2007-12-02 GnuCash IRC logs

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07:31:34 <rob_quill> hi all. i was wondering if there is a way in GNUCash to kind of amortize the cost of something over a long time, e.g. say I have an expenses account "gifts", and in this account there is quite a bit of stuff bought in a short period, but as it is for someone's birthday, it only comes once a year, so when look at graphs of my expenses, I would like to be able to say "spread what is in this account evenly over the whole year"
07:31:58 <rob_quill> cos otherwise it looks like a spent a massive disproportionate amount in one week :)
07:33:37 <andi5> huh? then buy the gifts evenly over the whole year ;-) ... i suppose i do not really understand that question
07:46:09 <cortana> you could transfer the money into an asset account (to represent the gifts being in your posession) at the point of purchase, and later transfer the money from the asset account to expenses:gifts
07:46:20 <cortana> i don't really see the point though
07:55:18 <rob_quill> andi5: to explain, suppose I am trying to see how much i spend in a week, then if one week I buy an expensive gift, i guess what I want to see is the average I spend in a week/month/whatever
07:56:27 <andi5> rob_quill: so do you want to know how much you spent in a week or rather in a month?
07:57:27 <rob_quill> yeah, i am looking at what I spend in a week, but I'd also like to know the average I spend it a week, without having the get the calculator out ;) is there a way to do that?
07:59:15 <andi5> why do not you change the step size of the expense report accordingly then? it is only one three clicks away :)
07:59:54 <rob_quill> what do you mean? change it to months and then divide it by 4?
08:00:37 <rob_quill> to get average weekly expense
08:01:39 <andi5> hm... do you want to see 4 bars with the same value, i.e. the average weekly expense, for each month?
08:02:29 <andi5> oh, i mean the total month expense, divided by the number of days in that month, multiplied by 7
08:03:28 <andi5> rob_quill: honestly, what is the problem with that peak? it is a peak just because, well... it should be one... from my point of view :-D
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08:05:55 <rob_quill> ok :) i just thought there might be a way to say "What is the average amount i spent per unit time across this time period on these accounts" automatically
08:08:01 <andi5> i do not think there is such a thing... but feel free to modify the reports to make them suit your needs :)
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08:09:48 <rob_quill> cool, thanks for your help
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09:05:18 <dave> I'm really struggling getting a UK VAT to work correctly.. can somebody help me?
09:06:32 <andi5> dave: i can only pin-point you to http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_use_GnuCash_to_calculate_VAT.3F
09:09:25 <dave> andi5: yeah https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2003-July/007526.html isn't much help.. but thanks
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09:27:09 <kling0n> hello :) I was wondering where I can find some documentation about to create a new report type. I am running a small business in Denmark and I need to do quarterly reconciliations of incoming and outgoing sales taxes. To simplify this i'd like to be able to generate a report splitting all transactions in my tax liability account on quarters. Any Idea ho I could do this ?
09:27:13 <kling0n> ho=how
09:30:20 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
09:30:42 <andi5> hiho jsled :)
09:31:13 <andi5> jsled: one tiny question: is there any reason the log domain for app-utils is gnc.app-util?
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09:31:35 <jsled> as opposed to?
09:31:40 <andi5> gnc.app-utils
09:31:45 <jsled> Oh. Heh.
09:31:47 <jsled> No
09:31:58 <andi5> 5 minutes of my life time ;-)
09:32:08 <jsled> oh. :( :)
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09:32:53 <andi5> any objection if i changed this someday?
09:33:11 <jsled> naw, go for it.
09:33:16 <andi5> hiho warlord!
09:33:35 <warlord> good morning
09:34:16 <warlord> I've been tracking down an annoying problem.. When you reconcile and it pops up the interest window, it doesn't pre-populate the "other" (income/expense) account with the previous setting.
09:35:01 <andi5> jsled: oh, and for something completely different, it seems that log.conf has higher priority than command line parameters... is that intended behavior?
09:35:26 <andi5> warlord: did you fix it? :)
09:35:39 <jsled> I'm not sure if that was intentional, either way. As you mention it, it should clearly be the reverse; the command-line should override config.
09:35:47 <andi5> 'k
09:36:07 <warlord> andi5: no, not yet.. I just tracked down the place where it (doesn't) set it.
09:37:04 <jsled> hmm. Yeah, just exchanging the order of the two blocks at the end of src/bin/gnucash-bin.c:gnc_log_init should do the trick.
