[GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash

Sun Aug 7 15:17:06 EDT 2022

Thanks again to all who answered my two part question (next time I will make it two separate questions...)

Frank, I already have that selected. The problem is not how transactions are entered or displayed.
If I am entering a manual transaction, I can add any number of splits no problem.
The issue is specifically with the Bill, or Invoice, "Process Payment" form which only allows one payment amount, and one transfer account (from the account tree).
If I bypass the "Process Payment" by using manual transactions the Bill or Invoice is not closed.

All the best,
Eric Hammond

Message: 6
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 06:19:40 +0200
From: "Frank H. Ellenberger" <frank.h.ellenberger at gmail.com>
To: Eric Hammond <eric at jehammond.net>, "gnucash-user at gnucash.org"
	<gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash
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Am 07.08.22 um 03:04 schrieb Eric Hammond:
> The second is the ability to pay bills from more than one source. Example I purchase an oscilloscope and pay for it with a cash incentive from the company and a bank transfer for the rest. My solution at the present is not pretty, nor helpful if I look at it next year.

Then it's time to claim your easter egg ;-):
Edit->Peeferences->Register Defaults,
select Default Style: "Auto-Split ledger" or "Transaction Journal"

More details in
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/set-prefs.html#prefs-reg-def

Then you can easily enter the differnt amounts.

Regards
Frank

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Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:44:36 +1000
From: flywire <flywire0 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [GNC] Request for two new features in GnuCash
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More cat skinning:

>* the ability to have two separate (at least) GnuCash file systems:
*

In Windows (or probably any GUI) double-click file in data folder and it
will use file association to open the file (in GnuCash).

Alternatively, for each file: right-click file, create a shortcut, drag
shortcut to desktop. Same as above from desktop.

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 06:28:50 -0500
From: Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com>
To: Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com>
Cc: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
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On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 21:25 Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:37 AM
> To: Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com>
> Cc: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 08:51 Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ..,
>
> Can you copy the text out of the pdf statement?
>
>
>
> Getting "organized" text programmatically out of PDF is a giant pain. My current approach is almost completely programmatic. BTW, Raku is the "sister" language of Perl, and it is a "scripting" language.
>
>
>
> Raku can also use Perl modules so I can use Finance::Quote with it if need be. But, until I can get the bank data working, I won't be needing it.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Chris.
>
>
>
> -Tom
>
>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
>
> I was actually suggesting you just highlight the transactions in the pdf statement and copy/paste them into a
>
> spreadsheet or text file before using a scripting language to reformat them but if you can programmatically
> extract the text that would be better long term.

But I did see Peter West's warning about checking results
carefully--it's not always the expected result. Although I hope the
products from the same source are consistent enough to make it
reasonably fool proof. (See my comments below.)

> I notice with my PDF statement that (free) Adobe Acrobat DC no longer allows me to select text (as they want me to pay for a fancy tool - BOO) but if you send the pdf to Edge or Chrome you can select just the transaction text.

Yes, I now see my "PDF COmplete" on Windows can do that--I never
thought of doing that until now.

> Thanks for the info re Raku.

You're welcome! I'm always happy for programmers to learn about Raku

> Finance::Quote is just for getting stock prices from websites (usually) so not useful for this task.

Right, but good to know for later.

> Are you sure you cannot export transactions from your bank? All mine do although sometimes it is hard to find.

Yes, and I agree it's sometimes hard to find. Yesterday I did find one
bank (the bank I'm leaving) does have two choices of download for the
credit card: CSV and OFX. That is very helpful for working on a
transformation algorithm. I did look at the PDF to text transformation
on one of the new bank's statements (definitely nothing but PDFs) and
it looks surprisingly usable, so that's exciting.

I was too hasty in my outright condemnation of PDF to text because I
had worked on a project with a PDF expert to generate PDF as a native
file and saw how easy it is to get things out of place. I usually
create beautiful, and accurate, PDFs by writing the PostScript code
and relying on Ghostscript's ps2pdf converter. Thus going backwards in
the workflow is a little different for my longtime mindset.

Best regards,

-Tom

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Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 11:57:10 +0100
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On 06 August 2022 at 19:48, James Baxter said:

>  I am James Baxter email kangaroo52 at yahoo.comas i found this next part and
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>  place that code into this linux or where it is design to go.

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 16:12:54 +0300
From: "David T." <sunfish62 at yahoo.com>
To: gnucash-user at gnucash.org, Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com>,
	Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
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I can't imagine having so many transactions that the time it took to program the process would in the end save me time in doing the accounting. 

My method for processing pdf statements is to open the pdf statement in one window and enter my transactions in GnuCash in another-- the old fashioned way: by keying them in. This is remarkably quick in most cases, due to autofill-- and it gives me a sanity check on the data that's getting input (does that transaction look right?). It works pretty well for me. 

David T.

