Fwd: Wiki Landing Page

doncram doncram at gmail.com
Sat May 27 19:45:45 EDT 2017

I think i did hit "reply-to-all", but I think this still didn't go to
anyone besides David T, so here is my reply again:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: doncram <doncram at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Wiki Landing Page
To: "David T." <sunfish62 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "David T. via gnucash-devel" <gnucash-devel at gnucash.org>

I think the suggested proposed page is good.  I do have a few changes to
the proposed version to suggest, including about clarifying what
documentation is available, and I'd like for you and me and anyone else to
be able to edit, in the Wiki, a proposed new version of the main Wiki page.

It's not clear which exact links you mean where you have written "{link}"
in a few places.  I'd like to be more clear about those, and their
labelling.  Specifically, I would not recommend linking to the
"Documentation" page at the website, which mixes topic of documentation
with support, and which omits some documentation.  I have no idea how to
change the website, but let's try to make the main Wiki page comprehensive
and accurate about the Documentation available.

Note that Documentation available includes:
   Help manual (available within your downloaded GnuCash software, in
whatever version that is)
   Help manual ( http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?doc=help  , with
version not identified )
   Help manual version 2.6 (specifically available somewhere within the
website )
   Help manual version latest version in progress (available within
GnuCash, if you download the working, non-stable version of GnuCash?  Not
available online? Or available somewhere within
http://code.gnucash.org/docs/ ?)
   Tutorial and Concepts Guide (available within your downloaded GnuCash
software, in whatever version that is)
   Tutorial and Concepts Guide ( http://www.gnucash.org/
viewdoc.phtml?doc=guide , with version not identified )
   Tutorial and Concepts Guide version 2.6 (specifically available within
the website, somewhere)
   Tutorial and Concepts Guide latest version in progress (available within
GnuCash, if you download the working, non-stable version of GnuCash?  Not
available online?  Or available somewhere within
http://code.gnucash.org/docs/ ?)
   Glossary, within the Tutorial and Concepts Guide
   Glossary at the Wiki, which states that it may have more (
http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Glossary )
   FAQ at the Wiki
   Gnucash-user email list archive by month from July 2000 (
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/ )
   Gnucash-user search interface (available where?)
Note "Support" available is different, and includes the email lists and IRC

Could someone please create a Wiki subpage at Talk:GnuCash/sandbox (i.e.
http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Talk:GnuCash/sandbox) where David T. and I and
anyone else could edit the proposal?  I suggest calling it "sandbox" in
parallel to how, in Wikipedia, development of revisions to protected
templates is done.  When we have a complete version there, fully functional
with all links and so on, and have reached some consensus about it being
ready (via discussion at Talk:GnuCash and/or here in gnucash-devel), then
it will be easy for an administrator to copy it over to the main page.

Developing a proposed new version within the Wiki is consistent with the
plan envisaged at the Talk page of the main page, which states:
Please add your suggested changes here and we will commit them as soon as
possible (usually in less than a few hours).--Cstim
<http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/User:Cstim> 04:53, 27 January 2006 (EST)

But I think it is helpful to have a complete new version in a Wiki page,
ready to be copied over, rather than requesting changes piecemeal on the
Talk page or on the gnucash-devel email list.  It is too cumbersome to
request them that way, and requested change might not work, because it
hasn't been demonstrated in a sandbox.  I would develop the sandbox if
someone would please create a sandbox page. :)

cheers, Don

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 2:30 AM, David T. via gnucash-devel <
gnucash-devel at gnucash.org> wrote:

