Fedora and computing in general.

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:18:26 -0400 Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8 at verizon.net> wrote:

> 
> John Boyle wrote:
> 
> > To Chris Negus: Today, I got my Linux computer back from the shop where 
> > I usually go when all the alleged updates show up that include a kernal 
> > change! For Some reason RedHat and Fedora cannot make the kernal changes 
> > user friendly and, unless you are a computer guru and work with the 
> > technical side on a regular basis, the changes CANNOT be installed 
> > without screwing up your computer!!!!!
> 
> I find this incredible. I have been using Red Hat Linux since it was 5.0,
> including 5.2, 6.0, 6.2, and 7.3. I am currently running Red Hat Enterprise
> Linux 5. I ran Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 for about three years before that.
> I have usually had two machines at a time, and for about a year I had three
> machines running at once. These are usually running 24/7.
> 
> I have never had any problems with kernel updates and kernel changes except
> once long ago when RHEL3 first came out, and one of the RPMs had a
> permission bug where it gave some critical file the wrong permissions so I
> could not even log in. But since I could not log in, it was difficult to
> figure out what the file even was. I simply restored everything from that
> morning's backup tape and figured out what the bad file permissions were. By
> then, a matter of a few hours, Red Hat already had the update out to fix that.

The only time I dealt with Fedora Core it was sometime of a 'disaster'
-- *I* won't touch Fedora Core and *I* am a complete Linux geek.  Fedora
Core is counter indicated for a newbie, for end users in general, and
for any sort of production use.  After RH9 'died' we went with WBL 3.0
at UMass and when I finally moved on from RH 7.3, I went to CentOS 4.3
(now at CentOS 4.6).

> 
> > I am talking as a user, not as a 
> > technician nor a programmer, which I am NEITHER! It is absolutely NO 
> > wonder why people shy away from Linux, entirely, with all the constant 
> > "update and upgrade" garbage that goes on, and yet the idiots who 
> > program the code CANNOT and WILL NOT understand that very fact!
> 
> What fact? At least in Linux, if there is a bug they fix it right away, and
> do not wait until they have one huge update a month or more later. And the
> updates are not that frequent. With the RHEL distros, after the first month
> or so, the updates are usually only every few weeks, and kernel updates are
> even less frequent.
> 
> > It is 
> > very clear to me that they are NOT interested in making Linux truly user 
> > friendly, whatsoever! I have tried SuSe before this and found it to be 
> > very user unfriendly, with no relief in sight! AND I am afraid that 
> > Fedora/Redhat is not that much better! You just cannot go on changing 
> > versions which DO NOT improve what was already out
> 
> Red Hat change their RHEL distributions only about once every year and a
> half, and since they support any given version for 7 years, you do not have
> to change versions unless you want the new features. If I thought you were
> serious, I would recommend you get a subscription to the latest release of
> Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

And there are *free* GPL versions of RHEL: CentOS and WBL.  Both very
stable and easy to deal with.

> 
> > and keep a straight 
> > face when asked by a Windows user, WHY BOTHER? Linux WILL NEVER overcome 
> > Windows until it gets its act together and can field a product that can 
> > STAND on its own feet for a longer period than 6 months!  UNTIL LINUX OF 
> > ANY VERSION CAN FIELD A PRODUCT THAT IS TRULY USER FRIENDLY AND THAT CAN 
> > LAST LONGER THAN 12 MONTHS BETWEEN CHANGES IT WILL NEVER BE AS 
> > WIDESPREAD AS WINDOWS NOR AS ACCEPTED EITHER!
> 
> RHEL distributions go 84 months with support. Can Windows claim the same?
> 
> > AND, YES, I AM YELLING, 
> > BECAUSE I AM TIRED OF ALL THE SHENANIGANS THAT GO ON AND I AM SURE LINUS 
> > THORVALD NEVER MEANT FOR THIS GARBAGE TO HAPPEN! >:o
> 
> You should be careful of all those capital letters like that. There are some
> people who would infer from that that you are a troll.
> 

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