[GNC] When will verion 5.13 be fixed to allow bills to be paid without crashing?

Fri Oct 24 12:08:25 EDT 2025

Yes, you succeeded in copying the list.

You haven’t shown the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d: Those files contain the repositories from which apt gets packages. You’ve probably added ppa:gnucash/+archive/ubuntu/ppa: The package names in your apt-upgrade output are consistent with the PPA packages at https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/ while official Ubuntu packages don’t have the “~ubuntu2404” suffix. PPAs are community-created packages, not official Ubuntu ones. Big picture it doesn’t really matter to anyone but you how you got 5.13. It’s installed, it doesn’t work for you, and you need to back it out.

If there’s an archive of old .deb or PPAs out there I can’t find it, so it seems that your downgrade choices are the official 5.5 for 24.04 or 5.10 for 25.04. 25.10 picks up 5.13 that you’re already at. A discussion about downgrading can be found at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/545815/what-is-the-correct-way-to-downgrade-apt-package-and-dependencies.

Distribution packages are the responsibility of distributions, and generally include dependency requirements that tie them to a particular version of a particular distribution. That’s why the PPA gnucash that you installed has the ~ubuntu02404 suffix and there are other packages with different suffixes on the PPA page. Maintaining the infrastructure to create packages for even the major distributions would be overwhelming.

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Oct 23, 2025, at 20:28, Keith Myers <keith.myers at att.net> wrote:
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> I don't know how to do that.  Could you please educate me how to copy the list when I reply to this message.
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> The only repo I have is the one provided by Ubuntu 24.03.LTS as shown in my prior reply.  The apt policy gnucash command shows that 1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404 -1 comes up when polling for what is available from the distro.
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> I got upgraded on 10-04-2025 via the teminal with an apt update.
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> When I discovered the problem with 5.13 and scheduled payments I tried to go back to 5.12 but the distro had expunged that version and only provided the new 5.13.
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> Thank you for providing the location of the nightly builds.  But dismayed that it only has Windows and Flatpak versions.  I was looking for my original Debian installation package for version 5.12.  I don't see any Debian deb packages in the nightly builds directory.
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> I don't see how you can contradict my statement that I was automatically updated from debian version 5.12 to version 5.13 when I have provided you the terminal history logs showing exactly that was what happened.
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> Taking a shot that I might have figured out how to copy to the list.  Hope it the correct way.
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> On Thursday, October 23, 2025 at 07:44:10 PM PDT, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
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> Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
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> What apt repo is providing 5.13? Ubuntu’s package search shows only 5.5-1 for 24.04 for noble main, any section: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble&section=all and nothing in noble-backports: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble-backports&section=all and noble-updates: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnucash&searchon=names&suite=noble-updates&section=all
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> If you’ve enabled a third-party or community repository that provides newer releases that’s fine, but in that case you shouldn’t claim that Ubuntu automatically updated you.
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> The nightly builds are at https://code.gnucash.org/builds/flatpak/stable. See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak#Nightly_Test_Versions_at_gnucash.org  for installation instructions.
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> Regards,
> John Ralls
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>> On Oct 23, 2025, at 18:29, Keith Myers <keith.myers at att.net> wrote:
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> I believe you are mistaken.  My Ubuntu release identifies as:
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> $ lsb_release -a
> No LSB modules are available.
> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
> Description: Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS
> Release: 24.04
> Codename: noble
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> My distro package manager apt for Ubuntu 24.04.3 LTS provides the 5.5 and 5.13 Gnucash packages now.  Prior to the automatic upgrade of Gnucash, the distro was providing Gnucash 5.12 and the 5.5 packages.  I was on 5.12 and was updated automatically to 5.13 and that was when Gnucash broke and I was unable to pay scheduled bills.
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> $ apt policy gnucash
> gnucash:
>   Installed: (none)
>   Candidate: 1:5.5-1.2build1
>   Version table:
>      1:5.13-0build1~ubuntu2404 -1
>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>      1:5.5-1.2build1 500
>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu noble/universe amd64 Packages
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> I have installed the flatpak 5.13 version which is broken still for running scheduled payments without instant crashing.  I discovered that I have to intall the 5.13 flatpak version first before downgrading to the 5.12 flatpak commits which gets bill payments working again. I see that the 5.12 commit installed the 1.66 F:Q module and it runs without breaking now.  The prior attempt to run one of the 5.12 commits installed the 1.65 F:Q module and that was broken for retrieving quotes.
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> I have looked for the nightly builds you speak of but I have not been able to find them.  Could you please be more specific to their actual location other than https://code.gnucash.org/
> I don't have the required knowledge to build the source code myself and only have been able to install pre-built packages, either Debian or Flatpak.
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> On Thursday, October 23, 2025 at 05:49:32 PM PDT, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us <mailto:jralls at ceridwen.us>> wrote:
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> > On Oct 23, 2025, at 10:56 AM, Keith Myers <keith.myers at att.net <mailto:keith.myers at att.net>> wrote:
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> > Ever since my Ubuntu 24.04 distro automatically upgraded me from my previously eminently stable version 5.12 to the new version 5.13 I have been unable to pay any of my scheduled bills.  The program instantly exits with a crash.
> > I have been advised to install to install the Flatpak version 5.13 but this too has the same exact problem of crashing when you attempt to pay a scheduled bill.
> > I have only been able to downgrade the Flatpak version 5.13 to and older 5.12 commit  and that has allowed me to pay my bills.
> > But the unfortunate side effect is that this 5.12 version has broken Finance:Quote version 1.67 so I an now unable to pull any of my security quotes.
> > When will this fiasco with the official stable 5.13 be resolved?
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> Your Ubuntu 24.04 didn’t automatically upgrade you to GnuCash 5.13. Ubuntu doesn’t do that with GnuCash, so 24.04 provides only the version of GnuCash that was available in April 2024, 5.5: https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/gnucash.
> The latest Ubuntu release, 25.10 “Questing Quokka” has GnuCash 5.13. Perhaps that's what you’re actually running.
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> Next, the 5.12 flatpak didn’t break F::Q 1.67, it doesn’t *have* F::Q 1.67, it has 1.65. Flatpak sandboxing means that the flatpak has to contain F::Q and all of its dependencies, so it gets what was current when it was built.
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> That aside, once a release is done, it’s done. We may repackage it—I did so for flatpak a couple of days ago because the original Gnome Runtime was obsolete—but GnuCash 5.13 is what it is. GnuCash 5.14 will be along in a little over 8 weeks. In the meantime you can either go back to 5.12, install the latest flatpak nightly build from GnuCash GIT, Wiki, and Email List/Archive Server <https://code.gnucash.org/> or build GnuCash stable from source. That latest flatpak nightly also has F::Q 1.67.
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> Regards,
> John Ralls
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> GnuCash GIT, Wiki, and Email List/Archive Server
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