2009-01-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:45:49 <jss> Trying to install gnc-fq-update and got this: linux-edq7:/home/jss/.gnucash # gnc-fq-update
10:45:50 <jss> "my" variable $input masks earlier declaration in same scope at /usr/bin/gnc-fq-update line 62.
10:45:50 <jss> WARNING: This program updates several Perl packages to untested latest
10:45:50 <jss> versions from CPAN. It could potentially cause unexpected failures
10:45:50 <jss> in any program or future upgrade problems.
10:45:50 <jss> It is strongly recommended NOT TO USE this program and report possible
10:45:54 <jss> problems with parsing of stock quotes to http://bugzilla.novell.com/
10:45:56 <jss> Do you want to continue? (y/n)
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11:10:26 <joslwah> andrewsw, Are you andi5? And if so I have a crash bug for you from your last checkin.
11:11:51 <joslwah> In current svn, selecting a Reports-Budget-something core dumps.
11:12:06 <joslwah> I suspect it is because I don't have any budgets set, but still, it should't do that.
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12:11:07 <felle> joslwah, andrewsw <> andi5
12:12:02 <robtaylor> hey all. I'm just looking at using Gnucash for my business accounts. I was wondering if there's anyone who offers contract development in case we hit any important bugs or need new features.
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12:15:19 <robtaylor> paulproteus__: dude! how's tricks?
12:17:29 <fell> jss: until now you are using some Novell-Suse packages, if you proceed you will use original cpan package.
12:17:38 <fell> fq version?
12:22:51 <fell> joslwah: which changeset do you suspect?
12:33:17 <joslwah> Sorry, was afk. I'll check.
12:34:04 <joslwah> fell, assuming I've got the right bit of magic: http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/trunk@17829 57a11ea4-9604-0410-9ed3-97b8803252fd
12:35:15 <joslwah> I suspect one or probably more of the new reports doesn't check for a budget existing, but I haven't looked into budgets so am not sure.
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13:05:05 <fell> Ah, the new submenu? (my machine is making)
13:05:27 <joslwah> fell, Yep.
13:05:48 <joslwah> At least, that's my guess. I haven't found any info on budgets anywhere, otherwise I might test.
13:08:26 <fell> it seems to be the big patch from f. bond on ml at 2008-01-03
13:15:07 <fell> Yep, some reports assume there is a budget, but if none is defined, they crash GC.
13:16:37 <fell> Could you file this in respone of https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2009-January/024630.html?
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13:18:58 <fell> and link to http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2009/01/2009-01-19.html#T11:10:26
13:23:49 <joslwah> O.k. Will do.
13:24:03 <fell> thx
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13:26:02 <fell> OT: I'm not shure, if they checked the existence before.
13:28:07 <joslwah> fell, Done.
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13:34:49 <fell> joslwah, you ansered to all or only andi5?
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13:36:09 <joslwah> fell, Erm, I don't understand your last comment.
13:36:59 <fell> mail to:andi5 or gnucash-devel
13:37:55 <joslwah> Oh, I just entered it into the bugzilla. andi5 got assigned it, since it was a report issue.
13:38:23 <fell> bog nr?
13:38:34 <joslwah> 568327
13:42:17 <fell> but andi5 is only the maintainer, could you also inform the author Forest e.g. by forwarding the bugzilla mail?
13:43:25 <fell> fbond?
13:43:47 <joslwah> I _think_ I have an e-mail address, but not sure.
13:43:49 <joslwah> Will try it.
13:44:21 <fell> If I am right, fbond is watching us.
13:44:57 <joslwah> Might be.
13:49:10 <joslwah> Well, I've forwarded it on to him anyway.
13:53:44 <fell> OT: Mechtilde, danke für mechtilde.de, das hat mir schon oft geholfen.
13:56:03 <MechtiIde> for what?
13:56:14 <fell> your website
13:57:19 <MechtiIde> which topic?
13:57:55 <fell> Moving from MS-Access to OOO.
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14:05:40 <mulicheng> I've been playing around with OFX data this morning. As near as I can tell, there is no field in the OFX file for the transaction category. Does anyone know any better?
14:05:55 <mulicheng> Apparently the older QIF files had this data capability.
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14:49:33 <warlord> mulicheng: you're right, because OFX isn't meant as a data storage but as an interchange.. How would your bank have any idea what category you want to use?
14:49:53 <mulicheng> That's actually what I expected.
14:50:51 <mulicheng> But someone was asking so I promised to at least get a 2nd opinion.
