[GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 208, Issue 43

Sun Jul 12 17:01:06 EDT 2020

I also do not have a problem removing the pop up windows, especially if it
helps simplify programming the UI. I have used them in the past, but can
just as easily get by without.

Scott

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>    3. Re:  Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box? (D.)
>    4. Re:  Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box? (Michael Hendry)
>    5. Re:  Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box? (jean laroche)
>    6. Re:  Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
>       (will at theprescotts.com)
>    7. Re:  Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box? (Eric Coates)
>    8. Re:  Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box? (John Ralls)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> To: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
> Cc: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 09:38:32 -0700
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
> Frank and I have both opined on
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest
> payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion
> that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes
> reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that
> relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment
> transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the
> register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest they're
> an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
>
> But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated
> disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here objects
> to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the
> interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling
> reason do you have for objecting?
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Jean,
> >
> > I filed bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 for the
> issue with the global preference not being honored.
> >
> > And bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797855 for the button
> issue on the two dialogs.
> >
> > Feel free to combine them if you like. I wasn't sure of developers'
> intent with the global preference, so I filed them separately.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 7/10/20 5:52 PM, Jean Laroche wrote:
> >> If you open a bug about it, I can try to fix that (move things to the
> right place etc). At the very least, the global option should be either
> fixed, or removed.
> >> Jean
> >> On 7/10/20 3:35 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> >>> For consistency, that very wide button should probably either be
> changed to a checkbox, then moved or copied to the Account Edit page as a
> per-account preference. (it could remain in the dialog for discoverability
> I suppose, which is what I mean by 'copied') One could change it in either
> place, but ideally, it should be in one place.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure a global preference (especially one that is ignored) is
> necessary if each account can be set separately.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Adrien
> >>>
> >>> On 7/10/20 5:16 PM, lj wrote:
> >>>> I figured it out. Duh.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a button on the Reconcile dialog that says "Enter Interest
> Payment". In addition to letting you enter an interest payment, clicking
> that button sets a per-account flag to always prompt for an interest
> payment when you reconcile.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the Interest Payment dialog, there is a button "No Auto Interest
> Payments for this Account". (It's very wide, and I didn't realize it was a
> button.) That cancels the dialog, and also clears the per-account flag so
> GnuCash will no longer prompt for interest payment when you reconcile.
> >>>>
> >>>> And the global preference Register, Reconciling, Automatic interest
> transfer? It does NOTHING at all. It sets a preference flag which is never
> used. It's supposed to be the default for accounts without the
> auto-interest-payment flag, but it doesn't work. Note that in
> libgnucash/engine/Account.cpp, the function
> xaccAccountGetAutoInterestXfer() ignores its default_value argument.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Carlson <david.carlson.417 at gmail.com>
> To: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> Cc: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>, GnuCash List <
> gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org>
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> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:47:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
> While I do not use those features  myself,  if there are some who do, I
> would say to keep them.  If not....
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 11:41 AM John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
>
> > Frank and I have both opined on
> > https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest
> > payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion
> > that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes
> > reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that
> > relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment
> > transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the
> > register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest
> they're
> > an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
> >
> > But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated
> > disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here
> objects
> > to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the
> > interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling
> > reason do you have for objecting?
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 10, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
> > adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Jean,
> > >
> > > I filed bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 for the
> > issue with the global preference not being honored.
> > >
> > > And bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797855 for the
> button
> > issue on the two dialogs.
> > >
> > > Feel free to combine them if you like. I wasn't sure of developers'
> > intent with the global preference, so I filed them separately.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Adrien
> > >
> > > On 7/10/20 5:52 PM, Jean Laroche wrote:
> > >> If you open a bug about it, I can try to fix that (move things to the
> > right place etc). At the very least, the global option should be either
> > fixed, or removed.