09:37:22 <andi5> that is better than what i have achieved so far... i am looking at critical warnings about sxinstance->variable_names being NULL in the slr
09:37:24 <andi5> jsled: yep
09:38:18 <warlord> I DID track down why the reconcile credit-card auto-payment didn't always work.. So I added a "sort" in the "GetSplits" call. I need to commit that.
09:40:04 * andi5 still has to read about 100 emails to be up-to-date :( ... and i really need to sit down examing the advanced portfolio stuff andrew made up
09:45:55 <kling0n> jsled: thanks... i guess i'll have write something from scratch then :9
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09:51:56 <jsled> andi5: re: <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499788>, you might want a different target milestone; I don't think 2.3.x is quite right. :)
09:52:12 <andi5> is 2.3.0 better?
09:52:24 <jsled> no, I don't think so. Why not 2.2.2?
09:52:40 <andi5> that is a completely different question, see my comment :)
09:52:58 <jsled> oh. nevermind.
09:53:07 <jsled> Sorry. I'll commune with my coffee.
09:53:09 <andi5> this is your chance to shout :)
09:54:01 <warlord> Ahhhhhhhh!
09:54:09 <andi5> lol
09:55:06 <andi5> btw, did you come up with a long-term solution to the GType->string conversion problem?
09:56:30 <warlord> g_type_get_name()?
09:56:59 <andi5> very long term ;-)
09:57:29 <warlord> actually: g_type_name()
09:57:46 <andi5> ouch... that one exists indeed
09:59:51 <warlord> I mostly caught up with gnucash-changes on my flight(s) yesterday.. Down to 40 (from 550)
10:00:08 <andi5> nice
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10:03:49 <warlord> Granted, I mostly slept on the planes. I COMPLETELY slept on the first one.
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11:47:34 <andi5> jsled: would you mind reviewing a patch for me? i can commit first if you want
11:51:19 <jsled> andi5: sure. either way.
11:52:13 <andi5> http://pastebin.ca/803773 ... i am entering a bug right now
11:52:57 <andi5> (somehow this is not my first patch of the kind)
11:53:39 <jsled> What happened on lines 159/160?
11:53:53 <jsled> nevermind
11:53:57 <jsled> (trailing whitespace)
11:54:01 <andi5> ah, right
11:54:13 <andi5> the lines before that were strangely indented (emacs...)
11:54:22 <jsled> yeah, seems right and good.
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11:56:27 <CptofMySoul> Hi everyone!
11:56:32 <jsled> hello
11:57:01 <andi5> one minor and i hope it is correct... see lines 37/38 ... i assumed that i need not _ref_sink (or _ref, gtk_object_sink) GObjects that do not own a floating ref (i.e., objects that are not instances of GInitiallyUnowned)
11:57:42 <andi5> at least that made the model go away... :-D
11:57:46 <jsled> Hmm.
11:58:20 <CptofMySoul> I just updated Gnucash on my PowerBook G4 Mac using Macports. I had a lot of problems getting the Guile dependency to work out so that Gnucash would build, but I finally got it to go through the whole process. Now, though, when I start Gnucash, I get the splash screen and the tip-of-the-day, but it bombs out before starting the program. This is what the back trace gives:
11:58:37 <CptofMySoul> gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time.
11:58:37 <CptofMySoul> Backtrace:
11:58:37 <CptofMySoul> In current input:
11:58:37 <CptofMySoul> 1: 0* [gnc:reldate-initialize]
11:58:37 <CptofMySoul> In /opt/local/share/gnucash/scm/date-utilities.scm:
11:58:38 <CptofMySoul> 844: 1* [gnc:make-reldate-hash #(() () () () ...) (# # # # ...)]
11:58:39 <jsled> CptofMySoul: please pastebin if it's more than a couple of lines.
11:58:39 <CptofMySoul> 382: 2 (map (lambda (reldate) (hash-set! hash # reldate)) reldate-list)
11:58:46 <andi5> CptofMySoul: www.pastebin.ca, please
11:59:47 <CptofMySoul> Sorry... http://www.pastebin.ca/803786
12:00:12 <warlord> are you using guile-1.6 or guile-1.8?
12:00:33 <andi5> guile> map -> #<primitive-procedure map>
12:00:52 <warlord> See http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSX/MacPortsDetail#guile_1.8.1
12:01:00 <jsled> andi5: Well, the model is just a gobject ... created with g_object_new. So, IIRC, it's created with a ref.
12:01:27 <andi5> yes, but does not that happen within g_object_new()?
12:01:30 <jsled> So, I guess the dialog can just take that object/ref with itself.
12:01:41 <jsled> And only needs to unref it, as you do in the dialog closer.
12:01:48 <andi5> cool :)
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12:02:43 <andi5> please excuse my break in :)
12:03:56 <andrewsw> mornin' boys.
