[GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 197, Issue 15

Bob Sisk sisk.bob at gmail.com
Thu Aug 8 13:49:31 EDT 2019


I thought I understood how to do this but I am confused - trying to run Gnucash on second computer and having access to the same data file. I thought I was keeping my data file on Dropbox - that is the one I open and enter data. When I go to secondary computer and open Gnucash the file has not been updated. Should I click “save as” and direct to Dropbox when closing the program and then navigating to that file in Dropbox and opening it? Is there a way to auto sync the data file to both computers? Or is there a totally different and better approach to do this? Help appreciated. 

Robert L Sisk
Sisk.Bob at gmail.com


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>   1. Re:  Gnucash fails to run after upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04 to
>      16.04 (Geert Janssens)
>   2.  Integrated documentation for GnuCash (FREIGHBER TRANSLOADERS)
>   3.  Newbie (S. Sliackus)
>   4. Re:  Gnucash fails to run after upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04 to
>      16.04 (James E)
>   5. Re:  Newbie (Rich Shepard)
>   6. Re:  Setting up a new accounting scheme in GnuCash
>      (Frank ter Braak)
>   7. Re:  Setting up a new accounting scheme in GnuCash
>      (Christopher Lam)
>   8. Re:  Newbie (Mike or Penny Novack)
>   9. Re:  Gnucash fails to run after upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04 to
>      16.04 (James E)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2019 10:16:18 +0200
> From: Geert Janssens <geert.gnucash at kobaltwit.be>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash fails to run after upgrade from Ubuntu
>    14.04 to 16.04
> Message-ID: <3281791.952hr9h80M at legolas.kobaltwit.lan>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Op donderdag 8 augustus 2019 08:41:33 CEST schreef James E:
>> I  used to run  Gnucash 2.6.12  in Ubuntu 14.04 .
>> 
>> I upgraded  to Ubuntu 16.04    . During the upgrade  I was asked if I wanted
>> to keep several Gnucash   files/piece of information ? one of which was 
>> the Alpha Advantage API key .  I replied that I did .
>> 
>> The upgrade appeared to have finished successfully  . All of the
>> programmes/applications worked   but  with  one exception ? Gnucash.
>> 
>> The Gnucash loading screen and the tip of the day showed  up for a several
>> seconds
>> and both disappeared  again.
>> 
>> I  then decided to install  Gnucash  from the  Ubuntu Software centre ?
>> hoping that this would be compatible with 16.04   . So I removed the
>> existing  Gnucash  using the Ubuntu Software centre and installed Gnucash  .
>> 
>> This failed  in the same way - the Gnucash loading screen and the tip of the
>> day showed up for a several seconds  and both disappeared again.
>> 
>> I found from research that Ubuntu repositories usually contain a version of
>> Gnucash that is a release or two behind the latest stable version and  that
>> Gnucash 2.6.12 is included in Ubuntu 16.04 ?  this is the  same Gnucash
>> version as I was using   in Ubuntu  14.04 .
>> 
>> 
>> I give below  the terminal output  when I tried to run Gnucash :
>> 
>> jm at jm-OptiPlex-9020:~$ gnucash
>> ;;; note: auto-compilation is enabled, set GUILE_AUTO_COMPILE=0
>> ;;;       or pass the --no-auto-compile argument to disable.
>> ;;; compiling /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/business-gnome.scm
>> ;;; compiling /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/report/business-reports.scm
>> ;;; WARNING: compilation of
>> /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/report/business-reports.scm failed:
>> ;;; ERROR: In procedure #<procedure 5611372c8120 ()>: Unbound variable:
>> gnc:menuname-business-reports
>> ;;; WARNING: compilation of
>> /usr/share/gnucash/scm/gnucash/business-gnome.scm failed:
>> ;;; ERROR: In procedure #<procedure 561136e6f180 ()>: Unbound variable:
>> gnc:menuname-business-reports
>> Backtrace:
>> In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
>> 157: 11 [catch #t #<catch-closure 561135f66c00> ...]
>> In unknown file:
>>   ?: 10 [apply-smob/1 #<catch-closure 561135f66c00>]
>>   ?: 9 [call-with-input-string "(gnc:report-menu-setup)" ...]