> I would like to propose substantial changes to the Wiki landing page (
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash <https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki
> /GnuCash>), a page I can’t edit. I apologize in advance for the length
> and complexity of this email, but that’s the price to pay for control.
> For ease of analysis, I have put
> {Begin}--------------- and
> {END}-------------------
> around the proposed wiki text. I should also note that there are many
> minor edits in my texts, beyond the higher-level reorganization. Finally, I
> include comments about changes in a section immediately after that section.
> Now, on to the edits!
> First off, the complexity of the page recommends an opening table of
> contents with the following (linked) top level headings:
> 1) Available Documentation
> 1.x) Wiki Translation
> 2) Installation
> 3) Support Options
> 4) Developing for GnuCash
> This table of contents should include secondary headings as appropriate.
> Note that I propose demoting the Wiki Translation section as a subsection
> of Available Documentation, since the wikis are, after all, a part of the
> documentation. I wonder whether there is a better way to handle this,
> though. I recognize that it is important to get speakers of other languages
> to their native language sites, but I wonder if there is a way to mimic
> what www.gnucash.org does, with language links at the top?
> Additionally, I recommend promoting Installation to a primary level since
> this is a subject that comes up regularly, and this will bring this
> always-contentious issue into more prominence.
> Stylistically overall, the page needs bullet entries to begin with a name
> of the entity being described. For example, under Wiki Translation, the
> bullets should begin with “German Language Wiki,” “Spanish Language Wiki,”
> and “Portugese Language Wiki.” This convention should be applied
> consistently in each section, and will allow the table of contents to make
> sense.
> Under Available Documentation, I propose the following:
> {BEGIN}-------------------------------------
> 1. Available Documentation
> 1.1 Official GnuCash Documentation. GnuCash offers two major pieces of
> documentation:
>         • The Help Manual {linked} - a quick reference manual for specific
> tasks, and
>         • The Tutorial and Concepts Guide {link} - an in-depth guide to
> the concepts. It is highly recommended to read at least the first chapters
> of the guide.
>         For the latest documentation (i.e., unstable releases of the
> documentation), or to get documentation for other languages or earlier
> releases, see the Documentation page on the GnuCash.org website {link}.
> 1.2 GnuCash Wikis
>         (Parts of) this wiki have been translated into other languages or
> contain information for one specific language only.
>         • The German Wiki {link} de/GnuCash Deutsche Wiki-Seiten, im
> Entstehen.
>         • The Spanish Wiki {link} es/GnuCash Wiki español.
>         • The Portugese Wiki {link} pt/GnuCash Sítio Wiki em Português, em
> andamento.
> 1.3 The GnuCash FAQ {link} contains the collection of frequently asked
> questions about GnuCash, including administration, accounting, and glossary
> questions.
> 1.4 Using GnuCash collects real life experiences using GnuCash. You may
> find (user) solutions here that are not covered by the documentation.
> 1.5 The Wiki Glossary explains some often used terms, with additional
> terms useful for developers, documentation writers, and translators.
> 1.6 More Specific Topics [NOTE: I think this needs re-thinking generally;
> I believe these pages should be linked in elsewhere altogether. In the
> interest of moving the discussion along, I have kept them here, but see
> below]
>         • "Normal” Usage
>                 • Keyboard Shortcuts
>                 • Using Scheduled Transactions
>                 • Online Banking: Setting up OFXDirectConnect in GnuCash 2
> and AqBanking (FinTS/HBCI)
>                 • Trading Accounts (New since 2.3.8/2.4.0)
>         • Scripting and Programming
>                 • How to create some Custom Reports
>                 • Python Bindings
>                 • Notes about the C API
>                 • The GnuCash API
>         • Error Seaching
>                 • Logging messages and filtering detail.
>                 • Getting a Stack Trace.
> 1.7 External Documentation Resources
>         • GnuCash Quick Start Guide For Business Users.
>         • Also, business users might be interested in a book by PacktPub,
> UK: GnuCash 2.4 Small Business Accounting, by Ashok Ramachandran.
>         • List to external international documentation and a somewhat
> outdated list of available online documentation.
> {END}----------------------------------
> I recommend that the section currently in Documentation called “Some more
> specific topics:” should be moved off this page altogether.
> The “Normal” Usage and Scripting and Programming sections could be moved
> to the Using GnuCash page, and the Error Searching section should be moved
> below to the Support Options section, or to the page on filing a bug.
> Moving on, Installation should similarly be modified:
> {BEGIN}----------------------------------
> 2. Installation
> Installation instructions for the different operating systems under which
> GnuCash operates are included below.
> 2.1 Linux
>         • Debian, Debian packages
>         • Gentoo
>         • Mandriva
>         • RedHat: FC5, RHEL4, CentOS4.3, RHEL5 / SL5.
>         • SuSE
>         • Slackware
>         • Ubuntu
> 2.2 Windows
>         • GnuCash runs on Windows. Download the binary package from
> sourceforge.net.
> 2.3 Mac OS X
>         • GnuCash runs on Mac OS X. Download the binary package from
> sourceforge.net.
>         • For compiling GnuCash on Mac OS X, see MacOSXInstallation and
> specific MacOSX/Quartz tips.
> 2.4 Other Operating Systems
>         • FreeBSD
>         • Solaris
> {END}----------------------------------
> NextSupport Options modifications:
> {BEGIN}----------------------------------
> 3) Support Options
> If you read the relevant parts of the pages above and are still stuck with
> a problem or only wish to give some feedback, you can contact us in several
> ways.
> 3.1 Current discussion
>         • Mailing Lists. Most users will probably contact the GnuCash user
> community through the appropriate language user mailing list (gnucash-user,
> gnucash-de, gnucash-nl, gnucash-it, gnucash-es, gnucash-fr, gnucash-br).
>         Additional information can be found at
> wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists.
>         • IRC Chat. Some users may wish to use IRC chat, usually in
> english, as the quickest way to get answers.
> 3.2 External support pages
> These external support sites have subsections related to Gnucash. They are
> not maintained by the gnucash team, so there is no guarantee on the
> correctness of the information you will find here.
>         • Stack Exchange. Includes a forum on money with "gnucash" tagged
> questions.
> 3.3 Feature requests and bug tracking
>         • Bugzilla. GnuCash's bug database for error reports and
> enhancement requests.
>         • Uservoice Forum. For more general feature requests.
> 3.4 Third party tools
> Several users have published tools to work with Gnucash.
> {END}----------------------------------
> Note that “Third Party Tools” isn’t about support, but I can’t figure out
> where it would fit on this page. Should there be a main section for “Other
> Resources”?
> Finally, Developing for GnuCash:
> {BEGIN}----------------------------------
> 4) Developing for GnuCash
> You may also want to check out http://www.gnucash.org/ for the latest
> news.
> This part of the wiki is intended to become the main repository of GnuCash
> developer documentation. Some formerly static pages have been moved here
> from the Website http://www.gnucash.org, but the move is not yet
> complete. Some remaining static pages may be out of date. Wherever a wiki
> article disagrees with a static web page on the Website, the wiki article
> here is more likely to be correct.
> 4.1 Getting involved in the project
> The GnuCash Project is a volunteer-driven organization. We need your help
> to survive and grow, to help others and to help the Project.
> There are many ways to contribute your knowledge and experience.
> Contributing to GnuCash identifies a number of ways to get involved. Below
> are general ways.
> 4.2 Mailing Lists
> Subscribing to the mailing lists, and asking and answering questions
> there, is an excellent way to begin contributing the the success of
> GnuCash. See the Mailing lists wiki page for more.
> 4.3 Filing Bugs and Enhancement Requests
> Improvements and fixes can be submitted using the Bugzilla bug tracker;
> more general suggestions can be made via the uservoice pages. See {link}
> for more.
> 4.4 Developing the Documentation
>         • Documentation Update Instructions. This page describes the
> process to change both the GnuCash Tutorial and Concepts Guide and the Help
> Manual.
>         • Doxygen Documentation. The Doxygen source documentation system
> and its wiki page.
> 4.5 Translating the Documentation
>         • Translations gives an overview of this process, but please keep
> an eye on the Translation Status.
> 4.6 Developing the Application Code
> 4.6.1 Policy
>         • Our Development Process
>         • Coding Standards
>         • Testing
> 4.6.2 Procedures
>         • Git access
>         • Building GnuCash from source code.
>         • Notes about the Graphical User Interface aka GUI
>         • Some notes about the GnuCash XML format for the XML Backend.
>         • The schema for the SQL Backend.
> 4.6.3 Other Development Notes
>         • How to improve or add new Account Hierarchy Templates.
>         • Reminders for the Project Administration
>         • Special events
>                 • There was a Bounty Program in June / July 2013
>                 • GSoC Google Summer of Code
> 4.6.4 Future developments
>         • Our Release Schedule
>         • Future Roadmap
>         • A general edited list of requested enhancements: WishList
>         • Particular enhancements:
>                 • Concept Guide
>                 • Budgets
>                 • Credit Notes
>         • Old discussions about enhancement requests that have been
> implemented.
>                 • Upgrade from 1.8.9 to 1.8.10 and HBCI online banking
> support
>         • Discussion about the License
> {END}----------------------------------
> Under Future Developments, I think that the Particular Enhancements and
> Old Discussions could be eliminated. Given that the WishList page says that
> it is irrelevant, perhaps it should go too (not to mention the entire page).
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