12:04:08 <warlord> hiya andrewsw
12:04:20 * warlord is thinking he should go try to find breakfast..
12:04:34 <andrewsw> you're all chipper on a sunday morning!
12:04:42 <warlord> I've been up for 3 hours.
12:04:43 <CptofMySoul> Without either Guile installed, the way I got Gnucash to build is with sudo port install gnucash -guile16 .
12:05:01 <warlord> CptofMySoul: did you read that wiki entry I linked above?
12:05:01 <CptofMySoul> And it installs Guile 1.8 on its own.
12:05:23 <andi5> andrewsw: i am up since 6am :)
12:05:26 <andrewsw> definitely time to eat then warlord.
12:05:29 <CptofMySoul> Yes, but I couldn't get it to work. Following that, I get "Guile can't be found on this system" errors.
12:05:42 <warlord> andi5: me too! (it's 9am now)
12:05:56 <andrewsw> warlord: on the west coast?
12:06:00 <andi5> warlord: the difference probably is that this is rather unusual for me =)
12:06:03 * warlord nods
12:06:14 <warlord> andrewsw: in Vancouver right now.
12:06:36 <andrewsw> that's almost spittin' distance
12:06:56 <CptofMySoul> What is this supposed to do? map -> #<primitive-proceedure map . It generated a lot of errors in guile>.
12:08:45 <warlord> andrewsw: Oh? Where are you? I'll be in YVR all week.
12:09:24 <andrewsw> spokane wa
12:09:25 <CptofMySoul> I'm happy to go through the wiki instructions again and give you the play-by-play if you think that will help.
12:09:25 <warlord> CptofMySoul: map is a guile primitive function that, well, maps input to output. It allows you apply a procedure to all your input.
12:10:05 <warlord> Ah, so not quite as close as Seattle.
12:10:15 <andrewsw> nope. are you BC or stateside?
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12:11:46 <warlord> BC
12:11:46 <CptofMySoul> Here are the results: http://www.pastebin.ca/803798
12:12:12 <warlord> CptofMySoul: just type: map
12:12:30 <warlord> It looks like it's there..
12:12:35 <CptofMySoul> #<primitive-generic map>
12:12:45 <warlord> Right, so "map' exists now.
12:12:53 <warlord> Try rebuilding gnucash?
12:13:36 * warlord is heading to get food. BIAB.
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12:13:46 <andrewsw> why would replacing (display foo) with (gnc:debug foo) cause a report to crash?
12:13:52 <CptofMySoul> OK, I'll follow the instructions here: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSX/MacPortsDetail#guile_1.8.1 and let you know the guile error I get.
12:13:52 <andrewsw> eat well warlord-afk
12:17:23 <CptofMySoul> Incidentally, this is interesting. When I try to uninstall g-wrap, Macports says it wasn't installed.
12:18:03 <andrewsw> gwrap has been replaced with swig
12:19:58 <andrewsw> atleast in context of gnucash dependencies.
12:20:05 <CptofMySoul> IC
12:21:19 <andi5> even better, swig is only needed when building from svn, g-wrap even tarball-builds :-D (we will never stop saying that)
12:22:02 <andrewsw> ? "g-wrap even tarball-build"?
12:22:19 <andi5> even for
12:22:25 <andi5> i am sorry
12:22:58 <andrewsw> I see.
12:24:58 <CptofMySoul> OK, my fresh gnucash install is building guile16 now.
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12:27:44 <andi5> andrewsw: in case you are about to edit those files in emacs, i (and probably jsled) can only recommend the nxml-mode to you :-D
12:28:27 <andi5> ok, i am out... see you
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12:29:05 <andrewsw> @tell andi5 nxml-mode... thanks.
12:29:05 <gncbot> andrewsw: The operation succeeded.
12:32:44 <CptofMySoul> OK, here's the whole flow: http://www.pastebin.ca/803824
12:33:11 <CptofMySoul> It bombs when trying to find guile even though it clearly installs guile16 earlier.
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12:38:46 <andrewsw> CptofMySoul: I don't know mac, but I think you've got an slib problem
12:39:07 <andrewsw> my understanding is that slib should be installed after guile so that it can register guile properly.
12:39:11 <andrewsw> but that's a shot in the dark.
12:40:20 <CptofMySoul> Well, now. Funny you should say that. Because if I go install guile 1.8 manually, I can get past the guile check but it bombs on SLIB. Says that SLIB isn't installed on the system.
12:40:50 <jsled> One usually needs to insatll slib after guile, so that it can register with guile.
