www.gnucash.org back online

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systemd is an ongoing discussion in the -nix communities.  I use linux on embedded systems, but we are predominantly a FreeBSD shop.  FreeBSD is based, for the most part on BSD Unix, as is Apple’s Darwin (OS X).  The original intent of systemd was to replace initd and create a complex integrated one size fits all “software framework.”    The goals were to provide a software development platform, a services manager and an interface between kernel and applications.

Some of us feel that systemd is Redhat’s way of steering the linux environment into their corner.   The biggest problems with systemd is that it does what it does and if you don’t like it, or it doesn’t implement a task interface you want to do, too bad.  It brings some of the order to the linux distro inconsistencies, and just makes things easier for linux world, but it does break things that don’t need to break.  This is the problem with the systemd philosophy of trust us, we’ll do it all for you in very tightly integrated modules.   

So because of systemd’s philosophy of asynchronous inits and no real way to permit good dependency control, short of disabling its core philosophy.  That causes a world of problems and because it is a tightly integrated, large and complex software component, it’s pretty hard to look under the hood and see what’s going wrong, and it looks like systemd devs are trying to absorb linux itself into systemd.

While we have been a FreeBSD shop since 1996 (2.1-Release), we have played around with Linux and do use it on embedded systems, where it really does work well.  But for production work, FreeBSD is king.   Might be worth considering.

Walt



> On Feb 6, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Craig Van Tassle <craig at codestorm.org> wrote:
> 
> SystemD likes to change how systems start up and their dependencies on the fly. Even updating systemd on my servers have caused a lot of issues and it's hard to find them with standard tools.
> 
> On 2017-02-06 13:22, tjoen wrote:
>> On Mon, 2017-02-06 at 12:10 -0500, Craig Van Tassle wrote:
>>> Another mark against systemd.....
>>> On 2017-02-06 12:00, Derek Atkins wrote:
>>> > Derek Atkins <warlord at MIT.EDU> writes:
>>> >
>>> > > FYI,
>>> > >
>>> > > Looks like www.gnucash.org is back online now.
>>> > > I don't know what the issue was, but it appears Linas fixed it.
>>> > > Sorry for any inconvenience.
>>> >
>>> > For the record, apparently during a system update Ubuntu changed
>>> > permissions on the container system which blocked access to the
>>> > website.  That and systemd broke it.
>> I don't see systemd dependencies in httpd
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