14:51:00 <warlord> ok
14:51:48 <mulicheng> Is it true that QIF data contained this functionality?
14:51:52 <warlord> Yes
14:51:59 <mulicheng> That's what I thought.
14:52:04 <warlord> Because QIF was the original Quicken data format.
14:52:17 <warlord> (even though the acronym is "Interchange")
14:52:29 <warlord> Anyways, gotta run.
14:52:31 <warlord> Lunchtime
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14:52:39 <mulicheng> thanks
15:10:59 <fell> I am just courious, which encoding is allowed in src/engine/iso-4217-currencies.scm. ASCII-7 or more?
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15:38:13 <fell> ... and where we use the name of the subunit.
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15:52:33 <jss> fell: thanks-- ran it. Got this message: Make had returned bad status, install seems impossible
15:52:33 <jss> Guess I need to mess around and see what happens next. Cheers
15:53:06 <KaiForce> is this channel for general support of GnuCash, or dev, or what?
15:53:23 <cortana> KaiForce: both really
15:53:41 <KaiForce> cortana: excellent, thanks.
15:54:00 <fell> jss sudo make install?
15:55:50 <KaiForce> don't have any questions - yet - but just in case! I'm a victim (benficiary?) of quicken's "sunsetting" policy and GnuCash seems to be the best option. So far it is working great - a lot more intuitive than Quicken.
16:01:42 <jss> sorry dealing w. a newbie? can you be more specific?
16:02:26 <fell> you must be root for updating system files.
16:03:09 <fell> to change to root for just one command you can use sudo ...
16:04:05 <fell> e.g. sudo gnc-fq-update
16:04:27 <jss> can do on root. good at that. just unsure of what to do with make install. I've been running gnucahs for a while. Just exploring to get security prices updated
16:04:43 <fell> But do you really need to update FQ?
16:05:13 <fell> Wich version are you running? 1.15 was still current last nite.
16:05:17 <jss> just to clarify---I was root when I ran gnc-fq-update
16:05:54 <jss> don't know. I know I want to get current stock/fund prices. Am I barking up the wrong tree?
16:06:08 <fell> Ahem, which OS are you using?
16:06:42 <jss> opensuse 11
16:07:46 <fell> gnc-fq-update is for updating of the program FQ, not the quotes.
16:08:52 <fell> just enter gnc-fq-dump, to get some info of your prog version
16:09:36 <jss> Usage: /usr/bin/gnc-fq-dump <quote-source> [-v] <stock> [<stock> ...]
16:09:36 <jss> Available sources are:
16:09:36 <jss> tsp vwd financecanada yahoo_nz australia usa troweprice france amfiindia nasdaq usfedbonds bmonesbittburns aex_options yahoo_asia troweprice_direct tiaacref canada yahoo seb_funds yahoo_brasil fidelity aiahk greece dwsfunds yahoo_australia unionfunds finland lerevenu asia indiamutual hex brasil asegr deka nyse canadamutual fidelity_direct asx tdwaterhouse fool trustnet ftportfolios_direct uk_unit_trusts dutch ftportfolios tdefu
16:09:36 <jss> nds nzx za aex_futures fundlibrary stockhousecanada_fund aex yahoo_europe nz vanguard bourso europe platinum maninv
16:11:37 <fell> that are the available data sources. which do you want to use?
16:14:11 <fell> e.g.: gnc-fq-dump yahoo EURUSD=X
16:19:25 <fell> another low-level program for testing sources and symbols is echo '(yahoo_europe "A0GFY7.SG")' | gnc-fq-helper
16:21:23 <fell> but usually you should simply use in GC Tools->Security-Editor to define, which quotes you wish.
16:23:10 <fell> Create or select a commodity and check "get online quotes", select a source, a symbol ...
16:25:06 <fell> and in tools->price editor click "Get quotes".
16:27:28 <jss> I'll check it out. I think I have more research to do to understand how it all works. I have GOOG as a stock and I figured the latest price would show up in the valuation somewhere. Not sure I am up to speed on how it works
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16:56:51 <edmont> hi
16:56:59 <edmont> how can i add a certificates of deposit?
16:57:23 <mulicheng> You can use accounts in GnuCash however you like.
16:57:27 <edmont> it cant be so difficult, but i dont find the way
16:57:37 <mulicheng> Just add an account under Assets and name it CD
16:58:05 <edmont> mulicheng: but how i stablish teh interest and date?
16:58:49 <mulicheng> When you receive interest, add a new transaction to your account where you debit the account for the amount of interest received and credit an income:interest account (which you need to create also)
16:59:24 <mulicheng> you cd account will then show old_balance+interest as the balance
16:59:36 <mulicheng> and your income:interest account will show you earned the interest amount.