> > >> Jean
> > >> On 7/10/20 3:35 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > >>> For consistency, that very wide button should probably either be
> > changed to a checkbox, then moved or copied to the Account Edit page as a
> > per-account preference. (it could remain in the dialog for
> discoverability
> > I suppose, which is what I mean by 'copied') One could change it in
> either
> > place, but ideally, it should be in one place.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not sure a global preference (especially one that is ignored) is
> > necessary if each account can be set separately.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Adrien
> > >>>
> > >>> On 7/10/20 5:16 PM, lj wrote:
> > >>>> I figured it out. Duh.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There is a button on the Reconcile dialog that says "Enter Interest
> > Payment". In addition to letting you enter an interest payment, clicking
> > that button sets a per-account flag to always prompt for an interest
> > payment when you reconcile.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On the Interest Payment dialog, there is a button "No Auto Interest
> > Payments for this Account". (It's very wide, and I didn't realize it was
> a
> > button.) That cancels the dialog, and also clears the per-account flag so
> > GnuCash will no longer prompt for interest payment when you reconcile.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And the global preference Register, Reconciling, Automatic interest
> > transfer? It does NOTHING at all. It sets a preference flag which is
> never
> > used. It's supposed to be the default for accounts without the
> > auto-interest-payment flag, but it doesn't work. Note that in
> > libgnucash/engine/Account.cpp, the function
> > xaccAccountGetAutoInterestXfer() ignores its default_value argument.
> > >>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "D." <sunfish62 at yahoo.com>
> To: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> Cc: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>, GnuCash-User <
> gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org>
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:36:58 -0400
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
> John,
>
> Count me as a supporter of removing these. I long ago disabled that
> feature on every account. I have always found it easier to enter these
> transactions myself, especially since I found that the dialog would present
> a strange subset of accounts that I would override every time. Simplifying
> in this case makes sense.
>
> David T.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> Sent: Sun Jul 12 12:38:32 EDT 2020
> To: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>
> Cc: gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
>
> Frank and I have both opined on
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest
> payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion
> that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes
> reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that
> relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment
> transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the
> register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest they're
> an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
>
> But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated
> disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here objects
> to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the
> interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling
> reason do you have for objecting?
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Adrien Monteleone <
> adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Jean,
> >
> > I filed bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 for the
> issue with the global preference not being honored.
> >
> > And bug: https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797855 for the button
> issue on the two dialogs.
> >
> > Feel free to combine them if you like. I wasn't sure of developers'
> intent with the global preference, so I filed them separately.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 7/10/20 5:52 PM, Jean Laroche wrote:
> >> If you open a bug about it, I can try to fix that (move things to the
> right place etc). At the very least, the global option should be either
> fixed, or removed.
> >> Jean
> >> On 7/10/20 3:35 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> >>> For consistency, that very wide button should probably either be
> changed to a checkbox, then moved or copied to the Account Edit page as a
> per-account preference. (it could remain in the dialog for discoverability
> I suppose, which is what I mean by 'copied') One could change it in either
> place, but ideally, it should be in one place.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure a global preference (especially one that is ignored) is
> necessary if each account can be set separately.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Adrien
> >>>
> >>> On 7/10/20 5:16 PM, lj wrote:
> >>>> I figured it out. Duh.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a button on the Reconcile dialog that says "Enter Interest
> Payment". In addition to letting you enter an interest payment, clicking
> that button sets a per-account flag to always prompt for an interest
> payment when you reconcile.
> >>>>
> >>>> On the Interest Payment dialog, there is a button "No Auto Interest
> Payments for this Account". (It's very wide, and I didn't realize it was a
> button.) That cancels the dialog, and also clears the per-account flag so
> GnuCash will no longer prompt for interest payment when you reconcile.
> >>>>
> >>>> And the global preference Register, Reconciling, Automatic interest
> transfer? It does NOTHING at all. It sets a preference flag which is never
> used. It's supposed to be the default for accounts without the
> auto-interest-payment flag, but it doesn't work. Note that in
> libgnucash/engine/Account.cpp, the function
> xaccAccountGetAutoInterestXfer() ignores its default_value argument.
> >>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Michael Hendry <hendry.michael at gmail.com>
> To: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> Cc: Adrien Monteleone <adrien.monteleone at lusfiber.net>,
> gnucash-user at lists.gnucash.org
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:07:42 +0100
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
> > On 12 Jul 2020, at 17:38, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >
> > Frank and I have both opined on
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest
> payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion
> that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes
> reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that
> relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment
> transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the
> register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest they're
> an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
> >
> > But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated
> disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here objects
> to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the
> interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling
> reason do you have for objecting?
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
>
> I don’t use the interest feature, as I have the credit card paid off every
> month by direct debit, and have never paid interest.