12:41:04 <jsled> So, if you installed slib, then changed guile, the new guile might not be aware of slib anymore.
12:41:31 <andrewsw> I see you removed slib-guil16 as part of that paste. maybe reinstall that?
12:41:59 <CptofMySoul> OK, I'll reinstall slib-guile16 and then retry the gnucash build.
12:43:47 <andrewsw> oh this is so frustrating. I had this report working yesterday, changed nothing (I swear!) and now it bombs
12:43:56 <CptofMySoul> It bombs on the staging: http://www.pastebin.ca/803836
12:44:55 <andrewsw> sorry, out of my league.
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12:55:31 <andrewsw> sorry, out of my league.
12:55:31 <CptofMySoul> It seems someone else has the same trouble: http://www.nabble.com/-13319%3A-slib-guile16-install-fails-tf4821550.html#a13794031
12:56:11 <CptofMySoul> Thanks for your suggestions anyway.
12:56:29 <andrewsw> have you posted this on gnucash-user?
12:56:54 <andrewsw> one of the David's knows lots about mac and can surely help.
12:57:01 <warlord> CptofMySoul: I'd need to see the config.log.
12:57:11 <warlord> andrewsw: David Reiser, but he's a Fink guy.
12:57:30 <CptofMySoul> No, I haven't posted it yet.
12:57:44 <CptofMySoul> Where would I find the config.log?
12:58:11 <warlord> I have no clue.. wherever it's building gnucash.
12:58:58 <warlord> perhaps /opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_gnome_gnucash/work/gnucash-2.2.1
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13:00:39 <CptofMySoul> Here it is: http://www.pastebin.ca/803854
13:00:43 <edgy> Hi
13:01:27 <edgy> I want to print a monthly report with income, expenses and profits, how can I do this in guncash?
13:02:18 <andrewsw> edgy: Income statement
13:02:32 <edgy> andrewsw: thanks a lot I will try it now ...
13:05:35 <andrewsw> edgy: that report is due to get a lot faster in the next stable... :)
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13:06:29 <edgy> andrewsw: that's a nice. However, If I want to print the income statement for each month in the year, I need to do it 12 times, right?
13:06:38 <edgy> andrewsw: I prefer if there is an easier way ;)
13:07:20 <andrewsw> sorry, there is not.
13:08:44 <edgy> andrewsw: no problem then, but do you think my request is logic?
13:09:27 <andrewsw> sounds like you want a report that can sub-total by months.
13:09:37 <andrewsw> creating a separate column for each month?h?
13:09:54 <andrewsw> if so, then yes. That would be nice.
13:10:29 <andrewsw> THere is the "custom multi-column report" which can do soemthing similar, but I don't consider it any easier than just printing each one separately. ymmv
13:11:21 <edgy> andrewsw: yes
13:11:49 <edgy> andrewsw: thanks for your help
13:11:58 <andrewsw> you're welcome.
13:12:35 <andrewsw> warlord: s/ACCT_TYPE_ASSET/ACCT-TYPE-ASSET/ has highlighted all kinds of bugs...
13:12:43 <andrewsw> weee...
13:13:16 <warlord> heh
13:16:23 <warlord> We probably should have (gnc:account-is-asset acc) and (gnc:account-is-liability acc) functions available to abstract out the lists.
13:17:15 <andrewsw> that would be nice. one to add to the list.
13:17:29 <andrewsw> how many pages of To-Do's are you up to now? heh...
13:22:04 <andrewsw> (not (or ACCT-TYPE-EXPENSE ACCT-TYPE-INCOME)) is just much easier...
13:23:07 <andrewsw> since *someone* (ahem) used ACCT-TYPE-EQUITY for the test file.
13:24:06 <warlord> heh.
13:24:25 <warlord> probably (not (or ACCT-TYPE-EXPENSE ACCT-TYPE-INCOME ACCT-TYPE-ROOT))
13:24:45 <andrewsw> sheesh.
13:25:21 <warlord> heh
13:26:43 <andrewsw> what I can't figure out is why ACCT_TYPE_* didn't bother throwing errors til now.
13:27:50 <andrewsw> ooh. spinoff a stock but enter no price and its price shows in terms of the *other* stock.
13:27:56 <andrewsw> That's actually kinda cool.
13:28:05 <warlord> ummm....
13:28:11 <warlord> Hmm.
13:28:19 <andrewsw> The value of IBM expressed in terms of VSE. heh.
13:28:29 <edgy> sirs, on my main account registery page there is a status bar in the bottom that says: Grand Total (blank), Assets 17,283.40, Profits: 17,283.60, Why there is a difference between assets and profits, please?
