrained to use Income:Invoices. I was half-thinking to match it against Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps (similarly to what one would do with credit card rebates), but GnuCash won't let me do that from within an invoice. Or am I looking at this from the wrong side and I should just get an Income:TaxCollection kind of account? 5. When I issue a paper invoice, not claiming back the duty stamp: Debit Credit Balance Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 6.00 Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 2.00- And there follows the rest of the invoice; like with case 3, beside this magic linking that I would love to have with these 2 splits and the actual invoice, I think nothing more is needed. 6. For the paper invoice claiming back the duty stamp, it should be like case 4 with the :Pre account, nothing else. 7. When I go to settle the postponed duty stamp and the end of the quarter I suppose I'll simply do: Debit Credit Balance Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 4.00 0.00 Assets:Banks:Checking 4.00 496.00 And be done. Am I in the right direction? Do you spot anything totally wrong? And how would you handle these details I'm unsure about? Thank you in advance for any thought and input you might be able to give to me! :) -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mattia at mapreri.org Thu Oct 21 18:14:54 2021 From: mattia at mapreri.org (Mattia Rizzolo) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 00:14:54 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Imbalance on Fixed Income Transaction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bruce! I believe you are missing something foundamental on how double-entry bookkeeping works. Every time you make a change to one account (in your case FI1 and FI2) there *need* to be another corresponding and opposite change to another. In your case, that's likely means some kind of checking account. If you write nothing there and just press return, GnuCash will automatically match whatever is not matched already to an "Imbalance" account, which collects all kind of splits that weren't properly assigned. More practically, you are using the "basic ledger" that means that you'll have to move on where "Imbalance-USD" is and change it to, say, Assets:Banks:Checking or somesuch, depending on where the money actually went. You should probably have a look at the manual at https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/basics-accounting1.html to have a better idea on how that should work. Reconciling doesn't really help for that, since that really should only be used for things like checking if your account transactions match what your bank think it should be and is not going to re-assign splits to other accounts on its own. Hope to have been of help! On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:44:00PM +0200, Bruce wrote: > Just setting up GnuCash 3.8b+(2019-12-29) for the first time > on an HP EliteDesk 800 G1 running LinuxMint v20.02 Cinnamon. > And yes, I've had Bookkeeping-101 in College, 40+ yrs ago. > And it was processed by an IBM 360 Mainframe. > > What I'm not understanding is the basics behind the "Imbalance" result. > I have set up all the top level accounts, and then added FI1 and FI2 (Fixed Income 1&2) as subs below the 'Income' top level account. > > My two FI's come in at different times, one on the first of each month, the other on the Second Wednesday, which I will eventually want to set up recurring automatic transactions for those two sources (which I basically already have figured out). > > After opening the register (ledger) for FI1 and entering a transaction for that allotment, lets say $1000.00 and saving it, then opening the transaction register for account FI2, and doing the same, for the same amount and saving that... The main top level account page shows a total income of $2000.00, which is correct and I understand, but directly above that is the "Imbalance-USD" line, and if each transaction is once again opened each shows an 'Imbalance' for the Transfer field in the amount of the transaction. > > I have reconciled both of these transactions basically meaning that I have seen proof that the transaction occurred by statement or by funds-in-hand and ticked the "R" box in the respective line, which changed to a "c", and is now a "y". But the 'Imbalance' notice remains and the amount does not change. > > Once the transactions are reconciled, should not the imbalance go away ? > > I realize the answer to this is likely a simple one, > but it is alluding me at the moment, input appreciated. > > And lastly... Is it advisable to update to v4.8 under Mint ? > I notice that the doc page says it should be available through the 'Software Center' on Ubuntu, but I just installed THIS version (3.8) from the Mint 'Software Manager', and I'm limited to Cellular downloads at the moment, so I'd rather not do the 800+MB FlatHub (which is v4.8). > > Bruce > (just another old retired Vet trying to keep his funds straight) > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 19:10:32 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:10:32 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Imbalance on Fixed Income Transaction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71b2ba05ebb7fe0e4018300f63e1e9c9a2ad9924.camel@gmail.com> Hi Bruce It is a formal requirement in double entry accounting theory that the sum of the debit entries/splits for a transaction should equal the sum of the credit entries or splits. Most transactions only have two splits but in the entry of transactions with more than two splits if you enter a transaction (pressing the enter key) GnuCash will assign any imbalance in these sums for the transaction to an imbalance account in the currency (and generate that account if it doees not exist. The purpose of this is to alert you that an unbalanced transaction has been entered and by how much it is unbalanced. Any non-zero balance in an Imbalance account is an indication that a transaction is in error or incomplete and unbalanced. The transaction entry to the Imbalance account enforces that formal accounting requirement for the transaction, even though it has been entered unbalanced. This can generally be fixed by viewing the transaction from any register but most usefully from the Imbalance account register and altering the destination account for the split from the Imbalance account to an appropriate account in your CoA. The transaction split to the Imbalance account will then disappear and its balance should return to 0. When entering transactions with more than two entries/splits if you use the tab key to get to a new line to enter the next split in the transaction, not the enter key, you should not encounter this problem. "Orphan" accounts perform a similar function when an account is deleted without reassigning all transaction splits to that account to another account before deleting the account. David Cousens On Thu, 2021-10-21 at 23:44 +0200, Bruce wrote: > Just setting up GnuCash 3.8b+(2019-12-29) for the first time > on an HP EliteDesk 800 G1 running LinuxMint v20.02 Cinnamon. > And yes, I've had Bookkeeping-101 in College, 40+ yrs ago. > And it was processed by an IBM 360 Mainframe. > > What I'm not understanding is the basics behind the "Imbalance" result. > I have set up all the top level accounts, and then added FI1 and FI2 (Fixed > Income 1&2) as subs below the 'Income' top level account. > > My two FI's come in at different times, one on the first of each month, the > other on the Second Wednesday, which I will eventually want to set up > recurring automatic transactions for those two sources (which I basically > already have figured out). > > After opening the register (ledger) for FI1 and entering a transaction for > that allotment, lets say $1000.00 and saving it, then opening the transaction > register for account FI2, and doing the same, for the same amount and saving > that... The main top level account page shows a total income of $2000.00, > which is correct and I understand, but directly above that is the "Imbalance- > USD" line, and if each transaction is once again opened each shows an > 'Imbalance' for the Transfer field in the amount of the transaction. > > I have reconciled both of these transactions basically meaning that I have > seen proof that the transaction occurred by statement or by funds-in-hand and > ticked the "R" box in the respective line, which changed to a "c", and is now > a "y". But the 'Imbalance' notice remains and the amount does not change. > > Once the transactions are reconciled, should not the imbalance go away ? > > I realize the answer to this is likely a simple one, > but it is alluding me at the moment, input appreciated. > > And lastly... Is it advisable to update to v4.8 under Mint ? > I notice that the doc page says it should be available through the 'Software > Center' on Ubuntu, but I just installed THIS version (3.8) from the Mint > 'Software Manager', and I'm limited to Cellular downloads at the moment, so > I'd rather not do the 800+MB FlatHub (which is v4.8). > > Bruce > (just another old retired Vet trying to keep his funds straight) > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From TwinSteel at mail.com Thu Oct 21 19:17:13 2021 From: TwinSteel at mail.com (Bruce) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 23:17:13 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Imbalance on Fixed Income Transaction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you to Mattia and Steve, I have re-classified FI1 and FI2 as "Assets" rather than "Income", and it's beginning to make some logical sense to me (again). I've likely forgotten most of what I ever learned about bookkeeping, even knowing whether or not that is a hyphenated word... The General Account looks much better now. Couldn't figure out where the faucet was. In other words, I found out how to dump money IN, now all I have to do is find some to 'dump in'. Thanks for your input fellows... Got me thinking back on track... Btw, Steve.. 73 fm KB6LWN Bruce From TwinSteel at mail.com Thu Oct 21 19:45:37 2021 From: TwinSteel at mail.com (Bruce) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 23:45:37 +0000 Subject: [GNC] Imbalance on Fixed Income Transaction Message-ID: Thanks to Mattia and Steve (et all), Not only have I re-classified the FI1 and FI2 streams as "Assets", but since I didn't think "Current Assets" was quite a correct title, I created another asset category of "Recurring Assets" and moved FI1 and FI2 into that category. No more 'Imbalance'... And I have rescheduled recurring transactions for both of those assets. Does anyone see any kind of problem that might surface from that process ? Thanks -n- 73 Bruce KB6LWN From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 22:26:18 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:26:18 +1000 Subject: [GNC] how to link an expense (a tax) to a invoice being issued In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3190500c441d6dc7869300eb64be3fa6ee1e0613.camel@gmail.com> Mattia, When you purchase tax stamps in advance, they become a temporary asset of your business which you would expense at the time you attach then to an invoice.when you purchase the stamps you would credit your bank account by the amount of the purchase and debit an appropriate asset account (e.g. Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid). If you don't pass the tax onto the customer it won't appear as a line item in the invoice and simply becomes an expense on your business. You would at the same time as you raise the invoice and attach the tax stamp create a transaction which credits the above asset account and debits an Expense:TaxPaid account. If you are passing it on to the customerthen create a secondline in the invoice, Add an appropriate description,set the Income account to Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid and set the amount of the attached tax stamp. This will add the value of the tax stamp to the A/R account and credit Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid On the other hand when you raise an electronic invoice and payment is deferred to a future date, then the tax component is a liability on your business which you would record inan account labelled something like Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred. Again if your business is paying the tax and it is not being passed onto the customer then in parallel to raising the customer invoice you would create a separate transaction which credits Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred and debits an expense account Expense:TaxPaid and there would be no line item in the invoice to the customer. If you are passing the tax onto the customer, then when you raise the invoice you add a second line for the tax , set the Income Account to your Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account and enter the amount of the tax payable in that line. This will create a credit to the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account with a matching debit added to the sum of the other lines to the A/R account. Wehn your tax liability is paid your check account is credited by the total of the amount paid and the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account is debited by the same amount. This is of course a generic treatment and may be altered by specific regulations and law which may apply in your jurisdiction. David Cousens On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 00:01 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > Hi people! > > With the disclaimer that I'm keeping these books for myself, as I'm not > required by law to keep them at all, here I come ask you about this > specific tax. > > Also, this turned quite longer than I thought it would, actually while > writing my thoughts cleared quite a bit... :) Guess that's a kind of > "rubber duck debugging"! > For the quicker version go straight to below where I describe my case in > way more practical terms. > > > > Background: > When I issue an invoice I may (or may not) have to pay a 2? duty stamp > and attach it to the invoice. That's an effect specific to the fact > that I produced a document, and I also need to attach such duty stamp > to credit notes, for example. > Now, if I do a paper invoice, I most likely already bought weeks/months > prior a stash of those duty stamps. Instead, if I'm doing an electronic > invoice, the payment for those stamp is deferred to the next quarter. > Furthermore, I may or may not (my choice) bill the customer for the > expense of this duty stamp. > > So I am a bit lost on how to properly account for this thing. To me is > an expense, that may or may not be charged back to the customer, but I > would also like to gather data on, like, how many invoices I'm issuing > that I am not billing the duty stamp on, so I wouldn't like to "hide" > them into some random expense/income account. > The different methods of actual payment of them (in advance or > postponed) surely doesn't help make it straightforward. > > Probably the hardest part is that I would really like to tie the expense > to each invoice. I have no clue if there even is a way to do that, but > it doesn't seem like there is one. Handling invoices through the > GnuCash invoice system makes it impossible to me to add random splits, > is there even a chance I could do this? > If not, guess I would be stuck creating a separate transaction manually > each time I issue an invoice. (in the below examples, I'm referring > specifically to the two splits that invoice Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps) and > simply "linking" that expense to the invoice by the memo field. > > > > > > To clarify and recap, here was my thinking: > > > 1. The accounts (simplified naming, I have a deeper tree): > Balance > Assets:Banks:Checking 500.00 > Assets:Cash 50.00 > Assets:AR 0.- > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 0.- > Income:Invoices 0.- > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00- > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 0.- > > I decided to separate the Pre and Post variant of duty stamps since > they are after all handled completely differently and stashing them > in a single account would only create confusion later on IMHO. > > 2. When I buy "paper duty stamps" (that can only be bought in cash?): > Debit Credit Balance > Assets:Cash 2.00 48.00 > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 4.00- > > Here the Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre represents a sort of prepaid > expense, resulting in a credit for me, which is hence recorded as a > negative liability. > > 3. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am *not* charging the > customer: > Debit Credit Balance > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 2.00 > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 2.00 > > This is what I would love to have in my invoice posting transaction > (the one that also bears A/R and Income), but that I fear my just > simply not be possible. > > 4. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am charging it back: > Debit Credit Balance > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 4.00 > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 4.00 > Assets:AR 2.00 2.00 > ?????????? 2.00 > > To what should I match that AR? It ought to be some kind of Income, > but I am not really sure, it's not really an income is it? It feels > constrained to use Income:Invoices. I was half-thinking to match it > against Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps (similarly to what one would do with > credit card rebates), but GnuCash won't let me do that from within an > invoice. Or am I looking at this from the wrong side and I should > just get an Income:TaxCollection kind of account? > > 5. When I issue a paper invoice, not claiming back the duty stamp: > Debit Credit Balance > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 6.00 > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 2.00- > > And there follows the rest of the invoice; like with case 3, beside > this magic linking that I would love to have with these 2 splits and > the actual invoice, I think nothing more is needed. > > 6. For the paper invoice claiming back the duty stamp, it should be like > case 4 with the :Pre account, nothing else. > > 7. When I go to settle the postponed duty stamp and the end of the > quarter I suppose I'll simply do: > Debit Credit Balance > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 4.00 0.00 > Assets:Banks:Checking 4.00 496.00 > > And be done. > > > > Am I in the right direction? Do you spot anything totally wrong? And > how would you handle these details I'm unsure about? > > Thank you in advance for any thought and input you might be able to give > to me! :) > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From public.address at hotmail.co.uk Wed Oct 20 04:25:25 2021 From: public.address at hotmail.co.uk (Public Address) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 08:25:25 +0000 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you all. Someone last night pointed me to the trace file. I tried to save as sqlite3, failed then closed down. The last lines are as follows: * 17:59:21 ERROR gboolean qof_book_is_readonly(const QofBook*): assertion 'book != NULL' failed * 17:59:26 ERROR [error_handler()] DBI error: 19: NOT NULL constraint failed: splits.memo * 17:59:26 ERROR [GncDbiSqlConnection::execute_nonselect_statement()] Error executing SQL INSERT INTO splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) * 17:59:26 ERROR [GncSqlBackend::execute_nonselect_statement()] SQL error: INSERT INTO splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) I am not sure how to look for transactions via the guid_tx, but I searched for 463.53. I was then shown a split transaction view of a transaction that was put into the imbalance account. The description was ?NULL? where the rectangle is in the attached. Some of my other imbalance entries had this entry, some did not. So I removed them all and now it writes. I don't believe I put these ?NULL?s in, I think gnucash did it so might be something to look into. Not sure if you saw my other question ? can import securities (not the security transactions) or can I only add them via the GUI? Many Thanks Sent from Mail for Windows From: Geoff Sent: 20 October 2021 04:29 To: David Carlson Cc: Public Address; gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error Good pickup David - Thunderbird dropped the attachment, but I can see it via Gmail {:--( Not that it helps much PA, as John said, please check the trace file. Geoff ===== On 20/10/2021 2:04 pm, David Carlson wrote: > It is odd that PA's screenshot made it to my Gmail account in Windows OS > when it did not get to Geoff's email client, or maybe it did but Geoff > did not see it because for some reason there was an inline link as well > as an attachment at the end. In either case I cannot comment on the > sqlite issue as I have no experience with that. Did I see an email > elsewhere suggesting that sometimes an incorrect version of some library > program was incorrectly selected by the installation program? > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Geoff > wrote: > > Hi PA > > I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running on the > same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem. BUT I do > not have Trading Accounts switched on. > > I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access that file > in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser. See attached screenshot. > > (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of > pasting). > > Have you tried debugging: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging > > > Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" switch. In > my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in > ~\AppData\Local\Temp > > Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? > > Good luck. > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: > > Hi - In xml format > > > > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. > Plenty of room on disk. I have tried different drives, different > filenames no luck. > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Windows 10 > > GNU 4.8 > > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > > Finance::Quote 1.49 > > > > Trading Accounts: on > > > > Sent from Mail > for Windows > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > -- > David Carlson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gnu.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 27336 bytes Desc: gnu.JPG URL: From mattia at mapreri.org Fri Oct 22 05:59:07 2021 From: mattia at mapreri.org (Mattia Rizzolo) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 11:59:07 +0200 Subject: [GNC] how to link an expense (a tax) to a invoice being issued In-Reply-To: <3190500c441d6dc7869300eb64be3fa6ee1e0613.camel@gmail.com> References: <3190500c441d6dc7869300eb64be3fa6ee1e0613.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi David, thank you for your insights! So, to highlight the differences between my thoughts and yours: * prepaid stamps as an asset, not a negative liability * tax passed as-is to the customers are not actually expensed (since the invoice would have as the "income account" to debit the Assets:TaxStampsPrepaid or Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred accounts directly) * when not passing the tax stamp onto the customer, that would be my expense, without any direct link to the actual invoice. Is my understanding here correct? Especially, from a formality point of view, is it really correct to *not* expense the tax stamps I'm passing over to customers? -Mattia On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:26:18PM +1000, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > Mattia, > > When you purchase tax stamps in advance, they become a temporary asset of your > business which you would expense at the time you attach then to an invoice.when > you purchase the stamps you would credit your bank account by the amount of the > purchase and debit an appropriate asset account (e.g. > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid). > > If you don't pass the tax onto the customer it won't appear as a line item in > the invoice and simply becomes an expense on your business. You would at the > same time as you raise the invoice and attach the tax stamp create a transaction > which credits the above asset account and debits an Expense:TaxPaid account. > > If you are passing it on to the customerthen create a secondline in the invoice, > Add an appropriate description,set the Income account to > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid and set the amount of the attached tax stamp. > This will add the value of the tax stamp to the A/R account and credit > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid > > On the other hand when you raise an electronic invoice and payment is deferred > to a future date, then the tax component is a liability on your business which > you would record inan account labelled something like > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred. > > Again if your business is paying the tax and it is not being passed onto the > customer then in parallel to raising the customer invoice you would create a > separate transaction which credits Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred and debits an > expense account Expense:TaxPaid and there would be no line item in the invoice > to the customer. > > If you are passing the tax onto the customer, then when you raise the invoice > you add a second line for the tax , set the Income Account to your > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account and enter the amount of the tax payable > in that line. This will create a credit to the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred > account with a matching debit added to the sum of the other lines to the A/R > account. > > Wehn your tax liability is paid your check account is credited by the total of > the amount paid and the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account is debited by the > same amount. > > This is of course a generic treatment and may be altered by specific regulations > and law which may apply in your jurisdiction. > > > David Cousens > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 00:01 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > Hi people! > > > > With the disclaimer that I'm keeping these books for myself, as I'm not > > required by law to keep them at all, here I come ask you about this > > specific tax. > > > > Also, this turned quite longer than I thought it would, actually while > > writing my thoughts cleared quite a bit... :) Guess that's a kind of > > "rubber duck debugging"! > > For the quicker version go straight to below where I describe my case in > > way more practical terms. > > > > > > > > Background: > > When I issue an invoice I may (or may not) have to pay a 2? duty stamp > > and attach it to the invoice. That's an effect specific to the fact > > that I produced a document, and I also need to attach such duty stamp > > to credit notes, for example. > > Now, if I do a paper invoice, I most likely already bought weeks/months > > prior a stash of those duty stamps. Instead, if I'm doing an electronic > > invoice, the payment for those stamp is deferred to the next quarter. > > Furthermore, I may or may not (my choice) bill the customer for the > > expense of this duty stamp. > > > > So I am a bit lost on how to properly account for this thing. To me is > > an expense, that may or may not be charged back to the customer, but I > > would also like to gather data on, like, how many invoices I'm issuing > > that I am not billing the duty stamp on, so I wouldn't like to "hide" > > them into some random expense/income account. > > The different methods of actual payment of them (in advance or > > postponed) surely doesn't help make it straightforward. > > > > Probably the hardest part is that I would really like to tie the expense > > to each invoice. I have no clue if there even is a way to do that, but > > it doesn't seem like there is one. Handling invoices through the > > GnuCash invoice system makes it impossible to me to add random splits, > > is there even a chance I could do this? > > If not, guess I would be stuck creating a separate transaction manually > > each time I issue an invoice. (in the below examples, I'm referring > > specifically to the two splits that invoice Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps) and > > simply "linking" that expense to the invoice by the memo field. > > > > > > > > > > > > To clarify and recap, here was my thinking: > > > > > > 1. The accounts (simplified naming, I have a deeper tree): > > Balance > > Assets:Banks:Checking 500.00 > > Assets:Cash 50.00 > > Assets:AR 0.- > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 0.- > > Income:Invoices 0.- > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00- > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 0.- > > > > I decided to separate the Pre and Post variant of duty stamps since > > they are after all handled completely differently and stashing them > > in a single account would only create confusion later on IMHO. > > > > 2. When I buy "paper duty stamps" (that can only be bought in cash?): > > Debit Credit Balance > > Assets:Cash 2.00 48.00 > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 4.00- > > > > Here the Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre represents a sort of prepaid > > expense, resulting in a credit for me, which is hence recorded as a > > negative liability. > > > > 3. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am *not* charging the > > customer: > > Debit Credit Balance > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 2.00 > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 2.00 > > > > This is what I would love to have in my invoice posting transaction > > (the one that also bears A/R and Income), but that I fear my just > > simply not be possible. > > > > 4. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am charging it back: > > Debit Credit Balance > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 4.00 > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 4.00 > > Assets:AR 2.00 2.00 > > ?????????? 2.00 > > > > To what should I match that AR? It ought to be some kind of Income, > > but I am not really sure, it's not really an income is it? It feels > > constrained to use Income:Invoices. I was half-thinking to match it > > against Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps (similarly to what one would do with > > credit card rebates), but GnuCash won't let me do that from within an > > invoice. Or am I looking at this from the wrong side and I should > > just get an Income:TaxCollection kind of account? > > > > 5. When I issue a paper invoice, not claiming back the duty stamp: > > Debit Credit Balance > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 6.00 > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 2.00- > > > > And there follows the rest of the invoice; like with case 3, beside > > this magic linking that I would love to have with these 2 splits and > > the actual invoice, I think nothing more is needed. > > > > 6. For the paper invoice claiming back the duty stamp, it should be like > > case 4 with the :Pre account, nothing else. > > > > 7. When I go to settle the postponed duty stamp and the end of the > > quarter I suppose I'll simply do: > > Debit Credit Balance > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 4.00 0.00 > > Assets:Banks:Checking 4.00 496.00 > > > > And be done. > > > > > > > > Am I in the right direction? Do you spot anything totally wrong? And > > how would you handle these details I'm unsure about? > > > > Thank you in advance for any thought and input you might be able to give > > to me! :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. 