[GNC] FSFE into Berlin bunker

John Ralls jralls at ceridwen.us
Fri Aug 21 11:34:18 EDT 2020


GTI,

What has this or the debian.community/fsfellowship.eu conspiracy theory to do with GnuCash?

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Aug 21, 2020, at 7:02 AM, GTI .H <gti9070h at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De: Debian Community News Team <team at debian.community>
> Date: qui., 20 de ago. de 2020 às 15:47
> Subject: FSFE into Berlin bunker
> To: *** <***@lists.***.org>
> 
> 
> Fragile?
> 
> 
> https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/thread.html
> 
> https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/013113.html
> 
> https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2020-August/013114.html
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        Re: Black Ribbon Day & FSFEGoogle
> Date:   Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:00:33 +0200 (CEST)
> From:   Garfield Europe <garfield at tutanota.de>
> Reply-To:       discussion at lists.fsfellowship.eu
> To:     Discussion <discussion at lists.fsfellowship.eu>, Discussion
> <discussion at lists.fsfe.org>
> 
> 
> Somebody did all this while I was sleeping?
> 
> Great work!
> -- 
> /The cat formerly known as Garfield/
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> 
> Aug 18, 2020, 08:27 by team at debian.community:
> 
> 
> 
>    On 18/08/2020 09:57, Johann Gross wrote:
> 
>        How can you write such stupid text in the name of the
>        fellowship? I am
>        also member of the fellowship but I do not agree with what you
>        write.
> 
> 
>    Thank you for your feedback. This mailing list welcomes multiple
>    opinions.
> 
>    Can a blog be stupid and true at the same time?
> 
>    We are happy to be stupid if it helps people use the opportunity to
>    understand what TOTALITARIANISM really means.
> 
>    Fact: Fellows were never allowed to nominate for president or attend the
>    annual meeting of FSFE. Is that more like democracy or dictatorship?
> 
>    Even if it is stupid, which point from the blog is /not/ based on fact?
> 
>    - Gemlich letter (1919) and FSFE minutes (2019) both spread defamation
> 
>    - Nazis stole artworks, FSFE are stealing RMS's trademark (see below,
>    "the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from
>    any side")
> 
>    - Nazis and FSFE claim and pretends to speak for all Europe
> 
>    - Nazis and FSFE both cancelled elections
> 
>    - Nazis and FSFE both censored political opponents
> 
>    - Nazis and FSFE both made experiments on people (look at how they
>    brainwashed somebody after 34C3, more details to come)
> 
>    - when Nazis and FSFE can't control somebody, they try to make them
>    completely disappear
> 
> 
>    Nobody says that FSFE == Nazi Party. This is just a feature comparison
>    that is disturbingly accurate.
> 
>        You really have severe mental problems
> 
> 
>    What about volunteers who work for Google(=FSFE) without getting paid?
>    Most people find that behavior odd.
> 
> 
>    https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-nazi-comparisons/
> 
>    -------- Forwarded Message --------
>    Subject: Re: FSF asking us to change our name II
>    Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:31:39 +0200
>    From: Jonas Oberg <jonas at fsfe.org>
>    To: Bernhard Reiter <bernhard at intevation.de>
>    CC: ga at fsfeurope.org
> 
>    Hi Bernhard,
> 
>    I largely agree with you, but I would like to ask for a clarification on
>    this part:
> 
>        I don't see why. We should ask them to establish the agreed
>        cooperation.
> 
> 
>    If I take an honest look at the framework agreement, I believe it's
>    phrased rather favourable towards the FSF, and a lot of what we would
>    like to see -- such as joint decision making on important issues related
>    to Free Software -- isn't actually in the agreement aside from an intent
>    to develop such a way in some hypothetical future.
> 
>    And I can truly see why the FSF believes we are in violation of the
>    agreement, at least on parts. Our work on the Radio Directive and other
>    policy work I believe is an example of work that according to the
>    agreement should be carried out by the FSF, and not the FSFE.
> 
>    Our work on standards for cloud services is close to what's reserved for
>    the FSF. On the other part, there are a number of activities envisioned
>    from the FSFE which we don't do, or never did: operate the GNU Business
>    Network, develop new free software, translate FSF position papers,
>    recruit more volunteers for the GNU project, resell FSF merchandise,
>    and so on.
> 
>    So the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from
>    any side. What I understand from you is that you think we can push
>    more on this:
> 
>    We intend, in the
>    future, after we have gained experience working together, to develop a
>    system wherein these decisions are approved jointly by a specific list
>    of several major FSFs.
> 
>    Essentially, our message could be that now, after 15 years, we have the
>    experience of working together. It's not been a pleasurable experience,
>    but we now know what the current tensions and activities are, which
>    makes
>    this a good time to now negotiate what such a system for join decision
>    making would look like.
> 
>    Is that close to what you intend?
> 
> 
>    Sincerely,
> 
>    --     Jonas Öberg, Executive Director
>    Free Software Foundation Europe | jonas at fsfe.org
>    Your support enables our work (fsfe.org/join)
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> -- 
> Regards
> GTI
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