13:32:59 <warlord> timing?
13:33:01 <warlord> Expenses?
13:36:05 <edgy> warlord: sorry? how is expenses related please?
13:36:38 <edgy> warlord: I put all my money as Cash on Assets
13:37:08 <edgy> warlord: I thought profits is (income - expenses) and this should equal my assets, no?
13:37:30 <warlord> Profit = Income - Expense
13:37:42 <warlord> No, it doesn't necessarily equal your assets.
13:37:58 <warlord> Because you also have to consider Liabilities and Equity.
13:41:15 <edgy> warlord: I have no liabilities and no equity
13:41:49 <warlord> different currencies
13:41:50 <warlord> ?
13:41:55 <edgy> warlord: oh! wait, I have liablities
13:42:05 <warlord> aha!
13:42:06 <warlord> :)
13:42:42 * warlord watches the pretty snow fall outside my window.
13:43:15 <andrewsw> yeah me too.
13:43:17 <andrewsw> days of it here.
13:45:06 <andrewsw> well, that enough for me. Have a nice day everybody.
13:46:52 <warlord> how much do you have on the ground?
13:47:04 <andrewsw> about 5 or 6 inches
13:47:26 <warlord> it's barely sticking here
13:47:28 <andrewsw> light snow off and on for at least 5 days or so.
13:47:47 <andrewsw> you've got that warm water (heh, don't swim in it) keeping the temps up.
13:48:04 <andrewsw> We're running lows in the mid-teens for at least a week.
13:48:26 <andrewsw> and that's pretty mild for us.
13:48:54 <andrewsw> be sure to catch some on your tongue warlord!
13:48:59 <andrewsw> :)
13:49:01 <andrewsw> later.
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14:34:08 <warlord> time to start packing up.. later gaters.
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15:36:38 <BallisticBanana> Hey there! Anyone around to give me some advice on GnuCash?
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16:34:52 <torsten> Hello, I'm pretty new to GnuCash. Does it support a script language the creation of reports? THX for your answer
16:45:55 <fell> torsten: it is scheme, some lisp dialect.
16:48:14 <torsten> fell: How do I create a new report with it? Where is the script file in the filesystem?
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16:54:22 <fell> torsten: many questions, did you have a look in the different dokus? BTW, do you prefer german or english?
17:00:24 <fell> long time ago, I wrote something in german here:http://linuxwiki.de/GnuCash#head-4773e968487560625df36392f6431de071d40f8b
17:02:06 <torsten> fell: Well, I'm german. Is my english that bad, that is is obvious :-) Yes, I looked in the documentation, but didn't find much information about scripting. I'm coming from "Quicken" because I need more flexible ways to report and to categories (to account :-)
17:02:40 <fell> No, the IP
17:08:45 <torsten> Danke schön. I didn't see that before. I will have a deeper look in report generation tomorrow. A last question, if you don't object, is it possible to import transactions via HBCI (or something else) and to assign the accounts based on regular expressions or a piece of scheme code?
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17:14:30 <fell> HBCI for online banking is possible (both directions). there is also some bayes algorithm. I remeber some discussion also on the german mailing list http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.apps.gnucash.german
17:17:38 <torsten> Ok fell. Thank you very much for you help. Good night and see you.
17:17:54 <fell> CU, torsten
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17:48:40 <dave> trunk automake errros: http://pastebin.com/m24387c6b
17:48:44 <dave> any idea?
17:56:44 <warlord> dave: you dont have gconf-devel installed
17:56:49 <warlord> configure.in:51: warning: macro `AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2' not found in library
17:58:49 <dave> I did google that line.. but didn't find much
18:00:31 <dave> libgconf2-dev <-- was the missing package
18:00:34 <dave> thanks warlord
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18:10:19 <warlord> you're welcome.
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20:33:58 <fell> "the business features are all currently single-currency" is still actual?
20:36:22 <fell> s/actual/current state/
20:46:05 <jsled> yes.
20:47:08 <fell> thx
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22:20:55 <sorush20> hi anyone here can discuss this?
22:21:03 <sorush20> http://www.austintek.com/gnucash/ncsa-gnucash-talk-4.html
22:24:34 <jsled> what about it?
22:30:49 <sorush20> what is retained earnings?
22:32:21 <sorush20> I want to know how do I pay the and take money out of a company and record it.. the money is going to the owner as wages and profit
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22:34:25 <jsled> gncbot: tell sorush20 retained earnings is well-defined by a cursory wikipedia search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retained_earnings
22:34:25 <gncbot> jsled: The operation succeeded.
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