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This primarily relates to the timing of the recording of income and expenses. Some jurisdictions allow a "cash" accounting basis usually unde a specific turnover or income threshold where events are recorded at the time the money actuallyexchanges hands. If you are passing the tax through to the customer, it is the customer who is actually paying the tax. You are in effect acting as an unpaid agent for the tax office. You are receiving back from the customer the amount you paid for the tax stamps so it is revenue and expense neutral. This is the primary reason it is not an expense for you. David Cousens On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 11:59 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > Hi David, thank you for your insights! > > So, to highlight the differences between my thoughts and yours: > > * prepaid stamps as an asset, not a negative liability > * tax passed as-is to the customers are not actually expensed (since > the invoice would have as the "income account" to debit the > Assets:TaxStampsPrepaid or Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred accounts > directly) > * when not passing the tax stamp onto the customer, that would be my > expense, without any direct link to the actual invoice. > > > Is my understanding here correct? > Especially, from a formality point of view, is it really correct to *not* > expense the tax stamps I'm passing over to customers? > > -Mattia > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:26:18PM +1000, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > > Mattia, > > > > When you purchase tax stamps in advance, they become a temporary asset of > > your > > business which you would expense at the time you attach then to an > > invoice.when > > you purchase the stamps you would credit your bank account by the amount of > > the > > purchase and debit an appropriate asset account (e.g. > > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid). > > > > If you don't pass the tax onto the customer it won't appear as a line item > > in > > the invoice and simply becomes an expense on your business. You would at the > > same time as you raise the invoice and attach the tax stamp create a > > transaction > > which credits the above asset account and debits an Expense:TaxPaid account. > > > > If you are passing it on to the customerthen create a secondline in the > > invoice, > > Add an appropriate description,set the Income account to > > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid and set the amount of the attached tax stamp. > > This will add the value of the tax stamp to the A/R account and credit > > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid > > > > On the other hand when you raise an electronic invoice and payment is > > deferred > > to a future date, then the tax component is a liability on your business > > which > > you would record inan account labelled something like > > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred. > > > > Again if your business is paying the tax and it is not being passed onto the > > customer then in parallel to raising the customer invoice you would create a > > separate transaction which credits Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred and debits > > an > > expense account Expense:TaxPaid and there would be no line item in the > > invoice > > to the customer. > > > > If you are passing the tax onto the customer, then when you raise the > > invoice > > you add a second line for the tax , set the Income Account to your > > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account and enter the amount of the tax > > payable > > in that line. This will create a credit to the > > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred > > account with a matching debit added to the sum of the other lines to the A/R > > account. > > > > Wehn your tax liability is paid your check account is credited by the total > > of > > the amount paid and the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account is debited by > > the > > same amount. > > > > This is of course a generic treatment and may be altered by specific > > regulations > > and law which may apply in your jurisdiction. > > > > > > David Cousens > > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 00:01 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > > Hi people! > > > > > > With the disclaimer that I'm keeping these books for myself, as I'm not > > > required by law to keep them at all, here I come ask you about this > > > specific tax. > > > > > > Also, this turned quite longer than I thought it would, actually while > > > writing my thoughts cleared quite a bit... :) Guess that's a kind of > > > "rubber duck debugging"! > > > For the quicker version go straight to below where I describe my case in > > > way more practical terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Background: > > > When I issue an invoice I may (or may not) have to pay a 2? duty stamp > > > and attach it to the invoice. That's an effect specific to the fact > > > that I produced a document, and I also need to attach such duty stamp > > > to credit notes, for example. > > > Now, if I do a paper invoice, I most likely already bought weeks/months > > > prior a stash of those duty stamps. Instead, if I'm doing an electronic > > > invoice, the payment for those stamp is deferred to the next quarter. > > > Furthermore, I may or may not (my choice) bill the customer for the > > > expense of this duty stamp. > > > > > > So I am a bit lost on how to properly account for this thing. To me is > > > an expense, that may or may not be charged back to the customer, but I > > > would also like to gather data on, like, how many invoices I'm issuing > > > that I am not billing the duty stamp on, so I wouldn't like to "hide" > > > them into some random expense/income account. > > > The different methods of actual payment of them (in advance or > > > postponed) surely doesn't help make it straightforward. > > > > > > Probably the hardest part is that I would really like to tie the expense > > > to each invoice. I have no clue if there even is a way to do that, but > > > it doesn't seem like there is one. Handling invoices through the > > > GnuCash invoice system makes it impossible to me to add random splits, > > > is there even a chance I could do this? > > > If not, guess I would be stuck creating a separate transaction manually > > > each time I issue an invoice. (in the below examples, I'm referring > > > specifically to the two splits that invoice Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps) and > > > simply "linking" that expense to the invoice by the memo field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To clarify and recap, here was my thinking: > > > > > > > > > 1. The accounts (simplified naming, I have a deeper tree): > > > Balance > > > Assets:Banks:Checking 500.00 > > > Assets:Cash 50.00 > > > Assets:AR 0.- > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 0.- > > > Income:Invoices 0.- > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00- > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 0.- > > > > > > I decided to separate the Pre and Post variant of duty stamps since > > > they are after all handled completely differently and stashing them > > > in a single account would only create confusion later on IMHO. > > > > > > 2. When I buy "paper duty stamps" (that can only be bought in cash?): > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > Assets:Cash 2.00 48.00 > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 4.00- > > > > > > Here the Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre represents a sort of prepaid > > > expense, resulting in a credit for me, which is hence recorded as a > > > negative liability. > > > > > > 3. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am *not* charging the > > > customer: > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 2.00 > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 2.00 > > > > > > This is what I would love to have in my invoice posting transaction > > > (the one that also bears A/R and Income), but that I fear my just > > > simply not be possible. > > > > > > 4. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am charging it back: > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 4.00 > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 4.00 > > > Assets:AR 2.00 2.00 > > > ?????????? 2.00 > > > > > > To what should I match that AR? It ought to be some kind of Income, > > > but I am not really sure, it's not really an income is it? It feels > > > constrained to use Income:Invoices. I was half-thinking to match it > > > against Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps (similarly to what one would do with > > > credit card rebates), but GnuCash won't let me do that from within an > > > invoice. Or am I looking at this from the wrong side and I should > > > just get an Income:TaxCollection kind of account? > > > > > > 5. When I issue a paper invoice, not claiming back the duty stamp: > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 6.00 > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 2.00- > > > > > > And there follows the rest of the invoice; like with case 3, beside > > > this magic linking that I would love to have with these 2 splits and > > > the actual invoice, I think nothing more is needed. > > > > > > 6. For the paper invoice claiming back the duty stamp, it should be like > > > case 4 with the :Pre account, nothing else. > > > > > > 7. When I go to settle the postponed duty stamp and the end of the > > > quarter I suppose I'll simply do: > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 4.00 0.00 > > > Assets:Banks:Checking 4.00 496.00 > > > > > > And be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I in the right direction? Do you spot anything totally wrong? And > > > how would you handle these details I'm unsure about? > > > > > > Thank you in advance for any thought and input you might be able to give > > > to me! :) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From mattia at mapreri.org Fri Oct 22 18:08:35 2021 From: mattia at mapreri.org (Mattia Rizzolo) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:08:35 +0200 Subject: [GNC] how to link an expense (a tax) to a invoice being issued In-Reply-To: References: <3190500c441d6dc7869300eb64be3fa6ee1e0613.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: Very well David, I shall do as you suggest then! Thank you! On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 10:50 PM wrote: > > Hi Mattia, > > I think you summay has captured the essentials. Whether you use a Liability or > an Asset Acciunt to record the value of the stamps will not matter in practice > but an asset account more correctly reflects the actual situation. > > My description is appropriate when your business is using an "accrual" counting > methodology. This primarily relates to the timing of the recording of income and > expenses. Some jurisdictions allow a "cash" accounting basis usually unde a > specific turnover or income threshold where events are recorded at the time the > money actuallyexchanges hands. > > If you are passing the tax through to the customer, it is the customer who is > actually paying the tax. You are in effect acting as an unpaid agent for the tax > office. You are receiving back from the customer the amount you paid for the tax > stamps so it is revenue and expense neutral. This is the primary reason it is > not an expense for you. > > David Cousens > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 11:59 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > Hi David, thank you for your insights! > > > > So, to highlight the differences between my thoughts and yours: > > > > * prepaid stamps as an asset, not a negative liability > > * tax passed as-is to the customers are not actually expensed (since > > the invoice would have as the "income account" to debit the > > Assets:TaxStampsPrepaid or Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred accounts > > directly) > > * when not passing the tax stamp onto the customer, that would be my > > expense, without any direct link to the actual invoice. > > > > > > Is my understanding here correct? > > Especially, from a formality point of view, is it really correct to *not* > > expense the tax stamps I'm passing over to customers? > > > > -Mattia > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:26:18PM +1000, davidcousens49 at gmail.com wrote: > > > Mattia, > > > > > > When you purchase tax stamps in advance, they become a temporary asset of > > > your > > > business which you would expense at the time you attach then to an > > > invoice.when > > > you purchase the stamps you would credit your bank account by the amount of > > > the > > > purchase and debit an appropriate asset account (e.g. > > > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid). > > > > > > If you don't pass the tax onto the customer it won't appear as a line item > > > in > > > the invoice and simply becomes an expense on your business. You would at the > > > same time as you raise the invoice and attach the tax stamp create a > > > transaction > > > which credits the above asset account and debits an Expense:TaxPaid account. > > > > > > If you are passing it on to the customerthen create a secondline in the > > > invoice, > > > Add an appropriate description,set the Income account to > > > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid and set the amount of the attached tax stamp. > > > This will add the value of the tax stamp to the A/R account and credit > > > Asset:Current:TaxStampsPrepaid > > > > > > On the other hand when you raise an electronic invoice and payment is > > > deferred > > > to a future date, then the tax component is a liability on your business > > > which > > > you would record inan account labelled something like > > > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred. > > > > > > Again if your business is paying the tax and it is not being passed onto the > > > customer then in parallel to raising the customer invoice you would create a > > > separate transaction which credits Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred and debits > > > an > > > expense account Expense:TaxPaid and there would be no line item in the > > > invoice > > > to the customer. > > > > > > If you are passing the tax onto the customer, then when you raise the > > > invoice > > > you add a second line for the tax , set the Income Account to your > > > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account and enter the amount of the tax > > > payable > > > in that line. This will create a credit to the > > > Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred > > > account with a matching debit added to the sum of the other lines to the A/R > > > account. > > > > > > Wehn your tax liability is paid your check account is credited by the total > > > of > > > the amount paid and the Liabilities:TaxPayableDeferred account is debited by > > > the > > > same amount. > > > > > > This is of course a generic treatment and may be altered by specific > > > regulations > > > and law which may apply in your jurisdiction. > > > > > > > > > David Cousens > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 00:01 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > > > Hi people! > > > > > > > > With the disclaimer that I'm keeping these books for myself, as I'm not > > > > required by law to keep them at all, here I come ask you about this > > > > specific tax. > > > > > > > > Also, this turned quite longer than I thought it would, actually while > > > > writing my thoughts cleared quite a bit... :) Guess that's a kind of > > > > "rubber duck debugging"! > > > > For the quicker version go straight to below where I describe my case in > > > > way more practical terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Background: > > > > When I issue an invoice I may (or may not) have to pay a 2? duty stamp > > > > and attach it to the invoice. That's an effect specific to the fact > > > > that I produced a document, and I also need to attach such duty stamp > > > > to credit notes, for example. > > > > Now, if I do a paper invoice, I most likely already bought weeks/months > > > > prior a stash of those duty stamps. Instead, if I'm doing an electronic > > > > invoice, the payment for those stamp is deferred to the next quarter. > > > > Furthermore, I may or may not (my choice) bill the customer for the > > > > expense of this duty stamp. > > > > > > > > So I am a bit lost on how to properly account for this thing. To me is > > > > an expense, that may or may not be charged back to the customer, but I > > > > would also like to gather data on, like, how many invoices I'm issuing > > > > that I am not billing the duty stamp on, so I wouldn't like to "hide" > > > > them into some random expense/income account. > > > > The different methods of actual payment of them (in advance or > > > > postponed) surely doesn't help make it straightforward. > > > > > > > > Probably the hardest part is that I would really like to tie the expense > > > > to each invoice. I have no clue if there even is a way to do that, but > > > > it doesn't seem like there is one. Handling invoices through the > > > > GnuCash invoice system makes it impossible to me to add random splits, > > > > is there even a chance I could do this? > > > > If not, guess I would be stuck creating a separate transaction manually > > > > each time I issue an invoice. (in the below examples, I'm referring > > > > specifically to the two splits that invoice Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps) and > > > > simply "linking" that expense to the invoice by the memo field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To clarify and recap, here was my thinking: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The accounts (simplified naming, I have a deeper tree): > > > > Balance > > > > Assets:Banks:Checking 500.00 > > > > Assets:Cash 50.00 > > > > Assets:AR 0.- > > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 0.- > > > > Income:Invoices 0.- > > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00- > > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 0.- > > > > > > > > I decided to separate the Pre and Post variant of duty stamps since > > > > they are after all handled completely differently and stashing them > > > > in a single account would only create confusion later on IMHO. > > > > > > > > 2. When I buy "paper duty stamps" (that can only be bought in cash?): > > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > > Assets:Cash 2.00 48.00 > > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 4.00- > > > > > > > > Here the Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre represents a sort of prepaid > > > > expense, resulting in a credit for me, which is hence recorded as a > > > > negative liability. > > > > > > > > 3. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am *not* charging the > > > > customer: > > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 2.00 > > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 2.00 > > > > > > > > This is what I would love to have in my invoice posting transaction > > > > (the one that also bears A/R and Income), but that I fear my just > > > > simply not be possible. > > > > > > > > 4. When I issue an electronic invoice for which I am charging it back: > > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 4.00 > > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 2.00 4.00 > > > > Assets:AR 2.00 2.00 > > > > ?????????? 2.00 > > > > > > > > To what should I match that AR? It ought to be some kind of Income, > > > > but I am not really sure, it's not really an income is it? It feels > > > > constrained to use Income:Invoices. I was half-thinking to match it > > > > against Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps (similarly to what one would do with > > > > credit card rebates), but GnuCash won't let me do that from within an > > > > invoice. Or am I looking at this from the wrong side and I should > > > > just get an Income:TaxCollection kind of account? > > > > > > > > 5. When I issue a paper invoice, not claiming back the duty stamp: > > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > > Expenses:Tax:DutyStamps 2.00 6.00 > > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Pre 2.00 2.00- > > > > > > > > And there follows the rest of the invoice; like with case 3, beside > > > > this magic linking that I would love to have with these 2 splits and > > > > the actual invoice, I think nothing more is needed. > > > > > > > > 6. For the paper invoice claiming back the duty stamp, it should be like > > > > case 4 with the :Pre account, nothing else. > > > > > > > > 7. When I go to settle the postponed duty stamp and the end of the > > > > quarter I suppose I'll simply do: > > > > Debit Credit Balance > > > > Liabilities:Tax:DutyStamps:Post 4.00 0.00 > > > > Assets:Banks:Checking 4.00 496.00 > > > > > > > > And be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I in the right direction? Do you spot anything totally wrong? 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Message-ID: When I attempt to send some questions contained in a .pdf attachment, I get nailed by SpamAssassin, so I am trying here without the attachment to see if that is the problem. From derek at ihtfp.com Fri Oct 22 20:32:18 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:32:18 -0400 Subject: [GNC] SpamAssassin?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d6cbae2dcae5c85c19834bc290e6cc2.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Hi, On Fri, October 22, 2021 6:17 pm, m.x. keating wrote: > When I attempt to send some questions contained in a .pdf attachment, I > get nailed by SpamAssassin, so I am trying here without the attachment > to see if that is the problem. Yes, that's the problem. Don't send a PDF to the list. Just ask your questions. > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 21:18:53 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 20:18:53 -0500 Subject: [GNC] SpamAssassin?? In-Reply-To: <1d6cbae2dcae5c85c19834bc290e6cc2.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> References: <1d6cbae2dcae5c85c19834bc290e6cc2.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: Can I make a suggestion? Sometimes, when I want to post a rather complex statement to a text based medium I will compose the statement in a higher level editor, possibly Libre Office, then copy and paste into the destination. That should work where PDF's do not. On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 7:35 PM Derek Atkins wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, October 22, 2021 6:17 pm, m.x. keating wrote: > > When I attempt to send some questions contained in a .pdf attachment, I > > get nailed by SpamAssassin, so I am trying here without the attachment > > to see if that is the problem. > > Yes, that's the problem. > Don't send a PDF to the list. > Just ask your questions. > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > -derek > > -- > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 > derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com > Computer and Internet Security Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 21:42:34 2021 From: cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:42:34 +1100 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9f376f39-0bd8-8742-9870-3606d01ea709@gmail.com> Looks like that approach could work, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the inner workings of GnuCash to advise you authoritatively. Good luck! Regards Geoff ===== On 22/10/2021 11:52 pm, Public Address wrote: > Thanks, interesting that deleting the ?NULL? text and leaving it empty > allowed it to go through. > > ?but direct database manipulation may void your GnuCash warranty.? > > I was thinking about direct upload to the postgres table (creating my > own guid and checking for duplication) but that doesn?t sound like a > good idea? > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > *From: *Geoff > *Sent: *20 October 2021 11:15 > *To: *Public Address ; David > Carlson > *Cc: *gnucash-user at gnucash.org > *Subject: *Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error > > That would do it - the schema prohibits NULLs. > > I don't believe it is possible to import securities, it is not an option > on the Import menu.? Depending how many you have, you could consider:- > > Learning to script AutoHotKey - https://www.autohotkey.com/ > - which is > excellent for automating Windows applications. > > Or (big stretch) have a look at PieCash - the securities table is called > "commodities" - > https://github.com/sdementen/piecash/blob/master/piecash/core/commodity.py > > > - but direct database manipulation may void your GnuCash warranty. > > I reckon you will probably find it quicker to type them in yourself - > you can import price data from CSV once the securities themselves are > set up. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > > > On 20/10/2021 7:25 pm, Public Address wrote: > > Thank you all.? Someone last night pointed me to the trace file.? I > > tried to save as sqlite3, failed then closed down.? The last lines are > > as follows: > > > > * 17:59:21 ERROR gboolean qof_book_is_readonly(const > > QofBook*): assertion 'book != NULL' failed > > * 17:59:26 ERROR [error_handler()] DBI error: 19: NOT > > NULL constraint failed: splits.memo > > * 17:59:26 ERROR > > [GncDbiSqlConnection::execute_nonselect_statement()] Error executing SQL > > INSERT INTO > > > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > > > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 > > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) > > * 17:59:26 ERROR > > [GncSqlBackend::execute_nonselect_statement()] SQL error: INSERT INTO > > > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > > > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 > > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) > > > > I am not sure how to look for transactions via the guid_tx, but I > > searched for 463.53.? I was then shown a split transaction view of a > > transaction that was put into the imbalance account.? The description > > was ?NULL? where the rectangle is in the attached.? Some of my other > > imbalance entries had this entry, some did not.? So I removed them all > > and now it writes. > > > > I don't believe I put these ?NULL?s in, I think gnucash did it so might > > be something to look into. > > > > Not sure if you saw my other question ? can import securities (not the > > security transactions) or can I only add them via the GUI? > > > > Many Thanks > > > > Sent from Mail > for Windows > > > > *From: *Geoff > > > *Sent: *20 October 2021 04:29 > > *To: *David Carlson > > > *Cc: *Public Address >; > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > *Subject: *Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error > > > > Good pickup David - Thunderbird dropped the attachment, but I can see it > > via Gmail? {:--( > > > > Not that it helps much PA, as John said, please check the trace file. > > > > Geoff > > ===== > > > > On 20/10/2021 2:04 pm, David Carlson wrote: > >? > It is odd that PA's screenshot made it to my Gmail account in > Windows OS > >? > when it did not get to Geoff's email client, or maybe it did but Geoff > >? > did not see it because for some reason there was an inline link as > well > >? > as an attachment at the end.? In either case I cannot comment on the > >? > sqlite issue as I have no experience with that.? Did I see an email > >? > elsewhere suggesting that sometimes an incorrect version of some > library > >? > program was incorrectly selected by the installation program? > >? > > >? > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Geoff >? > >>> > > wrote: > >? > > >? >???? Hi PA > >? > > >? >???? I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running > > on the > >? >???? same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem. > BUT I do > >? >???? not have Trading Accounts switched on. > >? > > >? >???? I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access > > that file > >? >???? in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser.? See attached > screenshot. > >? > > >? >???? (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of > >? >???? pasting). > >? > > >? >???? Have you tried debugging: > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging > > > > > >? >???? > >> > >? > > >? >???? Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" > > switch.? In > >? >???? my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in > >? >???? ~\AppData\Local\Temp > >? > > >? >???? Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? > >? > > >? >???? Good luck. > >? > > >? >???? Regards > >? > > >? >???? Geoff > >? >???? ===== > >? > > >? >???? On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: > >? >????? > Hi - In xml format > >? >????? > > >? >????? > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to > 213kb. > >? >???? Plenty of room on disk.? I have tried different drives, different > >? >???? filenames no luck. > >? >????? > > >? >????? > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > >? >????? > > >? >????? > > >? >????? > Many thanks > >? >????? > > >? >????? > Windows 10 > >? >????? > GNU? ? ? 4.8 > >? >????? > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > >? >????? > Finance::Quote 1.49 > >? >????? > > >? >????? > Trading Accounts: on > >? >????? > > >? >????? > Sent from Mail >? >???? > >>> for Windows > >? >????? > > >? >????? > > >? >????? > > >? >????? > _______________________________________________ > >? >????? > gnucash-user mailing list > >? >????? > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> > >? >????? > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >? >????? > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > >? >???? > >> > >? >????? > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >? > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > > > > >? >???? > >> for more information. > >? >????? > ----- > >? >????? > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >? >????? > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >? >????? > _______________________________________________ > >? >???? gnucash-user mailing list > >? >???? gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> > >? >???? To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >? > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > >? >???? > >> > >? >???? If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >? > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > > > > >? >???? > >> for more information. > >? >???? ----- > >? >???? Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >? >???? You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >? > > >? > > >? > > >? > -- > >? > David Carlson > > > From pbw at pbw.id.au Fri Oct 22 21:54:20 2021 From: pbw at pbw.id.au (Peter West) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 11:54:20 +1000 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: <9f376f39-0bd8-8742-9870-3606d01ea709@gmail.com> References: <9f376f39-0bd8-8742-9870-3606d01ea709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B93BB33-FFAF-4AFB-B52F-2F3487ADB178@pbw.id.au> FWIW, I just tried to save my postgresql-based data as sqlite3 and GnuCash crashed. Peter ? Peter West pbw at ehealth.id.au ?And why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?? > On 23 Oct 2021, at 11:42 am, Geoff wrote: > > Looks like that approach could work, but I'm afraid I don't know enough about the inner workings of GnuCash to advise you authoritatively. > > Good luck! > > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > On 22/10/2021 11:52 pm, Public Address wrote: >> Thanks, interesting that deleting the ?NULL? text and leaving it empty allowed it to go through. >> ?but direct database manipulation may void your GnuCash warranty.? >> I was thinking about direct upload to the postgres table (creating my own guid and checking for duplication) but that doesn?t sound like a good idea? >> Sent from Mail > for Windows >> *From: *Geoff > >> *Sent: *20 October 2021 11:15 >> *To: *Public Address >; David Carlson > >> *Cc: *gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >> *Subject: *Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error >> That would do it - the schema prohibits NULLs. >> I don't believe it is possible to import securities, it is not an option >> on the Import menu. Depending how many you have, you could consider:- >> Learning to script AutoHotKey - https://www.autohotkey.com/ > - which is >> excellent for automating Windows applications. >> Or (big stretch) have a look at PieCash - the securities table is called >> "commodities" - >> https://github.com/sdementen/piecash/blob/master/piecash/core/commodity.py > - but direct database manipulation may void your GnuCash warranty. >> I reckon you will probably find it quicker to type them in yourself - >> you can import price data from CSV once the securities themselves are >> set up. >> Hope this helps. >> Regards >> Geoff >> ===== >> On 20/10/2021 7:25 pm, Public Address wrote: >> > Thank you all. Someone last night pointed me to the trace file. I >> > tried to save as sqlite3, failed then closed down. The last lines are >> > as follows: >> > >> > * 17:59:21 ERROR gboolean qof_book_is_readonly(const >> > QofBook*): assertion 'book != NULL' failed >> > * 17:59:26 ERROR [error_handler()] DBI error: 19: NOT >> > NULL constraint failed: splits.memo >> > * 17:59:26 ERROR >> > [GncDbiSqlConnection::execute_nonselect_statement()] Error executing SQL >> > INSERT INTO >> > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 >> > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) >> > * 17:59:26 ERROR >> > [GncSqlBackend::execute_nonselect_statement()] SQL error: INSERT INTO >> > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 >> > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) >> > >> > I am not sure how to look for transactions via the guid_tx, but I >> > searched for 463.53. I was then shown a split transaction view of a >> > transaction that was put into the imbalance account. The description >> > was ?NULL? where the rectangle is in the attached. Some of my other >> > imbalance entries had this entry, some did not. So I removed them all >> > and now it writes. >> > >> > I don't believe I put these ?NULL?s in, I think gnucash did it so might >> > be something to look into. >> > >> > Not sure if you saw my other question ? can import securities (not the >> > security transactions) or can I only add them via the GUI? >> > >> > Many Thanks >> > >> > Sent from Mail >> for Windows >> > >> > *From: *Geoff >> >> > *Sent: *20 October 2021 04:29 >> > *To: *David Carlson >> >> > *Cc: *Public Address >>; >> > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> >> > *Subject: *Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error >> > >> > Good pickup David - Thunderbird dropped the attachment, but I can see it >> > via Gmail {:--( >> > >> > Not that it helps much PA, as John said, please check the trace file. >> > >> > Geoff >> > ===== >> > >> > On 20/10/2021 2:04 pm, David Carlson wrote: >> > > It is odd that PA's screenshot made it to my Gmail account in Windows OS >> > > when it did not get to Geoff's email client, or maybe it did but Geoff >> > > did not see it because for some reason there was an inline link as well >> > > as an attachment at the end. In either case I cannot comment on the >> > > sqlite issue as I have no experience with that. Did I see an email >> > > elsewhere suggesting that sometimes an incorrect version of some library >> > > program was incorrectly selected by the installation program? >> > > >> > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Geoff >> > > >>>> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Hi PA >> > > >> > > I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running >> > on the >> > > same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem. BUT I do >> > > not have Trading Accounts switched on. >> > > >> > > I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access >> > that file >> > > in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser. See attached screenshot. >> > > >> > > (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of >> > > pasting). >> > > >> > > Have you tried debugging: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging > >> > >> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > >> > > Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" >> > switch. In >> > > my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in >> > > ~\AppData\Local\Temp >> > > >> > > Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? >> > > >> > > Good luck. >> > > >> > > Regards >> > > >> > > Geoff >> > > ===== >> > > >> > > On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: >> > > > Hi - In xml format >> > > > >> > > > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. >> > > Plenty of room on disk. I have tried different drives, different >> > > filenames no luck. >> > > > >> > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Many thanks >> > > > >> > > > Windows 10 >> > > > GNU 4.8 >> > > > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) >> > > > Finance::Quote 1.49 >> > > > >> > > > Trading Accounts: on >> > > > >> > > > Sent from Mail> > > >> > >>>> for Windows >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > gnucash-user mailing list >> > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > >>> >> > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> > >> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > >> > >> >> > > >> > >>> for more information. >> > > > ----- >> > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > gnucash-user mailing list >> > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> > >>> >> > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >> > >> >> > > >> > >>> >> > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > >> > >> >> > > >> > >>> for more information. >> > > ----- >> > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > David Carlson >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From derek at ihtfp.com Fri Oct 22 21:58:53 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:58:53 -0400 Subject: [GNC] SpamAssassin?? In-Reply-To: References: <1d6cbae2dcae5c85c19834bc290e6cc2.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: <17caadf2438.27ea.ee0929d4f8247208f860e07266211506@ihtfp.com> Just expect to lose any formatting or embedded images. -derek Sent using my mobile device. Please excuse any typos. On October 22, 2021 9:19:09 PM David Carlson wrote: > Can I make a suggestion? > > Sometimes, when I want to post a rather complex statement to a text based > medium I will compose the statement in a higher level editor, possibly > Libre Office, then copy and paste into the destination. > > That should work where PDF's do not. > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 7:35 PM Derek Atkins wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, October 22, 2021 6:17 pm, m.x. keating wrote: >> When I attempt to send some questions contained in a .pdf attachment, I >> get nailed by SpamAssassin, so I am trying here without the attachment >> to see if that is the problem. > > Yes, that's the problem. > Don't send a PDF to the list. > Just ask your questions. > >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > -derek > > -- > Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 > derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com > Computer and Internet Security Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From cl at isbd.net Sat Oct 23 05:11:57 2021 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris Green) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:11:57 +0100 Subject: [GNC] SpamAssassin?? In-Reply-To: References: <1d6cbae2dcae5c85c19834bc290e6cc2.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 08:18:53PM -0500, David Carlson wrote: > Can I make a suggestion? > > Sometimes, when I want to post a rather complex statement to a text based > medium I will compose the statement in a higher level editor, possibly > Libre Office, then copy and paste into the destination. > To my mind Libre Office is almost the opposite of a "higher level editor"! :-) So use an editor that's *intended* for composing text and send that text to the list, as a text file. But you're right overall, use an editor of some sort (that you're familiar with) to compose your 'complex' message and then post it as text. Personally it's one of the reasons I use a text-mode E-Mail program as it allows me to use my favourite (and very familiar to me) programming text editor to compose my messages. -- Chris Green From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 10:36:51 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <385972072.905406.1634999811467.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <385972072.905406.1634999811467@mail.yahoo.com> I exported a data file from Gnucash Android App version 2.4.0 in QIF format. While importing this QIF file into Gnucash desktop version 2.6.19 or even in version 3.10, I get error saying "Share price: Unrecognized or inconsistent format.", The import process has to be aborted. The QIF data file is plain and simple accounts-file and does not contain any Share-Transaction whatsoever. What is the solution ? From mfeneis at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 13:23:36 2021 From: mfeneis at gmail.com (Greg Feneis) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:23:36 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <385972072.905406.1634999811467@mail.yahoo.com> References: <385972072.905406.1634999811467.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <385972072.905406.1634999811467@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As I understand, GnuCash for Android is no longer supported by its creator and is not supported by GnuCash desktop developers. It's a separate project that happens to have GnuCash in its title. My best recommendations include taking over and continuing development of GnuCash for Android. Or, try WINE for Android and see if you can run GnuCash desktop from within WINE. This may also take some work. Perhaps other GnuCash for Android users will be along and offer you more help with continuing to use GnuCash for Android as it is. Good luck! Kind regards, Greg Feneis On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 7:39 AM parag puranik via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > I exported a data file from Gnucash Android App version 2.4.0 in QIF > format. While importing this QIF file into Gnucash desktop version 2.6.19 > or even in version 3.10, I get error saying "Share price: Unrecognized or > inconsistent format.", The import process has to be aborted. The QIF data > file is plain and simple accounts-file and does not contain any > Share-Transaction whatsoever. What is the solution ? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From davidvernonlong at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 13:25:05 2021 From: davidvernonlong at gmail.com (davidvernonlong at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:25:05 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Processing a customer payment Message-ID: <036001d7c832$ee52c200$caf84600$@gmail.com> Hi, if a customer makes one payment to cover say two invoices, how do I process that in accounts receivable without having two cash receipts showing up on my checking account in GNUCASH whereas there should only be one? I can imagine various clumsy manual ways of doing it, but am thinking there must be a business process method I have not seen. Thanks David Long From mattia at mapreri.org Sat Oct 23 13:51:57 2021 From: mattia at mapreri.org (Mattia Rizzolo) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:51:57 +0200 Subject: [GNC] link bank statement to all reconciled transactions? Message-ID: Hi all, somehow my googling doesn't even suggest anybody ever asked this? Is there a way so that all reconciled transactions link to a document (say, the actual bank statement) while also linking to their own attached documents? It feels like this would be solved if a document was property of a split, but being a property of the whole transaction it means only one document per transaction right? Or perhaps a property of the "split:reconciled-state" element, but then it would be even more something attached to the split and not to the transaction I guess. This is even ignoring the fact that there doesn't seem a UI to link the same document to multiple transactions. How do people normally link their "official" bank statement to their books in gnucash? -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mxkeating at comcast.net Sat Oct 23 14:23:20 2021 From: mxkeating at comcast.net (m.x. keating) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:23:20 -0400 Subject: [GNC] elementary questions Message-ID: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> GnuCash User List ahoy: A thank you to Derek Atkins & to David Carlson for confirming my suspicion that attaching a .pdf caused the assassination of my previous message. I thought it possible that the .pdf would not survive, but didn?t expect the entire message to be rejected as if it had a bad address. As suggested, I do use LibreOffice when composing a message, because of the poor quality of the in-built text editor in Thunderbird. LO does not help with formatting, however, since all formatting but the most basic is lost when transferring into an email client like TB for transmission. So it?s not quite as simple as just asking the question whilst ignoring the lost formatting, at least not to this letterpress printer, who is used to having control of appearance, but I will append my original submission below, and will see how it fares. Among other defects in this process is the presumed loss of the italic sections, which are helpful to distinguish comments from questions, Also, I originally used some colour to highlight the problem in the manual section, and I daresay that will not survive either. LibreOffice?s user list has a procedure for handling .pdfs, screenshots, &c, by storing them in special places, outside the list, but I haven?t had occasion to do that for years. Does GnuCash have a similar ability, and, if so, where should one store the file? And in a similar vein, how does one sign up to this list, to see the regular flow of questions & answers, and to receive any replies to my questions that are not also sent to me independently? Now follows my original submission: As background, I should say that I once made a fair living building special hardware, and programming it (in assembly language), so I was not (at an earlier time) completely ignorant in computer matters. However, I have since aged beyond any ability to comprehend most of what now confronts me, hence some questions. I keep all my GnuCash files ? the various programme versions, auxiliaries, and their data files ? on 3 USB sticks. One is kept at a remote location, the other two where I now am, one of those 2 acting as a 2^nd backup. The main stick travels with me as I move from place to place, and the data gets occasionally copied to the then-local spare as backup. Whenever any of those sticks is in a USB port, I physically disconnect the associated computer from the modem and the outside world. Whether or not this provides any security is a good question. It seems to me that if any malfactor could get access to my machine(s), s/he could install a keystroke logger which would render all such security attempts null & void. I would be interested in any opinions on that topic, but my main problems of the moment lie elsewhere. I have had to move my operations to a new/old WIN10 machine, since my old WIN7 motherboard died. Since everything GnuCash is on the stick, this sort of change normally makes no difference, the programmes and data moving effortlessly from machine to machine. That has not been the case recently, but I might have to admit that my problems there might just have stemmed from drive-letter misidentification. I have18**scheduled monthly transaction set ups, and that is where the fun began. 2 of them went absolutely berserk. Both are deposits, with one amount being regular and pre-fixed, the other showing a dummy $9.99 that gets corrected with the actual figure each month as the real data comes in. The most-recent versions of both of these deposits were somehow auto-replicated by GnuCash for every month back to March of this year, right alongside the true values which had already been long-since entered and reconciled. Those 14 fake entries made for a very impressive apparent balance, but, unfortunately, that reflected no reality. It was also fortunate that each of them showed an ?N? in the ?R? column, so it was relatively easy to track them down and expunge them. All?s well for the nonce, but I would like to know what could possibly have happened here, if for no better reason than to avoid a repetition. I have not the faintest idea of what sort of operator error on my part could have created this imbroglio. I am not aware of any command that says, in effect, /?duplicate these two register entries for each of the preceding 7 months?. /The entries themselves go back a number of years, so ?7 months? seems utterly arbitrary. My other major GnuCash problem involves its data files. When originally set up, I had what I thought was good reason to split my accounts between 2 /*files*/. With the passage of time, that no longer makes any sense, and now proves inconvenient, so I would like to merge the two files into one. Doing so would save a lot of saving and switching. I am talking 2 /*files*/, not accounts, and have not yet found any way to merge them. I have gotten so far as to export the account list, and the associated data, as separate .csv files, but see no way to re-load them, whilst combining them into one file in the process. I have, at the moment, both 3.11 and 4.8 on hand. I understand that 3.11 is the latest version that can run properly on WIN7, so I have to keep 3.11 around, at least for awhile, whilst two of my machines are still on 7. That raises the question: if I use 4.8 where applicable, will the data files written from it be readable on the 3.11 version? Limited experimentation suggests that the answer is ?Yes?, but I?d like to be assured that there are no problems lying hidden if I count on this. /Some notes re: manuals. //It would help if you p//ut //the //applicable //version //o//n //the //title //page//, so it?s obvious. //It can always be found, but //now //takes a little digging./ /The e//pub //edition //has no page number//s//, //at least with the reader I am using. / /The//.pdf //edition //may //prove //not easy to copy from, //and may be immune to ?find? attacks, //so perhaps a .odt version //w//ould be useful./ /In case typos are of interest here, we find the following: / The Advanced... button brings up the Scheduled Transaction Editor?s dialog to Edit the Scheduled Transaction. This is described in the section Scheduled Transaction Editor. the section called ?Edit Scheduled Transaction Window?. This is on page 65/77 of the4.8 manual, and looks to be an edit stuck part-way thru. We come across frequent instances of the message: ?/Please insert a disk into drive Device\Harddisk6\DR6? / which must mean something to somebody, but the notion of putting a disc into a hard disc seems just ludicrous to the casual observer. I don?t know how to replicate this message on demand, but assume that any GnuCash adept will understand where it comes from, and why. T. R. Jackson mxkeating at comcast.net From cl at isbd.net Sat Oct 23 14:48:42 2021 From: cl at isbd.net (Chris Green) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 19:48:42 +0100 Subject: [GNC] elementary questions In-Reply-To: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> References: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 02:23:20PM -0400, m.x. keating wrote: > > As suggested, I do use LibreOffice when composing a message, because of the > poor quality of the in-built text editor in Thunderbird. LO does not help > with formatting, however, since all formatting but the most basic is lost > when transferring into an email client like TB for transmission. > E-Mail as used in mailing lists like this one is a text medium, it's only if you send non-text messages that any formatting like bold, italic, underline or whatever is available. Thus to get the best out of the mailing list you need to use what's available to emphasise or highlight things. E.g. the usual way to emphasise something is to surround it with *stars* or _underlines_. Using a word processor like Open Office to create your text will just mislead you into thinking you have created formatted text when you haven't. -- Chris Green From gfowler1 at outlook.com Sat Oct 23 16:58:46 2021 From: gfowler1 at outlook.com (Glenn Fowler) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 16:58:46 -0400 Subject: [GNC] elementary questions In-Reply-To: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> References: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi, You are obviously concerned about security/privacy with your procedure of disconnecting from your network. However, you mentioned you still have Windows 7 which no longer receives security updates and patches. It has been EOL for almost 2 years! Patching and updating is one of the first things you should be mindful of. Windows 10 is much more secure and Windows 11 even more so if you can meet the hardware requirements. On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 2:23 PM m.x. keating wrote: > GnuCash User List ahoy: > > A thank you to Derek Atkins & to David Carlson for confirming my > suspicion that attaching a .pdf caused the assassination of my previous > message. I thought it possible that the .pdf would not survive, but > didn?t expect the entire message to be rejected as if it had a bad address. > > As suggested, I do use LibreOffice when composing a message, because of > the poor quality of the in-built text editor in Thunderbird. LO does not > help with formatting, however, since all formatting but the most basic > is lost when transferring into an email client like TB for transmission. > > So it?s not quite as simple as just asking the question whilst ignoring > the lost formatting, at least not to this letterpress printer, who is > used to having control of appearance, but I will append my original > submission below, and will see how it fares. > > Among other defects in this process is the presumed loss of the italic > sections, which are helpful to distinguish comments from questions, > Also, I originally used some colour to highlight the problem in the > manual section, and I daresay that will not survive either. > > LibreOffice?s user list has a procedure for handling .pdfs, screenshots, > &c, by storing them in special places, outside the list, but I haven?t > had occasion to do that for years. Does GnuCash have a similar ability, > and, if so, where should one store the file? And in a similar vein, how > does one sign up to this list, to see the regular flow of questions & > answers, and to receive any replies to my questions that are not also > sent to me independently? > > Now follows my original submission: > > As background, I should say that I once made a fair living building > special hardware, and programming it (in assembly language), so I was > not (at an earlier time) completely ignorant in computer matters. > However, I have since aged beyond any ability to comprehend most of what > now confronts me, hence some questions. > > I keep all my GnuCash files ? the various programme versions, > auxiliaries, and their data files ? on 3 USB sticks. One is kept at a > remote location, the other two where I now am, one of those 2 acting as > a 2^nd backup. The main stick travels with me as I move from place to > place, and the data gets occasionally copied to the then-local spare as > backup. > > Whenever any of those sticks is in a USB port, I physically disconnect > the associated computer from the modem and the outside world. Whether or > not this provides any security is a good question. It seems to me that > if any malfactor could get access to my machine(s), s/he could install a > keystroke logger which would render all such security attempts null & void. > > I would be interested in any opinions on that topic, but my main > problems of the moment lie elsewhere. > > I have had to move my operations to a new/old WIN10 machine, since my > old WIN7 motherboard died. Since everything GnuCash is on the stick, > this sort of change normally makes no difference, the programmes and > data moving effortlessly from machine to machine. That has not been the > case recently, but I might have to admit that my problems there might > just have stemmed from drive-letter misidentification. > > I have18**scheduled monthly transaction set ups, and that is where the > fun began. 2 of them went absolutely berserk. Both are deposits, with > one amount being regular and pre-fixed, the other showing a dummy $9.99 > that gets corrected with the actual figure each month as the real data > comes in. > > The most-recent versions of both of these deposits were somehow > auto-replicated by GnuCash for every month back to March of this year, > right alongside the true values which had already been long-since > entered and reconciled. Those 14 fake entries made for a very impressive > apparent balance, but, unfortunately, that reflected no reality. > > It was also fortunate that each of them showed an ?N? in the ?R? column, > so it was relatively easy to track them down and expunge them. > > All?s well for the nonce, but I would like to know what could possibly > have happened here, if for no better reason than to avoid a repetition. > I have not the faintest idea of what sort of operator error on my part > could have created this imbroglio. I am not aware of any command that > says, in effect, /?duplicate these two register entries for each of the > preceding 7 months?. /The entries themselves go back a number of years, > so ?7 months? seems utterly arbitrary. > > My other major GnuCash problem involves its data files. When originally > set up, I had what I thought was good reason to split my accounts > between 2 /*files*/. With the passage of time, that no longer makes any > sense, and now proves inconvenient, so I would like to merge the two > files into one. Doing so would save a lot of saving and switching. > > I am talking 2 /*files*/, not accounts, and have not yet found any way > to merge them. > > I have gotten so far as to export the account list, and the associated > data, as separate .csv files, but see no way to re-load them, whilst > combining them into one file in the process. > > I have, at the moment, both 3.11 and 4.8 on hand. I understand that 3.11 > is the latest version that can run properly on WIN7, so I have to keep > 3.11 around, at least for awhile, whilst two of my machines are still on > 7. That raises the question: if I use 4.8 where applicable, will the > data files written from it be readable on the 3.11 version? Limited > experimentation suggests that the answer is ?Yes?, but I?d like to be > assured that there are no problems lying hidden if I count on this. > > /Some notes re: manuals. //It would help if you p//ut //the > //applicable //version //o//n //the //title //page//, so it?s > obvious. //It can always be found, but //now //takes a little digging./ > > /The e//pub //edition //has no page number//s//, //at least with the > reader I am using. / > > /The//.pdf //edition //may //prove //not easy to copy from, //and > may be immune to ?find? attacks, //so perhaps a .odt version > //w//ould be useful./ > > /In case typos are of interest here, we find the following: / > > The Advanced... button brings up the Scheduled Transaction Editor?s > dialog to Edit the Scheduled Transaction. This is described in the > section Scheduled Transaction Editor. the section called ?Edit > Scheduled Transaction Window?. > > This is on page 65/77 of the4.8 manual, and looks to be an edit > stuck part-way thru. > > We come across frequent instances of the message: > > ?/Please insert a disk into drive Device\Harddisk6\DR6? / > > which must mean something to somebody, but the notion of putting a disc > into a hard disc seems just ludicrous to the casual observer. I don?t > know how to replicate this message on demand, but assume that any > GnuCash adept will understand where it comes from, and why. > > > T. R. Jackson > > > mxkeating at comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 18:53:00 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:53:00 +1000 Subject: [GNC] link bank statement to all reconciled transactions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mattia A reconciliation deals with all the splits to a specifc account for a specified date range from any transactions to any other account. There is not a single entity transaction or split to associate a document with. At present AFAIK there is no way of associating the external statement document to a reconciliation such that you could open the statement from that association from within GnuCash. If this were to be done it would have to be a link in the account data structure and either a list of URIs to the documents, not just a single URI, or perhaps a URI to a directory in which the individual account statements are stored which would open a OS file open dialog. I store all my statements (and OFX downloads in their own directory) coded with their date range for a given account in a single directory. I rarely find myself having to go back to past reconciliations or OFX downloads, so personally this would not be a high priority for me. I would use it if available of course. The GnuCash data structures have a key-value pair feature that could allow attachemnt of a URI for reconciliation data to the account data structure fairly easily, however it is the coding to make this useful which takes the time. If you think that this is a useful addition you can raise a bug in the form of an enhancement request. It would then require one of the develpment team to take it up and implement it. Unless there is a high demand for the feature and availability of a developer with the requisite skills and understanding of the GnuCash code in that area, then it may take some time to reach the top of one of the developer's priorities. David cousens On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 19:51 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > Hi all, > > somehow my googling doesn't even suggest anybody ever asked this? > > Is there a way so that all reconciled transactions link to a document > (say, the actual bank statement) while also linking to their own > attached documents? > > It feels like this would be solved if a document was property of a > split, but being a property of the whole transaction it means only one > document per transaction right? > Or perhaps a property of the "split:reconciled-state" element, but then > it would be even more something attached to the split and not to the > transaction I guess. > > > This is even ignoring the fact that there doesn't seem a UI to link the > same document to multiple transactions. > > > How do people normally link their "official" bank statement to their > books in gnucash? > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 19:00:42 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 18:00:42 -0500 Subject: [GNC] link bank statement to all reconciled transactions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I happen to enter a transaction to some of my bank or credit card accounts each month to report the balance shown on the statement. I could assign a URL or filename to this transaction if desired. On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 5:54 PM wrote: > Mattia > > A reconciliation deals with all the splits to a specifc account for a > specified > date range from any transactions to any other account. There is not a > single > entity transaction or split to associate a document with. At present AFAIK > there > is no way of associating the external statement document to a > reconciliation > such that you could open the statement from that association from within > GnuCash. > > If this were to be done it would have to be a link in the account data > structure > and either a list of URIs to the documents, not just a single URI, or > perhaps a > URI to a directory in which the individual account statements are stored > which > would open a OS file open dialog. I store all my statements (and OFX > downloads > in their own directory) coded with their date range for a given account > in a > single directory. I rarely find myself having to go back to past > reconciliations > or OFX downloads, so personally this would not be a high priority for me. I > would use it if available of course. > > The GnuCash data structures have a key-value pair feature that could allow > attachemnt of a URI for reconciliation data to the account data structure > fairly > easily, however it is the coding to make this useful which takes the time. > > If you think that this is a useful addition you can raise a bug in the > form of > an enhancement request. It would then require one of the develpment team > to take > it up and implement it. Unless there is a high demand for the feature and > availability of a developer with the requisite skills and understanding of > the > GnuCash code in that area, then it may take some time to reach the top of > one of > the developer's priorities. > > David cousens > > On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 19:51 +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > somehow my googling doesn't even suggest anybody ever asked this? > > > > Is there a way so that all reconciled transactions link to a document > > (say, the actual bank statement) while also linking to their own > > attached documents? > > > > It feels like this would be solved if a document was property of a > > split, but being a property of the whole transaction it means only one > > document per transaction right? > > Or perhaps a property of the "split:reconciled-state" element, but then > > it would be even more something attached to the split and not to the > > transaction I guess. > > > > > > This is even ignoring the fact that there doesn't seem a UI to link the > > same document to multiple transactions. > > > > > > How do people normally link their "official" bank statement to their > > books in gnucash? