Package dependencies
Gordon Kindlmann
gk at bwh.harvard.edu
Thu Sep 25 13:05:33 EDT 2008
Okay, so the issue is much more fink-specific than I had thought. I
still have to chuckle at gnucash needing qhull though. As a periodic
user of fink, I'll see what I can do to help with it.
For the time being I guess my little rant should just be counted as a
vote for the availability of a pre-compiled Mac gnucash binary, as a
peer to the one for Windows. Right now the difficulty in getting it
compiled for my mac (I killed the compilation after ~12 hours) has
meant that I just can't spend any more time figuring it out, and have
to look elsewhere. I'm now trying wesabe.com, even though its
clearly a rather different beast, but it may do for what I need.
thanks,
Gordon
On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:35 PM, David Reiser wrote:
> The fink lists would be a better place for this question, but I
> think the general answer is "dependencies of dependencies". Sure,
> if you hand built each of the libraries upon which gnucash is
> based, you could noticeably trim the packages you install. But fink
> tends to build each of those packages in the most generally usable
> way it can (as in: include all the capabilities of each library
> that are readily ported to the mac, not just the pieces any
> specific client app uses).
>
> There have been some discussions of late about trimming back
> notable offenders, like doxygen. A generic build of doxygen builds
> the docs, which requires every app it serves to be present and that
> drags in a huge list. And a recent release of fink's swig (not
> needed for gnucash built in fink) claimed to need gcc43 (an extra 6
> hours of compiling alone). That one has been fixed, but certainly
> there are other opportunities to streamline package definitions.
> Unfortunately, there are only a few dozen active maintainers of
> fink handling the 7000+ packages. Care to volunteer some time?
>
> You are right that there are a bunch of things built that won't get
> used. But I'm certainly not going to build a customized library
> just so I don't take up a few more megabytes of disk space (even
> when a few megabytes is multiplied by a hundred libraries).
>
> Dave
> On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Gordon Kindlmann wrote:
>
>> Hello-
>>
>> As someone faced with installing gnucash from the first time on a
>> Mac, I get to see all the various packages that it depends on
>> (below). Some of them just don't make sense. As part of making an
>> informed decision to use gnucash, I'd love some perspective on how
>> they contribute to this software.
>>
>> If I've done something wrong in how I've selected the virtual
>> dependencies within fink for "gnucash2", that would be good to know.
>> Otherwise, I'm stumped:
>>
>> fftw3? For doing Fourier Transforms of my bank statements? Yes,
>> this is probably from Octave, but then why use all of Octave?
>>
>> cdparanoia? ogg & vorbis? esound? What do these audio tools have to
>> do with accounting?
>>
>> qhull? This is computational geometry stuff for doing n-dimensional
>> convex hull computations. I genuinely curious how it helps for
>> accounting.
>>
>> HDF5? This is a heavy-weight scientific data fileformat.
>>
>> giflib, libtiff, libjpeg, AND libpng: I bet gnucash isn't reading
>> these image formats; does it have to generate them all?
>>
>> guile, tcl, python, AND ruby: I thought gnucash was C + guile; very
>> sensible. What are Tcl, python, and ruby doing here?
>>
>> tk, qt, openmotif, AND gnome: How many toolkits are needed for this
>> to have a GUI?
>>
>> Thanks for any insight,
>> Gordon
>>
>> Pick one: [1]
>> The following package will be installed or updated:
>> gnucash2
>> The following 362 additional packages will be installed:
>> aalib aalib-bin aalib-shlibs app-defaults aqbanking16 aqbanking16-
>> shlibs
>> aquaterm aquaterm-dev aquaterm-shlibs atk1 atk1-shlibs atlas-shlibs
>> audiofile
>> audiofile-bin audiofile-shlibs autoconf automake1.9 avahi avahi-dev
>> bison
>> cairo cairo-shlibs clisp crypt-ssleay-pm586 daemonic date-manip-pm
>> db44-aes
>> db44-aes-shlibs dbus dbus-dev dbus-shlibs default-icon-theme
>> docbook-dsssl-nwalsh docbook-dtd docbook-utils docbook-xsl doxygen
>> eel2.2-dev
>> eel2.2-shlibs esound esound-bin esound-common esound-shlibs evince
>> expat-shlibs expat1 expat1-shlibs fftw3 fftw3-shlibs finance-quote-
>> pm586
>> finance-quotehist-pm586 fink-obsolete-packages fontconfig-config
>> fontconfig2-dev fontconfig2-shlibs freetype219 freetype219-shlibs
>> gail18