16:59:46 <edmont> ah, ok
16:59:46 <edmont> i have to do it manually
16:59:46 <edmont> right
17:00:13 <mulicheng> yeah, the scheduled transactions can't use existing account balances as inputs to figure out interest amounts
17:00:23 <edmont> i thought i could "program" it
17:00:46 <mulicheng> there is a mortgage amortization function that can work on an initial loan amounts but you'd have to be very careful to get it right to work with positive interest etc.
17:01:24 <mulicheng> I'm not sure you could get it to work.
17:01:43 <mulicheng> but if your bank supports downloading OFX data, you may be able to download the transactions automatically.
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18:29:59 <gbrethen> having problems with gnucash 2.2.8 and ofx backend?
18:30:14 <gbrethen> CRIT <gnc.import.hbci> gnc_hbci_getbalance_finish: Oops, response == NULL
18:30:20 <gbrethen> any ideas?
18:30:25 <gbrethen> opensuse 11.1
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18:32:11 <warlord> my guess: AqB error.
18:34:12 <fell> aqBanking version? Some console output?
18:35:24 <gbrethen> guide me through this...I am a noob!
18:35:34 <gbrethen> aqbanking version 2.2.6
18:37:26 <gbrethen> ...aqbanking-2.3.3-105.46
18:37:53 <fell> GC & AqB from the official distri or some other repos?
18:38:19 <gbrethen> official
18:38:22 <gbrethen> WARN <gnc.import.hbci> gnc_hbci_debug_outboxjob: Job status: finished
18:39:10 <gbrethen> aqbanking and ofx work fine, when setting up through the wizard, it retrieved listing of my accounts.
18:39:36 <gbrethen> problem occurs when I try to retrieve balance or transactions
18:40:58 * fell scans some german mailing lists ...
18:41:04 <gbrethen> tried to compile GC from source, get configure error claiming can't find aqbanking ver > 1.6 < 2.9
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18:50:19 <warlord> sorry, i've never really used the OFX importer.
18:53:06 <fell> ofx? I think, gbrethen uses hbci? or ofx over aqbanking?
18:55:11 <gbrethen> ofx through aqbanking
18:55:50 <gbrethen> I think the problem is with gnucash using the backend
18:57:08 <gbrethen> always get error executing backend's queue (continue/abort)
18:57:43 <fell> LibOFX installed?
18:57:53 <gbrethen> yes
18:58:17 <gbrethen> libofx-0.9.0-93.2
19:07:14 <fell> Suse 11.1 has only GC 2.2.7, so you tried to compile 2.2.8 self or used some repo?
19:08:23 <gbrethen> no, the new version is on suse now from online
19:09:35 <fell> ah, suse-update?
19:09:45 <gbrethen> removed everything, trying frsh install
19:09:51 <gbrethen> fresh
19:11:27 <fell> good idea! I would assume some version conflict.
19:14:17 <gbrethen> no luck
19:14:23 <gbrethen> gnucash 2.2.7
19:14:37 <gbrethen> ofx backend 2.2.3
19:15:04 <gbrethen> always success getting accounts, so I know ofx is working
19:17:50 <fell> something interesting in /tmp/gnucash.trace ?
19:19:00 <gbrethen> CRIT <gnc.backend.file> commodity_ref_to_dom_tree: assertion `c' failed
19:19:16 <gbrethen> <gnc.import.hbci> gnc_hbci_debug_outboxjob: Job status: finished
19:19:37 <gbrethen> WARN <gnc.import.hbci>
19:19:52 <gbrethen> CRIT <gnc.backend.file> commodity_ref_to_dom_tree: assertion `c' failed
19:19:58 <gbrethen> thats it...
19:21:04 <fell> are there logs of the other used modules?
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19:22:05 <gbrethen> where would I find those?
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19:30:34 <gbrethen> ok, I can import an ofx file
19:30:36 <fell> I don't know. Bat could you run it again with some higher loglevel?
19:31:01 <gbrethen> from the file | import menu
19:32:15 <fell> yes file import is one thing and ofx over aqbanking another
19:33:38 <gbrethen> any ideas?
19:38:03 <fell> it is not really my ressort. could you scan https://lists.gnucash.org/search/?query=OFX+and+aqbanking&submit=Search%21&max=20&result=normal&sort=date%3Alate&idxname=gnucash-devel?
19:40:35 <fell> or has warlord some idea?
