Fedora and computing in general.

[Scott Castaline]

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Donald Allen <donaldcallen at gmail.com>wrote:

> Usually I'm pretty laissez-faire when it comes to discussion groups; I
> don't like self-appointed thread police. But this one has turned into
> a complete waste of network bandwidth, disk space, peoples' time, and
> an assault on their sensibilities (Elizabeth and her mother put it
> very well). This is a gnucash users' group, and this fellow, who seems
> to have a problem expressing himself civilly, has now touched off a
> debate about Linux distributions, updates, kernels, what have you.
> Please, everyone, just stop descending to the the level established by
> the original post(s). Or take this somewhere else. It is not
> appropriate here.
>
> /Don
>
Amen, The OP is probably just M$ troll, and no matter what anyone has to say
will not make a difference, except distract those who actually help those in
need with GnuCash.

>
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com>
> wrote:
> > At Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:18:26 -0400 Jean-David Beyer <
> jeandavid8 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> John Boyle wrote:
> >>
> >> > To Chris Negus: Today, I got my Linux computer back from the shop
> where
> >> > I usually go when all the alleged updates show up that include a
> kernal
> >> > change! For Some reason RedHat and Fedora cannot make the kernal
> changes
> >> > user friendly and, unless you are a computer guru and work with the
> >> > technical side on a regular basis, the changes CANNOT be installed
> >> > without screwing up your computer!!!!!
> >>
> >> I find this incredible. I have been using Red Hat Linux since it was
> 5.0,
> >> including 5.2, 6.0, 6.2, and 7.3. I am currently running Red Hat
> Enterprise
> >> Linux 5. I ran Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 for about three years before
> that.
> >> I have usually had two machines at a time, and for about a year I had
> three
> >> machines running at once. These are usually running 24/7.
> >>
> >> I have never had any problems with kernel updates and kernel changes
> except
> >> once long ago when RHEL3 first came out, and one of the RPMs had a
> >> permission bug where it gave some critical file the wrong permissions so
> I
> >> could not even log in. But since I could not log in, it was difficult to
> >> figure out what the file even was. I simply restored everything from
> that
> >> morning's backup tape and figured out what the bad file permissions
> were. By
> >> then, a matter of a few hours, Red Hat already had the update out to fix
> that.
> >
> > The only time I dealt with Fedora Core it was sometime of a 'disaster'
> > -- *I* won't touch Fedora Core and *I* am a complete Linux geek.  Fedora
> > Core is counter indicated for a newbie, for end users in general, and
> > for any sort of production use.  After RH9 'died' we went with WBL 3.0
> > at UMass and when I finally moved on from RH 7.3, I went to CentOS 4.3
> > (now at CentOS 4.6).
> >
> >>
> >> > I am talking as a user, not as a
> >> > technician nor a programmer, which I am NEITHER! It is absolutely NO
> >> > wonder why people shy away from Linux, entirely, with all the constant
> >> > "update and upgrade" garbage that goes on, and yet the idiots who
> >> > program the code CANNOT and WILL NOT understand that very fact!
> >>
> >> What fact? At least in Linux, if there is a bug they fix it right away,
> and
> >> do not wait until they have one huge update a month or more later. And
> the
> >> updates are not that frequent. With the RHEL distros, after the first
> month
> >> or so, the updates are usually only every few weeks, and kernel updates
> are
> >> even less frequent.
> >>
> >> > It is
> >> > very clear to me that they are NOT interested in making Linux truly
> user
> >> > friendly, whatsoever! I have tried SuSe before this and found it to be
> >> > very user unfriendly, with no relief in sight! AND I am afraid that
> >> > Fedora/Redhat is not that much better! You just cannot go on changing
> >> > versions which DO NOT improve what was already out
> >>
> >> Red Hat change their RHEL distributions only about once every year and a
> >> half, and since they support any given version for 7 years, you do not
> have
> >> to change versions unless you want the new features. If I thought you
> were
> >> serious, I would recommend you get a subscription to the latest release
> of
> >> Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
> >
> > And there are *free* GPL versions of RHEL: CentOS and WBL.  Both very
> > stable and easy to deal with.
> >
> >>
> >> > and keep a straight
> >> > face when asked by a Windows user, WHY BOTHER? Linux WILL NEVER
> overcome
> >> > Windows until it gets its act together and can field a product that
> can
> >> > STAND on its own feet for a longer period than 6 months!  UNTIL LINUX
> OF
> >> > ANY VERSION CAN FIELD A PRODUCT THAT IS TRULY USER FRIENDLY AND THAT
> CAN
> >> > LAST LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS BETWEEN CHANGES IT WILL NEVER BE AS
> >> > WIDESPREAD AS WINDOWS NOR AS ACCEPTED EITHER!
> >>
> >> RHEL distributions go 84 months with support. Can Windows claim the
> same?
> >>
> >> > AND, YES, I AM YELLING,
> >> > BECAUSE I AM TIRED OF ALL THE SHENANIGANS THAT GO ON AND I AM SURE
> LINUS
> >> > THORVALD NEVER MEANT FOR THIS GARBAGE TO HAPPEN! >:o
> >>
> >> You should be careful of all those capital letters like that. There are
> some
> >> people who would infer from that that you are a troll.
> >>
> >
> > --
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