The Latest trouble
gnucash at kevinbroderick.com
Tue Jun 20 16:04:08 EDT 2006
(my responses to edited email are inline)
On 20 Jun 2006, at 1:42 PM, David T. wrote:
> Since you want this on the list...
> As I am not a developer, but a user, I didn't think to search the
In my experience, it's fairly common to make the leap from checking a
-users list to a -devel list when attempting to get things working on
the bleeding edge. The -users list is certainly a good place to
start, but -devel tends to be necessary when you start getting into
new platforms and/or pre-release software. To make this easier from
a search perspective, the mailing list search page defaults to both -
user and -devel.
> Well, DUH, I turned on unstable in Fink and it doesn't show. I
> thought that if
> I turned on the unstable tree, I'd see 1.9. See my note above (the
> part about
> not being a developer). Furthermore, I don't finking understand how
> you expect
> me to "get that [1.9] working" if your own goddamned website tells
> me that
> installing the application and its dependencies is best handled by
> fink, and
> then your finking application won't finking show in fink?
I think this is fairly clear in the wiki--you can use fink to get the
dependencies, but you need to grab GnuCash from svn if you want to
install 1.9.x on OS X. If it's not, I would appreciate comments on
how I might clarify the wiki page to avoid further confusion.
> And I will not go into the wiki and add pages, because the only
> pages I would
> add at this point are strictly negative and would not be helpful.
Actually, in this case, a polite negative note on the OSXInstallation
page was probably appropriate, and I have added one. You have
encountered a known problem with dependencies
> You say that the problem is with Fink. You're wrong there--the
> problem is with
> the packages that won't compile under Darwin, which is exacerbated
> by the fact
> that Fink gets behind the times on all these packages.
Other people have reported success with compilation under OS X on
Intel, although none have managed to successfully use the
application. In short, either the packages or their fink ports
contain bugs that appear only in OS X on Intel-based Macs, and those
issues will (hopefully) be resolved by the package maintainers as
they are able to get to them.
> I understand that this
> all is qualifies as a Big Change in the OS X world, and am game to
> try to find
> a solution, if I can. But GnuCash's developers don't help things by
> the secrecy
> around the GnuCash dependencies.
I fail to see how the dependencies are in any way secret. fink finds
them just fine for 1.8, and I was able to compile 1.9.x based on the
list of dependencies listed in the MacOSXInstallation wiki page. As
I wrote that page, I would certainly welcome any corrections (I
didn't take the time to start with a clean fink install, so it is
entirely possible that I missed a package or two that I already had
> I'll finish where I started, Derek: I'm trying to be a USER. I'm
> trying to
> follow the website's directions for getting GnuCash to run for me
> so that I can
> USE it. All I really want is to be able to USE GnuCash.
Unfortunately, no one has yet had success doing so under OS X on
Intel. I'm sorry that wasn't clear in the wiki, and I hope it is
now; if anyone has any corrections for my note in the wiki, please
feel free to add them. I do not have a MacIntel system to test with
(although I'd be happy to take one for testing purposes; anyone who
would like to may contact me backchannel for a mailing address).
> --- Derek Atkins <warlord at MIT.EDU> wrote:
>> Please CC the list on all replies...
>> "David T." <sunfish62 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>> 1) I read the archives. Most threads about Mac OS X date from
>>> early 2005 or
>>> earlier. Pre-Intel.
>> Did you read the -devel archives, too? This has been discussed much
>> in the last couple weeks.
>>> 2) Fink refuses to find 1.9
>> Well, DUH! 1.9 is still only a release candidate. But you're still
>> more likely to get that working.
>>> 3) I read the archives. You said on the 16th of June 2006 that
>>> work" on MacIntel boxes. At this point, I guess I'd have to agree
>>> with you.
>>> if that's true, why don't you just put that on the website? Then
>>> Mac users
>>> me could skip ahead and buy Quicken.
>> Again, if you'd read the archives you'd know that right now we can't
>> update the website due to technical difficulties. We're hoping to
>> remedy those difficulties ASAP, but it's been a multi-month process.
>> You ARE correct that the wiki doesn't say anything, either. You're
>> welcome to update that yourself.
>>> I have been quite frustrated by GnuCash. I believe that others
>>> could really
>>> benefit from a little clearer information with regard to the
>>> and needs.
>> Well, go ahead and update the wiki, then. Note that the problem
>> on MacIntel
>> has nothing to do with us.. It's a FINK problem. We cannot
>> control the
>> fact that the dependencies don't work.
>>> --- Derek Atkins <warlord at MIT.EDU> wrote:
>>>> 1) read the archives.
>>>> 2) Give up on 1.8 and work on 1.9 with gtk2
>>>> 3) read the archives
>>>> Good Luck,
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