>> gail18-dev gail18-shlibs gawk gcc43 gcc43-shlibs gconf2 gconf2-dev
>> gconf2-shlibs gd2 gd2-bin gd2-shlibs gdbm gdbm-shlibs gdbm3 gdbm3-
>> shlibs
>> gettext-tools ghostscript ghostscript-fonts giflib giflib-bin
>> giflib-shlibs
>> glib glib-shlibs glib2-dev glib2-shlibs glitz glitz-shlibs glpk-dev
>> glpk-shlibs gmp gmp-shlibs gnome-base gnome-common gnome-desktop
>> gnome-desktop4-dev gnome-desktop4-shlibs gnome-doc-utils gnome-icon-
>> theme
>> gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-dev gnome-keyring-shlibs gnome-menus2-
>> dev
>> gnome-menus2-shlibs gnome-mime-data gnome-vfs2-unified gnome-vfs2-
>> unified-dev
>> gnome-vfs2-unified-shlibs gnucash2-shlibs gnuplot graphviz graphviz-
>> shlibs
>> gst-plugins-base-0.10 gst-plugins-base-0.10-dev gst-plugins-
>> base-0.10-shlibs
>> gstreamer-0.10 gstreamer-0.10-dev gstreamer-0.10-shlibs gtk+2 gtk+2-
>> dev
>> gtk+2-shlibs gtk-doc gtkglarea2 gtkglarea2-shlibs gtkglext1
>> gtkglext1-shlibs
>> gtkhtml3.14-dev gtkhtml3.14-shlibs guile18 guile18-dev guile18-gtk
>> guile18-gtk-shlibs guile18-libs guile18-shlibs guile18-www
>> gwenhywfar38
>> gwenhywfar38-shlibs hdf5 hdf5-bin hdf5-shlibs html-tableextract-
>> pm586
>> html-tagset-pm icon-naming-utils intltool jadetex ktoblzcheck
>> ktoblzcheck-bankdata ktoblzcheck-shlibs libart2 libart2-shlibs
>> libavahi-client3-shlibs libavahi-common3-shlibs libavahi-core5-
>> shlibs
>> libavahi-glib1-dev libavahi-glib1-shlibs libbonobo2 libbonobo2-dev
>> libbonobo2-shlibs libbonoboui2 libbonoboui2-dev libbonoboui2-shlibs
>> libcdparanoia0-dev libcdparanoia0-shlibs libcroco3 libcroco3-shlibs
>> libcurl3-unified libcurl3-unified-shlibs libcurl4 libcurl4-shlibs
>> libdaemon
>> libdaemon-shlibs libdatrie libdatrie-shlibs libexif12 libexif12-
>> shlibs
>> libgcrypt libgcrypt-shlibs libgettextpo2-shlibs libggi2 libggi2-dev
>> libggi2-shlibs libgii0 libgii0-dev libgii0-shlibs libglade2
>> libglade2-shlibs
>> libgmpxx-shlibs libgnome2 libgnome2-dev libgnome2-shlibs
>> libgnomecanvas2
>> libgnomecanvas2-dev libgnomecanvas2-shlibs libgnomecups-dev
>> libgnomecups-shlibs libgnomeprint2.2-dev libgnomeprint2.2-shlibs
>> libgnomeprintui2.2-dev libgnomeprintui2.2-shlibs libgnomeui2
>> libgnomeui2-dev
>> libgnomeui2-shlibs libgoffice-0.6 libgoffice-0.6-shlibs libgpg-error
>> libgpg-error-shlibs libgsf1.114-dev libgsf1.114-gnome-dev
>> libgsf1.114-gnome-shlibs libgsf1.114-shlibs libicu32-dev libidl2
>> libidl2-shlibs libjpeg libjpeg-bin libjpeg-shlibs libkpathsea4
>> libkpathsea4-shlibs libming-dev libming0-shlibs libmpfr1 libmpfr1-
>> shlibs
>> libnautilus-ext1-dev libnautilus-ext1-shlibs libofx3 libofx3-shlibs
>> libogg
>> libogg-shlibs liboil-0.3 liboil-0.3-shlibs libpng3 libpng3-shlibs
>> librarian.0-shlibs librsvg2 librsvg2-shlibs libsigsegv libsigsegv-
>> shlibs
>> libssh2.1 libssh2.1-shlibs libthai libthai-dev libthai-shlibs
>> libtheora0-shlibs libtiff libtiff-bin libtiff-shlibs libtool14
>> libtool14-shlibs libvorbis0 libvorbis0-shlibs libwww libwww-bin
>> libwww-pm586
>> libwww-shlibs libxml++1 libxml++1-shlibs libxml2 libxml2-bin
>> libxml2-py25
>> libxml2-shlibs libxslt libxslt-bin libxslt-shlibs lua51 lua51-dev
>> lua51-shlibs
>> lynx m4 mono mono-shlibs ocaml ocaml-findlib octave-atlas openjade
>> openmotif3
>> openmotif3-shlibs opensp4 opensp4-dev opensp4-shlibs orbit2
>> orbit2-dev
>> orbit2-shlibs pango1-xft2-ft219 pango1-xft2-ft219-dev pango1-xft2-
>> ft219-shlibs
>> passwd pcre pcre-bin pcre-shlibs pdflib6 pdflib6-shlibs pixman
>> pixman-shlibs
>> pkgconfig plotutils plotutils-dev plotutils-shlibs poppler-bin
>> poppler-data
>> poppler2 poppler2-glib poppler2-glib-shlibs poppler2-shlibs popt
>> popt-shlibs
>> python25 python25-shlibs python25-socket pyxml-py25 qhull qt3 qt3-
>> designer
>> qt3-designer-shlibs qt3-doc qt3-linguist qt3-shlibs rarian rarian-
>> compat
>> readline readline-shlibs readline5 readline5-shlibs ruby ruby18
>> ruby18-dev
>> ruby18-shlibs sdl sdl-shlibs sed sgml-entities-iso8879 sgmls-pm
>> shared-mime-info slib3 slib3-gu18 sqlite3-dev sqlite3-shlibs
>> startup-notification-dev startup-notification-shlibs suitesparse
>> swig
>> system-openssl-dev szip szip-shlibs t1lib5-nox t1lib5-nox-shlibs
>> t1lib5-x11
>> t1lib5-x11-shlibs tcltk tcltk-dev tcltk-shlibs tetex-base tetex-
>> texmf
>> texi2html texinfo text-csv-pp-pm586 wxgtk2.8 wxgtk2.8-shlibs xdg-
>> base xft2-dev
>> xmkmf xml-namespacesupport-pm xml-parser-pm586 xml-sax-expat-pm586
>> xml-sax-pm586 xml-simple-pm586
>> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] not likely
>>
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