19:42:17 <warlord> I'm sorry. I don't. David Resiser would be the guy to talk to.
19:42:35 <fell> or aquamaniac
19:48:37 <fell> warlord, today I watched cheque printing to pdf is always eating the first letter of the description.
19:49:53 <warlord> fell: OS/Distro? GnuCash version?
19:50:00 <fell> svn
19:50:56 <fell> I never used the feature before, so I don't know ...
19:51:14 <gbrethen> checking for aqbanking >= 3.0.0 gwenhywfar... no
19:51:31 <gbrethen> trying to configure from source gnucash 2.2.8
19:51:49 <gbrethen> I installed aqbanking3
19:53:09 <warlord> gbrethen: did you install the -devel (or -dev) package?
19:54:36 <gbrethen> no, guess I need to do that first
19:57:00 <gbrethen> configure: error: Cannot find libgoffice
19:57:07 <warlord> gbrethen: same thing.
19:57:17 <warlord> gbrethen: what OS/Distro?
19:57:44 <fell> gbrethen, http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building has some hints.
19:58:24 <gbrethen> opensuse 11.1
19:59:36 <warlord> oh.
20:01:24 <fbond> fell: Hi, got the message regarding bug #568327. I will look into it as soon as I have time.
20:01:50 <fbond> Just got back in from being out of town. It may take me a day or two .
20:01:55 <gbrethen> k, now it is progressing through
20:02:59 <fell> fbond, thx!
20:17:14 <fell> gbrethen, just found http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2#Enabling_the_OFX_Log
20:18:29 <fbond> fell: Are you the reporter of that bug?
20:18:36 <gbrethen> ok, configured 2.2.8 successfully, but now I get errors with the make?
20:20:09 <fell> No, joslwah found it and I confirmed.
20:21:58 <gbrethen> *** [swig-core-utils.lo] Error 1
20:21:58 <gbrethen> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/gbrethen/Downloads/gnucash-2.2.8/src/core-utils'
20:21:58 <gbrethen> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
20:21:58 <gbrethen> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/gbrethen/Downloads/gnucash-2.2.8/src'
20:21:58 <gbrethen> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
20:21:59 <gbrethen> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/gbrethen/Downloads/gnucash-2.2.8'
20:22:01 <gbrethen> make: *** [all] Error 2
20:22:11 <fell> please use pastebin
20:22:59 <gbrethen> whats pastebin?
20:23:55 <fell> e.g. http://pastebin.ca/
20:25:08 <gbrethen> http://pastebin.ca/1312973
20:27:45 <fell> Oh, nothing before that?
20:29:29 <fell> you made ./autogen.sh ; ./configure --enable-ofx --enable-aqbanking ; make
20:30:06 <gbrethen> I did not do ./autogen.sh?
20:30:33 <gbrethen> let me do that, and then redo ./configure
20:31:13 <gbrethen> ./autogen.sh: No such file or directory
20:31:56 <gbrethen> I did not get this from svn
20:32:04 <gbrethen> I got src from gnomecash
20:33:07 <fell> autotools installed?
20:34:33 <gbrethen> let me chk
20:36:16 <gbrethen> autotools doesn't show up in my package manager?
20:38:15 <gbrethen> what could it be called?
20:38:21 <fell> automake, intltool, libtool
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20:41:59 <gbrethen> libtool is installed!
20:44:14 <fell> and the other stuff mentioned in wiki/Building, dependencies ...
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20:54:36 <gbrethen> gtkhtml2, says requires gtkhtml3, but I don't have gtkhtml3 for my distro?
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20:58:03 <fell> rev 2 requires rev 3? I never heard about such direction of a dependency.
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20:59:20 <gbrethen> no, gnucash requires 3, I have 2
21:00:25 <warlord> You can have both 2 and 3
21:00:30 <warlord> They can co-exist
21:00:43 <gbrethen> swig seems to have the problem in make?
21:00:54 <gbrethen> there is no rev 3 for my distro
21:01:28 <warlord> gbrethen: I'm sure there is a gtkhtml version 3.
21:01:43 <warlord> Unless you're running slackware.
21:01:53 <warlord> it might be "gtkhtml"
21:05:22 <gbrethen> gtkhtml2-3.25.4-18.9
21:05:31 <gbrethen> is what I have
21:05:36 <warlord> HUH?!?
21:05:42 <warlord> WEIRD!
21:05:54 <warlord> Do you have the gtkhtml2-devel package installed?
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21:31:09 <fell> @tell warlord the my cheque printing bug is in kpdf.
21:31:09 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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