>
> I do use the automatic payment feature (from bank to credit card), and
> find it helpful, but not essential. If it were withdrawn I expect it would
> take a while to get out of old habits (ten years since I first started
> using GC!), but I’d cope.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: jean laroche <ripngo at gmail.com>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:32:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
> Personally, I don't find this feature useful and indeed, it would
> simplify the code to just remove it...
> Jean
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 11:07 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> >> On 12 Jul 2020, at 17:38, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> Frank and I have both opined on
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest
> payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion
> that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes
> reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that
> relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment
> transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the
> register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest they're
> an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
> >>
> >> But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated
> disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here objects
> to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the
> interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling
> reason do you have for objecting?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Ralls
> > I don’t use the interest feature, as I have the credit card paid off
> every month by direct debit, and have never paid interest.
> >
> > I do use the automatic payment feature (from bank to credit card), and
> find it helpful, but not essential. If it were withdrawn I expect it would
> take a while to get out of old habits (ten years since I first started
> using GC!), but I’d cope.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "will at theprescotts.com" <will at theprescotts.com>
> To: GnuCash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:49:29 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
> I actually use the interest payment box to add a monthly interest
> transaction when I reconcile my accounts. I never use the credit card
> payment box that comes up when you finish reconciling a credit card
> account..
>
> Will
>
> On 2020 Jul 12, at 07-12 13:32:08, jean laroche <ripngo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Personally, I don't find this feature useful and indeed, it would simplify
> the code to just remove it...
> Jean
>
>
> On 7/12/2020 11:07 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> >> On 12 Jul 2020, at 17:38, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> Frank and I have both opined on
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest
> payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion
> that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes
> reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that
> relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment
> transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the
> register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest they're
> an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
> >>
> >> But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated
> disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here objects
> to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the
> interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling
> reason do you have for objecting?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> John Ralls
> > I don’t use the interest feature, as I have the credit card paid off
> every month by direct debit, and have never paid interest.
> >
> > I do use the automatic payment feature (from bank to credit card), and
> find it helpful, but not essential. If it were withdrawn I expect it would
> take a while to get out of old habits (ten years since I first started
> using GC!), but I’d cope.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Eric Coates <TwistedWood at talktalk.net>
> To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Cc:
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> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:53:39 +0100
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
>
> Hi
>
> As removing the facilities simplifies the programming I'm in favour of
> removing them.
>
> I find the pop-ups annoying and I never make use of them
>
> Take care
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> Eric
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us>
> To: "will at theprescotts.com" <will at theprescotts.com>
> Cc: GnuCash Users <gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:57:45 -0700
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconcile also opens Interest Payment box?
> Would it cause you any pain to enter the interest transaction in the
> register before clicking reconcile instead?
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
>
> > On Jul 12, 2020, at 11:49 AM, will at theprescotts.com wrote:
> >
> > I actually use the interest payment box to add a monthly interest
> transaction when I reconcile my accounts. I never use the credit card
> payment box that comes up when you finish reconciling a credit card
> account..
> >
> > Will
> >
> > On 2020 Jul 12, at 07-12 13:32:08, jean laroche <ripngo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Personally, I don't find this feature useful and indeed, it would
> simplify the code to just remove it...
> > Jean
> >
> >
> > On 7/12/2020 11:07 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> >>> On 12 Jul 2020, at 17:38, John Ralls <jralls at ceridwen.us> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Frank and I have both opined on
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797854 that the whole interest
> payment as part of reconciling is stupid. I want to add to that opinion
> that so is the payment transfer that optionally pops up when one finishes
> reconciling a credit card account. It's a lot of program complexity that
> relieves the user of very little work indeed: Those interest and payment
> transactions can just as easily--maybe more easily--be created in the
> register before and after reconciling, and in the case of interest they're
> an obvious candidate for a scheduled transaction.
> >>>
> >>> But that's a UI change and UI changes tend to generate heated
> disagreement. I want to get that out of the way up front: Who here objects
> to removing the interest and payment transfer automatic popups and the
> interest payment button on the reconcile info dialog, and what compelling
> reason do you have for objecting?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> John Ralls
> >> I don’t use the interest feature, as I have the credit card paid off
> every month by direct debit, and have never paid interest.
> >>
> >> I do use the automatic payment feature (from bank to credit card), and
> find it helpful, but not essential. If it were withdrawn I expect it would
> take a while to get out of old habits (ten years since I first started
> using GC!), but I’d cope.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Michael
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