>> In ice-9/boot-9.scm:
>> 2401: 8 [save-module-excursion #<procedure 56113692ecc0 at
>> ice-9/eval-string.scm:65:9 ()>]
>> In ice-9/eval-string.scm:
>>  44: 7 [read-and-eval #<input: string 56113740f1a0> #:lang ...]
>>  37: 6 [lp (gnc:report-menu-setup)]
>> In gnucash/report/report-gnome.scm:
>> 155: 5 [gnc:report-menu-setup]
>> In unknown file:
>>   ?: 4 [gnc-hook-run "hook_report" ()]
>> In ice-9/eval.scm:
>> 387: 3 [eval # #]
>> 387: 2 [eval # #]
>> 393: 1 [eval #<memoized gnc:menuname-business-reports> #<directory #
>> 561137149870>]
>> In unknown file:
>>   ?: 0 [memoize-variable-access! # #]
>> 
>> ERROR: In procedure memoize-variable-access!:
>> ERROR: Unbound variable: gnc:menuname-business-reports
>> jm at jm-OptiPlex-9020:~$
>> 
> 
> GnuCash is partly written in the guile language, which is a scripting language 
> that supports just in time compilation of the source files. The WARNINGs above 
> indicate that this is happening on your system the first time you run gnucash.
> 
> However as gnucash should have been shipped with the proper pre-compiled 
> source files, this auto compilation should not have happened and is in fact 
> causing issues: one of the auto compilation steps fails which is why 
> everything seems to come to a halt.
> 
> So it is now a matter of figuring out why this goes wrong. Colin's questions 
> may be a first step to get more details.
> 
> It would also be interesting to know which version of guile is installed on 
> your system and possibly which version of guile was used to build gnucash. 
> These should be the same.
> 
> Also what is the contents of
> $HOME/.cache/guile/ccache/
> 
> Next, can you empty that directory and try to run gnucash again ? (It's safe 
> to empty this directory, it's just a build cache for guile, you won't lose any 
> data).
> Does it give the same error in the trace file ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Geert
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 16:59:51 -0600
> From: FREIGHBER TRANSLOADERS <s.patterson at freighber.net>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Integrated documentation for GnuCash
> Message-ID: <9a20c4a7-7f9f-bc04-cf7a-019068d556e7 at freighber.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Does GNUcash allow for integrated documentation when running GNUCash?
> 
> Steve Patterson
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 11:47:31 +0100
> From: "S. Sliackus" <ssliackus at gmail.com>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: [GNC] Newbie
> Message-ID:
>    <CACZ1v7skY0g30ZE1q7VP2O+FLk70Lw3dx3sZxBibFa-D1Mrtrg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Hi guys
> 
> I am new to GnuCash. I came up with this piece of software by searching
> practical solution to couple of my charities and small business.
> 
> I have quite mixed feelings about this program, I found some things over
> complicated (some invoicing aspects, customer list and search, transactions
> split etc etc) some things inconsistent  and some things missing (cash
> basis vs accrual basis, transactions print/export from viewing screen etc.
> etc.) and some working bad (import of list  1-2000 transactions took at
> about 5-8 minutes (while kmymoney did that job in few seconds), but I've
> found some things that I really love - reconciliation tool, range of
> reports and some other.
> 
> As a new user, I didn't learned how to achieve certain tasks yet, so my
> feedback might not be relevant sometimes, but that is why I came here and I
> hope this will be right place to get and give an advice :-)
> 
> Thanks have a nice day everyone.
> 
> Saulius
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 06:40:09 -0500 (CDT)
> From: James  E <jimmy142 at hotmail.co.uk>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash fails to run after upgrade from Ubuntu
>    14.04 to 16.04
> Message-ID: <1565264409402-0.post at n4.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Colin . Commands show :
> 
> jm at jm-OptiPlex-9020:~$ which gnucash
> /usr/bin/gnucash
> jm at jm-OptiPlex-9020:~$ apt-cache policy gnucash
> gnucash:
>  Installed: 1:2.6.12-1
>  Candidate: 1:2.6.12-1
>  Version table:
> *** 1:2.6.12-1 500
>        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 Packages
>        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
> jm at jm-OptiPlex-9020:~$ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 05:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Rich Shepard <rshepard at appl-ecosys.com>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Newbie
> Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.20.1908080536300.9087 at salmo.appl-ecosys.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019, S. Sliackus wrote:
>> 
>> As a new user, I didn't learned how to achieve certain tasks yet, so my
>> feedback might not be relevant sometimes, but that is why I came here and
>> I hope this will be right place to get and give an advice :-)
> 
> Have you read the help/tutorial or guide? Almost all answers to your implied
> questions can be found there. And, for cash accounting rather than accrual
> accounting don't post invoices until the payments are received.
