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De: Debian Community News Team <team at debian.community>
Date: qui., 20 de ago. de 2020 às 15:47
Subject: FSFE into Berlin bunker
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Fragile?


https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/thread.html

https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/013113.html

https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/013114.html


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Subject:        Re: Black Ribbon Day & FSFEGoogle
Date:   Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:00:33 +0200 (CEST)
From:   Garfield Europe <garfield at tutanota.de>
Reply-To:       discussion at lists.fsfellowship.eu
To:     Discussion <discussion at lists.fsfellowship.eu>, Discussion
<discussion at lists.fsfe.org>


Somebody did all this while I was sleeping?

Great work!
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Aug 18, 2020, 08:27 by team at debian.community:



    On 18/08/2020 09:57, Johann Gross wrote:

        How can you write such stupid text in the name of the
        fellowship? I am
        also member of the fellowship but I do not agree with what you
        write.


    Thank you for your feedback. This mailing list welcomes multiple
    opinions.

    Can a blog be stupid and true at the same time?

    We are happy to be stupid if it helps people use the opportunity to
    understand what TOTALITARIANISM really means.

    Fact: Fellows were never allowed to nominate for president or attend the
    annual meeting of FSFE. Is that more like democracy or dictatorship?

    Even if it is stupid, which point from the blog is /not/ based on fact?

    - Gemlich letter (1919) and FSFE minutes (2019) both spread defamation

    - Nazis stole artworks, FSFE are stealing RMS's trademark (see below,
    "the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from
    any side")

    - Nazis and FSFE claim and pretends to speak for all Europe

    - Nazis and FSFE both cancelled elections

    - Nazis and FSFE both censored political opponents

    - Nazis and FSFE both made experiments on people (look at how they
    brainwashed somebody after 34C3, more details to come)

    - when Nazis and FSFE can't control somebody, they try to make them
    completely disappear


    Nobody says that FSFE == Nazi Party. This is just a feature comparison
    that is disturbingly accurate.

        You really have severe mental problems


    What about volunteers who work for Google(=FSFE) without getting paid?
    Most people find that behavior odd.


    https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-nazi-comparisons/

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    Subject: Re: FSF asking us to change our name II
    Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:31:39 +0200
    From: Jonas Oberg <jonas at fsfe.org>
    To: Bernhard Reiter <bernhard at intevation.de>
    CC: ga at fsfeurope.org

    Hi Bernhard,

    I largely agree with you, but I would like to ask for a clarification on
    this part:

        I don't see why. We should ask them to establish the agreed
        cooperation.


    If I take an honest look at the framework agreement, I believe it's
    phrased rather favourable towards the FSF, and a lot of what we would
    like to see -- such as joint decision making on important issues related
    to Free Software -- isn't actually in the agreement aside from an intent
    to develop such a way in some hypothetical future.

    And I can truly see why the FSF believes we are in violation of the
    agreement, at least on parts. Our work on the Radio Directive and other
    policy work I believe is an example of work that according to the
    agreement should be carried out by the FSF, and not the FSFE.

    Our work on standards for cloud services is close to what's reserved for
    the FSF. On the other part, there are a number of activities envisioned
    from the FSFE which we don't do, or never did: operate the GNU Business
    Network, develop new free software, translate FSF position papers,
    recruit more volunteers for the GNU project, resell FSF merchandise,
    and so on.

    So the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from
    any side. What I understand from you is that you think we can push
    more on this:

    We intend, in the
    future, after we have gained experience working together, to develop a
    system wherein these decisions are approved jointly by a specific list
    of several major FSFs.

    Essentially, our message could be that now, after 15 years, we have the
    experience of working together. It's not been a pleasurable experience,
    but we now know what the current tensions and activities are, which
    makes
    this a good time to now negotiate what such a system for join decision
    making would look like.

    Is that close to what you intend?


    Sincerely,

    --     Jonas Öberg, Executive Director
    Free Software Foundation Europe | jonas at fsfe.org
    Your support enables our work (fsfe.org/join)
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