On August 7, 2022 2:28:50 PM GMT+03:00, Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 21:25 Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:37 AM
>> To: Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
>> Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 08:51 Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ..,
>>
>> Can you copy the text out of the pdf statement?
>>
>>
>>
>> Getting "organized" text programmatically out of PDF is a giant pain. My current approach is almost completely programmatic. BTW, Raku is the "sister" language of Perl, and it is a "scripting" language.
>>
>>
>>
>> Raku can also use Perl modules so I can use Finance::Quote with it if need be. But, until I can get the bank data working, I won't be needing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Chris.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was actually suggesting you just highlight the transactions in the pdf statement and copy/paste them into a
>>
>> spreadsheet or text file before using a scripting language to reformat them but if you can programmatically
>> extract the text that would be better long term.
>
>But I did see Peter West's warning about checking results
>carefully--it's not always the expected result. Although I hope the
>products from the same source are consistent enough to make it
>reasonably fool proof. (See my comments below.)
>
>> I notice with my PDF statement that (free) Adobe Acrobat DC no longer allows me to select text (as they want me to pay for a fancy tool - BOO) but if you send the pdf to Edge or Chrome you can select just the transaction text.
>
>Yes, I now see my "PDF COmplete" on Windows can do that--I never
>thought of doing that until now.
>
>> Thanks for the info re Raku.
>
>You're welcome! I'm always happy for programmers to learn about Raku
>
>> Finance::Quote is just for getting stock prices from websites (usually) so not useful for this task.
>
>Right, but good to know for later.
>
>> Are you sure you cannot export transactions from your bank? All mine do although sometimes it is hard to find.
>
>Yes, and I agree it's sometimes hard to find. Yesterday I did find one
>bank (the bank I'm leaving) does have two choices of download for the
>credit card: CSV and OFX. That is very helpful for working on a
>transformation algorithm. I did look at the PDF to text transformation
>on one of the new bank's statements (definitely nothing but PDFs) and
>it looks surprisingly usable, so that's exciting.
>
>I was too hasty in my outright condemnation of PDF to text because I
>had worked on a project with a PDF expert to generate PDF as a native
>file and saw how easy it is to get things out of place. I usually
>create beautiful, and accurate, PDFs by writing the PostScript code
>and relying on Ghostscript's ps2pdf converter. Thus going backwards in
>the workflow is a little different for my longtime mindset.
>
>Best regards,
>
>-Tom
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Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 09:25:27 -0400
From: Glenn Fowler <gfowler1 at outlook.com>
To: Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com>
Cc: Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com>, GnuCash users group
	<gnucash-user at gnucash.org>
Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
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On Windows I would recommend Ocular which is a PDF viewer and light editor
that you can find in the Windows Store. Ocular allows copying text.

Ocular is open source, ad free, and make by KDE so you won't have to worry
about them taking features away like mentioned with Adobe.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, 7:28 AM Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 21:25 Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > From: Tom Browder <tom.browder at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:37 AM
> > To: Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: gnucash-user at gnucash.org
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Third party OFX/CVS providers
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 08:51 Chris Good <goodchris96 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ..,
> >
> > Can you copy the text out of the pdf statement?
> >
> >
> >
> > Getting "organized" text programmatically out of PDF is a giant pain. My
> current approach is almost completely programmatic. BTW, Raku is the
> "sister" language of Perl, and it is a "scripting" language.
> >
> >
> >
> > Raku can also use Perl modules so I can use Finance::Quote with it if
> need be. But, until I can get the bank data working, I won't be needing it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Chris.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> >
> >
> > I was actually suggesting you just highlight the transactions in the pdf
> statement and copy/paste them into a
> >
> > spreadsheet or text file before using a scripting language to reformat
> them but if you can programmatically
> > extract the text that would be better long term.
>
> But I did see Peter West's warning about checking results
> carefully--it's not always the expected result. Although I hope the
> products from the same source are consistent enough to make it
> reasonably fool proof. (See my comments below.)
>
> > I notice with my PDF statement that (free) Adobe Acrobat DC no longer
> allows me to select text (as they want me to pay for a fancy tool - BOO)
> but if you send the pdf to Edge or Chrome you can select just the
> transaction text.
>
> Yes, I now see my "PDF COmplete" on Windows can do that--I never
> thought of doing that until now.
>
> > Thanks for the info re Raku.
>
> You're welcome! I'm always happy for programmers to learn about Raku
>
> > Finance::Quote is just for getting stock prices from websites (usually)
> so not useful for this task.
>
> Right, but good to know for later.
>
> > Are you sure you cannot export transactions from your bank? All mine do
> although sometimes it is hard to find.
>
> Yes, and I agree it's sometimes hard to find. Yesterday I did find one
> bank (the bank I'm leaving) does have two choices of download for the
> credit card: CSV and OFX. That is very helpful for working on a
> transformation algorithm. I did look at the PDF to text transformation
> on one of the new bank's statements (definitely nothing but PDFs) and
> it looks surprisingly usable, so that's exciting.
>
> I was too hasty in my outright condemnation of PDF to text because I
> had worked on a project with a PDF expert to generate PDF as a native
> file and saw how easy it is to get things out of place. I usually
> create beautiful, and accurate, PDFs by writing the PostScript code
> and relying on Ghostscript's ps2pdf converter. Thus going backwards in
> the workflow is a little different for my longtime mindset.
>
> Best regards,
>
> -Tom
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