> 
> Start using gnucash and you'll figure out how to make it work for you,
> especially if you search the mail list archives for specific issues.
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 15:01:03 +0200
> From: Frank ter Braak <frankterbraak at gmail.com>
> To: GnuCash User <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Setting up a new accounting scheme in GnuCash
> Message-ID: <CF892464-FA8A-444A-80EC-A82C8ED0591C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Thanks for all the help and suggestions!!!
> Very happy but not sue yet if it really got clear yet.
> 
> Now I wonder:
> 
> Does it really matter that much what type I use for a new account? And could I change this Type as I find out I was wrong or think an other might be more convenient? As long as I put credit and debit right it might not influence the calculations...
> 
> Or does the program handles my data very different or is only the sorting different?
> But I can choose to sort by group or by number as well I think.
> 
> (I have been doing my own accounting for over 20 years, including complicated export from Filemaker, converting it and importing the journal records in my accounting software. But now changing to GnuCash everything seems different and I feel a newbee very much. And I am not a educated accountant too.)
> 
> Greetings Frank ter Braak
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Op 8 aug. 2019, om 00:13 heeft Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>> Ah, thanks for the clarification.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Adrien
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger <frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Adrien,
>>> 
>>> part of the confusion might be:
>>> Frank asked for the account type to create a few, which you tried to answer.
>>> I saw, the requested accounts were already defined in the template and
>>> referenced the group containing them, not the type itself.
>>> 
>>> Am Mi., 7. Aug. 2019 um 21:54 Uhr schrieb Adrien Monteleone
>>> <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 7, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger <frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 7 Kostpijs rekeningen                           (Cost price bills?)
>>>>>>> This is where I book my bikes if I buy them from my supplier during the year. It will raise my Assets I suppose.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> These are the invoices from the supplier or the value of the bikes themselves? If the bikes, that would be inventory above, if the invoices, that would be Accounts Payable - a liability.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not quite, while buying they increase VOORADEN, on sale they move to
>>>>> INKOOPWARDE VAN DE UMZET.
>>>> 
>>>> So Cost of Goods Sold? That would be an expense account. Curious that NL mixes purchases (inventory) with COGS rather than separating them out.
>>> 
>>> No, it is the same:
>>> VOORADEN/Inventory: Activa/assets
>>> INKOOPWARDE VAN DE UMZET/Cost of Goods Sold: Kosten/expense
>>> UMZET/Goods Sold: Opbrengsten/income
>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Adrien
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Frank
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 13:08:41 +0000
> From: Christopher Lam <christopher.lck at gmail.com>
> To: Frank ter Braak <frankterbraak at gmail.com>
> Cc: GnuCash User <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Setting up a new accounting scheme in GnuCash
> Message-ID:
>    <CAKVAZZLSv0+EqbWfRafRiPisjvHxAa9J52uYNtVANJCGLUneBQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
>> From my understanding, the account-type is mainly used in reports.
> Otherwise you're right, you can tweak any account-type at leisure within
> limits eg can't change currency-type account to stock-type account;
> subaccounts of Asset/Liability/Income/Expense are limited according to the
> parent-type.
> 
> e.g. Net worth reports will calculate asset balance less liability balance.
> 
> C
> 
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 13:02, Frank ter Braak <frankterbraak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for all the help and suggestions!!!
>> Very happy but not sue yet if it really got clear yet.
>> 
>> Now I wonder:
>> 
>> Does it really matter that much what type I use for a new account? And
>> could I change this Type as I find out I was wrong or think an other might
>> be more convenient? As long as I put credit and debit right it might not
>> influence the calculations...
>> 
>> Or does the program handles my data very different or is only the sorting
>> different?
>> But I can choose to sort by group or by number as well I think.