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson From hellvee at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 19:08:48 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 09:08:48 +1000 Subject: [GNC] elementary questions In-Reply-To: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> References: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi T. R. Jackson, answering what I can for you inline :-) On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 04:25, m.x. keating wrote: > GnuCash User List ahoy: > > LibreOffice?s user list has a procedure for handling .pdfs, screenshots, > &c, by storing them in special places, outside the list, but I haven?t > had occasion to do that for years. Does GnuCash have a similar ability, > and, if so, where should one store the file? And in a similar vein, how > does one sign up to this list, to see the regular flow of questions & > answers, and to receive any replies to my questions that are not also > sent to me independently? > No, find somewhere on the web where you can post images (imgur?) and include a link in your email or just screenshot and attach to your email as a .jpg / .png - see attachment to this email... Subscription details are usually included at the bottom of Gnucash emails I.e.? To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > Now follows my original submission: > > > > Whenever any of those sticks is in a USB port, I physically disconnect > the associated computer from the modem and the outside world. Whether or > not this provides any security is a good question. It seems to me that > if any malfactor could get access to my machine(s), s/he could install a > keystroke logger which would render all such security attempts null & void. > To my mind this is a waste of time - if you have a virus it's already living on your pc regardless of whether you disconnect or not while you have a usb drive mounted :-) > I would be interested in any opinions on that topic, but my main > problems of the moment lie elsewhere. > > > > My other major GnuCash problem involves its data files. When originally > set up, I had what I thought was good reason to split my accounts > between 2 /*files*/. With the passage of time, that no longer makes any > sense, and now proves inconvenient, so I would like to merge the two > files into one. Doing so would save a lot of saving and switching. > > I am talking 2 /*files*/, not accounts, and have not yet found any way > to merge them. > > I have gotten so far as to export the account list, and the associated > data, as separate .csv files, but see no way to re-load them, whilst > combining them into one file in the process. > > Have you tried exporting a csv of transactions (File >> Export >> Export Transactions to CSV) from one file and importing (File >> Import >> Import Transactions from CSV) to the other ? On the Import Select "GnuCash Export Format" under Load and Save Settings - default is "No Settings" but you want to tell the import it's a Gnucash format export file so you don't have to select each header column. Also make sure you select the correct date format otherwise everything shows up as an error. Depending on how many txns you are loading you may have to do it in chunks ? I get a ?Too many root sets? error with a file containing about 1400 txns - just been trying it :-) This also exports and imports the splits for each txn. > I have, at the moment, both 3.11 and 4.8 on hand. I understand that 3.11 > is the latest version that can run properly on WIN7, so I have to keep > 3.11 around, at least for awhile, whilst two of my machines are still on > 7. I am currently running 4.8 on Win 7, Win 10, Linux and Mac OS with no discernible problems ? sharing the same data file between them all using FreeFileSync. > That raises the question: if I use 4.8 where applicable, will the > data files written from it be readable on the 3.11 version? Limited > experimentation suggests that the answer is ?Yes?, but I?d like to be > assured that there are no problems lying hidden if I count on this. > > Cheers David H. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot - Too many root sets.png Type: image/png Size: 63006 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rvklassen at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 20:05:05 2021 From: rvklassen at gmail.com (R. Victor Klassen) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 20:05:05 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Processing a customer payment In-Reply-To: <036001d7c832$ee52c200$caf84600$@gmail.com> References: <036001d7c832$ee52c200$caf84600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Assuming you have created the invoices using the ?Business Features?, you go to Business->Customer->Process Payment, select the customer, and select both invoices. If they paid by a means that has a transaction number (check, credit card transaction?) put that in the number field. Select your checking account for where it goes, and you will have one transaction, with a split with three parts: one for the destination account, and two for Accounts Receivable. > On Oct 23, 2021, at 1:25 PM, davidvernonlong at gmail.com wrote: > > Hi, if a customer makes one payment to cover say two invoices, how do I > process that in accounts receivable without having two cash receipts showing > up on my checking account in GNUCASH whereas there should only be one? I can > imagine various clumsy manual ways of doing it, but am thinking there must > be a business process method I have not seen. > > > > Thanks > > > > David Long > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From edodd at billiau.net Sat Oct 23 21:41:47 2021 From: edodd at billiau.net (Liz Dodd) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 12:41:47 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <385972072.905406.1634999811467@mail.yahoo.com> References: <385972072.905406.1634999811467.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <385972072.905406.1634999811467@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20211024124147.15677c20@zenpower.billiau.net> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 14:36:51 +0000 (UTC) parag puranik via gnucash-user wrote: > I exported a data file from Gnucash Android App version 2.4.0 in QIF > format. While importing this QIF file into Gnucash desktop version > 2.6.19 or even in version 3.10, I get error saying "Share price: > Unrecognized or inconsistent format.", The import process has to be > aborted. The QIF data file is plain and simple accounts-file and does > not contain any Share-Transaction whatsoever. What is the solution ? > _______________________________________________ A QIF file contains human readable text. I suggest opening it in a text editor and having a good look at the file. If you start editing, save a backup first ! Liz From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 22:41:36 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 02:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <1091033966.1006903.1635043296852.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1091033966.1006903.1635043296852@mail.yahoo.com> Hi GregThe issue in certainly not about compatibility between android and desktop versions, but about a particular? error in one particular file. I have successfully imported other QIF files.My question is regarding the significance of that particular error message and how to get around or work through to import that particular file in desktop. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sat Oct 23 22:55:28 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 02:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <361965750.1010652.1635044128560.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <361965750.1010652.1635044128560@mail.yahoo.com> I want to know why the error message arises and further how to import such a file in desktop.The data in the file can very well be read in Excel file. But I want to get that data into Desktop Gnucash directly (not by manually entering each transaction again in Desktop version). Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 00:10:21 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 23:10:21 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <361965750.1010652.1635044128560@mail.yahoo.com> References: <361965750.1010652.1635044128560.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <361965750.1010652.1635044128560@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought someone suggested that there might be only one or a few transactions at fault that might be fixable in a text editor. On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 9:56 PM parag puranik via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > I want to know why the error message arises and further how to import such > a file in desktop.The data in the file can very well be read in Excel file. > But I want to get that data into Desktop Gnucash directly (not by manually > entering each transaction again in Desktop version). > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Sun Oct 24 00:28:30 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 00:28:30 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file Message-ID: <000b01d7c88f$99eb9270$cdc2b750$@usa.net> Parag - You will have to find the offending faulty transaction and correct it manually after understanding why it is failing. Learning the format of QIF file is not that difficult (plenty of sources to be had by Google'ing for it, including a Wikipedia) and the file can be viewed in any good old plain text viewer as it is in plain text. When I migrated data over from Quicken into GNC, I had to go through this process to correct number of transactions that were not importable by GNC. I had started by dividing the file into two halves and then importing each halves to see which one was failing. Then slice the failing one again into two halves until you find the transaction that is at fault and correcting it in the original file. This will need to be done for all transactions that are not importing properly and failing. You don't have to fully go through all the steps to import the file; just need to get to the point in the process where it can tell you whether that half failed or not, then rinse-and-repeat until the faulty transaction is found. General disclaimer - I have NOT heard about Gnucash Android App beforehand nor have I have ever used it. I am strictly opining from the perspective of attempting to export/import QIF formatted file from one program into another, specifically into GNC. Hope this helps. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:23:36 -0700 From: Greg Feneis To: "gnucash-user at gnucash.org" Subject: Re: [GNC] Error importing QIF file Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As I understand, GnuCash for Android is no longer supported by its creator and is not supported by GnuCash desktop developers. It's a separate project that happens to have GnuCash in its title. My best recommendations include taking over and continuing development of GnuCash for Android. Or, try WINE for Android and see if you can run GnuCash desktop from within WINE. This may also take some work. Perhaps other GnuCash for Android users will be along and offer you more help with continuing to use GnuCash for Android as it is. Good luck! Kind regards, Greg Feneis On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 7:39 AM parag puranik via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > I exported a data file from Gnucash Android App version 2.4.0 in QIF > format. While importing this QIF file into Gnucash desktop version > 2.6.19 or even in version 3.10, I get error saying "Share price: > Unrecognized or inconsistent format.", The import process has to be > aborted. The QIF data file is plain and simple accounts-file and does > not contain any Share-Transaction whatsoever. What is the solution ? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ------------------------------ From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 00:28:36 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 04:28:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <1318771119.1013091.1635049716132.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1318771119.1013091.1635049716132@mail.yahoo.com> David, in that case how do I identify which transactions are at fault ? Secondly, how to fix them ?? Thirdly, how to create new repaired QIF file from it ? Instead, it would be better if someone from Gnucash team/users explain why the Error message arises in the first place. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 00:40:28 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 23:40:28 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <1318771119.1013091.1635049716132@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1318771119.1013091.1635049716132.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1318771119.1013091.1635049716132@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Parag, Back in the day when I last tried the Android app, I found that it too often choked on an import or export or created an un-importable file or transaction error in the file. As others have suggested here, we are not magicians. You need to dig through the file yourself to find the problem or post part of it here so others can see it, which is not really recommended for privacy reasons. On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 11:31 PM parag puranik via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > David, in that case how do I identify which transactions are at fault ? > Secondly, how to fix them ? Thirdly, how to create new repaired QIF file > from it ? Instead, it would be better if someone from Gnucash team/users > explain why the Error message arises in the first place. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 00:42:32 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 04:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <1412097512.1023933.1635050552336.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1412097512.1023933.1635050552336@mail.yahoo.com> Kalpesh, Gnucash (android version) is a companion app to its desktop version with limited functionality as to data entry on-the-go. Its an excellent and stable app. Its first time I faced this kind of error. GNUCASH Developers team should be in a position to explain it since the error message is a pre-defined phrase.Secondly, how to identify faulty transaction in text ? Further, can this faulty QIF file be read in SQLITE3 database through any conversion ? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 00:46:50 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:46:50 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <361965750.1010652.1635044128560@mail.yahoo.com> References: <361965750.1010652.1635044128560.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <361965750.1010652.1635044128560@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The best chance of locating the source of an import error in a file exported from Android is to compare its file format with what is known of the QIF format and look for some deviations from this. Unfortunately QIF is a proprietary format although Intuit did make some information publicly available http://www.intuit.com/quicken/technical-support/quicken/old-faqs/dosfaqs/60006.html . and w3.org has a QIF format summary https://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/qif-doc/QIF-doc.htm. If your file has no investment related transactions then it would seem likely that another transaction is being interpreted by the importer as a share transaction because of an error in its format. David Cousens On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 02:55 +0000, parag puranik via gnucash-user wrote: > I want to know why the error message arises and further how to import such a > file in desktop.The data in the file can very well be read in Excel file. But > I want to get that data into Desktop Gnucash directly (not by manually > entering each transaction again in Desktop version). > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 01:01:10 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 05:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <744132625.1028622.1635051670523.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <744132625.1028622.1635051670523@mail.yahoo.com> David thanks for the hint to compare the file with standard QIF format. The app has no provision for entering any share transaction. It is only a robust double-entry book-keeping app -(plain and simple) - running on Sqlite3 at the backend, ensuring excellent data integrity. Hence I do not quit understand as to how the desktop version interprets it wrongly and generates error message at all ! Can u please refer this problem to 'appropriate' experts on sqlite DBMS ? (since I am new to Gnucash mailing lists, having subscribed less than 24 hours back). Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From public.address at hotmail.co.uk Fri Oct 22 08:52:18 2021 From: public.address at hotmail.co.uk (Public Address) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:52:18 +0000 Subject: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, interesting that deleting the ?NULL? text and leaving it empty allowed it to go through. ?but direct database manipulation may void your GnuCash warranty.? I was thinking about direct upload to the postgres table (creating my own guid and checking for duplication) but that doesn?t sound like a good idea? Sent from Mail for Windows From: Geoff Sent: 20 October 2021 11:15 To: Public Address; David Carlson Cc: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error That would do it - the schema prohibits NULLs. I don't believe it is possible to import securities, it is not an option on the Import menu. Depending how many you have, you could consider:- Learning to script AutoHotKey - https://www.autohotkey.com/ - which is excellent for automating Windows applications. Or (big stretch) have a look at PieCash - the securities table is called "commodities" - https://github.com/sdementen/piecash/blob/master/piecash/core/commodity.py - but direct database manipulation may void your GnuCash warranty. I reckon you will probably find it quicker to type them in yourself - you can import price data from CSV once the securities themselves are set up. Hope this helps. Regards Geoff ===== On 20/10/2021 7:25 pm, Public Address wrote: > Thank you all. Someone last night pointed me to the trace file. I > tried to save as sqlite3, failed then closed down. The last lines are > as follows: > > * 17:59:21 ERROR gboolean qof_book_is_readonly(const > QofBook*): assertion 'book != NULL' failed > * 17:59:26 ERROR [error_handler()] DBI error: 19: NOT > NULL constraint failed: splits.memo > * 17:59:26 ERROR > [GncDbiSqlConnection::execute_nonselect_statement()] Error executing SQL > INSERT INTO > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) > * 17:59:26 ERROR > [GncSqlBackend::execute_nonselect_statement()] SQL error: INSERT INTO > splits(guid,tx_guid,account_guid,memo,action,reconcile_state,reconcile_date,value_num,value_denom,quantity_num,quantity_denom) > VALUES('[xxx]','[xxy]','[xxz]',NULL,'','c','2021-01-24 > 17:57:12',46353,100,46353,100) > > I am not sure how to look for transactions via the guid_tx, but I > searched for 463.53. I was then shown a split transaction view of a > transaction that was put into the imbalance account. The description > was ?NULL? where the rectangle is in the attached. Some of my other > imbalance entries had this entry, some did not. So I removed them all > and now it writes. > > I don't believe I put these ?NULL?s in, I think gnucash did it so might > be something to look into. > > Not sure if you saw my other question ? can import securities (not the > security transactions) or can I only add them via the GUI? > > Many Thanks > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > *From: *Geoff > *Sent: *20 October 2021 04:29 > *To: *David Carlson > *Cc: *Public Address ; > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > *Subject: *Re: [GNC] save as sqlite3 error > > Good pickup David - Thunderbird dropped the attachment, but I can see it > via Gmail {:--( > > Not that it helps much PA, as John said, please check the trace file. > > Geoff > ===== > > On 20/10/2021 2:04 pm, David Carlson wrote: > > It is odd that PA's screenshot made it to my Gmail account in Windows OS > > when it did not get to Geoff's email client, or maybe it did but Geoff > > did not see it because for some reason there was an inline link as well > > as an attachment at the end. In either case I cannot comment on the > > sqlite issue as I have no experience with that. Did I see an email > > elsewhere suggesting that sometimes an incorrect version of some library > > program was incorrectly selected by the installation program? > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:16 PM Geoff > >> > wrote: > > > > Hi PA > > > > I can't help you with this error except to say that I am running > on the > > same build on Windows 10 and cannot reproduce your problem. BUT I do > > not have Trading Accounts switched on. > > > > I successfully saved a 35MB XML file to SQLite and can access > that file > > in both GnuCash and the SQLite DB Browser. See attached screenshot. > > > > (Your screenshot didn't come through - try attaching instead of > > pasting). > > > > Have you tried debugging: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging > > > > > > > > Start gnucash.exe from the command line with the "--debug" > switch. In > > my case, the log files are called gnucash.traceXXXXXX.log in > > ~\AppData\Local\Temp > > > > Being Windows, perhaps a reboot may help? > > > > Good luck. > > > > Regards > > > > Geoff > > ===== > > > > On 19/10/2021 6:27 pm, Public Address wrote: > > > Hi - In xml format > > > > > > Trying to save as sqlite3 getting error when file gets to 213kb. > > Plenty of room on disk. I have tried different drives, different > > filenames no luck. > > > > > > [cid:image001.png at 01D7C4C2.F1FEDBF0] > > > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Windows 10 > > > GNU 4.8 > > > Build ID 4.8a+ (2021-09-28) > > > Finance::Quote 1.49 > > > > > > Trading Accounts: on > > > > > > Sent from Mail > >> for Windows > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > > > for more information. > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists > > > > for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > > > > -- > > David Carlson > From hellvee at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 02:33:40 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 16:33:40 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <385972072.905406.1634999811467@mail.yahoo.com> References: <385972072.905406.1634999811467.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <385972072.905406.1634999811467@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I seem to recall that the importer underwent significant improvements in version 4.x as it was somewhat lacking prior to that? I would suggest updating to the latest version of Gnucash if at all possible. It looks like 2.6.19 was released Feb 2018 and 3.10 in April 2020 and a lot of development work has occurred since then. Also the OS you are using may be relevant so mention that and the format are you saving your Gnucash file in - XML / SQL ? Should be a log file/trace file somewhere with more details in it I would have thought - location may be OS dependent hence the previous comment. Start by checking the folder where your GnuCash data file is located - look for files named similar to the following with the date and time as part of the file name - .gnucash.20210926082017.log - these can be opened with a text editor and checked. See if there's anything meaningful in the latest log file / trace file for when the import failed. Assuming Win 10 trace files should be in the C:\Users\\AppData\Local\Temp folder - e.g. gnucash.trace.7XB4V1.log and are more likely to have something meaningful in them. Also check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ and https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile Cheers David H. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 00:38, parag puranik via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > I exported a data file from Gnucash Android App version 2.4.0 in QIF > format. While importing this QIF file into Gnucash desktop version 2.6.19 > or even in version 3.10, I get error saying "Share price: Unrecognized or > inconsistent format.", The import process has to be aborted. The QIF data > file is plain and simple accounts-file and does not contain any > Share-Transaction whatsoever. What is the solution ? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 04:42:28 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 08:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. From Fred at mandfb.me.uk Sun Oct 24 06:11:58 2021 From: Fred at mandfb.me.uk (Fred Bone) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 11:11:58 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <744132625.1028622.1635051670523@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744132625.1028622.1635051670523.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <744132625.1028622.1635051670523@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6175316E.30922.7ED0978@Fred.mandfb.me.uk> On 24 October 2021 at 5:01, parag puranik said: > David thanks for the hint to compare the file with standard QIF format. > The app has no provision for entering any share transaction. It is only a > robust double-entry book-keeping app -(plain and simple) - running on > Sqlite3 at the backend, ensuring excellent data integrity. Hence I do not > quit understand as to how the desktop version interprets it wrongly and > generates error message at all ! Can u please refer this problem to > 'appropriate' experts on sqlite DBMS ? 1. This is obviously nothing to do with sqlite. 2. As several people have already pointed out, you need to find the entry in the QIF that is causing the problem. 3. Kalpesh Patel has kindly explained how to identify the relevant entry by repeated halving of the file. Once you have identified the problem entry, if you copy it to an email (to this list) someone *may* be prepared to explain why it is causing a problem. From hellvee at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 06:48:31 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:48:31 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi parag puranik, I was actually referring to the Gnucash trace file on your Win10 desktop as that is where you had the error and not on your Android device :-) Also I did see an error report on Ngewi Fet's codinguser website to the effect that when you export qif from the android app it actually creates a compressed .zip file even though it has a .qif suffix - https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/889. You are probably aware of this if you've used this process previously however. Cheers David H. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:43, parag puranik via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so > and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- > After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory > reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That > original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 09:39:12 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <145060783.1058776.1635082752674.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <145060783.1058776.1635082752674@mail.yahoo.com> Fred,Repeatedly halving the file is cumbersome process. I would, instead,? first like to interpret and focus on the error message generated by Gnucash desktop. What kind of fault leads to that message ??(When I exported from Android app, the phone was working fine and stable, no abrupt shutdown.)Alternatively, can that QIF file be converted to XML file ? Gnucash desktop then can directly open the xml file without going through the Import process/procedure. From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 11:37:32 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:37:32 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <145060783.1058776.1635082752674@mail.yahoo.com> References: <145060783.1058776.1635082752674.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <145060783.1058776.1635082752674@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Parag, If you were willing to do your own troubleshooting you would have already solved your problem and you would be in business. Asking others to speculate about what might be wrong about your data without showing the data is like asking people to tell you what password to use to unlock your file. If others knew what that error message meant, they would have told you. The message basically says that you have bad data but it does't tell you which transaction is the culprit, so you would need to use the divide and conquer method anyway. On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:40 AM parag puranik via gnucash-user < gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > Fred,Repeatedly halving the file is cumbersome process. I would, instead, > first like to interpret and focus on the error message generated by Gnucash > desktop. What kind of fault leads to that message ? (When I exported from > Android app, the phone was working fine and stable, no abrupt > shutdown.)Alternatively, can that QIF file be converted to XML file ? > Gnucash desktop then can directly open the xml file without going through > the Import process/procedure. > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Sun Oct 24 13:19:21 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file References: <384139489.1092075.1635095961260.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <384139489.1092075.1635095961260@mail.yahoo.com> Okay, I'll try to find out the fault by myself. Thanks a lot for your continued support David. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From Fred at mandfb.me.uk Sun Oct 24 15:44:33 2021 From: Fred at mandfb.me.uk (Fred Bone) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 20:44:33 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <145060783.1058776.1635082752674@mail.yahoo.com> References: <145060783.1058776.1635082752674.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <145060783.1058776.1635082752674@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6175B7A1.6667.9F957C3@Fred.mandfb.me.uk> On 24 October 2021 at 13:39, parag puranik said: > Fred,Repeatedly halving the file is cumbersome process. Indeed. If it takes as much as five minutes per trial, and you have 1000 entries in your file, you could expect to take rather less than an hour. So by now you could easily have identified the problem entry and shown it to us for further diagnosis. From davidcousens49 at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 16:37:03 2021 From: davidcousens49 at gmail.com (davidcousens49 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 06:37:03 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <744132625.1028622.1635051670523@mail.yahoo.com> References: <744132625.1028622.1635051670523.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <744132625.1028622.1635051670523@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <720e1a5729457c3ee28d509fdd5f7325f7444d61.camel@gmail.com> Parag, The QIF importer component of GnuCash has been in place for a long time (well over 10 years to my knowledge and there have been few changes to the code base for it in that time). It has been used to import data from Quicken over that time so it is less likely for there to be a problem in teh importer code rather than in the export code for the Android app. The Android app was not developed and is not supported by the main GnuCash community and was developed by an external party who no longer is able to support it. AFAIK it is written in JAVA not C,C++,and Scheme like the GnuCash desktop app is so there is little direct code compatibility and very few people, if any, with any knowledge of its operation who could possibly provide any support for it. GnuCash is supported totally by a volunteer development team which means resources are normally very stretched. You may be able to get more information relating to the source of the problem by running the desktop version in debugging mode while doing the importing. ( https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging), https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows_Debugging, https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Tracefile. The hard part will be identifying which specific records are causing the problem. I know nothing of the Android app capability but if you are able to create separate exports for single accounts and import them separately, it may help in isolating the problem area. If you are able to identify and give us examples of the records causing the import problem and they are correctly formatted QIF, then we can look at whether the importer code is a problem. Without that there is not enough information to begin looking for a problem in the importer code and no evidence that it is even an importer code problem. On Sun, 2021-10-24 at 05:01 +0000, parag puranik via gnucash-user wrote: > David thanks for the hint to compare the file with standard QIF format. The > app has no provision for entering any share transaction. It is only a robust > double-entry book-keeping app -(plain and simple) - running on Sqlite3 at the > backend, ensuring excellent data integrity. Hence I do not quit understand as > to how the desktop version interprets it wrongly and generates error message > at all ! Can u please refer this problem to 'appropriate' experts on sqlite > DBMS ? (since I am new to Gnucash mailing lists, having subscribed less than > 24 hours back). > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From robinraymn at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 17:24:01 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 16:24:01 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Decimal Precision Entering Mutual Fund Transactions Message-ID: Hi all- SETUP: Version 4.8 (plus the commit to fix Bug 798327) OS: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS SCENARIO: My wife recently started a new job where the 401k provider maintains the mutual fund positions at nine decimal places (and the price is two decimal places precision). I set up the security with the fraction traded set to 1*10^9, I set up the account's fraction traded to 'Use Commodity Value' When entering a transaction into the register directly with the full nine decimal places, GnuCash cuts off the last digit and appears to only save up to the 8th significant digit thus introducing a small (but annoying) position difference between my books and the recordkeeper. However, if I import the transactions from the OFX file downloaded from the recordkeeper's website, the full nine digits are imported and displayed in the register. Another related item is that the share amount displayed changes from 9 digits to 8 digits back to 9 when moving between transactions. For example, a transaction with 4.008105604 shares shows 4.0081056 as long as that transaction has the focus. The workaround for now appears to only import transactions from the OFX file, which is fine but it does seem weird to have this inconsistent experience. I glanced through Register-related bugs but I didn't see anything that jumped out at me as an open existing bug that would explain this behavior. (I'll concede that my search may have been lacking because previous discussion on this list related to precision and integer math have gone over my head) From jralls at ceridwen.us Sun Oct 24 17:47:13 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (John Ralls) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:47:13 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Decimal Precision Entering Mutual Fund Transactions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77134240-C39C-45C7-B32E-CDE0EC8FDA36@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 24, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote: > > Hi all- > > SETUP: > Version 4.8 (plus the commit to fix Bug 798327) > OS: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS > > SCENARIO: > My wife recently started a new job where the 401k provider maintains the > mutual fund positions at nine decimal places (and the price is two decimal > places precision). I set up the security with the fraction traded set to > 1*10^9, I set up the account's fraction traded to 'Use Commodity Value' > > When entering a transaction into the register directly with the full nine > decimal places, GnuCash cuts off the last digit and appears to only save up > to the 8th significant digit thus introducing a small (but annoying) > position difference between my books and the recordkeeper. > > However, if I import the transactions from the OFX file downloaded from the > recordkeeper's website, the full nine digits are imported and displayed in > the register. > > Another related item is that the share amount displayed changes from 9 > digits to 8 digits back to 9 when moving between transactions. For example, > a transaction with 4.008105604 shares shows 4.0081056 as long as that > transaction has the focus. > > The workaround for now appears to only import transactions from the OFX > file, which is fine but it does seem weird to have this inconsistent > experience. > > I glanced through Register-related bugs but I didn't see anything that > jumped out at me as an open existing bug that would explain this behavior. > (I'll concede that my search may have been lacking because previous > discussion on this list related to precision and integer math have gone > over my head) I can replicate that. The truncation happens when one tabs out of the field, suggesting an off-by-one clamp the register somewhere. Regards, John Ralls From robinraymn at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 18:05:29 2021 From: robinraymn at gmail.com (Robin Chattopadhyay) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:05:29 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Decimal Precision Entering Mutual Fund Transactions In-Reply-To: <77134240-C39C-45C7-B32E-CDE0EC8FDA36@ceridwen.us> References: <77134240-C39C-45C7-B32E-CDE0EC8FDA36@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: I have created Bug #798352 https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798352 Thanks, Robin On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 4:47 PM John Ralls wrote: > > > > On Oct 24, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Robin Chattopadhyay > wrote: > > > > Hi all- > > > > SETUP: > > Version 4.8 (plus the commit to fix Bug 798327) > > OS: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS > > > > SCENARIO: > > My wife recently started a new job where the 401k provider maintains the > > mutual fund positions at nine decimal places (and the price is two > decimal > > places precision). I set up the security with the fraction traded set to > > 1*10^9, I set up the account's fraction traded to 'Use Commodity Value' > > > > When entering a transaction into the register directly with the full nine > > decimal places, GnuCash cuts off the last digit and appears to only save > up > > to the 8th significant digit thus introducing a small (but annoying) > > position difference between my books and the recordkeeper. > > > > However, if I import the transactions from the OFX file downloaded from > the > > recordkeeper's website, the full nine digits are imported and displayed > in > > the register. > > > > Another related item is that the share amount displayed changes from 9 > > digits to 8 digits back to 9 when moving between transactions. For > example, > > a transaction with 4.008105604 shares shows 4.0081056 as long as that > > transaction has the focus. > > > > The workaround for now appears to only import transactions from the OFX > > file, which is fine but it does seem weird to have this inconsistent > > experience. > > > > I glanced through Register-related bugs but I didn't see anything that > > jumped out at me as an open existing bug that would explain this > behavior. > > (I'll concede that my search may have been lacking because previous > > discussion on this list related to precision and integer math have gone > > over my head) > > I can replicate that. The truncation happens when one tabs out of the > field, suggesting an off-by-one clamp the register somewhere. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > From hellvee at gmail.com Sun Oct 24 23:48:50 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 13:48:50 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <1589081916.1052327.1635081847973@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> <1589081916.1052327.1635081847973@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello again parag puranik, Please use reply-all to keep the discussion on the mailing list so everyone is across everything. I'm not a Gnucash developer or familiar with the importers as I never use them and others that use them often can probably offer more relevant suggestions :-) See my responses/suggestions highlighted in yellow below. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 23:24, parag puranik wrote: > I tried creating a new file in App, exported it in QIF format and > successfully imported the same in Gnucash Desktop. Everything is fine in > case of a fresh file export+import procedure. > OK so it seems to definitely be an issue with your data then. How many records are in your file anyway, I can't imagine it's in the hundreds if you're using the android app to enter them? Personally I would do the binary splits of the file as already suggested making sure you don?t split a transaction in the middle. This shouldn't take too long. I think I read somewhere years ago that you only need a maximum of 7 splits to find a target when using a binary search so this should be similar. My simplistic figures suggest a 200 record file would require up to 9 splits in the worst case. So a maximum of split file / import part file ? say a couple of minutes each x 9 = about 18 - 20 minutes should be enough to identify the record causing the problem and you may be able to sort it out yourself once you've identified the problem record - you would have had your answer by now :-) Check out: Gnucash QIF format document - https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt and Gnucash QIF Import code file - https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-file.scm I could be totally wrong but the error message seems come from line 974 in the previous bit of code ? according to the comment at line 921 it seems to be checking for valid date formats (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and also that amount fields are decimal (999.99) or comma format (999,99):- My problem is only with my earlier file which I exported, but could not > import in Desktop due to the Error message. I want to know the basis of the > generation of that error message and get help in importing that file in > desktop. > I'm sure you do but you have to remember that this is a volunteer project / development team who probably have other priorities and will take time to get to your problem. Gnucash is a huge project with code in multiple languages going back 20+ years and developers come and go so it would take time to familiarise themselves with the code and work through it to document it and give you a list of conditions as to exactly why a particular error message is displayed.Their first response is likely to be to tell you to check whether it?s an existing bug and if not to lodge a bug report at Gnucash Bugzilla (https://bugs.gnucash.org). They're also likely to want to see your file as sometimes a quick scan through a file can identify the issue. You've already had other suggestions re splitting your file and importing in parts to identify the problem and this is probably the fastest and most logical approach right now. I suspect you have one or more hidden special characters in your file which is causing a record to be split mid record and a misalignment in your file hence the ?Share Price? text in the error message. Seems the android app has had some of these in the past where users have done a copy and paste into a transaction on android. These won?t be obvious in Notepad or Wordpad as they don't display special characters so download either the Textpad (https://www.textpad.com/download) or Notepad++ ( https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/) text editor and use one of these to inspect your file. You can turn on the display of special characters in these editors ? in Textpad click the icon to the left of the globe ? looks like a reverse ?P? and in Notepad++ it?s the same icon. I could not locate any trace file in Win10. > I don't think the App compresses the file before exporting because when I > open the QIF file in Text Editor-Windows Notepad, it opens successfully. > The text editor surely doesn't decompress file before opening. > No it won?t usually uncompress a file automatically ? I was just going by the bug report I read on the android app website so obviously irrelevant to your issue. > I just want the members / Gnucash Team to focus on the generated error > message I posted in my first post and let me know in what circumstances > this message gets generated and how to repair the QIF file so that I can > import it into Desktop Gnucash. > If you don't want to split your file and import partial files I would suggest you do the following for starters:- Read the file-format.txt text file mentioned above if you are unfamiliar with the qif file format. Check that each record begins on a new line and that each record has a CR LF (easier to see in Notepad++) at the end of the record and not somewhere in the middle thus splitting it mid-record. Check Date fields for valid date format (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and valid date, check amount fields for valid format amounts. If you can identify the problem record, maybe there's more than one, and you can't see why it would cause a problem then paste it into a message and post it here so the experts can eyeball it and suggest a solution. Cheers David H. > On Sunday, 24 October, 2021, 04:18:44 pm IST, David H > wrote: > > > Hi parag puranik, > > I was actually referring to the Gnucash trace file on your Win10 desktop > as that is where you had the error and not on your Android device :-) Also > I did see an error report on Ngewi Fet's codinguser website to the effect > that when you export qif from the android app it actually creates a > compressed .zip file even though it has a .qif suffix - > https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/889. You are > probably aware of this if you've used this process previously however. > > Cheers David H. > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:43, parag puranik via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > > Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so > and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- > After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory > reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That > original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > From will at theprescotts.com Mon Oct 25 00:36:44 2021 From: will at theprescotts.com (William Prescott) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 23:36:44 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> <1589081916.1052327.1635081847973@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: File length Number of splits to find a single record. 2 1 4 2 8 3 16 4 32 5 64 6 128 7 256 8 512 9 1024 10 etc And in case it wasn't clear earlier in this conversation, the idea is you make a copy of the problem file, delete the first half of the records, see if the problem goes away, if not delete the second half and confirm that it is in the second half. Then you take the half containing the problem, and repeat the process until you have it down to a single record that produces the problem. If there are an odd number of records at any step, don't worry about it that the two halves are not exactly equal. Will On 2021 Oct 24, at 10-24 22:48:50, David H wrote: Hello again parag puranik, Please use reply-all to keep the discussion on the mailing list so everyone is across everything. I'm not a Gnucash developer or familiar with the importers as I never use them and others that use them often can probably offer more relevant suggestions :-) See my responses/suggestions highlighted in yellow below. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 23:24, parag puranik wrote: > I tried creating a new file in App, exported it in QIF format and > successfully imported the same in Gnucash Desktop. Everything is fine in > case of a fresh file export+import procedure. > OK so it seems to definitely be an issue with your data then. How many records are in your file anyway, I can't imagine it's in the hundreds if you're using the android app to enter them? Personally I would do the binary splits of the file as already suggested making sure you don?t split a transaction in the middle. This shouldn't take too long. I think I read somewhere years ago that you only need a maximum of 7 splits to find a target when using a binary search so this should be similar. My simplistic figures suggest a 200 record file would require up to 9 splits in the worst case. So a maximum of split file / import part file ? say a couple of minutes each x 9 = about 18 - 20 minutes should be enough to identify the record causing the problem and you may be able to sort it out yourself once you've identified the problem record - you would have had your answer by now :-) Check out: Gnucash QIF format document - https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt and Gnucash QIF Import code file - https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-file.scm I could be totally wrong but the error message seems come from line 974 in the previous bit of code ? according to the comment at line 921 it seems to be checking for valid date formats (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and also that amount fields are decimal (999.99) or comma format (999,99):- My problem is only with my earlier file which I exported, but could not > import in Desktop due to the Error message. I want to know the basis of the > generation of that error message and get help in importing that file in > desktop. > I'm sure you do but you have to remember that this is a volunteer project / development team who probably have other priorities and will take time to get to your problem. Gnucash is a huge project with code in multiple languages going back 20+ years and developers come and go so it would take time to familiarise themselves with the code and work through it to document it and give you a list of conditions as to exactly why a particular error message is displayed.Their first response is likely to be to tell you to check whether it?s an existing bug and if not to lodge a bug report at Gnucash Bugzilla (https://bugs.gnucash.org). They're also likely to want to see your file as sometimes a quick scan through a file can identify the issue. You've already had other suggestions re splitting your file and importing in parts to identify the problem and this is probably the fastest and most logical approach right now. I suspect you have one or more hidden special characters in your file which is causing a record to be split mid record and a misalignment in your file hence the ?Share Price? text in the error message. Seems the android app has had some of these in the past where users have done a copy and paste into a transaction on android. These won?t be obvious in Notepad or Wordpad as they don't display special characters so download either the Textpad (https://www.textpad.com/download) or Notepad++ ( https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/) text editor and use one of these to inspect your file. You can turn on the display of special characters in these editors ? in Textpad click the icon to the left of the globe ? looks like a reverse ?P? and in Notepad++ it?s the same icon. I could not locate any trace file in Win10. > I don't think the App compresses the file before exporting because when I > open the QIF file in Text Editor-Windows Notepad, it opens successfully. > The text editor surely doesn't decompress file before opening. > No it won?t usually uncompress a file automatically ? I was just going by the bug report I read on the android app website so obviously irrelevant to your issue. > I just want the members / Gnucash Team to focus on the generated error > message I posted in my first post and let me know in what circumstances > this message gets generated and how to repair the QIF file so that I can > import it into Desktop Gnucash. > If you don't want to split your file and import partial files I would suggest you do the following for starters:- Read the file-format.txt text file mentioned above if you are unfamiliar with the qif file format. Check that each record begins on a new line and that each record has a CR LF (easier to see in Notepad++) at the end of the record and not somewhere in the middle thus splitting it mid-record. Check Date fields for valid date format (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and valid date, check amount fields for valid format amounts. If you can identify the problem record, maybe there's more than one, and you can't see why it would cause a problem then paste it into a message and post it here so the experts can eyeball it and suggest a solution. Cheers David H. > On Sunday, 24 October, 2021, 04:18:44 pm IST, David H > wrote: > > > Hi parag puranik, > > I was actually referring to the Gnucash trace file on your Win10 desktop > as that is where you had the error and not on your Android device :-) Also > I did see an error report on Ngewi Fet's codinguser website to the effect > that when you export qif from the android app it actually creates a > compressed .zip file even though it has a .qif suffix - > https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/889. You are > probably aware of this if you've used this process previously however. > > Cheers David H. > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:43, parag puranik via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > > Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so > and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- > After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory > reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That > original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From hellvee at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 01:17:39 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 15:17:39 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> <1589081916.1052327.1635081847973@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry meant to ask in the previous email if it displayed a line number that it was processing as part of the error message at all ? Cheers David H. On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 at 13:48, David H wrote: > Hello again parag puranik, > > Please use reply-all to keep the discussion on the mailing list so > everyone is across everything. I'm not a Gnucash developer or familiar > with the importers as I never use them and others that use them often can > probably offer more relevant suggestions :-) See my responses/suggestions > highlighted in yellow below. > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 23:24, parag puranik > wrote: > >> I tried creating a new file in App, exported it in QIF format and >> successfully imported the same in Gnucash Desktop. Everything is fine in >> case of a fresh file export+import procedure. >> > > OK so it seems to definitely be an issue with your data then. How many > records are in your file anyway, I can't imagine it's in the hundreds if > you're using the android app to enter them? > > Personally I would do the binary splits of the file as already suggested > making sure you don?t split a transaction in the middle. This shouldn't > take too long. I think I read somewhere years ago that you only need a > maximum of 7 splits to find a target when using a binary search so this > should be similar. My simplistic figures suggest a 200 record file would > require up to 9 splits in the worst case. So a maximum of split file / > import part file ? say a couple of minutes each x 9 = about 18 - 20 minutes > should be enough to identify the record causing the problem and you may be > able to sort it out yourself once you've identified the problem record - > you would have had your answer by now :-) > > Check out: > > Gnucash QIF format document - > https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt > > and > > > Gnucash QIF Import code file - > > https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-file.scm > > > I could be totally wrong but the error message seems come from line 974 in > the previous bit of code ? according to the comment at line 921 it seems to > be checking for valid date formats (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and also that amount > fields are decimal (999.99) or comma format (999,99):- > > > My problem is only with my earlier file which I exported, but could not >> import in Desktop due to the Error message. I want to know the basis of the >> generation of that error message and get help in importing that file in >> desktop. >> > > I'm sure you do but you have to remember that this is a volunteer project > / development team who probably have other priorities and will take time to > get to your problem. Gnucash is a huge project with code in multiple > languages going back 20+ years and developers come and go so it would take > time to familiarise themselves with the code and work through it to > document it and give you a list of conditions as to exactly why a > particular error message is displayed.Their first response is likely to be > to tell you to check whether it?s an existing bug and if not to lodge a bug > report at Gnucash Bugzilla (https://bugs.gnucash.org). They're also > likely to want to see your file as sometimes a quick scan through a file > can identify the issue. You've already had other suggestions re splitting > your file and importing in parts to identify the problem and this is > probably the fastest and most logical approach right now. > > I suspect you have one or more hidden special characters in your file > which is causing a record to be split mid record and a misalignment in your > file hence the ?Share Price? text in the error message. Seems the android > app has had some of these in the past where users have done a copy and > paste into a transaction on android. These won?t be obvious in Notepad > or Wordpad as they don't display special characters so download either the > Textpad (https://www.textpad.com/download) or Notepad++ ( > https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/) text editor and use one of > these to inspect your file. You can turn on the display of special > characters in these editors ? in Textpad click the icon to the left of > the globe ? looks like a reverse ?P? and in Notepad++ it?s the same icon. > > I could not locate any trace file in Win10. >> I don't think the App compresses the file before exporting because when I >> open the QIF file in Text Editor-Windows Notepad, it opens successfully. >> The text editor surely doesn't decompress file before opening. >> > > No it won?t usually uncompress a file automatically ? I was just going by > the bug report I read on the android app website so obviously irrelevant to > your issue. > > >> I just want the members / Gnucash Team to focus on the generated error >> message I posted in my first post and let me know in what circumstances >> this message gets generated and how to repair the QIF file so that I can >> import it into Desktop Gnucash. >> > > > If you don't want to split your file and import partial files I would > suggest you do the following for starters:- > > Read the file-format.txt text file mentioned above if you are unfamiliar > with the qif file format. > > Check that each record begins on a new line and that each record has a CR > LF (easier to see in Notepad++) at the end of the record and not somewhere > in the middle thus splitting it mid-record. > > Check Date fields for valid date format (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and valid > date, check amount fields for valid format amounts. > > If you can identify the problem record, maybe there's more than one, and > you can't see why it would cause a problem then paste it into a message and > post it here so the experts can eyeball it and suggest a solution. > > > Cheers David H. > > >> On Sunday, 24 October, 2021, 04:18:44 pm IST, David H >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi parag puranik, >> >> I was actually referring to the Gnucash trace file on your Win10 desktop >> as that is where you had the error and not on your Android device :-) Also >> I did see an error report on Ngewi Fet's codinguser website to the effect >> that when you export qif from the android app it actually creates a >> compressed .zip file even though it has a .qif suffix - >> https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/889. You are >> probably aware of this if you've used this process previously however. >> >> Cheers David H. >> >> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:43, parag puranik via gnucash-user < >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so >> and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- >> After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory >> reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That >> original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 08:25:10 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> <1589081916.1052327.1635081847973@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1911901472.1295324.1635164710629@mail.yahoo.com> Records are less than 500.I am not familiar with splitting files process. I'll study for a while the resources you suggested (A Big Thanks) and then try. On Monday, 25 October, 2021, 09:19:03 am IST, David H wrote: Hello again parag puranik, Please use reply-all to keep the discussion on the mailing list so everyone is across everything.? I'm not a Gnucash developer or familiar with the importers as I never use them and others that use them often can probably offer more relevant suggestions :-)? See my responses/suggestions highlighted in yellow below. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 23:24, parag puranik wrote: I tried creating a new file in App, exported it in QIF format and successfully imported the same in Gnucash Desktop. Everything is fine in case of a fresh file export+import procedure.? OKso it seems to definitely be an issue with your?data then. How?many records are in your file anyway, I can't imagine it's in the hundreds if you're using the android app to enter them?? Personally I would?do?the binary splits of the file as already suggested making sure you don?t split a transaction in the middle. This shouldn't take too long.? I think I read somewhere years ago that you only need a maximum of 7 splits to find a target when using a binary search so this should be similar.??My simplistic figures suggest a 200 record file would require up to 9 splits in the worst case.?So a maximum of split file / import part file ? say a couple of minutes each x 9 = about 18 - 20 minutes should be enough to identify the record causing the problem and you may be able to sort it out yourself once you've identified the problem record - you would have had your answer by now :-)?? Checkout: Gnucash QIF format document -?https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt and Gnucash QIF Import code file -?https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-file.scm I could be totally wrong but the error message seems come from line 974 in the previous bit of code ? according to the comment at line 921 it seems to be checking for valid date formats (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and also that amount fields are decimal (999.99) or comma format (999,99):- My problem is only with my earlier file which I exported, but could not import in Desktop due to the Error message. I want to know the basis of the generation of that error message and get help in importing that file in desktop. I'm sure you do but you have to remember that this is a volunteer project / developmentteam who probably have other priorities and will take time to get toyour problem. Gnucash is a huge project with code in multiple languages going back 20+ years and developers come and go so it would take time to familiarise themselves with the code and work through it to document it and give you a list of conditions as to exactly why a particular error message is displayed.Their first response is likely to be to tell youto check whether it?s an existing bug and if not to lodge a bugreport at Gnucash Bugzilla (https://bugs.gnucash.org).? They're also likely to want to see your file as sometimes a quick scan through a file can identify the issue.?You've already had other suggestions re splitting your file and importing in parts to identify the problem and this is probably the fastest and most logical approach right now.?I suspect you have one or more hidden special characters in your file which is causing a record to be split mid record and a misalignment in your file hence the ?Share Price? text in the error message. Seems the?android app has had some of these in the past where users have done a copy and paste into a transaction on android.??These won?t be obvious in Notepad or Wordpad as they don't display special characters so download either the Textpad (https://www.textpad.com/download) or Notepad++ (https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/) text editor and use one of these to inspect your file. You can turn on the display of special characters in these editors ? in Textpad?click the icon to the left of the globe ? looks like a reverse ?P? and in Notepad++ it?s the same icon. I could not locate any trace file in Win10.I don't think the App compresses the file before exporting because when I open the QIF file in Text Editor-Windows Notepad, it opens successfully. The text editor surely doesn't decompress file before opening. Noit won?t usually uncompress a file automatically ? I was justgoing by the bug report I read on the android app website soobviously irrelevant to your issue.? I just want the members / Gnucash Team to focus on the generated error message I posted in my first post and let me know in what circumstances this message gets generated and how to repair the QIF file so that I can import it into Desktop Gnucash. ? If you don't want to split your file and import partial files Iwould suggest you do the following for starters:- Readthe file-format.txt text file mentioned above if you are unfamiliarwith the qif file format. Checkthat each record begins on a new line and that each record has a CRLF (easier to see in Notepad++) at the end of the record and notsomewhere in the middle thus splitting it mid-record. CheckDate fields for valid date format (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and valid date, check amount fieldsfor valid format amounts. If you can identify the problem record, maybe there's more than one, and you can't see why it would cause a problem then paste it into a message and post it here so the experts can eyeball it and suggest a solution. Cheers David H.? On Sunday, 24 October, 2021, 04:18:44 pm IST, David H wrote: Hi parag puranik, I was actually referring to the Gnucash trace file on your Win10 desktop as?that is where you?had the error and not on your Android device :-)? Also I did see an error report on Ngewi Fet's codinguser?website to the effect that when you export qif from the android app it actually creates a compressed .zip file even though it has a .qif suffix - https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/889.? You are probably aware of this if you've used this process previously however. Cheers David H. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:43, parag puranik via gnucash-user wrote: Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 08:26:37 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: <6175B7A1.6667.9F957C3@Fred.mandfb.me.uk> References: <145060783.1058776.1635082752674.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <145060783.1058776.1635082752674@mail.yahoo.com> <6175B7A1.6667.9F957C3@Fred.mandfb.me.uk> Message-ID: <878329074.1300112.1635164797602@mail.yahoo.com> I am not familiar with file splitting process. Let me study and try. On Monday, 25 October, 2021, 01:15:27 am IST, Fred Bone wrote: On 24 October 2021 at 13:39, parag puranik said: > Fred,Repeatedly halving the file is cumbersome process. Indeed. If it takes as much as five minutes per trial, and you have 1000 entries in your file, you could expect to take rather less than an hour. So by now you could easily have identified the problem entry and shown it to us for further diagnosis. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 08:29:07 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> <1589081916.1052327.1635081847973@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <153916907.1307642.1635164948008@mail.yahoo.com> No, line no. is not displayed. Only Error message is displayed. On Monday, 25 October, 2021, 10:47:52 am IST, David H wrote: Sorry meant to ask in the previous email if it displayed a line number that it was processing as part of the error message at all ? Cheers David H. On Mon, 25 Oct 2021 at 13:48, David H wrote: Hello again parag puranik, Please use reply-all to keep the discussion on the mailing list so everyone is across everything.? I'm not a Gnucash developer or familiar with the importers as I never use them and others that use them often can probably offer more relevant suggestions :-)? See my responses/suggestions highlighted in yellow below. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 23:24, parag puranik wrote: I tried creating a new file in App, exported it in QIF format and successfully imported the same in Gnucash Desktop. Everything is fine in case of a fresh file export+import procedure.? OKso it seems to definitely be an issue with your?data then. How?many records are in your file anyway, I can't imagine it's in the hundreds if you're using the android app to enter them?? Personally I would?do?the binary splits of the file as already suggested making sure you don?t split a transaction in the middle. This shouldn't take too long.? I think I read somewhere years ago that you only need a maximum of 7 splits to find a target when using a binary search so this should be similar.??My simplistic figures suggest a 200 record file would require up to 9 splits in the worst case.?So a maximum of split file / import part file ? say a couple of minutes each x 9 = about 18 - 20 minutes should be enough to identify the record causing the problem and you may be able to sort it out yourself once you've identified the problem record - you would have had your answer by now :-)?? Checkout: Gnucash QIF format document -?https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt and Gnucash QIF Import code file -?https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-file.scm I could be totally wrong but the error message seems come from line 974 in the previous bit of code ? according to the comment at line 921 it seems to be checking for valid date formats (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and also that amount fields are decimal (999.99) or comma format (999,99):- My problem is only with my earlier file which I exported, but could not import in Desktop due to the Error message. I want to know the basis of the generation of that error message and get help in importing that file in desktop. I'm sure you do but you have to remember that this is a volunteer project / developmentteam who probably have other priorities and will take time to get toyour problem. Gnucash is a huge project with code in multiple languages going back 20+ years and developers come and go so it would take time to familiarise themselves with the code and work through it to document it and give you a list of conditions as to exactly why a particular error message is displayed.Their first response is likely to be to tell youto check whether it?s an existing bug and if not to lodge a bugreport at Gnucash Bugzilla (https://bugs.gnucash.org).? They're also likely to want to see your file as sometimes a quick scan through a file can identify the issue.?You've already had other suggestions re splitting your file and importing in parts to identify the problem and this is probably the fastest and most logical approach right now.?I suspect you have one or more hidden special characters in your file which is causing a record to be split mid record and a misalignment in your file hence the ?Share Price? text in the error message. Seems the?android app has had some of these in the past where users have done a copy and paste into a transaction on android.??These won?t be obvious in Notepad or Wordpad as they don't display special characters so download either the Textpad (https://www.textpad.com/download) or Notepad++ (https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/) text editor and use one of these to inspect your file. You can turn on the display of special characters in these editors ? in Textpad?click the icon to the left of the globe ? looks like a reverse ?P? and in Notepad++ it?s the same icon. I could not locate any trace file in Win10.I don't think the App compresses the file before exporting because when I open the QIF file in Text Editor-Windows Notepad, it opens successfully. The text editor surely doesn't decompress file before opening. Noit won?t usually uncompress a file automatically ? I was justgoing by the bug report I read on the android app website soobviously irrelevant to your issue.? I just want the members / Gnucash Team to focus on the generated error message I posted in my first post and let me know in what circumstances this message gets generated and how to repair the QIF file so that I can import it into Desktop Gnucash. ? If you don't want to split your file and import partial files Iwould suggest you do the following for starters:- Readthe file-format.txt text file mentioned above if you are unfamiliarwith the qif file format. Checkthat each record begins on a new line and that each record has a CRLF (easier to see in Notepad++) at the end of the record and notsomewhere in the middle thus splitting it mid-record. CheckDate fields for valid date format (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and valid date, check amount fieldsfor valid format amounts. If you can identify the problem record, maybe there's more than one, and you can't see why it would cause a problem then paste it into a message and post it here so the experts can eyeball it and suggest a solution. Cheers David H.? On Sunday, 24 October, 2021, 04:18:44 pm IST, David H wrote: Hi parag puranik, I was actually referring to the Gnucash trace file on your Win10 desktop as?that is where you?had the error and not on your Android device :-)? Also I did see an error report on Ngewi Fet's codinguser?website to the effect that when you export qif from the android app it actually creates a compressed .zip file even though it has a .qif suffix - https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/889.? You are probably aware of this if you've used this process previously however. Cheers David H. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:43, parag puranik via gnucash-user wrote: Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From parag_puranik at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 08:30:23 2021 From: parag_puranik at yahoo.com (parag puranik) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file In-Reply-To: References: <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1771593094.1039728.1635064948649@mail.yahoo.com> <1589081916.1052327.1635081847973@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1871620187.1304137.1635165023631@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot for explaining the details. Let me try. On Monday, 25 October, 2021, 10:07:09 am IST, William Prescott wrote: File length??? ??? Number of splits to find a single record. 2??? ??? ??? 1 4??? ??? ??? 2 8??? ??? ??? 3 16??? ??? ??? 4 32??? ??? ??? 5 64??? ??? ??? 6 128??? ??? ??? 7 256??? ??? ??? 8 512??? ??? ??? 9 1024??? ??? ??? 10 etc And in case it wasn't clear earlier in this conversation, the idea is you make a copy of the problem file, delete the first half of the records, see if the problem goes away, if not delete the second half and confirm that it is in the second half. Then you take the half containing the problem, and repeat the process until you have it down to a single record that produces the problem. If there are an odd number of records at any step, don't worry about it that the two halves are not exactly equal. Will On 2021 Oct 24, at 10-24 22:48:50, David H wrote: Hello again parag puranik, Please use reply-all to keep the discussion on the mailing list so everyone is across everything.? I'm not a Gnucash developer or familiar with the importers as I never use them and others that use them often can probably offer more relevant suggestions :-)? See my responses/suggestions highlighted in yellow below. On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 23:24, parag puranik wrote: > I tried creating a new file in App, exported it in QIF format and > successfully imported the same in Gnucash Desktop. Everything is fine in > case of a fresh file export+import procedure. > OK so it seems to definitely be an issue with your data then. How many records are in your file anyway, I can't imagine it's in the hundreds if you're using the android app to enter them? Personally I would do the binary splits of the file as already suggested making sure you don?t split a transaction in the middle. This shouldn't take too long.? I think I read somewhere years ago that you only need a maximum of 7 splits to find a target when using a binary search so this should be similar.? My simplistic figures suggest a 200 record file would require up to 9 splits in the worst case. So a maximum of split file / import part file ? say a couple of minutes each x 9 = about 18 - 20 minutes should be enough to identify the record causing the problem and you may be able to sort it out yourself once you've identified the problem record - you would have had your answer by now :-) Check out: Gnucash QIF format document - https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/file-format.txt and Gnucash QIF Import code file - https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/import-export/qif-imp/qif-file.scm I could be totally wrong but the error message seems come from line 974 in the previous bit of code ? according to the comment at line 921 it seems to be checking for valid date formats (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and also that amount fields are decimal (999.99) or comma format (999,99):- My problem is only with my earlier file which I exported, but could not > import in Desktop due to the Error message. I want to know the basis of the > generation of that error message and get help in importing that file in > desktop. > I'm sure you do but you have to remember that this is a volunteer project / development team who probably have other priorities and will take time to get to your problem. Gnucash is a huge project with code in multiple languages going back 20+ years and developers come and go so it would take time to familiarise themselves with the code and work through it to document it and give you a list of conditions as to exactly why a particular error message is displayed.Their first response is likely to be to tell you to check whether it?s an existing bug and if not to lodge a bug report at Gnucash Bugzilla (https://bugs.gnucash.org).? They're also likely to want to see your file as sometimes a quick scan through a file can identify the issue. You've already had other suggestions re splitting your file and importing in parts to identify the problem and this is probably the fastest and most logical approach right now. I suspect you have one or more hidden special characters in your file which is causing a record to be split mid record and a misalignment in your file hence the ?Share Price? text in the error message. Seems the android app has had some of these in the past where users have done a copy and paste into a transaction on android.? These won?t be obvious in Notepad or Wordpad as they don't display special characters so download either the Textpad (https://www.textpad.com/download) or Notepad++ ( https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/) text editor and use one of these to inspect your file. You can turn on the display of special characters in these editors ? in Textpad click the icon to the left of the globe ? looks like a reverse ?P? and in Notepad++ it?s the same icon. I could not locate any trace file in Win10. > I don't think the App compresses the file before exporting because when I > open the QIF file in Text Editor-Windows Notepad, it opens successfully. > The text editor surely doesn't decompress file before opening. > No it won?t usually uncompress a file automatically ? I was just going by the bug report I read on the android app website so obviously irrelevant to your issue. > I just want the members / Gnucash Team to focus on the generated error > message I posted in my first post and let me know in what circumstances > this message gets generated and how to repair the QIF file so that I can > import it into Desktop Gnucash. > If you don't want to split your file and import partial files I would suggest you do the following for starters:- Read the file-format.txt text file mentioned above if you are unfamiliar with the qif file format. Check that each record begins on a new line and that each record has a CR LF (easier to see in Notepad++) at the end of the record and not somewhere in the middle thus splitting it mid-record. Check Date fields for valid date format (d-m-y, y-m-d, etc) and valid date, check amount fields for valid format amounts. If you can identify the problem record, maybe there's more than one, and you can't see why it would cause a problem then paste it into a message and post it here so the experts can eyeball it and suggest a solution. Cheers David H. > On Sunday, 24 October, 2021, 04:18:44 pm IST, David H > wrote: > > > Hi parag puranik, > > I was actually referring to the Gnucash trace file on your Win10 desktop > as that is where you had the error and not on your Android device :-)? Also > I did see an error report on Ngewi Fet's codinguser website to the effect > that when you export qif from the android app it actually creates a > compressed .zip file even though it has a .qif suffix - > https://github.com/codinguser/gnucash-android/issues/889. You are > probably aware of this if you've used this process previously however. > > Cheers David H. > > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 18:43, parag puranik via gnucash-user < > gnucash-user at gnucash.org> wrote: > > Thanks David H for your kind support. I'll upgrade to version 4.8 or so > and try. OS:\ is Win10 for importing PC. Regarding log file/trace file :- > After exporting from Android phone in QIF format, I carried out Factory > reset operation on Android. So no trace file remaining on Android. That > original Android app's file has been irretrievably lost for ever. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From kalpesh.patel at usa.net Mon Oct 25 10:52:42 2021 From: kalpesh.patel at usa.net (Kalpesh Patel) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:52:42 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Error importing QIF file Message-ID: <001c01d7c9af$f703cc40$e50b64c0$@usa.net> Parag - are you able to send me the QIF file privately either as is or anonymized? I will flag down the offending entry. It won't be any easier than this. Just a FYI - my past experience in a massive import of over 10K+ transaction via QIF has been that the wild west of date format used by other apps, specifically multiple formats in the same file, trips up GNC as it tries to import only single formatted date. There is no clear cut authority on this so both are right as there was not strict adherence to one way of specifying this, especially when accounting for variation between American style of date (month / date / year) and English style of date ( date / month / year). One of the hard ones that I found was for likes of Quicken used apostrophes (') as delimiter instead of forward slash (/) for year after 1999 for two digits year format, something like "2/ 1'20" to identify Feb 1nd of 2020 for example, in a file that crossed the millennium. This was undertaken in 3.x of GNC and since then there has been great improvements made towards this import process. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:19:21 +0000 (UTC) From: parag puranik > To: "gnucash-user at gnucash.org " > Subject: Re: [GNC] Error importing QIF file Message-ID: <384139489.1092075.1635095961260 at mail.yahoo.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Okay, I'll try to find out the fault by myself. Thanks a lot for your continued support David. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net Mon Oct 25 17:43:16 2021 From: adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net (Adrien Monteleone) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:43:16 -0500 Subject: [GNC] elementary questions In-Reply-To: References: <6c017b46-39e4-d193-14d6-8eeb68f6e7a4@comcast.net> Message-ID: I would add a suggestion to investigate something along the lines of Markdown syntax. Most of the syntax/convention allows for 'plain ascii formatting' so the text is readable by plain text e-mail apps, and you still get your emphasis across. There are some advanced formatting measures for special cases, and while it is possible to attach images to list messages, you need to do so 'as attachments' *not* 'inline'. Many e-mail apps default to 'inline'. Some benefits of learning something like Markdown include: a good editor can then generate a nice PDF if you need it (though you wouldn't be attaching it to a list message); many websites can easily convert Markdown syntax to well-formed HTML if desired (such as for a blog post); some forum sites might even let you post it directly and then render it properly formatted. Regards, Adrien On 10/23/21 1:48 PM, Chris Green wrote: > On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 02:23:20PM -0400, m.x. keating wrote: >> >> As suggested, I do use LibreOffice when composing a message, because of the >> poor quality of the in-built text editor in Thunderbird. LO does not help >> with formatting, however, since all formatting but the most basic is lost >> when transferring into an email client like TB for transmission. >> > E-Mail as used in mailing lists like this one is a text medium, it's > only if you send non-text messages that any formatting like bold, > italic, underline or whatever is available. > > Thus to get the best out of the mailing list you need to use what's > available to emphasise or highlight things. E.g. the usual way to > emphasise something is to surround it with *stars* or _underlines_. > > Using a word processor like Open Office to create your text will just > mislead you into thinking you have created formatted text when you > haven't. > From adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net Mon Oct 25 17:53:36 2021 From: adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net (Adrien Monteleone) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 16:53:36 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts In-Reply-To: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> References: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> Message-ID: You are no longer using those accounts (have hidden them) and they do not contain a zero balance? While maybe the setting *should* stick, I think it a fair assumption not to use hidden accounts in a NetWorth chart/report as they should generally have a zero balance and thus not affect the equation at all. Including them or not, should not have an affect on the chart/report. (unless you are hiding them for some reason other than that they are now zero, and no longer needed) Regards, Adrien On 10/15/21 4:59 PM, Colin Arndt wrote: > Since the Net Worth report goes back several years, it includes accounts that I?ve since sunsetted and hidden in GnuCash. If I can?t include these in the report, it?s not nearly as accurate or useful. > > Thanks for any help on this, > Colin From adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net Mon Oct 25 18:00:11 2021 From: adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net (Adrien Monteleone) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:00:11 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Credit Card Rewards Refund In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know a business with plenty of vendors who still offer 2/10 Net30 terms. (furniture industry) Since the 2% is deducted from the payment, the expense is directly reduced by a contra-account 'Discounts and Allowances'. I don't recall any cases where full payment had to be rendered and then the 2% discount credited later, but I would imagine the accounting would be the same, with the credit simply applied to a future invoice. Regards, Adrien On 10/15/21 11:15 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > Perhaps historical perspective might help, especially with businesses, > because might want to treat the same way as when invoices typically were > like this, except conditional on when paid. > > I have no idea how accrual treats this (would have treated this) when in > the old days a vendor might send an invoice like this: > > Immediate, 2% discount, 30 days net, else 1% per month. > > I am old enough to remember those days. Assuming the accrual system > treated the "30 days net" as normal, what was done if paid immediately? > That closely resembles the situation of credit card rebates on > purchases. As to the argument wanting to? distribute to reduce all > expenses? paid during that billing period, is that also being done in > reverse with interest charges (if any -- often a business credit card is > not intended as a source of credit and balance paid each month -- and > SOME people ca manage that with their personal credit cards too) > > > Michael D Novack From fbrunot8848y at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 14:18:17 2021 From: fbrunot8848y at gmail.com (Frank Brunot) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Selling a stock problem Message-ID: I'm trying to sell an existing stock. When I enter the number of shares (-720), the cell changes to (-7.2). If I try using (-720.00), the cell changes to (-7). I've checked the Stock editor, and the "fraction" is set to 1:1. Any thoughts? Frank Brunot fbrunot8848y at gmail.com From hellvee at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 18:58:58 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 08:58:58 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Selling a stock problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frank, Might be worth checking Preferences >> Numbers, Date, Time >> Automatic Decimal Point ? Cheers David H. On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 08:19, Frank Brunot wrote: > I'm trying to sell an existing stock. > > When I enter the number of shares (-720), the cell changes to (-7.2). If I > try using (-720.00), the cell changes to (-7). > > I've checked the Stock editor, and the "fraction" is set to 1:1. > > Any thoughts? > > Frank Brunot > fbrunot8848y at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 19:01:35 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:01:35 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Selling a stock problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are two places to look. First, in the Security editor, the securities usually default to 10000 in the fraction column, tho you may have selected 1 if you knew that you were not going to trade fractional shares. Second, when you set up the security account under your brokerage account you would normally select "Use Commodity Value". Then, if you only have one currency in your data this will be a mystery. On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:19 PM Frank Brunot wrote: > I'm trying to sell an existing stock. > > When I enter the number of shares (-720), the cell changes to (-7.2). If I > try using (-720.00), the cell changes to (-7). > > I've checked the Stock editor, and the "fraction" is set to 1:1. > > Any thoughts? > > Frank Brunot > fbrunot8848y at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- David Carlson From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 25 19:45:56 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:45:56 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts In-Reply-To: References: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not to put words into Colin's mouth, but the linechart report covers a period of time, which can be configured in options. So, it's entirely possible (likely, in fact), that such a report would need to draw on hidden accounts to determine overall status, even if they are now zero balance. -------- Original Message -------- From: Adrien Monteleone Sent: Mon Oct 25 17:53:36 EDT 2021 To: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts You are no longer using those accounts (have hidden them) and they do not contain a zero balance? While maybe the setting *should* stick, I think it a fair assumption not to use hidden accounts in a NetWorth chart/report as they should generally have a zero balance and thus not affect the equation at all. Including them or not, should not have an affect on the chart/report. (unless you are hiding them for some reason other than that they are now zero, and no longer needed) Regards, Adrien On 10/15/21 4:59 PM, Colin Arndt wrote: > Since the Net Worth report goes back several years, it includes accounts that I?ve since sunsetted and hidden in GnuCash. If I can?t include these in the report, it?s not nearly as accurate or useful. > > Thanks for any help on this, > Colin _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net Mon Oct 25 20:27:50 2021 From: adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net (Adrien Monteleone) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:27:50 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts In-Reply-To: References: <78311311-15F5-49F0-A1B7-E1C29135D52B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, sorry. I wasn't thinking that if the chart covers a time period where the account is involved, that may show assets or liabilities increasing or decreasing across that part of the chart, which wouldn't be possible if those accounts were not included. I was only thinking of a snapshot of the present. Regards, Adrien On 10/25/21 6:45 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > Not to put words into Colin's mouth, but the linechart report covers a period of time, which can be configured in options. So, it's entirely possible (likely, in fact), that such a report would need to draw on hidden accounts to determine overall status, even if they are now zero balance. From colinfarndt at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 12:23:58 2021 From: colinfarndt at gmail.com (Colin Arndt) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:23:58 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F30FC8A-C3AA-4C5A-B764-19FD7A7D8D96@gmail.com> Yes, this is exactly it. The line chart shows a span of time. I currently have 5 years? history in GnuCash and that includes several accounts which are no longer active. For example, I?ve moved a couple times since then and opened and closed credit union accounts as a result. Show Hidden Accounts is already an option in the report settings, it just doesn?t work in the current software, for who knows what reason. I opened a bug report for this issue here: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798348 The GnuCash dev team is fantastic and I?m sure they'll get to it when they can. Thanks, Colin > On Oct 26, 2021, at 9:00 AM, gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:45:56 -0400 > From: "D." > To: Adrien Monteleone > Cc: GnuCash-User > Subject: Re: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden > accounts > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Not to put words into Colin's mouth, but the linechart report covers a period of time, which can be configured in options. So, it's entirely possible (likely, in fact), that such a report would need to draw on hidden accounts to determine overall status, even if they are now zero balance. > > > -------- Original Message -------- > From: Adrien Monteleone > Sent: Mon Oct 25 17:53:36 EDT 2021 > To: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden accounts > > You are no longer using those accounts (have hidden them) and they do > not contain a zero balance? > > While maybe the setting *should* stick, I think it a fair assumption not > to use hidden accounts in a NetWorth chart/report as they should > generally have a zero balance and thus not affect the equation at all. > > Including them or not, should not have an affect on the chart/report. > > (unless you are hiding them for some reason other than that they are now > zero, and no longer needed) > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 10/15/21 4:59 PM, Colin Arndt wrote: >> Since the Net Worth report goes back several years, it includes accounts that I?ve since sunsetted and hidden in GnuCash. If I can?t include these in the report, it?s not nearly as accurate or useful. >> >> Thanks for any help on this, >> Colin > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:27:50 -0500 > From: Adrien Monteleone > To: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Net Worth Linechart report - can't select hidden > accounts > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Yes, sorry. I wasn't thinking that if the chart covers a time period > where the account is involved, that may show assets or liabilities > increasing or decreasing across that part of the chart, which wouldn't > be possible if those accounts were not included. > > I was only thinking of a snapshot of the present. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 10/25/21 6:45 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote: >> Not to put words into Colin's mouth, but the linechart report covers a period of time, which can be configured in options. So, it's entirely possible (likely, in fact), that such a report would need to draw on hidden accounts to determine overall status, even if they are now zero balance. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of gnucash-user Digest, Vol 223, Issue 61 > ********************************************* From glsmit44 at att.net Tue Oct 26 15:21:12 2021 From: glsmit44 at att.net (Gerald Smith) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [GNC] How to save Accounts to External Drive References: <494917162.848709.1635276072675.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <494917162.848709.1635276072675@mail.yahoo.com> How do you save accounts to an external drive? G. Smith From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 17:28:15 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 17:28:15 -0400 Subject: [GNC] How to save Accounts to External Drive In-Reply-To: <494917162.848709.1635276072675@mail.yahoo.com> References: <494917162.848709.1635276072675.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <494917162.848709.1635276072675@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31923ad2-b67b-4034-bd8a-d1a985339567@yahoo.com> File->Save As -------- Original Message -------- From: Gerald Smith Sent: Tue Oct 26 15:21:12 EDT 2021 To: "gnucash-user at gnucash.org" Subject: [GNC] How to save Accounts to External Drive How do you save accounts to an external drive? G. Smith _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From stepbystepfarm at comcast.net Tue Oct 26 18:08:48 2021 From: stepbystepfarm at comcast.net (Michael or Penny Novack) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 18:08:48 -0400 Subject: [GNC] How to save Accounts to External Drive In-Reply-To: <31923ad2-b67b-4034-bd8a-d1a985339567@yahoo.com> References: <494917162.848709.1635276072675.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <494917162.848709.1635276072675@mail.yahoo.com> <31923ad2-b67b-4034-bd8a-d1a985339567@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2b0267b5-9a60-bfa9-683c-4fa3555e947a@comcast.net> On 10/26/2021 5:28 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > File->Save As > OR, when not from within gnucash, just like you make copies of any file (but then, the next time you start gnucash, you will have to tell it to open THAT file). Michael From stepbystepfarm at comcast.net Tue Oct 26 18:12:18 2021 From: stepbystepfarm at comcast.net (Michael or Penny Novack) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: [GNC] How to save Accounts to External Drive In-Reply-To: <31923ad2-b67b-4034-bd8a-d1a985339567@yahoo.com> References: <494917162.848709.1635276072675.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <494917162.848709.1635276072675@mail.yahoo.com> <31923ad2-b67b-4034-bd8a-d1a985339567@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09b10dd4-bb20-c597-a8ce-032b4ff33de8@comcast.net> On 10/26/2021 5:28 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > File->Save As PS:? After "moving" your file to an eternal drive, I strongly suggest you rename (if not deleting) the file on the internal drive so that gnucash will not find it. You do NOT want to accidentally open it after you have begun using the file on the external drive which could happen if you opened gnucash while the external drive was not connected. Michael From sunfish62 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 26 19:29:29 2021 From: sunfish62 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:29:29 -0400 Subject: [GNC] How to save Accounts to External Drive In-Reply-To: <09b10dd4-bb20-c597-a8ce-032b4ff33de8@comcast.net> References: <494917162.848709.1635276072675.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <494917162.848709.1635276072675@mail.yahoo.com> <31923ad2-b67b-4034-bd8a-d1a985339567@yahoo.com> <09b10dd4-bb20-c597-a8ce-032b4ff33de8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <921b6263-21ee-4eb0-a9fa-40a9cb1d3fd4@yahoo.com> All good suggestions, but File->Save As eliminates the need to worry about most of them right off the bat... Personally, I'd really like to have an "eternal" drive, but it would have to include infinite storage to be really useful... ;-) -------- Original Message -------- From: Michael or Penny Novack Sent: Tue Oct 26 18:12:18 EDT 2021 To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org Subject: Re: [GNC] How to save Accounts to External Drive On 10/26/2021 5:28 PM, D. via gnucash-user wrote: > File->Save As PS:? After "moving" your file to an eternal drive, I strongly suggest you rename (if not deleting) the file on the internal drive so that gnucash will not find it. You do NOT want to accidentally open it after you have begun using the file on the external drive which could happen if you opened gnucash while the external drive was not connected. Michael _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From list at achampion.net Tue Oct 26 21:47:34 2021 From: list at achampion.net (Alun Champion) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:47:34 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Account Selection in Register Message-ID: If I type an account name from the beginning e.g. Assets:...: I have it configured to not auto-raise lists so the account list doesn't popup and I can type the account without any issues (using tab to complete). However, if I type a leaf account name the account list popups up but it starts flashing and I can't type any new characters or select an account from the list (just asks if I want to create a new account). If I repeatedly hit keys then every 10th or so key may get taken but as you can imagine this is unusable and very frustrating as it is hard to back out of. I've used this leaf matching previously, but it has been an issue with 4.8 and I'm updated to 4.8-2 and no luck. I'm on a Mac (Big Sur) running 4.8-2. Anyone know if there is a way to configure it to not to try and match leaf accounts, or fix the UI issue? Cheers -A. From adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net Tue Oct 26 22:44:46 2021 From: adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net (Adrien Monteleone) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 21:44:46 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Handling personal yet-to-pay bills In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use the 'business features' for my personal bills. I don't have to, but it works well. Most of them are duplicated month-to-month, with only minor adjustments for particular fees and usage. (such as phone call minutes, utility usage, etc.) The line items rarely if ever change. I just change the amounts, then post the bill with its due date. The only issue I've ever run into was for a bill for pre-paid car insurance. The issue is one of recognizing the pre-paid expense on a cash vs. accrual basis. (the 'bill' feature uses an accrual method) Technically, the expense is not pre-paid until I actually pay it. So posting the bill when received like the others is a no-go. I can enter the bill when received of course, but can't post it till I physically pay it. Thus I have to forgo the 'Bills Due Reminder' for that one bill as that feature only works for posted bills. (I use my Reminders.app to handle that one for me) Regards, Adrien On 10/16/21 7:59 AM, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > Hi people! > > I'm a new gnucash user, starting pretty much now. > > I'll start by saying that despite being a self-employed contractor (and > such I am making use of some of the business features of gnucash), my > fiscal position in my country (Italy) doesn't impose me any kind of > obligation concerning account reports. As such the focus of my set up > is really personal, and for now I'm not trying to do things like > figuring my tax filings from this. Furthermore I'm allowed to mix "my" > money and "my business" money, so effectively my assets are mixed. > > I have been looking for a more featureful tool than a crude spreadsheet > to track all of my assets (and changes to them), that span multiple > banks and brokerages (and I also believe I do relatively complex/unusual > things that I'd love to be able to track, but I'll come back at a later > moment to those). In fact I've been quite happy to discover that the > grand total was actually more than what I thought I had at hand :D So > thank you to the devs for this program that for now made me very > satisfied! :) > > > With that out of the way, today I would like to start with asking the > wider community how you'd suggest to track "personal bills" that come > and needs to be paid. I'm referring to things like utility bills > (phone, electricity, etc) or tax payments that needs to be done; > especially those payments that are done manually and don't direct debit > to the checking account or credit card. > I'd like to have those kind of things filed in even if the actual > payment has not been instructed yet, in which case it should count > toward a liability (since after all it would an A/P). That would likely > also help me remind me of the deadlines. > I'm aware of the "bills" feature (that I already started to use with a > business vendor, and looks like it's behaving exactly as I'd expect), > but I'd like to double check with you if as a user in my situation I'm > expected to use the same "business feature" also for personal things? > > > Thanks in advance for your support and sorry for being long-winded! From gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca Tue Oct 26 19:42:07 2021 From: gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca (gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 Message-ID: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. Pop-ups only paint the title bar. Has anyone else experienced this? From hellvee at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 01:09:29 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 15:09:29 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> References: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> Message-ID: See John Ralls post from 15 Oct - https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2021-October/046029.html - download and install the updated 4.8.2 dmg - works as expected :-) Cheers David H. On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 14:57, wrote: > The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey > (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. Pop-ups only > paint the title bar. > > Has anyone else experienced this? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From derek at ihtfp.com Wed Oct 27 01:11:39 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 01:11:39 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> References: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> Message-ID: <0ed13ef5e5be9a159996fa2863392e49.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Hi, On Tue, October 26, 2021 7:42 pm, gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca wrote: > The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey > (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. Pop-ups > only paint the title bar. > > Has anyone else experienced this? Are you sure you are using 4.8-2? > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From prl at ozemail.com.au Wed Oct 27 01:17:10 2021 From: prl at ozemail.com.au (prl) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:17:10 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> References: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> Message-ID: Yes, I saw that. I fixed it by installing Intel GnuCash 4.8-2, even though the GnuCash release notes for 4.8 say "[t]he macOS and Win32 GnuCash bundles were not affected". Perhaps that could be corrected, since 4.8-2 seems to have fixes for macOS 12.0.1 Monterey, at least for Intel Macs. I'm not sure whether there are similar problems for the M1 Macs. Cheers, Peter On 27/10/21 10:42, gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca wrote: > The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. Pop-ups only paint the title bar. > > Has anyone else experienced this? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From jralls at ceridwen.us Wed Oct 27 12:15:35 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 09:15:35 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> Message-ID: <1B24AC9E-A9CF-4993-B54C-2DA6ED1FFB97@ceridwen.us> The release notes sentence is about the change from 4.7 to 4.8 to fix a crash in flatpaks on Linux, something that had to be fixed in GnuCash itself. The change in Gnucash-Intel-4.8-2 is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/commit/36315cbe2b3c9d1c1b7508d9494a251eddbc4452 , applied as a patch to gtk+-3.24.30. The -2 indicates a packaging change, not a change to GnuCash itself and aside from changing the version and sha256 doesn't get reflected in the release notes. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 26, 2021, at 10:17 PM, prl > wrote: > > Yes, I saw that. I fixed it by installing Intel GnuCash 4.8-2, even though the GnuCash release notes for 4.8 say "[t]he macOS and Win32 GnuCash bundles were not affected". > > Perhaps that could be corrected, since 4.8-2 seems to have fixes for macOS 12.0.1 Monterey, at least for Intel Macs. > > I'm not sure whether there are similar problems for the M1 Macs. > > Cheers, > Peter > > On 27/10/21 10:42, gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca wrote: >> The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. Pop-ups only paint the title bar. >> >> Has anyone else experienced this? >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From colinfarndt at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 12:42:16 2021 From: colinfarndt at gmail.com (Colin Arndt) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 09:42:16 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EEB5FE1-9B3A-4CC1-BD0D-BBB901D01BFD@gmail.com> I?m on an M1 MacBook Air and the issues people reported for Monterey showed up for me as well. They were also resolved with 4.8-2. This makes sense because we?re all running the same binary. GnuCash is not currently being built for Apple Silicon. (macOS takes care of translating x86_64 binaries to aarm64 on first launch) Best, Colin On Oct 26, 2021, at 10:18 PM, gnucash-user-request at gnucash.org wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:17:10 +1100 > From: prl > > To: gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca , gnucash-user at gnucash.org > Subject: Re: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Yes, I saw that. I fixed it by installing Intel GnuCash 4.8-2, even > though the GnuCash release notes for 4.8 say "[t]he macOS and Win32 > GnuCash bundles were not affected". > > Perhaps that could be corrected, since 4.8-2 seems to have fixes for > macOS 12.0.1 Monterey, at least for Intel Macs. > > I'm not sure whether there are similar problems for the M1 Macs. > > Cheers, > Peter From gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca Wed Oct 27 14:46:55 2021 From: gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca (gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 14:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: References: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> Message-ID: <1994995814.24933780.1635360415689.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> Yes, I see that now. Installed and fixed. Thanks to the dev team for all their efforts on some great software. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David H" To: "gnucash dgr9z" Cc: "gnucash-user" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 1:09:29 AM Subject: Re: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 See John Ralls post from 15 Oct - https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2021-October/046029.html - download and install the updated 4.8.2 dmg - works as expected :-) Cheers David H. On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 14:57, wrote: > The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey > (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. Pop-ups only > paint the title bar. > > Has anyone else experienced this? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From prl at ozemail.com.au Wed Oct 27 17:24:45 2021 From: prl at ozemail.com.au (prl) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:24:45 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <1B24AC9E-A9CF-4993-B54C-2DA6ED1FFB97@ceridwen.us> References: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> <1B24AC9E-A9CF-4993-B54C-2DA6ED1FFB97@ceridwen.us> Message-ID: <81f980d0-b4ee-2b43-fb8a-5c9758362efa@ozemail.com.au> IMO, that makes the release notes misleading, because the change makes a major difference to the behaviour of GnuCash on Mac platforms. Cheers, Peter On 28/10/21 03:15, john wrote: > The release notes sentence is about the change from 4.7 to 4.8 to fix > a crash in flatpaks on Linux, something that had to be fixed in > GnuCash itself. The change in Gnucash-Intel-4.8-2 is > https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/commit/36315cbe2b3c9d1c1b7508d9494a251eddbc4452, > applied as a patch to gtk+-3.24.30. The -2 indicates a packaging > change, not a change to GnuCash itself and aside from changing the > version and sha256 doesn't get reflected in the release notes. > > Regards, > John Ralls > > >> On Oct 26, 2021, at 10:17 PM, prl wrote: >> >> Yes, I saw that. I fixed it by installing Intel GnuCash 4.8-2, even >> though the GnuCash release notes for 4.8 say "[t]he macOS and Win32 >> GnuCash bundles were not affected". >> >> Perhaps that could be corrected, since 4.8-2 seems to have fixes for >> macOS 12.0.1 Monterey, at least for Intel Macs. >> >> I'm not sure whether there are similar problems for the M1 Macs. >> >> Cheers, >> Peter >> >> On 27/10/21 10:42, gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca wrote: >>> The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey >>> (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. >>> Pop-ups only paint the title bar. >>> >>> Has anyone else experienced this? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net Wed Oct 27 18:15:28 2021 From: adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net (Adrien Monteleone) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:15:28 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Account Selection in Register In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm using 4.7 on Big Sur, but either it works correctly, or the preference doesn't work at all. (you don't *need* 4.8 or 4.8-2 on Big Sur, you *do* need 4.8-2 on Monterey for GnuCash to display its windows correctly) I'm not certain what 'list' it isn't supposed to 'raise' and where. I was guessing that this would stop a list from popping up as I typed an account name in the account field while entering a transaction, but regardless of the preference setting, a list comes up as soon as I start to type. But everything works just fine otherwise for me. Regards, Adrien On 10/26/21 8:47 PM, Alun Champion wrote: > If I type an account name from the beginning e.g. Assets:...: I have it > configured to not auto-raise lists so the account list doesn't popup and I > can type the account without any issues (using tab to complete). > > However, if I type a leaf account name the account list popups up but it > starts flashing and I can't type any new characters or select an account > from the list (just asks if I want to create a new account). If I > repeatedly hit keys then every 10th or so key may get taken but as you can > imagine this is unusable and very frustrating as it is hard to back out of. > > I've used this leaf matching previously, but it has been an issue with 4.8 > and I'm updated to 4.8-2 and no luck. > > I'm on a Mac (Big Sur) running 4.8-2. > > Anyone know if there is a way to configure it to not to try and match leaf > accounts, or fix the UI issue? > Cheers > -A. From adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net Wed Oct 27 18:21:30 2021 From: adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net (Adrien Monteleone) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:21:30 -0500 Subject: [GNC] gnu-cash payroll In-Reply-To: <295888629.1022419.1632719295387@mail.yahoo.com> References: <295888629.1022419.1632719295387.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <295888629.1022419.1632719295387@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Take a look at Scheduled Transactions in the documentation. Regards, Adrien On 9/27/21 12:08 AM, Scott Brooksby via gnucash-user wrote: > I have read the documentation and it indicates that the best way to do payroll is to create my first full entry and after that just duplicate it.? This seem awkward.? Is that a way to enter the information for the payroll to a form and have it populate the entry? > Scott From jralls at ceridwen.us Wed Oct 27 20:57:11 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:57:11 -0700 Subject: [GNC] Serious issues with Mac OS update - 12.0.1 In-Reply-To: <81f980d0-b4ee-2b43-fb8a-5c9758362efa@ozemail.com.au> References: <1310901525.24712854.1635291727623.JavaMail.zimbra@ncf.ca> <1B24AC9E-A9CF-4993-B54C-2DA6ED1FFB97@ceridwen.us> <81f980d0-b4ee-2b43-fb8a-5c9758362efa@ozemail.com.au> Message-ID: Wrong change. The change that affects Macs running macOS 12 is to Gtk, not to GnuCash, and I committed it after releasing GnuCash 4.8: That's why there's a Gnucash.app version 4.8-2: libgtk+-2.34.30.dylib in 4.8-1 doesn't have the patch, 4.8-2 does. It's the only difference between the two bundles. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 27, 2021, at 2:24 PM, prl wrote: > > IMO, that makes the release notes misleading, because the change makes a major difference to the behaviour of GnuCash on Mac platforms. > > Cheers, > Peter > > On 28/10/21 03:15, john wrote: >> The release notes sentence is about the change from 4.7 to 4.8 to fix a crash in flatpaks on Linux, something that had to be fixed in GnuCash itself. The change in Gnucash-Intel-4.8-2 is https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/commit/36315cbe2b3c9d1c1b7508d9494a251eddbc4452 , applied as a patch to gtk+-3.24.30. The -2 indicates a packaging change, not a change to GnuCash itself and aside from changing the version and sha256 doesn't get reflected in the release notes. >> >> Regards, >> John Ralls >> >> >>> On Oct 26, 2021, at 10:17 PM, prl > wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I saw that. I fixed it by installing Intel GnuCash 4.8-2, even though the GnuCash release notes for 4.8 say "[t]he macOS and Win32 GnuCash bundles were not affected". >>> >>> Perhaps that could be corrected, since 4.8-2 seems to have fixes for macOS 12.0.1 Monterey, at least for Intel Macs. >>> >>> I'm not sure whether there are similar problems for the M1 Macs. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Peter >>> >>> On 27/10/21 10:42, gnucash.dgr9z at ncf.ca wrote: >>>> The latest GnuCash, 4.8, does not display properly on macOS Monterey (12.0.1). The main window only paints a solid black rectangle. Pop-ups only paint the title bar. >>>> >>>> Has anyone else experienced this? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From askaval7 at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 05:20:35 2021 From: askaval7 at gmail.com (Jacques Cronje) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 11:20:35 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Reports not displaying Message-ID: This morning, after entering some investment transactions manually, I wanted to look at the Portfolio report. Only showed a empty report. Selected different reports, accounts, dates but all the same. Version 4.8. Help appreciated. Jacques From frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 06:42:08 2021 From: frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com (Frank H. Ellenberger) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:42:08 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Reports not displaying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jacques, Am 28.10.21 um 11:20 schrieb Jacques Cronje: > This morning, after entering some investment transactions manually, ImI right in my guess that your OS is Windows? > I wanted to look at the Portfolio report. Only showed a empty report. define "empty": the whole pages shows only background colour; headers OK, rest mssing; ? > Selected different reports, accounts, dates but all the same. Version 4.8. Which stylesheet? > Help appreciated. > Jacques Regards Frank From askaval7 at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 06:56:41 2021 From: askaval7 at gmail.com (Jacques Cronje) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:56:41 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Reports not displaying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c3e35d3-fe88-b298-cc00-d60cb2bcc907@gmail.com> Hi Frank, Yes, Win 10. Empty as in blank white sheet, no headers etc. Only tab is showing, for example, "Cash Flow". Default stylesheet. Thanks, On 28 Oct 2021 12:42, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: > Hello Jacques, > > Am 28.10.21 um 11:20 schrieb Jacques Cronje: >> This morning, after entering some investment transactions manually, > ImI right in my guess that your OS is Windows? > >> I wanted to look at the Portfolio report. Only showed a empty report. > define "empty": > the whole pages shows only background colour; > headers OK, rest mssing; > ? > >> Selected different reports, accounts, dates but all the same. Version 4.8. > Which stylesheet? > >> Help appreciated. >> Jacques > Regards > Frank From anthony at dhdevelopment.co.uk Thu Oct 28 11:11:00 2021 From: anthony at dhdevelopment.co.uk (Anthony Hepple) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:11:00 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Default register column widths Message-ID: Hi The column widths of all my registers recently reverted back to the default and I now find myself resizing all columns every time I encounter a register that hasn't been viewed since the reversion occurred. Ideally, I'd like to modify the default register column widths but I can't find a config file that contains these settings. However, I have found the book_name.gnucash.gcm file in ~/.local/share/gnucash and can see how modified column widths are recorded, for a specific register. If I could generate a list of register IDs then I could generate a gcm file that at least covers all existing registers. Thanks in advance. -- Anthony H From mohavebaked at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 11:38:16 2021 From: mohavebaked at gmail.com (Chris Graves) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 08:38:16 -0700 Subject: [GNC] macOS Monterey Accessibility Issue Message-ID: <90062797-549C-4974-8D7D-2E45C8497212@gmail.com> With System Preferences->Accessibility->Keyboard->Enable Full Keyboard Access enabled, the tab key no longer moves between fields in the register. As a workaround, option-tab can be used. Does anyone else see this behavior using macOS Monterey? This is with Gnucash-Intel-4.8-2.dmg Thanks, Chris From mohavebaked at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 12:31:17 2021 From: mohavebaked at gmail.com (Chris Graves) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 09:31:17 -0700 Subject: [GNC] macOS Monterey Accessibility Issue In-Reply-To: <90062797-549C-4974-8D7D-2E45C8497212@gmail.com> References: <90062797-549C-4974-8D7D-2E45C8497212@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F1F8B47-21D2-4746-80C6-62CD36E81BE8@gmail.com> Whoops, I enabled the wrong preference, all is okay. My intention was to enable the capability of tabbing through dialog box fields and that is done not through the Accessibility pref, but through System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Use keyboard navigation to move focus between controls. Chris > On Oct 28, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Chris Graves wrote: > > With System Preferences->Accessibility->Keyboard->Enable Full Keyboard Access enabled, the tab key no longer moves between fields in the register. > > As a workaround, option-tab can be used. > > Does anyone else see this behavior using macOS Monterey? > > This is with Gnucash-Intel-4.8-2.dmg > > Thanks, > Chris From jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us Thu Oct 28 13:17:53 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.fremont.ca.us (John Ralls) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 10:17:53 -0700 Subject: [GNC] macOS Monterey Accessibility Issue In-Reply-To: <7F1F8B47-21D2-4746-80C6-62CD36E81BE8@gmail.com> References: <90062797-549C-4974-8D7D-2E45C8497212@gmail.com> <7F1F8B47-21D2-4746-80C6-62CD36E81BE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Full Keyboard Access in Monterey is different from and unfortunately quite incompatible with Use Keyboard Navigation since it changes the tab key?s behavior even in native apps like Apple Mail. It seems to require native AppKit UI controls, too: Turning it on and switching focus to GnuCash leaves the Full Keyboard Access on the last native app?s control even though keyboard focus has shifted to GnuCash. Regards, John Ralls > On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:31 AM, Chris Graves wrote: > > Whoops, I enabled the wrong preference, all is okay. My intention was to enable the capability of tabbing through dialog box fields and that is done not through the Accessibility pref, but through System Preferences->Keyboard->Shortcuts->Use keyboard navigation to move focus between controls. > > Chris > >> On Oct 28, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Chris Graves wrote: >> >> With System Preferences->Accessibility->Keyboard->Enable Full Keyboard Access enabled, the tab key no longer moves between fields in the register. >> >> As a workaround, option-tab can be used. >> >> Does anyone else see this behavior using macOS Monterey? >> >> This is with Gnucash-Intel-4.8-2.dmg >> >> Thanks, >> Chris > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From paul at kinzelman.com Fri Oct 29 12:06:57 2021 From: paul at kinzelman.com (Paul Kinzelman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:06:57 -0600 Subject: [GNC] editing memorized transactions Message-ID: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> ...or whatever gnucash calls them. When you start typing in a transaction, it fills out one that you've used in the past. Is there some way to edit or delete entries in this list? TIA! From paul at kinzelman.com Fri Oct 29 12:39:18 2021 From: paul at kinzelman.com (Paul Kinzelman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 10:39:18 -0600 Subject: [GNC] editing memorized transactions In-Reply-To: References: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> Message-ID: <9d0dc747-3bea-f76c-601b-7b9d5532b007@kinzelman.com> Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear, I'm not concerned about a single transaction, I'd like access to the table that holds the list of memorized transactions so I can delete or edit transactions in the list. some items have typos in them and I'd like to delete them, for instance. On 10/29/2021 10:34 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > Yes. > > > > Just type over what you want.? Or click on a split (line) and then > click on the delete menu item. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:08 Paul Kinzelman wrote: > > ...or whatever gnucash calls them. > > When you start typing in a transaction, it fills out one that you've > used in the past. > > Is there some way to edit or delete entries in this list? > > TIA! > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From jralls at ceridwen.us Fri Oct 29 12:42:49 2021 From: jralls at ceridwen.us (john) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:42:49 -0700 Subject: [GNC] editing memorized transactions In-Reply-To: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> References: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> Message-ID: <5D572E71-4110-42EE-ACEE-A221EE08525E@ceridwen.us> > On Oct 29, 2021, at 9:06 AM, Paul Kinzelman wrote: > > ...or whatever gnucash calls them. > > When you start typing in a transaction, it fills out one that you've > used in the past. > > Is there some way to edit or delete entries in this list? > > TIA! There's no separate list. You can edit or delete the previous transactions, but you probably don't want to unless there's a mistake that you want to fix. Regards, John Ralls From paul at kinzelman.com Fri Oct 29 13:17:51 2021 From: paul at kinzelman.com (Paul Kinzelman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:17:51 -0600 Subject: [GNC] editing memorized transactions In-Reply-To: References: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> <9d0dc747-3bea-f76c-601b-7b9d5532b007@kinzelman.com> Message-ID: <284a300c-e0d5-ce2d-850a-9ca2951f0576@kinzelman.com> Wow, I had no idea. I thought it kept track of them in a table someplace (like Quicken does), but a quick test seems to show what you said is how it works. Thanks a bunch! On 10/29/2021 10:51 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > I believe it simply looks backwards in that account's transactions to > find the most recent with the same description. > > Hence it is automatically updated with the most recent transaction > having that description. > > At least that has been my observation. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:41 Paul Kinzelman wrote: > > Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear, I'm not concerned about a single > transaction, > I'd like access to the table that holds the list of memorized > transactions so I can delete or edit transactions in the list. > > some items have typos in them and I'd like to delete them, > for instance. > > On 10/29/2021 10:34 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > > Yes. > > > > > > > > Just type over what you want.? Or click on a split (line) and then > > click on the delete menu item. > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:08 Paul Kinzelman > wrote: > > > >? ? ?...or whatever gnucash calls them. > > > >? ? ?When you start typing in a transaction, it fills out one > that you've > >? ? ?used in the past. > > > >? ? ?Is there some way to edit or delete entries in this list? > > > >? ? ?TIA! > > > >? ? ?_______________________________________________ > >? ? ?gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >? ? ?To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >? ? ?If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >? ? ?----- > >? ? ?Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >? ? ?You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Fri Oct 29 14:33:36 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 13:33:36 -0500 Subject: [GNC] editing memorized transactions In-Reply-To: <284a300c-e0d5-ce2d-850a-9ca2951f0576@kinzelman.com> References: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> <9d0dc747-3bea-f76c-601b-7b9d5532b007@kinzelman.com> <284a300c-e0d5-ce2d-850a-9ca2951f0576@kinzelman.com> Message-ID: GnuCash has a Scheduled Transaction feature when you want a transaction to reappear on a regular basis. On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 12:19 PM Paul Kinzelman wrote: > Wow, I had no idea. I thought it kept track of them in a table someplace > (like Quicken does), but a quick test seems to show what you said is how > it works. > Thanks a bunch! > > On 10/29/2021 10:51 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > > I believe it simply looks backwards in that account's transactions to > > find the most recent with the same description. > > > > Hence it is automatically updated with the most recent transaction > > having that description. > > > > At least that has been my observation. > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:41 Paul Kinzelman wrote: > > > > Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear, I'm not concerned about a single > > transaction, > > I'd like access to the table that holds the list of memorized > > transactions so I can delete or edit transactions in the list. > > > > some items have typos in them and I'd like to delete them, > > for instance. > > > > On 10/29/2021 10:34 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just type over what you want. Or click on a split (line) and then > > > click on the delete menu item. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:08 Paul Kinzelman > > wrote: > > > > > > ...or whatever gnucash calls them. > > > > > > When you start typing in a transaction, it fills out one > > that you've > > > used in the past. > > > > > > Is there some way to edit or delete entries in this list? > > > > > > TIA! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From paul at kroitor.ca Fri Oct 29 14:59:35 2021 From: paul at kroitor.ca (paul at kroitor.ca) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 14:59:35 -0400 Subject: [GNC] editing memorized transactions In-Reply-To: References: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> <9d0dc747-3bea-f76c-601b-7b9d5532b007@kinzelman.com> <284a300c-e0d5-ce2d-850a-9ca2951f0576@kinzelman.com> Message-ID: <0a0801d7ccf7$1dc299c0$5947cd40$@kroitor.ca> Both GnuCash and Quicken have the Scheduled Transaction feature. Quicken now calls it "Bill and Income Reminders", but it used to be called something more descriptive / less mealy-mouthed. What Paul (Kinzelman) is referring to is something separate, which Quicken calls "Memorized Payees". GnuCash does this on the fly by examining other entries in the register, but Quicken maintains a separate, editable list. A different Paul -----Original Message----- From: gnucash-user On Behalf Of David Carlson Sent: October 29, 2021 2:34 PM To: paul at kinzelman.com Cc: Gnucash Elist Subject: Re: [GNC] editing memorized transactions GnuCash has a Scheduled Transaction feature when you want a transaction to reappear on a regular basis. On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 12:19 PM Paul Kinzelman wrote: > Wow, I had no idea. I thought it kept track of them in a table > someplace (like Quicken does), but a quick test seems to show what you > said is how it works. > Thanks a bunch! > > On 10/29/2021 10:51 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > > I believe it simply looks backwards in that account's transactions > > to find the most recent with the same description. > > > > Hence it is automatically updated with the most recent transaction > > having that description. > > > > At least that has been my observation. > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:41 Paul Kinzelman wrote: > > > > Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear, I'm not concerned about a single > > transaction, > > I'd like access to the table that holds the list of memorized > > transactions so I can delete or edit transactions in the list. > > > > some items have typos in them and I'd like to delete them, > > for instance. > > > > On 10/29/2021 10:34 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just type over what you want. Or click on a split (line) and then > > > click on the delete menu item. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:08 Paul Kinzelman > > wrote: > > > > > > ...or whatever gnucash calls them. > > > > > > When you start typing in a transaction, it fills out one > > that you've > > > used in the past. > > > > > > Is there some way to edit or delete entries in this list? > > > > > > TIA! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnucash-user mailing list > > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > > ----- > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user at gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. From paul at kinzelman.com Fri Oct 29 17:44:01 2021 From: paul at kinzelman.com (Paul Kinzelman) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:44:01 -0600 Subject: [GNC] editing memorized transactions In-Reply-To: References: <44bdffa9-6997-1795-1959-12e8709aafa2@kinzelman.com> <9d0dc747-3bea-f76c-601b-7b9d5532b007@kinzelman.com> <284a300c-e0d5-ce2d-850a-9ca2951f0576@kinzelman.com> Message-ID: <45723333-5e40-4ff1-72b3-af651dfd485d@kinzelman.com> Thanks! I know about the scheduled one, already use it. Steve I think hit the nail on the head. I tried a little experiment and I think he's right. Thanks for your time! On 10/29/2021 12:33 PM, David Carlson wrote: > GnuCash has a Scheduled Transaction feature when you want a > transaction to reappear on a regular?basis. > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 12:19 PM Paul Kinzelman wrote: > > Wow, I had no idea. I thought it kept track of them in a table > someplace > (like Quicken does), but a quick test seems to show what you said > is how > it works. > Thanks a bunch! > > On 10/29/2021 10:51 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > > I believe it simply looks backwards in that account's > transactions to > > find the most recent with the same description. > > > > Hence it is automatically updated with the most recent transaction > > having that description. > > > > At least that has been my observation. > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:41 Paul Kinzelman > wrote: > > > >? ? ?Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear, I'm not concerned about a single > >? ? ?transaction, > >? ? ?I'd like access to the table that holds the list of memorized > >? ? ?transactions so I can delete or edit transactions in the list. > > > >? ? ?some items have typos in them and I'd like to delete them, > >? ? ?for instance. > > > >? ? ?On 10/29/2021 10:34 AM, Steve Butler wrote: > >? ? ?> Yes. > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?> Just type over what you want.? Or click on a split (line) > and then > >? ? ?> click on the delete menu item. > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 09:08 Paul Kinzelman > > >? ? ?wrote: > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?>? ? ?...or whatever gnucash calls them. > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?>? ? ?When you start typing in a transaction, it fills out one > >? ? ?that you've > >? ? ?>? ? ?used in the past. > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?>? ? ?Is there some way to edit or delete entries in this list? > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?>? ? ?TIA! > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?> ?_______________________________________________ > >? ? ?>? ? ?gnucash-user mailing list > >? ? ?> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >? ? ?>? ? ?To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >? ? ?> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >? ? ?>? ? ?If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >? ? ?> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more > information. > >? ? ?>? ? ?----- > >? ? ?>? ? ?Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >? ? ?>? ? ?You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >? ? ?> > >? ? ?_______________________________________________ > >? ? ?gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >? ? ?To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >? ? ?If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >? ? ?----- > >? ? ?Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >? ? ?You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From askaval7 at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 03:42:46 2021 From: askaval7 at gmail.com (Jacques Cronje) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 09:42:46 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Reports not displaying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65875189-ff81-93f3-086d-a669473fd665@gmail.com> Installed 4.7 and got same problem. Tried all the stylesheets. Must be something in my data file? On 28 Oct 2021 12:42, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: > Hello Jacques, > > Am 28.10.21 um 11:20 schrieb Jacques Cronje: >> This morning, after entering some investment transactions manually, > ImI right in my guess that your OS is Windows? > >> I wanted to look at the Portfolio report. Only showed a empty report. > define "empty": > the whole pages shows only background colour; > headers OK, rest mssing; > ? > >> Selected different reports, accounts, dates but all the same. Version 4.8. > Which stylesheet? > >> Help appreciated. >> Jacques > Regards > Frank From frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com Sat Oct 30 05:26:19 2021 From: frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com (Frank H. Ellenberger) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:26:19 +0200 Subject: [GNC] Reports not displaying In-Reply-To: <65875189-ff81-93f3-086d-a669473fd665@gmail.com> References: <65875189-ff81-93f3-086d-a669473fd665@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6aa33214-25bd-1d41-db2e-90a3b6e7531d@gmail.com> Hi Jacques, Am 30.10.21 um 09:42 schrieb Jacques Cronje: > Installed 4.7 and got same problem. Tried all the stylesheets. Must be > something in my data file? no, 4.7 is a "bad" version. It seems you somehow managed to set foreground colour = background colour (white). Unfortunately for you GnuCash is using Cascaded stylesheets (CSS), so there are many places where you can have misconfigured your reports. As I am not familiar with Windows, read the section https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Customizing_the_Appearance and linked pages. But perhaps someone else can chime in? Regards Frank From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 13:32:33 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 12:32:33 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Trouble installing Strawberry perl Message-ID: I am trying to install Perl with the script in the GnuCash program folder in Windows 10. I accidentally forgot to use administrator rights the first time, repeated with rights, but it fails with error Input error: Could not find script file "C:\Windows\system32\getperl.vbs". I also found that the https://strawberryperl ... download page is inaccessible, one needs to use a different route to download strawberry Perl 5.32.1.1 32 or 64 .msi. Can someone help me get out of this rabbit hole? From hellvee at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 15:31:35 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 05:31:35 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Trouble installing Strawberry perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Seems like the StrawberryPerl web page is back up, suggest you give it another shot. Cheers David H. On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 03:33, David Carlson wrote: > I am trying to install Perl with the script in the GnuCash program folder > in Windows 10. I accidentally forgot to use administrator rights the > first time, repeated with rights, but it fails with error Input error: > Could not find script file "C:\Windows\system32\getperl.vbs". > > I also found that the https://strawberryperl ... download page is > inaccessible, one needs to use a different route to download strawberry > Perl 5.32.1.1 32 or 64 .msi. > > Can someone help me get out of this rabbit hole? > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 15:49:04 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 14:49:04 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Trouble installing Strawberry perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you David. I tried the Install online price retrieval for GnuCash script again and it still gives the error about the missing .vbs file. Do you know how that file is supposed to be created? On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 2:31 PM David H wrote: > David, > > Seems like the StrawberryPerl web page is back up, suggest you give it > another shot. > > Cheers David H. > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 03:33, David Carlson > wrote: > >> I am trying to install Perl with the script in the GnuCash program folder >> in Windows 10. I accidentally forgot to use administrator rights the >> first time, repeated with rights, but it fails with error Input error: >> Could not find script file "C:\Windows\system32\getperl.vbs". >> >> I also found that the https://strawberryperl ... download page is >> inaccessible, one needs to use a different route to download strawberry >> Perl 5.32.1.1 32 or 64 .msi. >> >> Can someone help me get out of this rabbit hole? >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> > From hellvee at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 15:53:21 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 05:53:21 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Trouble installing Strawberry perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nope, just rebooted into Win 10 Pro to have a look as I've got SB perl installed there and I don't have that file either. May be temporary during installation,suggest you check under Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Programs and Features and see if it thinks it's partially installed? If so, remove and start again... Cheers David H. On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 05:49, David Carlson wrote: > Thank you David. I tried the Install online price retrieval for GnuCash > script again and it still gives the error about the missing .vbs file. Do > you know how that file is supposed to be created? > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 2:31 PM David H wrote: > >> David, >> >> Seems like the StrawberryPerl web page is back up, suggest you give it >> another shot. >> >> Cheers David H. >> >> >> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 03:33, David Carlson >> wrote: >> >>> I am trying to install Perl with the script in the GnuCash program folder >>> in Windows 10. I accidentally forgot to use administrator rights the >>> first time, repeated with rights, but it fails with error Input error: >>> Could not find script file "C:\Windows\system32\getperl.vbs". >>> >>> I also found that the https://strawberryperl ... download page is >>> inaccessible, one needs to use a different route to download strawberry >>> Perl 5.32.1.1 32 or 64 .msi. >>> >>> Can someone help me get out of this rabbit hole? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> From hellvee at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 15:55:02 2021 From: hellvee at gmail.com (David H) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 05:55:02 +1000 Subject: [GNC] Trouble installing Strawberry perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also remove C:\Strawberry folder after uninstall if anything left around? Cheers David H. On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 05:53, David H wrote: > Nope, just rebooted into Win 10 Pro to have a look as I've got SB perl > installed there and I don't have that file either. May be temporary during > installation,suggest you check under Control Panel\All Control Panel > Items\Programs and Features and see if it thinks it's partially installed? > If so, remove and start again... > > Cheers David H. > > > On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 05:49, David Carlson > wrote: > >> Thank you David. I tried the Install online price retrieval for GnuCash >> script again and it still gives the error about the missing .vbs file. Do >> you know how that file is supposed to be created? >> >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 2:31 PM David H wrote: >> >>> David, >>> >>> Seems like the StrawberryPerl web page is back up, suggest you give it >>> another shot. >>> >>> Cheers David H. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 03:33, David Carlson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am trying to install Perl with the script in the GnuCash program >>>> folder >>>> in Windows 10. I accidentally forgot to use administrator rights the >>>> first time, repeated with rights, but it fails with error Input error: >>>> Could not find script file "C:\Windows\system32\getperl.vbs". >>>> >>>> I also found that the https://strawberryperl ... download page is >>>> inaccessible, one needs to use a different route to download strawberry >>>> Perl 5.32.1.1 32 or 64 .msi. >>>> >>>> Can someone help me get out of this rabbit hole? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> gnucash-user mailing list >>>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>>> ----- >>>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>>> >>> From foti.giuseppe at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 16:37:28 2021 From: foti.giuseppe at gmail.com (Giuseppe Foti) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 21:37:28 +0100 Subject: [GNC] Invoices' internal note is not reported in ledger Message-ID: <5ab2ad61-b2ba-b41d-c5ab-01764a0d96bb@gmail.com> Hi, I have noticed invoices internal notes are not reported in the general ledger (showed on 2 lines). It seems is not possible to insert a note in the ledger for transactions generated by invoices/bills, and this makes it impossible to generate a filtered view using notes as a tag or similar. I can insert notes (shown in the ledger) for any other transaction. Is there something I'm missing? From derek at ihtfp.com Sun Oct 31 16:47:08 2021 From: derek at ihtfp.com (Derek Atkins) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 16:47:08 -0400 Subject: [GNC] Invoices' internal note is not reported in ledger In-Reply-To: <5ab2ad61-b2ba-b41d-c5ab-01764a0d96bb@gmail.com> References: <5ab2ad61-b2ba-b41d-c5ab-01764a0d96bb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1f6e246396167c925e86003457a5fd51.squirrel@mail2.ihtfp.org> Hi, On Sun, October 31, 2021 4:37 pm, Giuseppe Foti wrote: > Hi, I have noticed invoices internal notes are not reported in the > general ledger (showed on 2 lines). > > It seems is not possible to insert a note in the ledger for > transactions generated by invoices/bills, and this makes it impossible > to generate a filtered view using notes as a tag or similar. > > I can insert notes (shown in the ledger) for any other transaction. > > Is there something I'm missing? When you post the invoice you can assign a memo, but no, there is no way to affect the Transaction->Note from an Invoice. The Invoice Notes are specifically for the invoice, not for the CoA Data. > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -derek -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 derek at ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant From cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 18:57:04 2021 From: cleanoutmyshed at gmail.com (Geoff) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 09:57:04 +1100 Subject: [GNC] Trouble installing Strawberry perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David Carlson The "getperl.vbs" script is a GnuCash file, not Strawberry: https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-windows/blob/master/extra_dist/getperl.vbs I am running GnuCash v4.8 on Windows 10 and it is located here: C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\ However, I recommend that you: (1) Install Strawberry Perl directly from https://strawberryperl.com/ and not via GnuCash. (2) Reboot. (3) Confirm that Perl is working: (3a) Command prompt (3b) perl -v (4) Install Finance-Quote from GnuCash, which uses the "gnc-fq-update" Perl script also located in C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\ Hope this helps. Regards Geoff ===== On 1/11/2021 6:49 am, David Carlson wrote: > Thank you David. I tried the Install online price retrieval for GnuCash > script again and it still gives the error about the missing .vbs file. Do > you know how that file is supposed to be created? > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 2:31 PM David H wrote: > >> David, >> >> Seems like the StrawberryPerl web page is back up, suggest you give it >> another shot. >> >> Cheers David H. >> >> >> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 03:33, David Carlson >> wrote: >> >>> I am trying to install Perl with the script in the GnuCash program folder >>> in Windows 10. I accidentally forgot to use administrator rights the >>> first time, repeated with rights, but it fails with error Input error: >>> Could not find script file "C:\Windows\system32\getperl.vbs". >>> >>> I also found that the https://strawberryperl ... download page is >>> inaccessible, one needs to use a different route to download strawberry >>> Perl 5.32.1.1 32 or 64 .msi. >>> >>> Can someone help me get out of this rabbit hole? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> ----- >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > From david.carlson.417 at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 22:26:22 2021 From: david.carlson.417 at gmail.com (David Carlson) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 21:26:22 -0500 Subject: [GNC] Trouble installing Strawberry perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After the manual installation following Geoff's suggestions I finally got to the point where GnuCash appeared to run FQ 1.51 and download today's prices ?? Then I noticed that this is still Sunday, which might explain why the latest saved prices are still from Friday. I guess I can move on to my next project. On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 5:57 PM Geoff wrote: > Hi David Carlson > > The "getperl.vbs" script is a GnuCash file, not Strawberry: > > > https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-windows/blob/master/extra_dist/getperl.vbs > > I am running GnuCash v4.8 on Windows 10 and it is located here: > C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\ > > However, I recommend that you: > (1) Install Strawberry Perl directly from https://strawberryperl.com/ > and not via GnuCash. > (2) Reboot. > (3) Confirm that Perl is working: > (3a) Command prompt > (3b) perl -v > (4) Install Finance-Quote from GnuCash, which uses the "gnc-fq-update" > Perl script also located in C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\ > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > > Geoff > ===== > > On 1/11/2021 6:49 am, David Carlson wrote: > > Thank you David. I tried the Install online price retrieval for GnuCash > > script again and it still gives the error about the missing .vbs file. > Do > > you know how that file is supposed to be created? > > > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 2:31 PM David H wrote: > > > >> David, > >> > >> Seems like the StrawberryPerl web page is back up, suggest you give it > >> another shot. > >> > >> Cheers David H. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 03:33, David Carlson > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I am trying to install Perl with the script in the GnuCash program > folder > >>> in Windows 10. I accidentally forgot to use administrator rights the > >>> first time, repeated with rights, but it fails with error Input error: > >>> Could not find script file "C:\Windows\system32\getperl.vbs". > >>> > >>> I also found that the https://strawberryperl ... download page is > >>> inaccessible, one needs to use a different route to download strawberry > >>> Perl 5.32.1.1 32 or 64 .msi. > >>> > >>> Can someone help me get out of this rabbit hole? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> gnucash-user mailing list > >>> gnucash-user at gnucash.org > >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > >>> ----- > >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > >>> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user at gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > ----- > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > >