[GNC] Exiting GNUCash (David Carlson)
Kalpesh Patel
kalpesh.patel at usa.net
Tue Jan 18 14:51:33 EST 2022
I do use Google drive to keep backup copy but I am mindful that I "sync" the GNC directory from static location from my C: drive to Google Drive as part of my startup process (mirror via a BAT script in Startup folder using RoboCopy - Win 10 still has startup folder to throw things in there 😊) when I fire up the computer. This way I always know either I am missing the full set of manually entered data from the last session or it has everything. You have to be mindful that Google Drive, OneDrive and many other online drives are eventual consistent as opposed to synchronous replication type so you have to account for that gap as it can lead to bad results. I also encrypt my sensitive data that gets stored in Google Drive using CryptSync which can do bi-directional (it discerns which file is latest and replicate accordingly for each file protected under a folder). Since most, if not all, of my transactions are downloaded in OFX format, it is not too difficult to bring up to current state if it goes out of state.
>From what I know is that Google Drive, OneDrive and other online drives will write lock protect the file for the duration of transmission to and from their servers - this is just normal operation of how async replication works as those drive apps wants to make sure that copy is exact bit for bit. Once transmission is completed and you save the file, you are actually overwriting the previous file that was there (as opposed to modifying portion of it) and then it will go in this "lock" mode again while it is transmitting hence it is not a good ideas, IMHO, as this cycle will repeat every time there is change, including one bit matadata change like time stamp updates. If you X'ed out from the program while GNC lock file was locked by the Google drive or OneDrive for synching in this manner, then it never was really removed and when you go into GNC you will see that message show up as chances are that online drive program may have replicated that tiny file back by the time you launched GNC.
On the linux systems, the file cache is the culprit in the behavior if something like that happens. Normally linux systems is very aggressive in caching files where it will use almost all of the free physical memory available and if the file is small enough it most likely is working from the memory copy even though it was pulled from ufs/xfs file system and you wrote it (via save) multiple times - it never potentially made it to the hard drive platters but Google Drive or OneDrive will synch it up to their servers and then when you fire it up again, it will get synced down to your local system and will display that window as well.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:19:32 -0600
From: David Carlson < <mailto:david.carlson.417 at gmail.com> david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
To: Gyle McCollam < <mailto:gmccollam at live.com> gmccollam at live.com>
Cc: " <mailto:gnucash-user at gnucash.org> gnucash-user at gnucash.org" < <mailto:gnucash-user at gnucash.org> gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Exiting GNUCash
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Good. I would still like to hear from others about their experience with using GnuCash and OneDrive together.
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 11:15 AM Gyle McCollam < <mailto:gmccollam at live.com> gmccollam at live.com> wrote:
> David, thanks for the prompt response. I have used it this way for
> years and it used to work. Fortunately, I don't usually forget to save first.
> When I do save, I have no issues.
>
> Thank You,
> *Gyle McCollam*
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
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> *From:* David Carlson < <mailto:david.carlson.417 at gmail.com> david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:01 PM
> *To:* Gyle McCollam < <mailto:gmccollam at live.com> gmccollam at live.com>
> *Cc:* <mailto:gnucash-user at gnucash.org> gnucash-user at gnucash.org < <mailto:gnucash-user at gnucash.org> gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Exiting GNUCash
>
> That is an issue with the way you have your file system organized, but
> it is not necessarily bad or wrong, just an artifact, I think. I do
> not use OneDrive or equivalent yet myself because I have not decided
> how to manage that very issue of the lag while background updates are
> happening to my data file storage system.
>
> You are getting that lock warning because your OneDrive has not caught
> up with you yet. If you open anyway, you are burdening the OneDrive
> with more work to keep the data intact, and I do not know if it can
> handle that, thus I do not try it. Perhaps other users of that type
> of arrangement can give us their experience.That is probably also the
> cause of the Save Changes warning. That may actually lose your recent
> work just as warned. Again, perhaps others have experience with OneDrive.
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:38 AM Gyle McCollam < <mailto:gmccollam at live.com> gmccollam at live.com> wrote:
>
> David, Hopefully I can clarify what is happening. I did not abandon
> an edit. I finished an entry, but clicked on the "x" to shutdown
> before saving. Included is a screenshot of a test entry that was
> completed (see last line). Then, I clicked on the "x" to shutdown and
> the dialogue popped up.
> I seem to remember that "cancel" brought you back into GNUCash and "save"
> atctually save the current state of the file. Now, it doesn't matter
> which option I choose it, I think it crashes GNUCash. Then on the
> next startup it tells me:
>
> I select "Open Anyway" and the test entry is gone. I hope this make
> it more clear.
>
>
> Thank You,
> *Gyle McCollam*
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
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> <mailto:gmccollam at live.com> gmccollam at live.com < <mailto:gmccollam at gyleshomes.com> gmccollam at gyleshomes.com> email
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> *From:* David Carlson < <mailto:david.carlson.417 at gmail.com> david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2022 8:46 PM
> *To:* Gyle McCollam < <mailto:gmccollam at live.com> gmccollam at live.com>
> *Cc:* <mailto:gnucash-user at gnucash.org> gnucash-user at gnucash.org < <mailto:gnucash-user at gnucash.org> gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [GNC] Exiting GNUCash
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> It is not clear what you think happened. It seems that more than one
> thing did not transpire as you expected, since abandoning an edit, the
> presumed cause of the shutdown without saving warning, and the attempt
> to open a file already in use are different events.
> Then how did you ascertain that, in fact, GnuCash did not save. What,
> exactly did it not save? Did you allow sufficient time for GnuCash to
> actually complete the entire shutdown? Sometimes it takes a really
> long time to shut down. For example, when Linux decides to put some
> of GnuCash's virtual RAM onto hard drive swap space, it may take over
> a minute for the OS to recover and close the open file.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 6:04 PM Gyle McCollam < <mailto:gmccollam at live.com> gmccollam at live.com> wrote:
>
> I usually don't forget to save first so I don't know how long this has
> been happening. Today I didn't save, so when the dialogue box came
> up, I selected "cancel". GNUCash shutdown without saving and when I
> tried to open it thought there was another instance running, but I
> said open anyway. I tested this again with the same result. Then I
> tried it again, this time telling the system to save. It shut down
> again, but it did not save! I got the same message about the file already in use.
>
> Has anyone else encounter this error? I am using Win11 and GNUCash 4.9.
>
>
> Thank You,
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> 609.680.2326 Mobile
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