Guide Investment selling examples

David Carlson david.carlson.417 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 3 10:33:12 EDT 2016


Nice.!

I would like to keep the ability to do capital gains either way, as I like
keeping all the info in one transaction.

David C

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:24 AM, David T. <sunfish62 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> David C.,
>
> It seems to me that we are all in agreement regarding the note about
> multiple display issues; to that end, I have submitted bug 769457 with a
> recommendation about what that note should be, and where it should be
> placed.
>
> Chris was hoping to rewrite the capital gains section to reduce confusion
> by using separate transactions for the sale and the gain. With regard to
> the question of gain on the Advanced Portfolio Report, I’ve been using the
> Scrub Lots function for some time now (which creates separate gains
> transactions), and it appears that the gains are included there. Whether it
> is fully accurate, I can’t say with certainty, as the APR includes
> everything in the GnuCash file, which for me is over 10 years’ data, and I
> don’t track my gains that way.
>
> David T.
>
> On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:31 PM, David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Chris,
> I do not object to the change but take care to note that the so-called
> double entry only appears when the transaction is viewed from the security
> account or viewed in any account with multiple split lines for the "home"
> account within the transaction along with the difference between the single
> line view vs double line view.  Also name the current release (2.6.13 and
> earlier) here, as somewhere down the road that may change, possibly at the
> 2.8 release or soon thereafter.
>
> The reason that the capital gain was historically in an additional split
> line of the sale transaction was (IIRC) because the advanced portfolio
> report needed it to be that way to report capital gains correctly.  I
> believe that requirement has been eliminated in the last round of
> improvements to that report, but correct me if I am wrong.  I have not
> tested that.
>
> David C
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:07 AM, Chris Good <chris.good at ozemail.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: John Ralls [mailto:jralls at ceridwen.us]
>> > >> Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2016 9:25 AM
>> > >> To: Chris Good <chris.good at ozemail.com.au>
>> > >> Cc: gnucash-devel at gnucash.org
>> > >> Subject: Re: Guide Investment selling examples
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Jul 28, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Chris Good <chris.good at ozemail.com.au>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Why do the images in the Guide seem to duplicate the sale
>> transactions.
>> > >> I.e.
>> > >>> in the attached, there seems to be 2 transactions for 03/21/2006 but
>> > >>> the no of shares balance indicates there is only 1?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Is this something an old version used to do?  If so, this must be
>> > >>> very confusing to new users. Should I redo these screen shots?
>> > >>
>> > >> No, the screen shot is correct. It can indeed be a bit confusing.
>> > >>
>> > >> There are two transaction entries because the transaction has two
>> > >> splits,
>> > > one
>> > >> for "Gross Sale" and the other for "Profit" (i.e. capital gain). It's
>> > >> done
>> > > this way
>> > >> to tie together the two parts of the transaction; it doesn't have to
>> > >> be
>> > > and if
>> > >> you use the Scrub Lots function it isn't; that makes two transactions
>> > >> and
>> > > uses
>> > >> the lot slots to tie them together.
>> > >>
>> > >> Read carefully Chapter 8 a couple of times and it should start to
>> > >> make
>> > > sense.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> John Ralls
>> > >
>> > > Hi John,
>> > >
>> > > Ah! As you say, it's because there are 2 splits to the stock account
>> > > in the same transaction, and the register is in Auto-Split view.
>> > > Basic view does similar.
>> > > I'd forgotten it does this because I just about always use Transaction
>> > > Journal view.
>> > >
>> > > The Help manual says: Basic Ledger: The default one line per
>> > > transaction style.
>> > >
>> > > This is confusing UI and I think I should document it.
>> > > I think the screen shots should also be in Transaction Journal view or
>> > > should mention why there appears to be duplicate transactions.
>> > > Is anyone still working on the new register?
>> > >
>> > > I'm currently working on documenting using Lots with investments.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Chris Good
>> >
>> > From: David T. [mailto:sunfish62 at yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2016 5:20 PM
>> > To: Chris Good <chris.good at ozemail.com.au>
>> > Cc: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>; gnucash-devel at gnucash.org
>> > Subject: Re: Guide Investment selling examples
>> >
>> > Chris,
>> >
>> > I agree that this is a confusing situation. In fact, in my own books, I
>> have
>> > decided to avoid such double-split entries by reporting each aspect as a
>> > seprate transaction—that is, I create the sale transaction, and then I
>> create a
>> > separate transaction for the Gain or loss. This makes it possible to
>> have the
>> > descriptions match my expectation, and makes it easier for me to figure
>> out
>> > what the register is showing me.
>> >
>> > This problem does come up with new users, and so a brief note (perhaps
>> in
>> > the section that explains transactions) that informs users that a single
>> > transaction will appear in a register as many times as there are splits
>> for that
>> > account.
>> >
>> > An additional idea might be to rewrite the capital gain section to show
>> the
>> > two aspects (the sale and the gain) as separate transactions. That would
>> > clarify the process for new users, I think.There would still need to be
>> the
>> > note above, and I imagine a note explaining that the user can enter the
>> > transaction as a single, multi-spilt entry.
>> >
>> > David T.
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> I agree.
>> Anybody have any problems with the sale documentation being changed to
>> show the capital gain transaction as a separate transaction from the sale,
>> and explaining this is needed if scrubbing may be used in future?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris Good
>>
>>
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