>> 
>> (I have been doing my own accounting for over 20 years, including
>> complicated export from Filemaker, converting it and importing the journal
>> records in my accounting software. But now changing to GnuCash everything
>> seems different and I feel a newbee very much. And I am not a educated
>> accountant too.)
>> 
>> Greetings Frank ter Braak
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Op 8 aug. 2019, om 00:13 heeft Adrien Monteleone <
>> adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> het volgende geschreven:
>>> 
>>> Ah, thanks for the clarification.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Adrien
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger <
>> frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Adrien,
>>>> 
>>>> part of the confusion might be:
>>>> Frank asked for the account type to create a few, which you tried to
>> answer.
>>>> I saw, the requested accounts were already defined in the template and
>>>> referenced the group containing them, not the type itself.
>>>> 
>>>> Am Mi., 7. Aug. 2019 um 21:54 Uhr schrieb Adrien Monteleone
>>>> <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2019, at 2:41 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger <
>> frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 7 Kostpijs rekeningen                           (Cost price
>> bills?)
>>>>>>>> This is where I book my bikes if I buy them from my supplier during
>> the year. It will raise my Assets I suppose.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> These are the invoices from the supplier or the value of the bikes
>> themselves? If the bikes, that would be inventory above, if the invoices,
>> that would be Accounts Payable - a liability.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not quite, while buying they increase VOORADEN, on sale they move to
>>>>>> INKOOPWARDE VAN DE UMZET.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So Cost of Goods Sold? That would be an expense account. Curious that
>> NL mixes purchases (inventory) with COGS rather than separating them out.
>>>> 
>>>> No, it is the same:
>>>> VOORADEN/Inventory: Activa/assets
>>>> INKOOPWARDE VAN DE UMZET/Cost of Goods Sold: Kosten/expense
>>>> UMZET/Goods Sold: Opbrengsten/income
>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Adrien
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> Frank
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 09:30:35 -0400
> From: Mike or Penny Novack <stepbystepfarm at comcast.net>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Newbie
> Message-ID: <0205be25-8660-41fa-3b79-0e74616fe641 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
>> On 8/8/2019 6:47 AM, S. Sliackus wrote:
>> Hi guys
>> 
>> I am new to GnuCash. I came up with this piece of software by searching
>> practical solution to couple of my charities and small business.
>> 
>> I have quite mixed feelings about this program, I found some things over
>> complicated (some invoicing aspects, customer list and search, transactions
>> split etc etc) some things inconsistent  and some things missing (cash
>> basis vs accrual basis, transactions print/export from viewing screen etc.
>> etc.) and some working bad (import of list
>  Some of this is misconception. True, you can only use the business 
> features like invoicing when on the accrual basis << this perhaps should 
> be addressed -- not only do many organizations keep books on the cash 
> basis (but would like to be able to produce invoices for members) but 
> some businesses by tradition/law use cash >>. But otherwise you can most 
> certainly specify either cash or accrual.
> 
> And for those asking about setting up books but finding the "templates" 
> do not match their needs the solution is simple. Just set up your CoA 
> the way you need it or your accountant advises. You do NOT have to use 
> any of the templates.
> 
> Michael D Novack
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 08:32:17 -0500 (CDT)
> From: James  E <jimmy142 at hotmail.co.uk>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash fails to run after upgrade from Ubuntu
>    14.04 to 16.04
> Message-ID: <1565271137773-0.post at n4.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> gnucash_fail_20190806_04.odt
> <http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/file/t376064/gnucash_fail_20190806_04.odt>  
> 
> Q Which version of guile is installed on the system.
> 
> A
> jm at jm-OptiPlex-9020:~$ guile -v
> guile (GNU Guile) 2.0.11
> Packaged by Debian (2.0.11-deb+1-10ubuntu0.1)
> Copyright (C) 2014 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> 
> License LGPLv3+: GNU LGPL 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.html>.
> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
> 
> Q Which version  of guile was used to build gnucash .
> 
> A  I do not know how to do this .
> 
> Q Also what is the contents of
> $HOME/.cache/guile/ccache/ 
> 
> A There is folder " 2.0-LE-8-2.0 "  with sub folders below.
> 
> I deleted this file and ran gnucash again .
> The attached file show the output at the terminal.
> Gnucash  now runs successfully .
> 
> *Geert thank you very much .
> *
> 
> 
> 
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